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My spironolactone and Retin- A micro log

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What type of exercize regimen do you follow?

I gained 30 pounds in ONE year. I went from 145 to 175 and I'm 5'9''. After one month of being on the meds, I lost 7 pounds. After 2 months I was at 165 and I haven't been able to go lower.

I seriously need help losing weight!!!

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What type of exercize regimen do you follow?

I will tell you straight out- the main thing is diet, not exercise. When losing weight, about 75 % is what you eat. To maintain weight, however, it is 25%. I have read a lot about nutrition. check out this book:

meal Patterning

by Chris Johnson

Super healthy, holistic approach. It really helped me educate myself. It also gives exercises and training logs in the back of the book. I love it! oh, and some excellent recipes.

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Very interesting. I will check out the book.

I would think that it would be backwards. That you would need to workout to lose weight and you maintain it with diet, but let's see what the book says.

I'll let you know what I think.

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Very interesting. I will check out the book.

I would think that it would be backwards. That you would need to workout to lose weight and you maintain it with diet, but let's see what the book says.

I'll let you know what I think.

Yeah, the book says eating is most important in losing weight. That said, obviously the combination of the two is most desirable. Please let me know what you think- this book has been such a help in educating me and assisting with the weight loss.

Month 9

A quick update here. My skin is looking very good. The endocrinologist said it looked great and I am in good shape all round, including my weight. Seems like everything is under control. She renewed my prescription for a year and a half and said everything seems to be working and my GP can take care of everything now. If my condition changes, however, I am to see a specialist again. Don't have to see a doctor till next fall! Anyways, I am very pleased. I also found out she is the president of the US endocrinology association this year and I also knew she was a lead researcher in PCOS so I highly trust her opinion.

THAT SAID, I went to visit my friend over the Christmas holidays and we pigged out like nothing else while there. My diet consisted of a lot of red meat, gravy, potatoes (he's irish), along with chocolate bars and Pringles. Mmmmm, I love Pringles. Oooh and dairy. Also, since we were travelling a bit, my routine was completely out of wack. I missed some of the evening pills (maybe 6 in 2.5 weeks). Also, the last week there was the week before I got my period. Anyways, I broke out quite a bit on my right cheek.... Almost like last April- the time that left me with my current red marks and some small scars.... Except this time it wasn't as red. My skin was really bumpy and I could see the spots. I freaked out and put retin-A when I got home three nights in a row. After a few days of flaking and my skin drying up, everything looks pretty good underneath- so I think the ram really helped clear what was there and ensured there was no scarring. That said, I have two very small bright red dots on my cheek (not that noticeable, just to me) that weren't there before. Let's hope they disappear quickly.

I just wanted to share with everyone the importance of taking the pills regualrly even when your routine is off. Also, I really do think food has a lot to do with it as well because this happened to a lesser extent in november when he came over and we pigged out again but I was taking my pills regularly. IT could also be dairy since both times I had some and i don't usually. Or pre-menstrual flair. I am not sure what to allot the break out to, but it showed me the importance of staying healthy- eating right and taking my pills. Anyways, I hope you guys can learn from my experience.

hope everyone is doing well!

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14 months

IT has been a while since I've posted. Things are really good here. I must say though that the food I eat REALLY impacts my acne. So I really must avoid dairy. That is my number 1 lesson here. If I stay away and keep taking my pills, then my skin is perfect. It is so great to be clear!!!! And the weight is still coming off.... Woo hoo!!

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I am so pleased to see that you have updated. I read some of your log just two days ago and figured you were long gone. Thanks for visiting and posting again. I just started taking spiro 100mg. Any advice that you have or your doc has given you? How long before you acheived acne free status? I feel kind of lost right now taking this drug. I don't know what to think. :(

