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Hello,

Here are some pics of my left cheek. Sorry for the bad quality. I have a consultation at a clinic tomorrow to see what to do about these. I think these are ice pics or boxcar scars. Most of what you see is hyperpigmentation I expect to go away, but close to my mouth there is a cluster of indented scars.

I am asian. Can you tell me what you think will be best to improve these? From what I read, maybe chemical peels?

I am so depressed over these. It is almost all I think about. I want to go out of my house without makeup one day, and it feels like that can never happen again.

any help would be appreciated...I will also post my right side...

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Hi again,

Here are some pics of my right side. Again, mostly red that should go away (soon I hope). I think these are rolling scars...

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Can someone...anyone...please respond to my post? I am feeling really low and want to know what I can do. I am scared of doctors and scared of making my skin worse...if you have any advice at all I'd be very grateful...

thanks

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From what I can see, you have some slight scarring. I also have scars in those places, although my acne is still active in those areas so I can't see the full extent yet. I agree, scars suck, but don't let them get you down - for one thing, people without bad skin won't notice them, and also you can cover it up with makeup.

Sorry, I don't know about scars, somebody from the scars forum might respond tomorrow or later on with some advice. How did your consultation go?

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Well the closeups are too blurry to be able to really tell. But they do look very shallow and mild. Are you more concerned about the red marks or the actual scars? I have just about the same type of skin as you and went in for a consultation and they wouldnt even consider anything invasive. They recommended microdermabrasion and/or chemical peels and both are extremely expensive (if you get them done at the derm) for the amount of improvement (if any) they'll give you.

But your skin tone looks nice and even except for a few marks, I wouldn't let it bother you so much even though I know it's easier said than done. The only thing i'm able to afford for my scars is tca and it's worked great.

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hi verysadgirl,

i'm also asian and have the same type of scarring as you do (i think! i can't tell because your pics are blurry... do you maybe have a macro mode on your camera so we can see more detail?)

what has really helped me is a series of lactic acid peels done by an aesthetician. peels made by physician's choice of arizona have done *wonders* for my acne, redness, hyperpigmentation, skin tone/texture, and scars. some fo the peels are specially formulated for asian skin too! maybe with a little research, you can find a professional in your area that will perform PCA peels for you?

i know what makes these peels so good for asian skin is that they're mostly lactic acid - sometimes a very low percentage of TCA, there's one pretty strong salicylic acid one that i love too - so maybe if you can't find someone who does PCA peels, you'll certainly be able to find someone who will do lactic acid and salicylic acid peels for you. you can even do it yourself to save tons of $!

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hi verysadgirl,

i'm also asian and have the same type of scarring as you do (i think! i can't tell because your pics are blurry... do you maybe have a macro mode on your camera so we can see more detail?)

what has really helped me is a series of lactic acid peels done by an aesthetician. peels made by physician's choice of arizona have done *wonders* for my acne, redness, hyperpigmentation, skin tone/texture, and scars. some fo the peels are specially formulated for asian skin too! maybe with a little research, you can find a professional in your area that will perform PCA peels for you?

i know what makes these peels so good for asian skin is that they're mostly lactic acid - sometimes a very low percentage of TCA, there's one pretty strong salicylic acid one that i love too - so maybe if you can't find someone who does PCA peels, you'll certainly be able to find someone who will do lactic acid and salicylic acid peels for you. you can even do it yourself to save tons of $!

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From what I can see, you have some slight scarring. I also have scars in those places, although my acne is still active in those areas so I can't see the full extent yet. I agree, scars suck, but don't let them get you down - for one thing, people without bad skin won't notice them, and also you can cover it up with makeup.

Sorry, I don't know about scars, somebody from the scars forum might respond tomorrow or later on with some advice. How did your consultation go?

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Well the closeups are too blurry to be able to really tell. But they do look very shallow and mild. Are you more concerned about the red marks or the actual scars? I have just about the same type of skin as you and went in for a consultation and they wouldnt even consider anything invasive. They recommended microdermabrasion and/or chemical peels and both are extremely expensive (if you get them done at the derm) for the amount of improvement (if any) they'll give you.

