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I posted my acne scar journey with all treatments detailed from 2017-2021 but I never got to show the pictures I took over the years. So this thread is all the pictures I took and kept.... beginning with my scars at their most organic level to my remodeled scars now. 
 

Some photos are during or a few days after procedures such as the white frosting from TCA cross or the crusting after an Infini procedure.

A lot of time, pain and money was spend. A lot of tears. But I also enjoyed life in between. It is after all these years that I get to see the true progress of all those procedures. I encourage you to take photos often to document your skins transformation otherwise you won’t truly know how far you have come. 
 

I’m still on my journey. But a lot more of me has grown from this experience. My entire self esteem is not tied to my scars anymore. I don’t say “woe is me!” and envy those models in the magazine with glass skin... no no no. I don’t waste precious time like that anymore. I’m much more grounded and accepting of the things I cannot control and I don’t see my appearance as the end all be all. Not to toot my own horn, but I think I have more to offer this world and the people around me than the scars on my face, and so do you. My scars are here, yes, and forever probably, and that’s perfectly okay. I accept this. And I accept any improvement and self-care as well but I’m not dying by the sword to have smooth skin as I once used to be, perhaps because after all this I realized my scars aren’t flaws, they are just scars. So don’t give up your life and your happiness because you have scars. I don’t think life is meant to be this way, to fixate on your flaws and be upset. We’re just here for a short time to experience this wild floating sphere in the middle of the universe. Enjoy it. 

Please feel free to ask me questions or leave a comment. I hope my transparency and this journey of mine helps you in some way. 

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Can you please name approximate price you paid for all these treatments during 2017-2021?

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2 hours ago, suvvolo said:

in your opinion, how % improvements did you have? In my opinion, 60/70%

Yes looking back at the photos it definitely seems like around 60%. It’s wild because the last few pictures were in late 2019 which I felt I had not progressed much. But it wasn’t until a year later where I felt I actually improved a lot. I would say 50% improvement, I still have to take 3 month progress pictures for the treatment I did in March of 2021 (erbium). I’ll take them in two weeks. 

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3 hours ago, Lany said:

Can you please name approximate price you paid for all these treatments during 2017-2021?

Yes. 
 

2017-2020:  microneedling at home from 2.0 - 3.5 mm (device cost $50 and the cartridges were I think 50 pieces for $20) I used to microneedle every week (crazy) to make the swelling appear and my scars “disappear”. I didn’t realize that I was actually causing more damage to my tissue than I realized. So please microneedle if you know what you are doing and if the science backs it. I’m suspicious of microneedling now that I feel I was injuring my skin and causing it to never really heal. 
 

2017: I visited my first dermatologist who suggested I be placed on two acne control prescriptions such as AcZone and Fabior. Fabior is the brand name for tarozartene that I use till this day because it works. Both products are $1000 each, I had no insurance. I now get the generic version of tarozartene which is $80 for 30g or $180 for 60g, something like that. Use GoodRX to get a better discount. Or if you have insurance, might be better priced. Tarozartene is probably the best thing that ever happened to my skin because it took away all my acne and even my premature wrinkles I had at the time on my forehead. There is not one single wrinkle on my face. It’s more powerful than tretenoin (retin-a), turns cells over much faster, which means new skin is being made faster and dead skin is shredding faster. I think it helped remodel my scars even more. Look into it. 
 

2017: (1) Fraxel laser $500; I was supposed to get five more at $500 but I decided to go to another doctor for another treatment because I had a bad experience with the doctor that did Fraxel (unprofessional manner). 
 

2017: subcision $700; the picture with the white bandages was my first subcision. It was nokor needle. No filler. The doctor was okay. I did hear a lot of pops. My face was swollen and bruised for a week or two. 
 

2018: (2) vi peels $300 each; it did nothing, waste of money. 
 

2018: revanese filler $700; doctor wanted to place bellafill and sand my skin down, I refused because my intuition said that wasn’t the way. I didn’t think I needed something permanent nor does anyone else. My opinion. I felt the doctor was poorly equipped and inexperienced when it came to scars.
 

2018: (1) secret rf with subcision with a physician assistant $1300 (I was scammed; nobody should pay this for this treatment). Bad experience with this physician assistant, I wasn’t numbed. Never went back. 
 