Any feedback would be helpful right now. Thanks

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Hello Eloise,

Thanks for reading my log! I think that the log really describes how things changed and my experience and state of mind, etc.... I started with 100mg at first too. I remember that oil reduction was after 5 days or so but really much so after 2 weeks. Then there was a gradual decline in breakouts. I was pretty happy with the progress. Then I was continuing to break out and I got a couple really big ones (which I now have scarring from). I went to my endocrinologist who confirmed I had PCOS. Since I was still breaking out some, she bumped my dose to 200 mg. the first couple of weeks on that, there was little change, but once again, it was very gradual. And then after about 5 months, I was prtty much zit free! Now, I don't have any oil, no breakouts, and very clear skin. The only thing is, as my posts show, dairy products cause me to break out. Perhaps also, foods that are very sugary (high glycemic)- I haven't figured that one out. So, when I am on vacation and do not have a proper eating routine, I often get small breakouts. They aren't huge, but my skin gets bumpy.... So I limit my dairy to only organic, but mostly have none at all- use soy, goats cheese, etc... This has made a huge difference. My biggest adivce is to be patient... It is a gradual process and it won't happen over night, unfortunately. On the plus, it has proven to be amazing for me and lasting. Also, if you are still breaking out signficantly after a few months, go and ask your doc/derm/endo about increasing the dose- say you have reduction in oil and breakouts, but still not getting results you are looking for and have heard some people only get results on higher doses... Something like that. Also, I will let you know that retin-A micro really helps with my existing breakouts, so that is encouraging and a good fix while your body adjusts to the spiro. Ummm... I think that is it. Be sure to drink a lot of water (I noticed right away how thirsty I was) b/c it is a dieuretic. And also, I avoid bananas b/c of the potassium. As a side note, I noticed I get very tired on this medication. Also, Yasmin really worked for me as a BCP- been on others and they did not agree with me. It is also good for acne b/c it has a bit of spiro in it, as I am sure you know. If you have any other questions, let me know.

Hang in there!!!

p.s. I noticed you used Clinque products- I love them! They are so gentle on my skin and they work. They are expensive, but they last long and are of good quality.

Does anyone know why it says my log has "moved" on the front page there? Weird....

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November 15, 2006

Just wanted to give a brief update. Things are still really good over here- very clear and scars may be fading. Rarely get any breakouts and if I do, it is usually only a small one here or there which isn't noticeable and which disappears in a day or two. I am going to try to reduce my dosage to 100-150 mg... Am alternating days I take one pill vs two to do this. No breakouts to report with lower dosage, but maybe more small pimples, which still aren't noticeable. I am going to go to the doctor to see what she thinks about this and get some 75 mg tablets to take day and night. I am also trying to take my pills in the evening earlier (around 5 p.m.) b/c I hate waking up in the middle of the night having to pee. That's about all I have to report! Hope everyone is well!

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this log is very interesting lolo, your case history seems to be just like mine! except i havent found a dermatologist who would bother with me enough to perscribe me any of that stuff you had yet... :/

i'll look around to see if these medicines are available where I live at all....

retin-A and spiro - are they both just perscription drugs?

can anyone tell me if you can take supplements ith spirp like multi vit/min & EFA's

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I'm very glad to see that you are still posting and giving a positive outcome to your acne. As for me, I still have persistant BAD acne.

I stopped taking Accutane in April 2006 and was clear all through out the summer. After the summer I started getting small breakouts here and there and for about a month now, I've been breaking out really bad in my T-zone. My forehead and hairline has gotten way out of control and I have no clue what to do. I do not want to get back on Accutane because it really made my bones ache. I've been working out on a regular basis and have lost 30 pounds since the beginning of the year and I can't see myself not working out. I know if I start Accutane again, I won't want to work out because of the aches. I started taking Yasmin last month and I broke out SOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. I couldn't believe how bad my face got. I'm on my second month now and I sure do hope that now my body gets used to the hormones in Yasmin. I also stopped taking Metformin and Spiro so I'm thinking about going to the doctor and getting this prescriptions all over again. I recently stopped drinking milk after hearing all the issues with hormones in milk and how it's linked to acne in teens and people with acne problems.

My scarring is getting worse and worse and I really frustrated. I just wish this would go away. I've finally lost the weight that I wanted to but this stupid acne makes my confidence levels go in the dumpster. I'm pulling myself out my friends lives because they always want to go out and I don't because I'm so self concious. I did a mild chemical peel on my face last week and I can see some of my old blemish marks fading, so I'm going to continue doing chemical peels. I'm going to have to start watching everything I eat because in the week I've stopped drinking milk and coffee (caffeine is also known to trigger acne), my acne is becoming milder. I bought a new skin care regimine for Arbone and an 8% AHA facial lotion from Paula's Choice skin care line so I'm hoping this combination along with the chemical peels help my acne and scarring.

