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does masturbation causes bacne or acne

beacuse when i dont masturbate it goes away it starts to clear but when i do it i break out so bad i need help.

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I masturbate regularly and it does not seem to affect it.

Ever since I started using a loofah, my back itches every day at school. But today I stopped altogether and just rinsed it with water in the shower and voila, no itching.

I smell Jan Carlo.

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No, masturbation has nothing to do with developing pimples.

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beacuse when i dont masturbate it goes away it starts to clear but when i do it i break out so bad i need help.

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Correlation doesn't imply causation.

There's a correlation between the price of whiskey and teachers salaries. Doesn't mean that teachers are buying all the whiskey! (The government raise taxes to pay teachers more, one of the taxes is on alcohol.)

When your testosterone level is high, you're more likely to break out, and more likely to masturbate.

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Lol, I seriously doubt masturbation is a direct cause for acne. Maybe SOME people get acne when THEY masturbate, but you cant just flat out say "If you masturbate, you will get acne." Think about it, basically every guy you know masturbates and/or has sex. Are you going to tell me that people with acne are the only people thats masturbate? Seriously doubt that

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no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and to make it really clear, NO!!!!!! puritanical, god-fearing, clinically insane religious zealots came up with this idea long ago along with blindness and hairy palms. have fun, whenever you want and remember : NO MASTURBATION DOES NOT, HAS NOT, NOR WILL EVER CAUSE ACNE, except if you use some crazy lube and then wipe it all over your face. then, it might. ultimately, it may reduce stress which if that factors into your breakouts, it might even help.

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p.s. sex of any kind, sex toys, pornography, adult playing cards, dirty thoughts also do not cause acne. enjoy without gult or fear!!!

p.p.s. i do believe that the whole testosterone theory about converting into an evil acne inducing agent is kinda just that....theoretical. as well, sex and sexual excitement are not indcative of increased testosterone output...the steady level in our body does. now add a testosterone PATCH to the mix, and you may run into trouble. yet another 'drugs are bad' scenario.

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whereas I dont think it causes acne, it is wrong, but don't beat urself up over it, just enter into God's grace and forgiveness brought by Christ, and the more you give yourself to the place of prayer they easier it becomes to be righteous

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but don't beat urself up over it, just enter into God's grace and forgiveness brought by Christ, and the more you give yourself to the place of prayer they easier it becomes to be righteous

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Good advice.

That is an ignorant statement. Moreover, that has nothing to do with the question at hand.

Incorrect. Self-gratification is not proven the enhance any physiological functioning. It is not an automatic bodyily funciton, as are nocturnal emmission. It is a stimlated effect.

Sex of any kind? Are you aware of the STD's circulating this country? You certainly should be scared, the stats are staggering.

Sex inhibits plasma testosterone levels and depletes glycogen levels. That is why many athletes refrain from sex before competing.

To answer the question, this coorelation is just in your mind.

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alright bible boy...

Already you reveal that you are lacking any true arguement or you would not have to revert to Ad hominem attacks.

step out of your god-fearing world for a second and show me one shred of science that proves any correlation.

That is what I asked you for, however I only got a temper tantrum for an answer.

masturbation reduces cortisol levels, the chemical DIRECTLY responsible for creating physical/emotional stress

Here are a few studies showing the opposite:

Cardiovascular and Endocrine Alterations After Masturbation-Induced Orgasm in Women

Michael S. Exton, PhD, Anne Bindert, MD, Tillmann Krüger, MD, Friedmann Scheller, MD, Uwe Hartmann, PhD and Manfred Schedlowski, PhD

From the Department of Medical Psychology (M.S.E., M.S.), University Clinic Essen, Essen, Germany; and the Divisions of Clinical Psychiatry (A.B., T.K., U.H.) and Nuclear Medicine (F.S.), Hannover Medical School, Hannover, Germany.

OBJECTIVE: The present study investigated the cardiovascular, genital, and endocrine changes in women after masturbation-induced orgasm because the neuroendocrine response to sexual arousal in humans is equivocal.

METHODS: Healthy women (N = 10) completed an experimental session, in which a documentary film was observed for 20 minutes, followed by a pornographic film for 20 minutes, and another documentary for an additional 20 minutes. Subjects also participated in a control session, in which participants watched a documentary film for 60 minutes. After subjects had watched the pornographic film for 10 minutes in the experimental session, they were asked to masturbate until orgasm. Cardiovascular (heart rate and blood pressure) and genital (vaginal pulse amplitude) parameters were monitored continuously throughout testing. Furthermore, blood was drawn continuously for analysis of plasma concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone (LH), ß-endorphin, follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, progesterone, and estradiol.

RESULTS: Orgasm induced elevations in cardiovascular parameters and levels of plasma adrenaline and noradrenaline. Plasma prolactin substantially increased after orgasm, remained elevated over the remainder of the session, and was still raised 60 minutes after sexual arousal. In addition, sexual arousal also produced small increases in plasma LH and testosterone concentrations. In contrast, plasma concentrations of cortisol, FSH, ß-endorphin, progesterone, and estradiol were unaffected by orgasm.