2018: TCA cross at home $20 (80%) I regret this because I dripped it too much on a few scars and it expanded them and made them worse. Don’t use TCA at home please. I’m only adding this to tell you to let a knowledgeable doctor perform TCA. I still see the damage I did with TCA and regret it. 

2019: (4) Infini fr; package deal. It was $500 each (edit: not $950 for all four; false memory). I negotiated with the physician assistant who was trying to charge me $950 for one Infini treatment but I won. I simply said I was a college student and had no funds and that I knew Infini wasn’t going to be my final miracle treatment (doctors like to say that “THIS IS THE ONLY TREATMENT YOU EVER NEED” when it’s not; they just want your money). Meds for anti-viral and antibiotics were $10 each, no insurance. Use goodrx. 
 

2019: erbium laser $600; it took me a long time to convince physician assistant to do one pass with high strength (I emailed medical journals and explained why I felt it could help the scars) and it took me a while to convince to do it at $600. She compromise with wanting to use my pictures for her website to attract new clients, so yeah I had to bend a little too but I told her to leave my eyes pixelated or block them so that my identity wasn’t just on her website (I’m a privacy freak). I had to use hydroquinone before treatment and after because she feared I’d hyperpigment. 
 

march 2021: erbium laser $600; same specialist. Erbium with one pass. 
 

I moved two cities away from this laser specialist so I’d either have to find a new doctor/specialist for my future treatments or continue going to her. I haven’t decided yet. But all I know is I’m not paying more than fair market value for the treatment I want. Always negotiate hard, walk away if the numbers don’t match up. I had a doctor try to charge me $1500 for Co2 laser, thank god I never did it because that doctor ended up being sued for malpractice. Another doctor recently tried to charge me $3000 for ONE erbium laser treatment and said “this might be the only one you ever need” ethos appeal. Walk away if it’s not right. 

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1 hour ago, Wish we could go back in time said:

Which treatments gave you the best results in your opinion? And how many sessions till you saw visible results?

To be frank, I don’t think that I know this. I don’t know what was the spark that finally lit the fire. I will say that I felt erbium reduced the appearance of my scars by a drastic amount. But perhaps subcision and Infini helped but I think Infini was quite underwhelming. Erbium and Co2 is what the science talks about a lot. It’s just Co2 is less profit for doctors and also the risk of a bad reaction for darker skin types (doctors don’t want to be sued). But I feel Co2 is the best weapon from what the studies show. It’s just that the doctors are driven by profit and we as acne scar suffers end up at a disadvantage. I’m quite frustrated with it all. These doctors maximize profits over maximizing patients need. But these machines lay there in the office that they rent/buy to use for $400,000 grand so they have to make a sale, even if it’s below their desired price, negotiate and call them out on their bull crap, they will actually start to give you what you need if you get serious and educated enough. Or at least this is what I think, so I press them a lot. They also cut corners with lidocaine numbing, they rather give you Xanax and Percocet and potentially get  you addicted to the drug than to pay extra on their side. This is the new thing I’m seeing. It’s cut expenses and raise profits no matter what it does to the patient. Sorry, I’m just angry. 

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1 minute ago, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

To be frank, I don’t think that I know this. I don’t know what was the spark that finally lit the fire. I will say that I felt erbium reduced the appearance of my scars by a drastic amount. But perhaps subcision and Infini helped but I think Infini was quite underwhelming. Erbium and Co2 is what the science talks about a lot. It’s just Co2 is less profit for doctors and also the risk of a bad reaction for darker skin types (doctors don’t want to be sued). But I feel Co2 is the best weapon from what the studies show. It’s just that the doctors are driven by profit and we as acne scar suffers end up at a disadvantage. I’m quite frustrated with it all. These doctors maximize profits over maximizing patients need. But these machines lay there in the office that they rent/buy to use for $400,000 grand so they have to make a sale, even if it’s below their desired price, negotiate and call them out on their bull crap, they will actually start to give you what you need if you get serious and educated enough. Or at least this is what I think, so I press them a lot. They also cut corners with lidocaine numbing, they rather give you Xanax and Percocet and potentially get  you addicted to the drug than to pay extra on their side. This is the new thing I’m seeing. It’s cut expenses and raise profits no matter what it does to the patient. Sorry, I’m just angry. 

