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As with anything I am sure that there will be good and bad experiences for all. I am a little nervous, but need information on how it made things worse or better.

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1. Yes I had milia after all of my dermabrasions. My doctor showed me how to self extract and I had no further problems. Retin-A products can also help prevent their formation.

2. Yes I had a period during the healing phase when I broke out. I knew this was coming so I immediately contacted my doc who put me on antibiotics and steriods. Resolved the issue quickly.

3. Dermabrasion can make icepick scarring appear worse as the top layer is removed. This can sometimes uncover a larger area of the scar. I recommend punch floats or grafts prior to the procedure. I have had both done and they work well for treating ice pick scars.

4. No problems with enlarged pores or skin texture problems. CO2 laser did that for me...grrr. evil.gif

I wish you all the luck in the world with your procedure! Keep us updated! biggrin.gif

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MY MAIN QUESTION IS TO ANYONE WHO HAS HAD IT DONE?

Did you get milia? What did the doctor do?

DId you get a breakout afterwards?

WHAT did it do to ice pick scars(I dont expect dermabrasion to fix it; I just dont want to make it worse.)

Did anyone get bigger pores or orange peel texture?

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Jenfen,

I am on day #10 post dermabrasion and have only had a few milia spots/minor zits that have gone away in a day or two.

The few ice pick scars I had were punch floated and they seem to have filled in pretty well; still visible but MUCH better than they were before.

I think it's too early to tell what effect the procedure has had on my pores or skin texture.

I can tell you that this is my second dermabrasion and this one went so much smoother than the first one. My memory of the first one was sheer hell; looonng recovery period (3 weeks of hiding out) with one big scab covering my face. When the scabs came off, my skin had an orange peel texture where it had previously been smooth---totally ruined my skin texture. I said I would NEVER go through that again but after reading so many positive things about everyone else's experiences and doing alot of research on my own, I decided to take the leap because I was so self-conscious about my scarring and had tried practically every other technique available with very little or no improvement.

As I said, it's still early in the recovery period to make any judgements on any degree of improvement but I have been healing much quicker (even being 20 years older this time) and was able to go out in public 4 days after the procedure even though it was very, very red but it was all healed over.

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Did you get milia? What did the doctor do?

DId you get a breakout afterwards?

WHAT did it do to ice pick scars(I dont expect dermabrasion to fix it; I just dont want to make it worse.)

Did anyone get bigger pores or orange peel texture?

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I have shallow ice-pick type scarring...my Dr. recommended dermabrasion to level off the surface. (spot dermabrasion) Does this sound right? Or could this make it look worse? Help!

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Hi thanks for the replies

Ebby did Dr Y do your new dermabrasion? Why do you think this one turned out better than the first?

Jenfen,

Yes, Dr. Y did my 2nd dermabrasion. First of all, Dr. Y is much more experienced at this than the first Dr. that did my derma. This time the procedure was pain-free and I have healed so quickly with no scabbing at all; just a few small crusty/flaky spots that went away quickly. During my first procedure years ago, my skin oozed and scabbed for weeks---even when that phase stopped, my skin looked really rough and never did lose the rough texture. Now my skin texture is very smooth, pores seem smaller, etc. As I said before, it's still too early to pass judgement on the final results but I am encouraged so far. I can still see some of the scars but they are ALOT less noticeable; also, I had a couple of raised scars that appear to be totally flattened out at this point.

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Yes, Dr. Y did my 2nd dermabrasion.  First of all, Dr. Y is much more experienced at this than the first Dr. that did my derma. This time the procedure was pain-free and I have healed so quickly with no scabbing at all; just a few small crusty/flaky spots that went away quickly.  During my first procedure years ago, my skin oozed and scabbed for weeks---even when that phase stopped, my skin looked really rough and never did lose the rough texture.  Now my skin texture is very smooth, pores seem smaller, etc.  As I said before, it's still too early to pass judgement on the final results but I am encouraged so far.  I can still see some of the scars but they are ALOT less noticeable; also, I had a couple of raised scars that appear to be totally flattened out at this point.