Any more suggestions from people?

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Hi,

Yes you can definitely take multi vitamins and spiro- may want to check there isn't a lot of potassium in them though. As for Mirahdez, hang in there. have you tried spiro? lots of times if accutane doesn't work, they put you on spiro if your acne is deemed to be hormonal. I think eating right can have an important role in reducing breakouts and yes, some people (like me) break out a lot from milk. I think it is the hormones they add in North America b/c I am in Europe now and it isn't near as bad. Exercising is also important- I think living a healhty lifestyle is important anyways. Besides that, I don't have too much to offer. Talk to your doc and see if your acne may be hormonal- if you have PCOS (like me) it almost certainly is. If that's the case, spiro may help. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Feb 26, 2007

Just a quick update. I have been taking a lower dose for the last two months- now at 100mg per day, rather than 200mg. And everything is great!! Get the odd small zit, but in general, very clear. Am quite happy. I also have to go to the washroom less (since spiro is a dieuretic) so am sleeping much better these days! I also feel better that I am not as medicated- if you can avoid medication, I think one should... Expecially, since I heard that tests whowed spiro given to rats resluted in them getting cancer. So, I'm sceptical of long term treatment. We will see how this works for a bit and who knows, maybe I'll lower it further. Getting my kidneys checked out in a couple weeks. So hopefully, that's alright. That's it for now. I hope everyone is doing well.

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November 16, 2007

Just wanted to give an update. Kidneys are still fine after tests earlier this year. Doctor recommended I lower my dose again, so I am now only taking 25 mg twice a day- morning and night, as well as the Yasmin (another 25 mg). I get more occasional zits now, though they aren't near as big as before and they don't leave scarring now- they are more just small occasional white, pale bumps here and there, but they aren't very noticeable and I think it's worth it for less medication!! I keep using retin-a as well, for the red spots (which are still there, but fading very very slowly) and for the new zits. I find that I break out a bit more around my period (more noticeable), so I have taken 75-100mg each day about a week before it's meant to come. I read in some threads that some women only take spiro 10 days before their period, so that seemed like a good solution (I still have prescription for 100 mg a day, so I'm just experimenting on my own!).

Also, I liked what my doctor here in Europe said- she said in the US they tend to overmedicate. While I am happy I got great treatment there in the US, and don't completely agree with her (I am happy I got medication and someone took me seriously!), she made a good point- getting occasional zits IS normal. Look at girls with nice skin or who don't have acne- they are prone to get a few small zits a month, if not a week. So this is acceptable. I'm still happy with the level I'm at. And I doubt I will try to reduce it anymore as I think less med would cause too many breakouts, which I would not be comfortable with.

That's it for now! Thanks for reading!

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September 16, 2008

My skin is still perfect! Looking good! It's been over 3 years now, wow. Just thought I'd post to let everyone know that spiro really really worked for me. I am down to 25 mg a day, from 200 mg years ago. Wow! I get the very odd small zit, just like anyone else, but I'm loving this med.

I think the retin a does help with blackheads and for drying out new zits quickly.

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September 16, 2008

My skin is still perfect! Looking good! It's been over 3 years now, wow. Just thought I'd post to let everyone know that spiro really really worked for me. I am down to 25 mg a day, from 200 mg years ago. Wow! I get the very odd small zit, just like anyone else, but I'm loving this med.

I think the retin a does help with blackheads and for drying out new zits quickly.

thank you SO MUCH for comign back to share

that really helps a lot

a question

what do you think your skin would be liek with jsut the yasmin and no spiro?

and how often do you retin-a?