I feel you, been in this journey for a year now and still haven't seen visible improvement, such a disappointment, they really don't understand how we feel. But u said u got improvement 1 year later, so u keep getting improvement overtime even if u had treatment 1 year ago or when do u actually see the final results from a treatment?

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1 minute ago, Wish we could go back in time said:

I feel you, been in this journey for a year now and still haven't seen visible improvement, such a disappointment, they really don't understand how we feel. But u said u got improvement 1 year later, so u keep getting improvement overtime even if u had treatment 1 year ago or when do u actually see the final results from a treatment?

Correct. I didn’t see that major improvement in my skin until maybe about 5 months ago. And I looked at my older scar photos and saw just how far I came. Always take pictures. Unfortunately all my photos are at different lighting and different years but that’s all I got. 

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5 hours ago, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

Yes. 
 

2017-2020:  microneedling at home from 2.0 - 3.5 mm (device cost $50 and the cartridges were I think 50 pieces for $20) I used to microneedle every week (crazy) to make the swelling appear and my scars “disappear”. I didn’t realize that I was actually causing more damage to my tissue than I realized. So please microneedle if you know what you are doing and if the science backs it. I’m suspicious of microneedling now that I feel I was injuring my skin and causing it to never really heal. 
 

2017: I visited my first dermatologist who suggested I be placed on two acne control prescriptions such as AcZone and Fabior. Fabior is the brand name for tarozartene that I use till this day because it works. Both products are $1000 each, I had no insurance. I now get the generic version of tarozartene which is $80 for 30g or $180 for 60g, something like that. Use GoodRX to get a better discount. Or if you have insurance, might be better priced. Tarozartene is probably the best thing that ever happened to my skin because it took away all my acne and even my premature wrinkles I had at the time on my forehead. There is not one single wrinkle on my face. It’s more powerful than tretenoin (retin-a), turns cells over much faster, which means new skin is being made faster and dead skin is shredding faster. I think it helped remodel my scars even more. Look into it. 
 

2017: (1) Fraxel laser $500; I was supposed to get five more at $500 but I decided to go to another doctor for another treatment because I had a bad experience with the doctor that did Fraxel (unprofessional manner). 
 

2017: subcision $700; the picture with the white bandages was my first subcision. It was nokor needle. No filler. The doctor was okay. I did hear a lot of pops. My face was swollen and bruised for a week or two. 
 

2018: (2) vi peels $300 each; it did nothing, waste of money. 
 

2018: revanese filler $700; doctor wanted to place bellafill and sand my skin down, I refused because my intuition said that wasn’t the way. I didn’t think I needed something permanent nor does anyone else. My opinion. I felt the doctor was poorly equipped and inexperienced when it came to scars.
 

2018: (1) secret rf with subcision with a physician assistant $1300 (I was scammed; nobody should pay this for this treatment). Bad experience with this physician assistant, I wasn’t numbed. Never went back. 
 

2018: TCA cross at home $20 (80%) I regret this because I dripped it too much on a few scars and it expanded them and made them worse. Don’t use TCA at home please. I’m only adding this to tell you to let a knowledgeable doctor perform TCA. I still see the damage I did with TCA and regret it. 

2019: (4) Infini fr; package deal. It was $500 each (edit: not $950 for all four; false memory). I negotiated with the physician assistant who was trying to charge me $950 for one Infini treatment but I won. I simply said I was a college student and had no funds and that I knew Infini wasn’t going to be my final miracle treatment (doctors like to say that “THIS IS THE ONLY TREATMENT YOU EVER NEED” when it’s not; they just want your money). Meds for anti-viral and antibiotics were $10 each, no insurance. Use goodrx. 
 

2019: erbium laser $600; it took me a long time to convince physician assistant to do one pass with high strength (I emailed medical journals and explained why I felt it could help the scars) and it took me a while to convince to do it at $600. She compromise with wanting to use my pictures for her website to attract new clients, so yeah I had to bend a little too but I told her to leave my eyes pixelated or block them so that my identity wasn’t just on her website (I’m a privacy freak). I had to use hydroquinone before treatment and after because she feared I’d hyperpigment. 
 

march 2021: erbium laser $600; same specialist. Erbium with one pass. 
 