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Ebby, I'd be very interested into hearing about your long term results.  It sounds like you and I had similar experiences.  I did not scab for my dermabrasion because the doctor applied this transparent dressing.  But my skin on my cheeks is now so rough and ugly.  Although the skin was smooth after my dermabrasion, my pores were noticably enlarged.  I kept getting blackheads/whiteheads that stretched those pores and caused ice pick scars.  This combined with aging (skin sagging) contributed to my orange peel skin.  The only positive thing that I can say is that at least now my skin is pretty much the same color except for one spot of hypopigmentation(ligher skin) after 18 years.  IPL treatments have helped and I am getting ready to try cooltouch laser although after reading about other people's experiences, I don't have too much faith in.  I am also doing punch floats.  I did visit Dr. Y for a consultation about 10-11 years ago and he said my skin wasn't that bad.  It could be because the lady before me made that comment to him and me.  (She was very nice  - her skin was alot worse than mine - she just said - what are you doing here, your skin is not bad  - right Dr. Y?  ..or something to that effect) I can confirm what everyone says about Dr. Y.  He is a very nice person. He told me to call him anytime if I wanted to talk.  Anyway, I was reluctant at that time and even more reluctant now.  I have been through 3 other procedures (not related to skin) that I would do again before dermabrasion.  The recovery was just too long.  Maybe the doctor I went to went too deep.  Before I consider doing this again, I want to be sure that I will see improvement.  (I still get blackheads and whiteheads - cool touch is suppose to shrink the sebaceous glands - we'll see.)

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Ebby,

I think the cooltouch is the same thing as smoothbeam. I have seen cooltouch advertised for active acne. It is supposed to shrink the sebaceous glands. I don't understand how it made your skin more oily. I will try a few treatments and if I don't see improvement, or if I see more oiliness, I'll stop. Did you try punch elevations and subscision prior to smoothbeam?

If I do another dermabrasion I'm afraid that:

1- If I do a partial dermabrasion like I did before, my skin will be two different colors again for a long time.

2- If I do a full face dermabrasion, then the rest of my skin will acquire the orange peel texture. I was advised of this by a doctor that I consulted with for laser resurfacing. I did have several microdermabrasions which did help - but I started to see enlargement of the pores (that weren't previously enlarged) in areas that they were aggressive on.

Did you use accutane for your cystic acne? That temporarily improved my skin texture. But as the years progress, things just seem to get worse. I also noticed significant improvement with IPL treatments. Its just that now I want something that will give me more improvement with long term results. After I complete the punch elevations and cool touch, I may go ahead and look into the face lift. (This was recommended by one dermatologist.) It would be great if they could just excise all of the orange peel type skin and stretch whats left over my face!

Thanks for sharing and happy healing!

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Smoothbeam has been clinically proven as being more effective than the various Cooltouch lasers, for those of you that are keeping score. I don't understand how 8 SBs have made your skin oilier either. I have heard that 1 tx can cause that reaction, but temporarily shrinking your oil glands and then somehow getting more oil seems bizarre. Maybe some sort of crazy hormonal or environmental reasons?

amberkat, when you said:

If I do a full face dermabrasion, then the rest of my skin will acquire the orange peel texture. I was advised of this by a doctor that I consulted with for laser resurfacing.

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Oldguy :The doctor that advised me was referring to laser and not dermabrasion.

However, I can see that resurfacing of any type can have the same results.

The dermabrasion that I had caused my pores to enlarge. I was also not happy about my skin being two different colors. Laser resurfacing became available after the dermabrasion and was touted as being better because the depth of resurfacing could be controlled better than with dermabrasion. I asked my regular dermatologist about having laser resurfacing done. She was in the process of buying the equipment and offering this service to her patients, but she did not want to advise me to do this procedure unless I consulted with the doctor who teaches at the med school and is nationally renown with laser surgery.

I consulted this laser specialist about performing laser resurfacing to even out my skin tone. She told me to "never, ever let anyone put a laser to your face". She added that there are doctors who would but the results would be that all of my skin would have enlarged pores. Until that point, I had not realized that it was definitely the resurfacing of my skin(dermabrasion) that caused the large pores.

I even went home and did a web search and one site stated that dermabrasion would not shink pores but may make them become larger. Years later, the aggressive microdermabrasion on the thinner skin just under my eye socket did the same, except maybe not as bad.

As I said before, after the dermabrasion, my skin did look smooth, but with large pores. Years later, the skin began to sag and instead of large, flat pores, I now have "orange peel" skin. This doctor suggestted that a face lift may help by lifting the skin to make the pores look flat again. She demonstrated by pulling the skin taut and noting how much better the skin looked. She suggested that I may look into this in the future when I had further sagging as I was still young at the time.