But your skin tone looks nice and even except for a few marks, I wouldn't let it bother you so much even though I know it's easier said than done. The only thing i'm able to afford for my scars is tca and it's worked great.

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Well I've done a lot of low strength tca peels. Probobly about 20 or more. They didn't really get rid of my scars the way tca cross did. I've only done 50% cross twice and they're at least 70% improved.

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It appears that you took them too close to your camera. Unless your camera has "macro" setting you won't be able to take pics that close. Try backing up from the camera.

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hi pizzacato!

thanks for your response! I will try to take better pics tonight to show you, but I looked at yours and think that we do have similar scars (in your old pics), but the ones on my left cheek indent more. I am really interested in getting results like yours!!! I will look for some info on PCA.

thank you!!!! biggrin.gif

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yes, seriously, don't worry at all! It will be totally okay. It's very easy to "fix". smile.gif

I used to be majorly embarrassed and COMPLETELY disgusted by my own skin. My skin actually used to look much, much worse before I started getting the PCA peels about a year ago.

BUT one thing you NEED to realize that we actually have it pretty lucky and that even though it looks like horrendous hamburger skin to us, a lot of people have much more serious scarring that is truly difficult to "fix" and live with. I didn't realize this until I started reading this forum, but I'm sort of ashamed that I even complained about my skin in the first place after seeing how horrible and much worse some other people's acne scars can be. sad.gif

Oh, I should also mention that I do a weekly microdermabrasion with Homedics Microdermabrasion kit. I also hear that a product called Alpha Beta Peel by Dennis Gross is really good too for maintaining results. smile.gif

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hi again!

I made a gallery with better pics, using macro mode on the camera (thanks for pointing that out!). So you can see that the scars better I hope.

Right now I am thinking of trying some of the PCA peels and maybe also TCA cross on the scars on my left cheek. Does anyone know if one can follow the other and vice versa with no problems. I have been reading that some procedures don't follow others well. Also, I am looking into info on subcision for the left side.

Now it is the right side that bothers me more, because it is less red and I can really see the scars. But I think ultimately the scarring on the right side could be worse...but right now I am hoping it is not as bad underneath all the red...

thanks again everyone for all the help!

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hi verysadgirl,

yes, your scars are almost exactly like mine! i'm confident that you'll end up pretty happy with your skin after some chemical peels too! if i were you, i wouldn't do such a drastic treatment like TCA cross - you're scars aren't that deep and you risk the possibility of just making the scars deeper. (i'm personally scared sh*tless of TCA that that's strong!)

the PCA peels first made my skin a little worse at the beginning, just warning you - but i think most peels do that? don't go to the place that you listed! they don't offer all the treatments necessary and i feel like they're a teensy bit overpriced too. :-\

if i can remember correctly, my aesthetician did the detox gel deep pore treatment the first time i went, then an ultra peel 2 the next time. i did the salicylic acid mask one time and that caused a TON of peeling and made my skin look really great (and un-red too, yay!) after that, she's been doing mostly sensi peels used with pigment control gel. this webpage gives you the details:

http://www.pcaskin.com/professional.html

oh, and i've been using the products from that line too (i *swear* i'm not a PCA representitive! i just really love the products! promise.) i use the c-strength 15% vitamin skin cream twice a day and this light moisturizer called clearskin. sometimes i use "rebalance", which is made for red/irritated skin and i use their exfoliant once a day also. when i remember to, i use the refining mask.

the last month or so, i steam my face 2-3 times a week with the homedics facial steamer (haha, i'm not a homedics representitive either!) it's really relaxing and opens up and cleans your pores. when PCA peels get too expensive for me, i use puredeming's 40% lactic acid peel which you can get on ebay. oh, and her intensive gel is GREAT for soothing your skin!

(hi, yes, i'm a total skin obsesee. can you tell? hehe.)