I moved two cities away from this laser specialist so I’d either have to find a new doctor/specialist for my future treatments or continue going to her. I haven’t decided yet. But all I know is I’m not paying more than fair market value for the treatment I want. Always negotiate hard, walk away if the numbers don’t match up. I had a doctor try to charge me $1500 for Co2 laser, thank god I never did it because that doctor ended up being sued for malpractice. Another doctor recently tried to charge me $3000 for ONE erbium laser treatment and said “this might be the only one you ever need” ethos appeal. Walk away if it’s not right. 

You should mention this doctor. $3,000 for an Erbium treatment is stupid. That's Dr. Emer territory, and we all know he's the worst with pricing. 

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I think your scars are rolling now, and probably hardly anyone would pay any more attention to them. You solved your life in my opinion.

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14 hours ago, suvvolo said:

I think your scars are rolling now, and probably hardly anyone would pay any more attention to them. You solved your life in my opinion.

 

I appreciate your comment. They appear that way. My goal would be to get at least two strong lasers a year to trigger collagen formation and continue remodeling the scars on top. It looks like the scars are more surface level minus the one on my right cheek that has one medium boxcar scar and also on my left cheek there is two smaller boxcar sized near my ear. I hope three years from now my scars are even more remodeled. I truly believe it’s possible and yeah I might too optimistic and delusional. I’ll keep posting here to document it all. 
 

Either way, I am happy. If my scars don’t remodel anymore or if they do, I’m happy. Yeah, I have my insecure moments but I talk myself out of it because... why waste precious time? I’ll be elderly before I know it and then it all doesn’t quite matter anymore... my regrets as an elder would be that I didn’t enjoy my life like I could have because I focused so much on the scars and I think that’s much worse than just about anything. I’ve never had anyone that loved me and is important to me mention my scars, people don’t look at us like we look at ourselves. They look at the entire whole part of us, in this scope the scars are less than 1% of the entire whole. Think about it! Would you focus on the dim twinkle of a few stars in the universe? No! So much of the universe is too grand and important to waste, when it’s this big there is no flaws to truly note. This is my little philosophical rant for the day. 
 

My motive for being here is that I’m (1) saddened by people saying dark things about their life because of their scars and (2) I’m a loner and enjoy a conversation now and then. If I can spark joy or a change in attitude or even give my two cents, I am fulfilled.  

17 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:

You should mention this doctor. $3,000 for an Erbium treatment is stupid. That's Dr. Emer territory, and we all know he's the worst with pricing. 

The doctor was a notable plastic surgeon who tried to “dabble” in everything that was profitable, mentioning the name wouldn’t produce any value. Also, I’m a private one. 

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@Dontgiveupitsonlyscars

wow, thank you, very detailed response.

I'm using micro-needling at home, doing around 2.5, depends on the part of the face, once or few times monthly. I went through owndoc website, it explained there that your skin needs time to heal. I'm using tazorac too, 0.1 gel, unfortunately didn't help much with acne. I think it is great for scars and post acne, however need to be careful with that. Skin is very fragile on it and picking can cause extra scarring. I believe I got few scars on tazorac, because I had cystic acne at that period of time and was picking. But even without picking, you know, deep acne can cause scarring, so not sure here. Regarding TCA at home I was always too scared to use high concentration.

 

Great prices for Laser and Infinity!! I'm nervous to go to any Doctor, I'm afraid they will do things worse, cause more damage. Top Doctors charge higher prices, but you have confidence, they don't screw up.

I live in California, so prices are much higher for everything, even with no top Doctors.

 

I agree with you, scar suffers need more than 1 or 2 treatments usually,  it is crazy how much most places try to charge for one treatment only. 

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9 hours ago, Lany said:

@Dontgiveupitsonlyscars

wow, thank you, very detailed response.