CONCLUSIONS: Sexual arousal and orgasm produce a distinct pattern of neuroendocrine alterations in women, primarily inducing a long-lasting elevation in plasma prolactin concentrations. These results concur with those observed in men, suggesting that prolactin is an endocrine marker of sexual arousal and orgasm.

Here is another one:

As well, in both forensic patients and control subjects, plasma levels of cortisol, and the pituitary hormones LH and FSH remained unaffected by sexual arousal and orgasm, confirming earlier observations in healthy male and female subjects . Further, no significant differences were observed between forensic patients and control subjects in basal levels of all tested endocrine parameters. The forensic patients in this study did, however, score significantly higher than control subjects on the aggression scales. Since an association has been suggested between testosterone levels and aggression (14–16), higher testosterone concentrations might be expected in the sexual offender group. However, patients in this study were preselected predominantly for an increased sexual drive. In addition, the study by Bradford and McLean failed to correlate violence and aggression with testosterone concentrations (17).

Here are a few more for you:

Krüger T, Exton MS, Pawlak C, von zur Mühlen A, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M. Neuroendocrine and cardiovascular response to sexual arousal and orgasm in men. Psychneuroendocrinology 1998;23:401–11.

Exton MS, Bindert A, Krüger T, Scheller F, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M. Cardiovascular and endocrine alterations after masturbation-induced orgasm in women. Psychosom Med 1999;61:280–9.

Exton NG, Truong TC, Exton MS, Wingenfeld SA, Leygraf N, Saller B, and others. Neuroendocrine response to film-induced sexual arousal in men and women. Psychoneuroendocrinology 2000;25:187–99.

Exton MS, Krüger THC, Koch M, Paulson E, Knapp W, Hartmann U, and others. Coitus-induced orgasm stimulates prolactin secretion in healthy subjects. Psychoneuroendocrinology 2001;26:287–94.

Exton MS, Krüger THC, Bursch N, Knapp W, Haake P, Schedlowski M, and others. Neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm following a 3-week sexual abstinence. World J Urol 2001;19:377–82.

Here is a great article.

http://www.reuniting.info/RAHalfTruths.htm

"Some studies discuss the gains from increased respiration, adrenaline and even cortisol that accompany conventional sex. These studies may be using too short a time frame for assessing any overall changes in wellbeing. For example, using cocaine leads to similar short-term changes, and yet it's easy to see that if one takes into account the complete cycle of excess dopamine followed by a severe neurochemical drop off, cocaine use is not beneficial and also highly addictive. A weary treadmill of highs and lows that sets up an addictive cycle can lead to more dissatisfaction than satisfaction--and worse general health--even if it gets the heart pumping."

i never suggested sex with others wont get you into some other trouble...

This is a nice example of circular reasoning. Prostitutes on TV (Porn "stars")are advocating the type of actions you are saying are not safe. You are being hypocritical in your stance by supporting these prostitutes.

but acne is hard to catch from your own hand, plastic toy, video tape or deck of cards, bub. and

I never said otherwise. Do not put words in my mouth.

as acne is no std, i do believe that excessive promiscuity can go hand in hand with beautiful skin

I never said acne was a STD, again words in my mouth. Stop creating strawman attacks.

you are feeding into a stupid theory and perpetuating this country's ignorance, negligence and fear surrounding sex of any type.

Why do you continue creating false arguements of my positions, then attacking those false arguements, as though that somehow dismantles my statements?

You are trying to dismiss my statement as absurd or false without demonstrating my actual case to be such.

any living creature has 3 main reasons to live

1) to eat

2) to mate

3) to reproduce

Yet masturbation serves to fulfill none of those "purposes". You are inconsistent in your beliefs. Moreover your flow of logic is horrendous.

us humans are no different,

I fail to see how masturbation has anything to do with serving the purposes you listed. It would be the opposite of your list:

1) "to eat"- masturbating would take away from time to gather food

2) "to mate" - It is wasting sperm

3) "to reproduce" - again a waste of sperm

Thank you for admitting that masturbation serves no purpose.

Apparently you forgot to add, "Self-gratification" to the list. Which is the ultimate reason people reject God, to serve their own desires.

snubbing your nose at the only form of safe sex is just plain stupid.

Again, you do not know me. I do not look down on others. I do feel sorry for those who have bought into the lie of sexual "freedom".

only form of safe sex

Incorrect. First masturbation is not sex, its a self-stimulating orgasm.

Sex within the confines of a covenant relationship (marriage), is the safest sexual practice in existance next to abstinence. It serves a purpose, to strengthen the love between the couple...love, and emotion that serves no "purpose" on your list.

If this was practiced universally, there would be no sexual diseases, broken marriages, depression, and a host of problems associated with promiscuity.

but i dont like moralistic do-gooders who use the bible as a weapon and try spouting out pseudo-science to defend it.