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oh, and how are you with makeup?

i'm really loving this cosmetics company called zhen, which are products made especially for asian women. here's their website:

http://www.zhenbeauty.com/index.cfm?CFID=3...FTOKEN=45802695

i really like their matte foundation. if you look around on the site, you can find that they will send you samples of their foundations and powders for $5 so you can find the right color for you. and if you decide to buy the full size product, they'll refund you your $5 by taking it off your order total. smile.gif

i've found that dabbing on moisturizer, then applying the right color foundation carefully to your zits with a concealer brush, and then dusting it with a yellow-based powder seriously does an amazing cover-up job!

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Hi!

Wow these are great things to know! I am glad you think that I can skip the TCA cross, and see what the PCA peels can do for me. And I am sooo happy to have the benefit of your advice, from someone who's been through this and it is so lucky for me that we have similar skin too!

When I did the search for PCA + peel + Boston (where si live), these are the two places that came up:

http://www.bostonelectrology.com/chemicalpeel.html

http://www.30newburyspa.com/treatments.htm

If you have a moment could you take a look around their sites to see if they look at all reputable?

I pasted the info above from the second one. It seems like neither offers the Detox Gel Deep Pore treatment...Is the Salicylic Peel you mentioned a PCA product too, or something else? I noticed the "PCA Chemical Peel" has salicylic acid...could that be it?

I am wondering if some combination of the two places for treatments might work for me, but I agree it seems expensive. But I think I can swing it, at least for a while if I can't find other places. I don't think I feel comfortable doing my own peels now, but I hope to work up to it.

Has your treatment regimen been to do these peels 1 time per month?

I have the Homedics steamer too!!!! biggrin.gif And I really like it also. I am a bit skin-obsessed right now too..hehe. But it feels so good to finally understand some of this stuff! One of the reason the scars bother me so much is that they remind me of how I haven't been taking care of myself, and they are reminders for some stressful unhappy times...so it is good to be taking care of myself now! And so great to have the help of awesome people here to do it!!

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oh, and how are you with makeup?

i'm really loving this cosmetics company called zhen, which are products made especially for asian women. here's their website:

http://www.zhenbeauty.com/index.cfm?CFID=3...FTOKEN=45802695

i really like their matte foundation. if you look around on the site, you can find that they will send you samples of their foundations and powders for $5 so you can find the right color for you. and if you decide to buy the full size product, they'll refund you your $5 by taking it off your order total. smile.gif

i've found that dabbing on moisturizer, then applying the right color foundation carefully to your zits with a concealer brush, and then dusting it with a yellow-based powder seriously does an amazing cover-up job!

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hey again,

yay, i'm so happy that you're benefitting from all this! smile.gif

also, what a weird coincidence! I'm also in the boston area! I don't know anything about those spas that you listed though - I guess the prices are reasonable? It's about average. Maybe you should call them to see if they offer the detox gel treatment, etc. The salicylc peel I was talking about is called the Clarifying Mask and I think it's 20% salicylic acid. It stings the most out of all the masks and peels, but the results are worth it!

The place I go to is in Wellesley, which might be out of your way if you don't have a car. They're called "Plastic Surgery Specialists" and I see their aesthetician, Robin, sort of sporadically. I first saw her a little more than a year ago, and got peels maybe 1 or 2 times a month for around 5-6 months. Then I didn't see her for a long time and just recently started seeing her again. Here's her webpage:

http://www.plasticsurgeryhotline.com/aesthetic.htm

All her PCA peels (except pumpkin peel, which i've never had) are $100 and if you buy a series of 5 treatment, you get one free! pretty good deal. she's supernice too, which always helps. smile.gif

by the way, who was the facialist who scarred you up, just so I can avoid her? i'm sorry that happened to you - how terrible! sad.gif

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Hello!

I am having two consultations tomorrow at places that do the PCA peels we've been talking about. I will let you know how they go!