I'm using micro-needling at home, doing around 2.5, depends on the part of the face, once or few times monthly. I went through owndoc website, it explained there that your skin needs time to heal. I'm using tazorac too, 0.1 gel, unfortunately didn't help much with acne. I think it is great for scars and post acne, however need to be careful with that. Skin is very fragile on it and picking can cause extra scarring. I believe I got few scars on tazorac, because I had cystic acne at that period of time and was picking. But even without picking, you know, deep acne can cause scarring, so not sure here. Regarding TCA at home I was always too scared to use high concentration.

 

Great prices for Laser and Infinity!! I'm nervous to go to any Doctor, I'm afraid they will do things worse, cause more damage. Top Doctors charge higher prices, but you have confidence, they don't screw up.

I live in California, so prices are much higher for everything, even with no top Doctors.

 

I agree with you, scar suffers need more than 1 or 2 treatments usually,  it is crazy how much most places try to charge for one treatment only. 

Oh, sorry to hear about your experience with using tarozarc. Yes, when I first started using tarozarc mg skin purged for three months, I didn’t pick it though. Now, my skin can’t live without tarozarc it seems like... if I don’t use it for three days my skin gets crazy with acne. My skin is probably addicted. I have a lot of sebum production (very oily glands everywhere) and the tarozarc seems to expose my skin more so that nothing gets stuck. We are all built differently, so at least you found out you don’t tolerate tarozarc well. I workout a lot so I break out on my back in a few spots and it’s because my skin produces so much sebum, oil and sweat that it can’t breathe. I found that taking a shower immediately after a workout reduces the chances of a breakout on my back but I still get a few just from the fact that I’m sweating. Oh well, can’t win them all. 
 

Yes cali is very high priced. If it were me, I’d probably drive to Nevada or Arizona for a decently priced treatment with a knowledgeable doctor. I just can’t stand doctors that charge 300% above fair market value for a treatment I will have to get repeatedly with results being very minimal at best. Overtime the better results might appear but paying too much would affect me greatly. But these doctors are in high demand due to marketing or word of mouth, that’s why they charge so much. Ahhh, I don’t know, I get quite cynical when the prices are ridiculously inflated. 

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On 5/24/2021 at 6:25 PM, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

To be frank, I don’t think that I know this. I don’t know what was the spark that finally lit the fire. I will say that I felt erbium reduced the appearance of my scars by a drastic amount. But perhaps subcision and Infini helped but I think Infini was quite underwhelming. Erbium and Co2 is what the science talks about a lot. It’s just Co2 is less profit for doctors and also the risk of a bad reaction for darker skin types (doctors don’t want to be sued). But I feel Co2 is the best weapon from what the studies show. It’s just that the doctors are driven by profit and we as acne scar suffers end up at a disadvantage. I’m quite frustrated with it all. These doctors maximize profits over maximizing patients need. But these machines lay there in the office that they rent/buy to use for $400,000 grand so they have to make a sale, even if it’s below their desired price, negotiate and call them out on their bull crap, they will actually start to give you what you need if you get serious and educated enough. Or at least this is what I think, so I press them a lot. They also cut corners with lidocaine numbing, they rather give you Xanax and Percocet and potentially get  you addicted to the drug than to pay extra on their side. This is the new thing I’m seeing. It’s cut expenses and raise profits no matter what it does to the patient. Sorry, I’m just angry. 

Can you tell me the doctor who performed erbium laser and what laser settings were used?

also can you share the medical journal with single pass high setting for erbium?

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10 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

Can you tell me the doctor who performed erbium laser and what laser settings were used?

also can you share the medical journal with single pass high setting for erbium?

The “doctor” was a physician assistant and she was a dime of dozen. Not that she did a bad job, but that the job anyone with training can do it (my opinion). Yes, I’ll link the journals 

 

#1 Co2 and ethnic skin https://www.skinlaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Single-pass-CO2-Laser-Skin-Resurfacing-of-Light-and-Dark-Skin-Extended-Experience-with-52-patients.pdf

#2 Co2 on ethic skin and it shows results of low hyperpigmentation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3870213/

 

#3 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=co2+laser+skin+resurfacing+ethnic+acne+scar+&hl=en&as_sdt=0,10&scioq=co2+laser+acne+scars+dark+skin

 

here is one on co2 fractional ablative vs. non-ablative https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5775953/#!po=39.2857

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On 5/24/2021 at 6:09 PM, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

Yes. 
 