1. You haven't shown any science.

2. I have used no weapon. You are apparently threatened by those who seek to express alternate views than your own.

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LMAO...wow, you are brainwashed. Here goes...

"This is a nice example of circular reasoning. Prostitues on TV (Porn "stars")are advocating the type of actions you are saying are not safe. By default you are hypocritical by supporting these prostitutes."

Prostitutes? on TV? What have you been watching, you naughty boy. I never condoned it, nor do I condemn it...apparently only your people can judge people like that.

but acne is hard to catch from your own hand, plastic toy, video tape or deck of cards, bub. "and I never said otherwise. Do not put words in my mouth."

You told the poor kid to stop masturbating and beg forgiveness and maybe the acne will stop....how messed up is that?

"Yet masturbation serves to fulfill none of those "purposes". You are inconsistent in your beliefs. Moreover your flow of logic is herrendous."

Firstly, "heerendous" is not a word. I do assume that you meant horrendous, I believe. Masturbation is practice for sexual maturity and activity in adulthood and is a healthy part of ones sexuality. Just because you can't get laid, don't take it out on me.

"I fail to see how masturbation has anything to do with serving the purposes you listed. It would be the opposite of your list.

1) "to eat"- masturbating would take away from time to gather food

2) "to mate" - It is wasting sperm

3) "to reproduce" - again a waste of sperm

Thank you for admitting that masturbation serves no purpose.

Apparently you forgot to add, "Self-gratification" to the list. Which is the ultimate reason people reject God, to serve their own desires. "

LOL...1) i starved because i couldnt stop masturbating...are you for real? eusa_doh.gif

2) and 3) wasting sperm?! Theres an infinite supply! Theres so much that if you dont have sex or masturbate your baody gets rid of excess in your sleep. And reject God, because of a normal, healthy and important part of healthy human sexuality? Judgement again...your God really is quite mean, if youre anything to go by.

"Again, you do not know me. I do not look down on others. I do feel sorry for those who have bought into the lie of sexual "freedom"."

Nor do you know any of us. You look down and judge everyone who, unlike your puritanical breed of homophobic, brainwashed, dangerous persons actual think for themselves and don't blindly follow what theyre told. Tell me, sexual freedom, as you put it, you seem to object to. Will you have sex with your wife in a pitch black room through a whole in a sheet once a year solely for procreation? Yes, you probably would.

"Moreover, sex within the confines of a covenant relationship, is the safest sexual practice in existance. It serves the purpose of strengthening love between the couple...love, and emotion that serves no "purpose" on your list.

If this was practiced universally, there would be no sexual diseases, broken marriages, depression, and a host of problems associated with promiscuity."

Thats quite a stretch, considering this was about masturbation. The world didn't fall apart because of sexual freedom and masturbation. You subscribe to the opiate for the masses..blissfully unaware of anything but your own world. I woke up...can you?

"2. I have used no weapon. You are apparently threatened by those who seek to express alternate views than your own."

Merely by supporting this horrifying comment, you started all this...

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but don't beat urself up over it, just enter into God's grace and forgiveness brought by Christ, and the more you give yourself to the place of prayer they easier it becomes to be righteous

"Good advice." <- that was you...repulsive. I feel for you. You need to get off your religious high chair, put down that needle filled with Gods Law and start to think for yourself. You are whats wrong with the country....not masturbation, not prostitutes, not gays, not wasted sperm and certainly not people who have healthy views about sexuality. I've said enough...you make me sick to my stomach and all you'll do is come back with more judgements and moral values calls. Disgusting.

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LMAO...wow, you are brainwashed. Here goes...

This is coming from someone who name calls on the internet.

Prostitutes? on TV? What have you been watching, you naughty boy. I never condoned it, nor do I condemn it...apparently only your people can judge people like that.

Here is what you said earlier:

p.s. sex of any kind, sex toys, pornography, adult playing cards, dirty thoughts also do not cause acne. enjoy without gult or fear!!!

You did condone this form of prostituiton.

You told the poor kid to stop masturbating and beg forgiveness and maybe the acne will stop....how messed up is that?

I never said any such thing. Again, words in my mouth.

You seem to have quite an angry streak. Apparently masturbating isn't doing much for your cortisol levels. To get so angry over the internet?

Firstly, "heerendous" is not a word. I do assume that you meant horrendous, I believe. Masturbation is practice for sexual maturity and activity in adulthood and is a healthy part of ones sexuality. Just because you can't get laid, don't take it out on me.

Again, with the ad hominem attacks. Also you haven't shown any proof of your statements again. Only false scenarios and personal insults.

if youre

Youre is not a word. Just thought I'd let you know since now we are grading on spelling on the internet.

LOL...1) i starved because i couldnt stop masturbating...are you for real?

2) and 3) wasting sperm?! Theres an infinite supply! Theres so much that if you dont have sex or masturbate your baody gets rid of excess in your sleep. And reject God, because of a normal, healthy and important part of healthy human sexuality? Judgement again...your God really is quite mean, if youre anything to go by.