I've been poking around some more and am wondering if I should try needling? Does anyone have any opinions about this? I have read that it can help rolling scars, which I have on my right cheek, and maybe some of my boxcars. Any help would be appreciated!

Pizzicato , can you tell me what PCA home products you use? I want to look these over when I am at the places. Also, I wanted to let you know that I ordered some Zhen foundation samples. I can't wait to receive them!

thank you!

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Hello!

I am having two consultations tomorrow at places that do the PCA peels we've been talking about. I will let you know how they go!

I've been poking around some more and am wondering if I should try needling? Does anyone have any opinions about this? I have read that it can help rolling scars, which I have on my right cheek, and maybe some of my boxcars. Any help would be appreciated!

Pizzicato , can you tell me what PCA home products you use? I want to look these over when I am at the places. Also, I wanted to let you know that I ordered some Zhen foundation samples. I can't wait to receive them!

thank you!

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Pizzicato , can you tell me what PCA home products you use? I want to look these over when I am at the places. Also, I wanted to let you know that I ordered some Zhen foundation samples. I can't wait to receive them!

thank you!

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Hello!

Well, went to both of my consultations yesterday. My expectations were pretty low for the first one, because the name had "electrology" in it. But I was reasonably impressed...though I am not sure what to think. Maybe you guys have some thoughts...here's what happened:

1. First consult...

Got there, a bit late, but the aesthetician was very nice and spent a lot of time with me, almost an hour. She gave me pamphlets on the PCA products and described the procedure. She told me that she leaves the products on for 3-4 minutes then takes them off. Is this normal? *Pizzicato, how long does Robin leave the chemicals on when she does yours?

She told me that she thought that in 2-3 peels, once a month, she would be able to tell how my skin would improve over the next year with regular treatments. I was pretty sad, because she told me that over a year she thought I could get 40% improvement, and of course I was hoping for more. She did say that if anything she plays down estimates like this so that people don't get their hopes up...

She also told me I would need peels for the rest of my life, because the effects are not permanent, and the scars would get more noticeable with age. sad.gif Does everyone agree with this? any opinions would be appreciated.

I told her my goal is to get my skin in the best shape I can over the next year and hope to do a heavy chemical peel, or even an Exoderm eventually. (

Can someone clarify for me...these procedures do effectively remove scars, right? since they destroy pretty much all of your skin and force your body to create totally fresh skin? )

She's about 30 years old, and has been doing PCA peels for over 4 years, and uses them on herself too. She seemed very capable to me. She showed me pics of clients with dramatic improvement in hyperpigmentation, but she didn't have any pics showing scar improvement. She said it was because usually clients are happy when the red marks are gone and decide to live with the scars...so, this is a small doubt for me...how much she can improve my actual scars...

She charges $100 for each peel for 1 layer and $10 extra for each additional layer of chemical. They have a deal to buy 5 and get a 6th treatment for free, or buy 10 and get 3 for free.

She recommended the PCA Peel® with Hydroquinone, Ultra Peel mainly. Said that she thought that I wouldn't get as much peeling from the Sensi Peel and Clarifying Mask...She said we coudl start off with a facial or detox gel treatment so that she can see my skin without makeup and do a more complete assessment before starting the series of peels.

2. Second Consult

this was at a spa place, and I don't think that the girl there had nearly as much experience. She also seemed unsure of a lot of stuff. She was very preoccupied with getting me to buy the products there too...She said I could get "a lot" of improvement in a year of treatments. Peels here are a bit more expensive than at the first place.

Interestingly, she told me that she leaves the chemicals on when she does peels...you keep the peel on for at least 24 hours... Unlike the first consult, who only leaves them on for a few minutes.

Anyone have any ideas about how long the chemical peels are supposed to stay on?

3. More to come...

I am being very cautious, since I don't want to make my skin worse by doing the wrong things. So...

*Pizzicato, I have a consultation with Robin at your place next Friday. I also am going to try to get one here:

http://www.bucosmeticsurgery.com/procedure...ical_peels.html

Don't think they do PCA peels though...I am considering paying for a consult with a doctor here, rather than an aesthetician...