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also, you said youre teeth turned green - did they go back once you quit?

thanks

Hi, Yeah, my teeth turned green when I was on antibiotics (mincocyline). ugh. It is apparently extremely rare in adults, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. I went to the dentist and she scrubbed all the green stuff off (I have no idea what is was) pretty easily, so no don't have green teeth anymore :)

Hmmm...., I take my spiro really irregularly nowadays and my skin still looks great. By irregularly, I mean every 2 or 3 days, and now I only take 25 mg at a time. I usually take it more the days leading up to my period though. I think the spiro in my system just kinda helps regulate things and I like that I have it on hand just in case my hormones ever go out of wack again cause it worked so well. Honestly though, I think that without it and just Yasmin, my skin would look good anyways (maybe the more frequent odd zit, but that's it). Since I reduced my amount from 200mg a day, I've noticed the more frequent odd zit, but it goes away right away, and they don't scar. Yasmin has a bit of spiro in it as well, so if you don't need that much, it might do the trick. I should also mention that I strongly believe that a healthy lifestyle and diet, as well as maintaining a healthy weight (which isn't easy with PCOS!) really has contributed to keeping my acne away, so if you have or think you might have hormonal acne, don't underestimate the effect of a healthy lifestyle on controlling your acne (though clearly not on its own). Hope this helps!!

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my gyno refused to prescribe spiro for me.. she's just very much against it and says that it has a TON of side-effects being that it's main use is for the heart and not for acne. I was really upset about it. Instead she just gave me yasmine BC and said that should work just as well.

Word of advice, go to somebody who will get you what you want. I went through the *free* doctor and two nurse practitioners at school, some ancient quack derm out in BFE that told me how to "wash my face" (I was PISSED so he didn't charge me), another derm out in the city who will only do topicals and antibiotics, *THEN* I found my man practicing in my home town in the city.

Seriously, it SUCKS SUCKS SUUUUUUCKS that people don't want to actually help and they give you this speil about how they "really want to help you", obviously not. Honestly, find somebody else that will say "yes" because you will feel like crap until you at least try what *you* think will work.

They don't realize that just because they have an RX pad doesn't mean they know what's best for you. They all "practice", none of them know CRAP about anything related to *your* face.

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also, you said youre teeth turned green - did they go back once you quit?

thanks

Hi, Yeah, my teeth turned green when I was on antibiotics (mincocyline). ugh. It is apparently extremely rare in adults, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. I went to the dentist and she scrubbed all the green stuff off (I have no idea what is was) pretty easily, so no don't have green teeth anymore :)

Hmmm...., I take my spiro really irregularly nowadays and my skin still looks great. By irregularly, I mean every 2 or 3 days, and now I only take 25 mg at a time. I usually take it more the days leading up to my period though. I think the spiro in my system just kinda helps regulate things and I like that I have it on hand just in case my hormones ever go out of wack again cause it worked so well. Honestly though, I think that without it and just Yasmin, my skin would look good anyways (maybe the more frequent odd zit, but that's it). Since I reduced my amount from 200mg a day, I've noticed the more frequent odd zit, but it goes away right away, and they don't scar. Yasmin has a bit of spiro in it as well, so if you don't need that much, it might do the trick. I should also mention that I strongly believe that a healthy lifestyle and diet, as well as maintaining a healthy weight (which isn't easy with PCOS!) really has contributed to keeping my acne away, so if you have or think you might have hormonal acne, don't underestimate the effect of a healthy lifestyle on controlling your acne (though clearly not on its own). Hope this helps!!

Mino turned my teeth grey and the derm argued with me that if it was from the mino that it would be permanent, but I got the dentist to remove the stains. That would have been useful information *before* the fact. Excessive use of antibiotics is never a great idea anyways and can screw you up internally.

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Acne is gone!! No problemos at all. Taking practically zero spiro now and it's great. Maybe i've gained a bit of weight since then (or perhaps just that I'm not exercising as much), but I think that's small price to pay to get off meds. Spiro saved me though!!

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June 24, 2010

I had a few breakouts in the last year, so returned to take my spiro regularly. It wasn't like the zits covered my face or anything- it's just that I would get a large one (the painful, under the skin kind) now and again and it wouldn't go away for some time and leaves red marks (which still aren't gone after about 7 months though has faded). It could have been spurred by an inactive lifestyle of late and weight gain, which isn't good for anyone with PCOS. I decided to return to taking spiro regularly now, so I'm doing 50 mg a day (25 mg twice a day). Since I have been regular on it again (about two months now), I have had no breakouts and my skin is still great. My GP was fine prescribing this amount to me as it isn't all that high of a dose, and it is still working great.

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May 2011

Just thought I'd update- been almost a year!. Things same as then- a few zits now and again with very low dose of spiro, but all round I'm pretty happy with my skin!

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