This was your list. According to the list you gave, what purpose does masterbation serve?

Nor do you know any of us.

"Us"?

You look down and judge everyone who, unlike your puritanical breed of homophobic, brainwashed, dangerous persons actual think for themselves and don't blindly follow what theyre told.

"blindly follow" I showed you studies that contradict your statements. Apparently scientific evidence is not enough for you. It seems you are the one exerting blind faith.

Tell me, sexual freedom, as you put it, you seem to object to. Will you have sex with your wife in a pitch black room through a whole in a sheet once a year solely for procreation? Yes, you probably would.

To explain this would mean for me to expound upon covenant relationships. This is a concept you could not possibly grasp at this point, nor would I even elaborate on with one so angry as yourself.

You need to get off your religious high chair, put down that needle filled with Gods Law and start to think for yourself. You are whats wrong with the country....not masturbation, not prostitutes, not gays, not wasted sperm and certainly not people who have healthy views about sexuality. I've said enough...you make me sick to my stomach and all you'll do is come back with more judgements and moral values calls. Disgusting.

I do not practice religion. I have a relationship with Christ. Moreover, God literally saved me from overdosing on cocaine. I have been on both sides friend. I am not your enemy. It may behoove you to listen to the advice of others instead of ranting like a teenager. It really makes you look foolish.

healthy views about sexuality

Note this is your opinion, not scientific evidence.

This really isn't the board for these types of discussions. I will be glad to explain and discuss with you in Private messages. Otherwise you can take the last lash and continue to display your temper tantrum.

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oh jesus...a born again "God saved me from my own stupid behavior' type. even worse. temper tantrum or not, you are still judgemental and concluding that masturbation is a sin, which is an out and out lie. and you believe that turning himself over to the power of prayer and jesus will stop him from masturbating...again, where are you from? midwest?

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and as a gay male from san francisco, which your people consider 'soddom' from what i hear, i know alot about healthy sexuality and practices and what does and does not put one at risk, mentally and physically, of harming themselves. repressed sexual types such as yourself are the dangerous ones afraid of differing lifestyles.

Here's some science for ya:

1)Masturbating does not cause pimples. Masturbation is a perfectly healthy activity, for girls and guys, for women and men. Some people may worry that masturbation is harmful because they've heard myths or stories  but they are not true. In fact, masturbation is one of the body's most effective ways to relieve stress.

Most guys notice changes in their body, like facial hair growth and ejaculation, between the ages of 10-12. Most often the changes are complete by the age of 20. These changes are a part of puberty.

Puberty is a time when hormones stimulate change in all parts of the body. Both guys' and girls' sweat glands will produce greater amounts of sweat and oil glands will produce greater amounts of oil. As a result, acne  pimples on the face and other parts of the body caused by bacteria and trapped oil  may appear. The hormonal changes of puberty that cause acne also cause a greater interest in sex. At puberty, young men and women begin to have more sexual thoughts. When they touch their sex organs for pleasure  masturbate  they may also have sexual fantasies Masturbation may be a teen's first sexual activity. It is important to remember that although increased masturbation may occur at a time when acne develops, masturbation does not make acne happen.

from: http://www.teenwire.com/index.asp?taStrona...0011016p294.asp

2)

Response: :: select a category

:: select a question

Dear San,

No, masturbation does not cause acne or any other negative side effects. Masturbation is a normal human behavior.

from : http://www.youthembassy.com/pastquestions_...p?QuestionID=28

3) Does sex affect acne?

No. Although the sex hormone testosterone is the primary cause of acne you do not develop spots because you have too much of this hormone or are over-sexed. Masturbation and whether you have sex or not has no effect on acne and certainly does not cause it.

from: http://www.m2w3.com/acne/facts_fiction.html#2

4)Sex. Rumours have had it that both celibacy and masturbation are causes for acne. This is not the case.

from : http://www.thedoctorslounge.net/clinlounge...s/skin/acne.htm

5) Myth: Sex and masturbation can lead to acne

Fact: This is an age-old myth. Although the sex hormone testosterone is a major cause of acne, whether or not you engage in any sexual act has no effect on acne and definitely doesn’t cause it.

from : http://www.health24.com/medical/Condition_...-1530,21194.asp

6) Q Can masturbating harm me in any way?

A No. Masturbation is harmless to the body, both physically and psychologically. There are many myths about masturbation that are not true; masturbation does not cause blindness, sexual inadequacy, loss of sexual organs, hair growth on the palms or somewhere else, or acne.

from : http://www.ppnyc.org/facts/faq/masturb.html

7) It seems that if I masturbate regularly, I have increased acne. Does masturbation cause skin breakouts?