2017-2020:  microneedling at home from 2.0 - 3.5 mm (device cost $50 and the cartridges were I think 50 pieces for $20) I used to microneedle every week (crazy) to make the swelling appear and my scars “disappear”. I didn’t realize that I was actually causing more damage to my tissue than I realized. So please microneedle if you know what you are doing and if the science backs it. I’m suspicious of microneedling now that I feel I was injuring my skin and causing it to never really heal. 
 

2017: I visited my first dermatologist who suggested I be placed on two acne control prescriptions such as AcZone and Fabior. Fabior is the brand name for tarozartene that I use till this day because it works. Both products are $1000 each, I had no insurance. I now get the generic version of tarozartene which is $80 for 30g or $180 for 60g, something like that. Use GoodRX to get a better discount. Or if you have insurance, might be better priced. Tarozartene is probably the best thing that ever happened to my skin because it took away all my acne and even my premature wrinkles I had at the time on my forehead. There is not one single wrinkle on my face. It’s more powerful than tretenoin (retin-a), turns cells over much faster, which means new skin is being made faster and dead skin is shredding faster. I think it helped remodel my scars even more. Look into it. 
 

2017: (1) Fraxel laser $500; I was supposed to get five more at $500 but I decided to go to another doctor for another treatment because I had a bad experience with the doctor that did Fraxel (unprofessional manner). 
 

2017: subcision $700; the picture with the white bandages was my first subcision. It was nokor needle. No filler. The doctor was okay. I did hear a lot of pops. My face was swollen and bruised for a week or two. 
 

2018: (2) vi peels $300 each; it did nothing, waste of money. 
 

2018: revanese filler $700; doctor wanted to place bellafill and sand my skin down, I refused because my intuition said that wasn’t the way. I didn’t think I needed something permanent nor does anyone else. My opinion. I felt the doctor was poorly equipped and inexperienced when it came to scars.
 

2018: (1) secret rf with subcision with a physician assistant $1300 (I was scammed; nobody should pay this for this treatment). Bad experience with this physician assistant, I wasn’t numbed. Never went back. 
 

2018: TCA cross at home $20 (80%) I regret this because I dripped it too much on a few scars and it expanded them and made them worse. Don’t use TCA at home please. I’m only adding this to tell you to let a knowledgeable doctor perform TCA. I still see the damage I did with TCA and regret it. 

2019: (4) Infini fr; package deal. It was $500 each (edit: not $950 for all four; false memory). I negotiated with the physician assistant who was trying to charge me $950 for one Infini treatment but I won. I simply said I was a college student and had no funds and that I knew Infini wasn’t going to be my final miracle treatment (doctors like to say that “THIS IS THE ONLY TREATMENT YOU EVER NEED” when it’s not; they just want your money). Meds for anti-viral and antibiotics were $10 each, no insurance. Use goodrx. 
 

2019: erbium laser $600; it took me a long time to convince physician assistant to do one pass with high strength (I emailed medical journals and explained why I felt it could help the scars) and it took me a while to convince to do it at $600. She compromise with wanting to use my pictures for her website to attract new clients, so yeah I had to bend a little too but I told her to leave my eyes pixelated or block them so that my identity wasn’t just on her website (I’m a privacy freak). I had to use hydroquinone before treatment and after because she feared I’d hyperpigment. 
 

march 2021: erbium laser $600; same specialist. Erbium with one pass. 
 

I moved two cities away from this laser specialist so I’d either have to find a new doctor/specialist for my future treatments or continue going to her. I haven’t decided yet. But all I know is I’m not paying more than fair market value for the treatment I want. Always negotiate hard, walk away if the numbers don’t match up. I had a doctor try to charge me $1500 for Co2 laser, thank god I never did it because that doctor ended up being sued for malpractice. Another doctor recently tried to charge me $3000 for ONE erbium laser treatment and said “this might be the only one you ever need” ethos appeal. Walk away if it’s not

 

how high was the setting for erbium laser in your case and also you saw improvement after a year or is it that it was gradually making improvement over time.