She is not a plastic surgeon, so maybe she didn't really understand the full effects of a facelift. She tried to encourage me by telling me that new things were being developed all the time. I don't know if I had any icepick scars at the time, but she never said anything about a facelift correcting scars, just making the skin look better. Either one of these doctors could have taken my money and performed

that surgery and my skin would have been worse instead of better. I wanted someone to tell me they could fix my problem and I would have believed anybody.

I consider this laser specialist to be one of the best doctors that I have ever been to. She was really caring, alot like Dr. Y. , She told me to call her if I wanted to talk just like he had done. She was trying to help me solve my problem without making new ones, and without selling me anything. And as busy as she was, she took her time and removed every single skin tag that I had when my appointment was not really made for that to begin with.

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Ebby,

    I think the cooltouch is the same thing as smoothbeam.  I have seen cooltouch advertised for active acne.  It is supposed to shrink the sebaceous glands.  I don't understand how it made your skin more oily.  I will try a few treatments and if I don't see improvement, or if I see more oiliness, I'll stop.  Did you try punch elevations and subscision prior to smoothbeam? 

If I do another dermabrasion I'm afraid that:

1- If I do a partial dermabrasion like I did before, my skin will be two different colors again for a long time.

2- If I do a full face dermabrasion, then the rest of my skin will acquire the orange peel texture.  I was advised of this by a doctor that I consulted with for laser resurfacing.  I did have several microdermabrasions which did help - but I started to see enlargement of the pores (that weren't previously enlarged) in areas that they were aggressive on. 

Did you use accutane for your cystic acne?  That temporarily improved my skin texture.  But as the years progress, things just seem to get worse.  I also noticed significant improvement with IPL treatments.  Its just that now I want something that will give me more improvement with long term results.  After I complete the punch elevations and cool touch, I may go ahead and look into the face lift. (This was recommended by one dermatologist.)  It would be great if they could just excise all of the orange peel type skin and stretch whats left over my face! 

Thanks for sharing and happy healing!

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Smoothbeam has been clinically proven as being more effective than the various Cooltouch lasers, for those of you that are keeping score. I don't understand how 8 SBs have made your skin oilier either. I have heard that 1 tx can cause that reaction, but temporarily shrinking your oil glands and then somehow getting more oil seems bizarre. Maybe some sort of crazy hormonal or environmental reasons?

Oldguy,

Yep, it is possible that there could be a hormone shift but even so, if the sebacious glands were shrunken/destroyed, how would the oil be produced? I can't figure that one out either... eusa_think.gif I have heard of a few others that have had the same thing happen....puzzling, eh?!

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My dermabrasion was in September...I am now 4 months post.

I only had my cheeks dermabraded and I did have a bad bout with milia. I did self extractions to remove them. I still get some milia, but it is much better than it was! I had a peel done at the PS office that did my derm.

I have had some breakouts too. I had only an occasional breakout before the derm. The breakouts have calmed down now, but still have a few.

I have one small ice pick -reamined the same.

My pores are not larger and I have no orange peel texture.

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1. Yes I had milia after all of my dermabrasions. My doctor showed me how to self extract and I had no further problems. Retin-A products can also help prevent their formation.

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shock.gif  Misty, aren't retin-A products damaging if used soon after dermabrasion? Or do you mean to use them on whiteheads in the long term, after the dermabrasion?

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Really Anne Marie? I was told I could use it until the very last minute of dermabrasion, and restart it when I felt it wasn't irritating my skin.

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Well, I did it, I did it. I schedule my dermabrasion for April the 11th. I am so excited.

The only negative thing is that it is going to put me in debt. With my punch float trip in March and my derm. in April I am expecting to pay around $6,400. I wanted to have another derm. by the end of the year but that is going to be highly unlikely considering the cost.

I will keep everyone posted. As far as photos, I do not have a digital camera or a scanner so I am unsure if I am going to post anything. I would love to buy a digital camera but I am on such a tight budget that I can not afford it.

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Hey want perfect skin,

well i'm probably going to be around there at the same time, thing is i'm having a hard time planning all out.

I'm going for floats in march and then dermabrasion on april, so i need to fly over there in march for consulation and floats then take a bus/plain/train to florida wich is where i'll be staying until april, then take a plain/bus/train to New Orleans for my dermabrasion, then back to Florida to recover just so i can stay in the states if i have any complications.

Talk about a journey.

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