There is absolutely no evidence that acne has anything to do with masturbation or sexual activity. It is really rather startling how many myths there are about acne. Some of them even have trouble dying out, including the notion that acne has anything to do with diet. Acne is caused by bacteria on the face along with a dysfunction of the pores. It can be treated with many different topical agents and soaps, as well as some systemic antibiotics and/or other prescription medication for more severe forms of acne.

from : http://drdrew.com/Office/faq.asp?id=1289

8) Myths concerning masturbation

Masturbation can cause a number of physical and mental problems like warts, palm hair, pimples, acne, and insanity.

Masturbation is a normal, healthy part of life that is not harmful physically or psychologically. In fact, in most cases it is beneficial. When it does become harmful, often those individuals have underlying mental problems that are unrelated to their sexual practices.

from : http://www.sex-project.com/myths.shtml

9) Myth:

Masturbation or sex causes acne

Reality:

This antiquated notion, originating as early as the 17th century to dissuade young people from having premarital sex, is just plain wrong. Don't believe the hype.

from : http://www.acne-answers.org/acne/acne-myths.html

10) Solo's purpose is to foster positive attitudes toward sexuality. The first ingredient in a positive sexual attitude is knowledge of and comfort with one's own body and sexuality. Masturbation is the best way to achieve these things.

For many of us, sexuality begins with masturbation. Evidence has shown that most people in the world masturbate. People masturbate as early as infancy and a late as late adulthood. Masturbation is healthy. It is safe. It won't cause hairy palms or acne and it won't cause AIDS or other sexually transmitted diseases. It can help you in numerous ways: It is a healthy, positive way to release sexual tension. It teaches you about your body and your physical and emotional responses to sexual stimulation.

Becoming comfortable with masturbation, your body and your sexuality is the first step toward a healthy, fulfilling sexual life.

from : http://www.solotouch.com/about.php?file=focus

10 'scientific' sites with answers based in reality, not the bible, that prove a point. by the way, i used 10 examples to represent each of our 10 fingers evil.gif

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p.s...and here's one that i couldn't pass up on posting...

- By Deborah Zabarenko

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Roman Catholic Church received 1,092 new claims of priest sexual abuse last year and paid more than $157 million to deal with them, according to an audit of the pedophile scandal released on Friday.

"The crisis of sexual abuse of minors within the Catholic Church is not over," Kathleen McChesney, head of the U.S. church's Office of Child and Youth Protection, told reporters.

"What is over is the denial that this problem exists, and what is over is the reluctance of the church to deal openly with the public about the nature and extent of the problem."

This audit, the second report on the church response to the pedophile scandal that erupted in 2002, was made public four days after one of the most notorious pedophile offenders, defrocked priest Paul Shanley, was sentenced to 12 to 15 years in prison for raping a boy in the 1980s.

The audit tallied the number of new complaints, the amount spent on them and the percentage of American dioceses that are complying with 2002 charter aimed at ending priest sexual abuse.

David Clohessy of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, criticized the report for failing to measure how effectively the church has helped victims and prevented offenses.

"We owe it to innocent children and vulnerable adults to insist on hard evidence and solid data before determining progress is being made," Clohessy said in a statement outside the news conference where the audit was released.

Of the 1,092 allegations reported in 2004, most involved incidents between 1965 and 1974, McChesney said.

The charges involved at least 756 priests and deacons, and the vast majority of victims -- 78 percent -- were male. Most were between the ages of 10 and 14 when the abuse began.

Twenty-two allegations were made last year by children under the age of 18 and all of these were reported to law enforcement, she said.

Of the 194 dioceses audited last year, 74 percent were in already in compliance with the church charter and most of the remaining 26 percent complied by the end of 2004, said William Gavin of the Gavin Group, which conducted the audit.

Gavin said the most common deficiencies were in parts of the charter that called for training to create safe environments and for background evaluations of parish personnel.

from : http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=7677260

yes, all God's follwers sure are great... eusa_pray.gif

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temper tantrum or not, you are still judgemental and concluding that masturbation is a sin, which is an out and out lie. and you believe that turning himself over to the power of prayer and jesus will stop him from masturbating...again, where are you from? midwest?

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Now bible quotes...ho-hum. I notice how you chose not to comment on how "god saved me from my own stupid behaviors."

you have gay friends? wow...YOU are SO progressive...had I only known you were so wise and open-minded i would have never thought you a zealot. somehow i doubt anyone who spouts bible verses has any gay friends. at least ones that arent actively being sought after for conversion into 'the path of righteousness'. dear dear...

i'm afraid, my 'traded my coke addiction for a god addiction' friend, that this ends here. you consistently contradict yourself, ask for science and strike it down when placed in front of you, push religion on others on an acne site of all places, refute any logic that doesn't sit well with your 'god' and have misled this topic WAY out of bounds.

For the record, i placed that article there to show you and others who think like you what sexual deviancy really is. pursuing self-desires is gods preachers molesting children. the was never an implication that you did it, but you sure defended yourself quick there, eh? wink.gif i don't believe anything in your last post at all. from what you have shown, you are everything i thought you would be. you judge but then claim to be humble, you cast stones, but say you are not without sin, you inflict guilt and say it's 'god's will', not yours. my cousin was a born-again and she was every bit as awful as you seem. you probably were at least mildly amusing strung out on cocaine.