Please send along any thoughts about any of this. I am anxious for opinions. And plese check out my gallery for pics of my scars.

Thank you!!!

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Hello!

Well, went to both of my consultations yesterday. My expectations were pretty low for the first one, because the name had "electrology" in it. But I was reasonably impressed...though I am not sure what to think. Maybe you guys have some thoughts...here's what happened:

1. First consult...

Got there, a bit late, but the aesthetician was very nice and spent a lot of time with me, almost an hour. She gave me pamphlets on the PCA products and described the procedure. She told me that she leaves the products on for 3-4 minutes then takes them off. Is this normal? *Pizzicato, how long does Robin leave the chemicals on when she does yours?

She told me that she thought that in 2-3 peels, once a month, she would be able to tell how my skin would improve over the next year with regular treatments. I was pretty sad, because she told me that over a year she thought I could get 40% improvement, and of course I was hoping for more. She did say that if anything she plays down estimates like this so that people don't get their hopes up...

She also told me I would need peels for the rest of my life, because the effects are not permanent, and the scars would get more noticeable with age. sad.gif    Does everyone agree with this? any opinions would be appreciated.

I told her my goal is to get my skin in the best shape I can over the next year and hope to do a heavy chemical peel, or even an Exoderm eventually. (

Can someone clarify for me...these procedures do effectively remove scars, right? since they destroy pretty much all of your skin and force your body to create totally fresh skin? )

She's about 30 years old, and has been doing PCA peels for over 4 years, and uses them on herself too. She seemed very capable to me. She showed me pics of clients with dramatic improvement in hyperpigmentation, but she didn't have any pics showing scar improvement. She said it was because usually clients are happy when the red marks are gone and decide to live with the scars...so, this is a small doubt for me...how much she can improve my actual scars...

She charges $100 for each peel for 1 layer and $10 extra for each additional layer of chemical. They have a deal to buy 5 and get a 6th treatment for free, or buy 10 and get 3 for free.

She recommended the PCA Peel® with Hydroquinone, Ultra Peel mainly. Said that she thought that I wouldn't get as much peeling from the Sensi Peel and Clarifying Mask...She said we coudl start off with a facial or detox gel treatment so that she can see my skin without makeup and do a more complete assessment before starting the series of peels.

2. Second Consult

this was at a spa place, and I don't think that the girl there had nearly as much experience. She also seemed unsure of a lot of stuff. She was very preoccupied with getting me to buy the products there too...She said I could get "a lot" of improvement in a year of treatments. Peels here are a bit more expensive than at the first place.

Interestingly, she told me that she leaves the chemicals on when she does peels...you keep the peel on for at least 24 hours... Unlike the first consult, who only leaves  them on for a few minutes.

Anyone have any ideas about how long the chemical peels are supposed to stay on?

3. More to come...

I am being very cautious, since I don't want to make my skin worse by doing the wrong things. So...

*Pizzicato, I have a consultation with Robin at your place next Friday. I also am going to try to get one here:

http://www.bucosmeticsurgery.com/procedure...ical_peels.html

Don't think they do PCA peels though...I am considering paying for a consult with a doctor here, rather than an aesthetician...

 

Please send along any thoughts about any of this. I am anxious for opinions. And plese check out my gallery for pics of my scars.

Thank you!!!

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I think these are rolling and boxcar scars on my right, and boxcar on my left. are they actually icepicks on the left? The look wider when I look at the straight on, than in the pics.

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I am trying to get more opinions about chemical peels vs. surgical techniques now. If I do eventually need subcision, is it bad to do some PCA chemical peels first? These I think are light TCA peels that have only a couple of days of peeling. I am interested in doing them because Pizzicato has had amazing results! And, I know they will help a lot with hyperpigmentation, and that will make it easier to evaluate my scars.

I am trying to gather as much info as possible. Thank you everyone for all of your help!

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