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somehow i doubt anyone who spouts bible verses has any gay friends.

lol I work in a very liberal office. I'm involved in politics and work with gay people all day long.

There seems to be this idea with you that if you are a Christian that means you hate people who are not Christians. You have the wrong impression.

Because I do not agree with the lifestyle does not mean I hate the person. In fact the bible has a lot more to say about pre-marital sex than homosexuality. For me to say I will not have gay friends is to say I will not have friends who practice fornication. I do not believe Christians should live in caves away from all non-Christians. That is the opposite of our calling.

You have the wrong impression of what Christianity is. Or at least you have only dealth with those who do not understand the message of Christ. Christ came to dismantle the concepts you believe Christians accept. I know you do not like to read the bible, but if you are serious about expanding your awareness read the following passages:

10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and “sinners� came and ate with him and his disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?�

12On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.�

36Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. 37When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, 38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is–that she is a sinner.�

40Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.�

“Tell me, teacher,� he said.

41“Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[d] and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?�

43Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled.�

“You have judged correctly,� Jesus said.

44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven–for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.�

48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.�

49The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?�

50Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.�

Another example:

7All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a ‘sinner.’ �

8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.�

9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.�

As you can see, Christ did the opposite of what you accuse Christianity of. I

push religion on others on an acne site of all places, refute any logic that doesn't sit well with your 'god' and have misled this topic WAY out of bounds.

For the record, you original response incited this and your original response to the question asked had nothing to do with the topic and was infact, inaccurate:

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and to make it really clear, NO!!!!!! puritanical, god-fearing, clinically insane religious zealots came up with this idea long ago along with blindness and hairy palms.

i don't believe anything in your last post at all.

That doesn't really matter to me, nor does it refute the inaccurate info you gave concerning cortisol and masturbation.

For the record, i placed that article there to show you and others who think like you what sexual deviancy really is. pursuing self-desires is gods preachers molesting children.

I agree, its a disgusting sin. I do not condone it. I know there is a lot of hypocrisy in some facets of the church. What you have to remember is, the church is made up of people. In fact Paul was in constant threat by false brothers. False Christians have plauged the church from its conception and will continue to until the Lord returns.

26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers.

4This matter arose oecause some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Paul even addressed vile sexual abuses occuring the churches in Corinth:

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

Am I suprised there are false Christians in the church? In no way. This was predicted by the 1st century apostles! In fact we can expect it!

The apostle John said,

do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies.

and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

The Word teaches us to focus on Christ, not other people, even pastors and priests, because they are not the source of our faith. All are sinners and all can fall into sin. Our trust is to be in Christ, not Jimmy Swagert or any other evangelist.

you judge but then claim to be humble

Where have I judged anyone?

but say you are not without sin

False. I said I was the first to admit I need Grace.

you inflict guilt and say it's 'god's will', not yours

Where have I condemend or judged anyone? No where. I said your statements regarding masturbation's "benefits" and perceptions of Christianity are flat out wrong. Yet you could not rebuttle my statements. All you can do is name call and put words in my mouth...hardly a retaliation to the scientific journals I laid out.

Since I am so "judgemental" I would be interested in understanding your standards of judgement.

How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Surely you have some standard?

For example, would you say Hitler was wrong for murdering millions of Jews and gays? By what standard do you judge this to be evil?

I base my standard that this is wrong on what God says, regarding murder.

But my question is on what standard do you render a verdict?

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OH MY GOSH, JUST DONT DO IT! Its not rocket science that needs backing up, if soembody notices a correlation in their own body then they should stop, but as for me I'm just not gonna do it because its lust!

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For the record, you original response incited this and your original response to the question asked had nothing to do with the topic and was infact, inaccurate:

That doesn't really matter to me, nor does it refute the inaccurate info you gave concerning cortisol and masturbation.

I agree, its a disgusting sin. I do not condone it. I know there is a lot of hypocrisy in some facets of the church. What you have to remember is, the church is made up of people. In fact Paul was in constant threat by false brothers. False Christians have plauged the church from its conception and will continue to until the Lord returns.

26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers.

4This matter arose oecause some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Paul even addressed vile sexual abuses occuring the churches in Corinth:

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

Am I suprised there are false Christians in the church? In no way. This was predicted by the 1st century apostles! In fact we can expect it!

The apostle John said,

do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies.

and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

The Word teaches us to focus on Christ, not other people, even pastors and priests, because they are not the source of our faith. All are sinners and all can fall into sin. Our trust is to be in Christ, not Jimmy Swagert or any other evangelist.

Where have I judged anyone?

False. I said I was the first to admit I need Grace.

Where have I condemend or judged anyone? No where. I said your statements regarding masturbation's "benefits" and perceptions of Christianity are flat out wrong. Yet you could not rebuttle my statements. All you can do is name call and put words in my mouth...hardly a retaliation to the scientific journals I laid out.

Since I am so "judgemental" I would be interested in understanding your standards of judgement.

How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Surely you have some standard?

For example, would you say Hitler was wrong for murdering millions of Jews and gays? By what standard do you judge this to be evil?

I base my standard that this is wrong on what God says, regarding murder.

But my question is on what standard do you render a verdict?

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'but don't beat urself up over it,

he doesn't need the guilt from

Again:

'but don't beat urself up over it,

he doesn't need the guilt from

The above is what I said, good advice too, not to beat himself up over it. How then do you get "Quit giving him a guilt trip".

can't you see how damaging that is?

I never condemend him. lol

I went alone with the original posters advice:

'but don't beat urself up over it,

Read my posts, I've discussed indepth B5 therapy multiple times.

I don't throw myself at the mercy of a vengeful, wrathful god.

The good news is you don't have too. Christ already took your wrath.

7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

what don't you do?

I have a very active life, I do not do anything I do not consider to be fruitful. I also run a small business on the side, volunteer at several homeless facilities, and run a small group bible study. The reason I am discuss with you is not to win an internet war. I've offered to do this in PM's. The reason I do this is because I care about you and would like to discuss any issue with you man to man, through private messages.

I want you to see, God does not hate you, He accepts you for who you are. No matter what you have done. It is not a matter of you "turning straight" or turning over a new leaf. Its a matter of humbling yourself to God. There is an old saying, "God said you are to be a fisher of men, you do the catching He will do the cleaning". Its not my job to condemn you or judge you, and I have yet to do so.

You say you will never bow to God, but the fact is the very air you breath demonstrates you do rely on God everyday to simply exist. Your next heart beat only occurs due to God's sustaining power. If God was a God of wrath, you would not be alive right now. He could crush all of His enemies to dust with a Word. But He is a God of Mercy and Love...long suffering, Hoping we will come to Him.

Everything you have, I have, everyone has is from God. Your family, your job, everything. Refusing to acknowldege Him and give Him Glory for creating you is living a life of taking and giving nothing back. Giving Him your life is no big deal, we already take from God every second, and in fact it will change your life for the better, the best part is this sets one free. Its not about following a set of rules and regulations. Following all the rules is impossible. The rules are simply there to show us that we are not living up to God's standard. God's standard is so High, no one can attain it. He is perfectly Holy. This is a concept our minds can not comprehend. God is so Holy He can not even look on sin. That is why Christ came, to bridge this gap. God Himself came to the earth in the form of a man, endured temptation, remained perfectly Holy, then took on Himself all of our sins so that we might have eternal life. We can not earn this through good works, its only by Grace we are saved. That is why no matter how you are right now, you are worthy to come to God, not on your own, but because of Christ.

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I don't hate god. i don't hate christ. i believe that christ actually did exist according to scientific evidence. i am not a christian, and therefore don't subscribe to your beliefs. i am happy you find peace with your faith. im working on mine, only not in the same way you do. no one practice, belief or religion is right or wrong. and no, you didn't say that, im just giving my faith in a higher power the same validation as you have given to yours. i'm angry, self-centered to the extreme and constantly forget that my actions affect many more than just myself. i'm sick and will always be so, but my footwork and faith in my sprituality at least eases my symptoms. there is so much happening today that is actively pursuing taking away my rights as an american. i'm angry...but i have to accept the unacceptable here. those who seek to condemn me believe that what they seek is whats right, just as i believe that what they seek is wrong. the world is a terrible place these days...i apologize for scape-goating you and i am no more to judge than anyone else.

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hank you for your insights! razz.gif

"no one practice, belief or religion is right or wrong."

I used to believe this way as well, that truth was inclusive, not

exclusive.I'll give you the line of thought that changed my opinion on this matter.

If I am consistent with that pattern of thought, who am I to state,

"Osama Bin Laden is evil". He genuinely believes he is fulfilling his god's holy will by slaying innocent victims. This is his religious belief and he and all his followers believe it vehemently. It is easy for us to say, "He's an evil man for what he did". But the problem lies in, "where did we get our definition of what is evil". Is he evil because evil is an actual force, or is he evil because our society's cultural standard is different than his?

If I state, "he's evil because he's a murderer", the question then

becomes, who decided murder was "evil". In other words how do we render that verdict?

Is he evil because evil genuinely exists, or evil just because our

definition of evil is different than his.

If we claim truth is inclusive we can not rightfully call such

Extremist’s evil, only different from us, as according to their standards they are right. Going by this, how can we say, we are right and they are wrong?

This is called relative morality. In other words, everyone decides for

Themselves what is right and wrong, and there is no ultimate good or bad, it's all relative.

The opposite view is that, God has decided what is good and what is

evil, and He has clearly told us what these standards are, as well as

instilling in every human a conscience to test His judgments.

If there is a God, the logical conclusion is that He would reveal

Himself to His creation, and logically speaking this makes sense as to say otherwise is the philosophy of atheism.

If God did not reveal himself, and essentially played the watchmaker,

In other words, created everything and let it go, Whatever happens

happens, and we have no way of knowing who God is, we are ultimately the gods of our own universe.

The religion of atheism, humanism, dictates there are no absolutes. This

basically states, "man is the god of his own universe", and man decides

what is right and wrong. And on those terms, "right" and "wrong" are not true entities but merely cultural norms.

For example, Hitler was not really "evil". He was "right" in his mind,

so by the religion of no absolutes, Hitler was "right" because he believed he was.

However, the religion of no absolutes is inherently hypocritical ,as to

claim there are no absolutes, is within itself claiming an absolute.

Now, an agnostic or one who claims there is no way to know God or one

Who claims the "watchmaker belief", must fall into this same philosophical view!

Think about it like this. If God never revealed Himself, there are

still no absolutes! We are accountable to no one but ourselves.

As God has never revealed Himself(His attributes, rules, etc), the

Logical conclusion must again be there are no absolutes.

If he never told us how to live, he can not hold us responsible for our

actions. In which case you might as well live as one who says "there is

no God!"

This is a dangerous philosophy and one that is being spawned more and

More in today's society. That is why we are seeing the downfall of

Christianity, and the rise of humanism and godlessness in America. Whereas this mentality was virtually non-existent upon Americas Founding fathers and subsequent generations.

The claim that there is no God or that there is no way to know who is

God-

The religion of humanism.

The claim that there is a God and he revealed himself-

The truth of God: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)full of grace and truth.

The other alternative, of course, is that God did reveal Himself...That

We have His Words. That God does care. And that God did indeed establish absolutes. And as the Creator, He has the supreme right to enforce those absolutes and the punishment of the breaking of His rules. That is His right as God.

As it is, He has decided, that while He in no way owes it to us, that

He loves us enough to die for us, so we can live to his standards of

Absolute holiness.

"im working on mine"

The good news is you do not have to do this anymore, unless you want

to. But the bible teaches that we can work all of our life on changing and becoming better and we will never be satisfied. When Jesus left this earth he sent down the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit as a gift to anyone that wants it.

All one has to do is ask for it. It's really that simple.. .you do not

Have to turn over a new leaf then come to God. God wants you to come just the way you are. God has done all the work, all we have to do is genuinely ask

The Holy Spirit to come into our hearts. You won't have to work at becoming a better person anymore, but can enter the rest of Christ. As I've said, everyone is working to become "better", but it’s all in vein. This is the attempt to fill a void in us that only entering God's rest can fulfill.

It's an innate desire in each of us to peruse God's holiness. The problem is none of us comes close. Our work is only done when we rest in Christ.

28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you

rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

"i'm sick and will always be so"

The Lord can change that all you have to do is ask smile.gif , "When Jesus landed

And saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick."

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i agree with your conclusions here and, as i mentioned in my last post, try to put myself in others' shoes and see how i and my views are percieved by others. if can see the threat of gay marriage, abortion, etc., almost from the mind of christian and catholic (i.e. majority of america). i can almost understand why they disapprove. i dont like it, but thats how it is. it is relative morality. osama bin laden is not evil. nor is he insane. he believes that america needs to be quieted down. his religion teaches him that america is 'the great devil' and middle eastern foreign policy surely backs that up rolleyes.gif to him and those like him, this is a 'holy war'...it is what they believe must be done. i dont fault them...jews, christians, catholics, protestants etc. all have crosses to bear for what 'holy' causes they have killed for.

hitler was not evil. he was extraodinarily gregarious, ruthless, intelligent and persuasive....he was also extremely mentally ill. he was a deluded, paranoid, megalomaniac and sociopathic man. his esteemable traits where, henceforth, used in a very, very, very terrible way. fueled by validation of his paranoia, he grew more and more unstable. and the fact that his handy doctor kept him going nonstop with methamphetamine injections wasn't at all helpful. his downfall was spectacular...falling from so high, to a suicide in a concrete underground room (all that was left of his 'vision'). he enabled some of the most horrific human atrocities to date, and he believed what he was doing was right. he was very ill and instead of be disabled by mental illness, as almost always is the case, he acted on his illness because of the unfortunate fact that he was a born leader, as well. once again, like you said, relative morality.

we all choose what to believe in and why. yes, some of it is forced at first (i.e. church every sunday as a child and hating it), but we ultimately define morality for ourselves. our free will is an equal blessing and curse. of the religions i know of, these values are almost universal. if we choose to be our own gods, so be it, but for me i would miss out on my spiritual life, which would be very unfortunate. 'spiritual bankruptcy', unlike acne, cannot be treated with a pill or cream. it doesnt show physically and you can pass through life without beleif. i believe, for myself, that there is something greater than me who wants me to be OK. i've chosen a religion that has me actively participate in becoming a better person. it takes work on my part, but essentially all i'm required is to let go of what most of us cling to so tightly. i know when i go to bed, that i'm not alone and that i do have the ability to be a better person, so long as i dont depend on my will alone.

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