On 6/14/2021 at 9:23 PM, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

The “doctor” was a physician assistant and she was a dime of dozen. Not that she did a bad job, but that the job anyone with training can do it (my opinion). Yes, I’ll link the journals 

 

#1 Co2 and ethnic skin https://www.skinlaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Single-pass-CO2-Laser-Skin-Resurfacing-of-Light-and-Dark-Skin-Extended-Experience-with-52-patients.pdf

#2 Co2 on ethic skin and it shows results of low hyperpigmentation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3870213/

 

#3 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=co2+laser+skin+resurfacing+ethnic+acne+scar+&hl=en&as_sdt=0,10&scioq=co2+laser+acne+scars+dark+skin

 

here is one on co2 fractional ablative vs. non-ablative https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5775953/#!po=39.2857

I meant the study where erbium was used, this seems all co2 laser studies.

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My apologies if it's been mentioned already, but how soon after did you notice the results of erbium? Was it well after all the swelling went down? What would you estimate your improvement from the erbium sessions?

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17 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

 

how high was the setting for erbium laser in your case and also you saw improvement after a year or is it that it was gradually making improvement over time.

I meant the study where erbium was used, this seems all co2 laser studies.

I didn’t read erbium laser studies until the specialist recommended it to me as a replacement for Co2 laser. I don’t know if you read my other thread of my scar journey (I only have two; this one and my main one) but I mentioned that I was seeking Co2 laser one pass and I asked my specialist to do it. After a long debate and showing medical journals, she offered instead to try erbium laser, to reduce the chances of hyperpigmentation as I am “ethnic skin type”. She was right that erbium was good. I got two erbiums since then. To be frank, I don’t know the strengths but I do know that it was aggressive. I even took pictures of my healing from erbium laser and documented here. 

If you want to find relevant studies on erbium laser, go to Google scholar and type in the keywords such as “erbium laser” or “YAG laser” or “erbium acne scars” and you should see plenty of studies pop up. 
 

if you don’t know how to get to Google scholar, go on a search engine and type in “Google scholar” and click on the link displayed. Its a simply search engine for educational works such as studies, books, legal info and other resources usually published by academics/labs. 

10 hours ago, LivingWithFaith said:

My apologies if it's been mentioned already, but how soon after did you notice the results of erbium? Was it well after all the swelling went down? What would you estimate your improvement from the erbium sessions?

So, with erbium I started noticing results only after looking back on my photos that I had taken previously. I would say a solid three months after a procedure is the general rule of thumb to see how your skin has improved. For myself, the only way I can assess progress is by taking pictures constantly before and after procedure. You need a tool, in this case a camera, to measure objective progress. The one major problem with taking pictures is that it’s not always under the same lighting or the same angle or the same focus of the camera but it’s enough to see measure change. This is my opinion. 

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On 6/16/2021 at 11:12 PM, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:

I didn’t read erbium laser studies until the specialist recommended it to me as a replacement for Co2 laser. I don’t know if you read my other thread of my scar journey (I only have two; this one and my main one) but I mentioned that I was seeking Co2 laser one pass and I asked my specialist to do it. After a long debate and showing medical journals, she offered instead to try erbium laser, to reduce the chances of hyperpigmentation as I am “ethnic skin type”. She was right that erbium was good. I got two erbiums since then. To be frank, I don’t know the strengths but I do know that it was aggressive. I even took pictures of my healing from erbium laser and documented here. 

If you want to find relevant studies on erbium laser, go to Google scholar and type in the keywords such as “erbium laser” or “YAG laser” or “erbium acne scars” and you should see plenty of studies pop up. 
 

if you don’t know how to get to Google scholar, go on a search engine and type in “Google scholar” and click on the link displayed. Its a simply search engine for educational works such as studies, books, legal info and other resources usually published by academics/labs. 

So, with erbium I started noticing results only after looking back on my photos that I had taken previously. I would say a solid three months after a procedure is the general rule of thumb to see how your skin has improved. For myself, the only way I can assess progress is by taking pictures constantly before and after procedure. You need a tool, in this case a camera, to measure objective progress. The one major problem with taking pictures is that it’s not always under the same lighting or the same angle or the same focus of the camera but it’s enough to see measure change. This is my opinion. 

Thanks for an in depth response. I am pretty sure you and we all are contributing to this community arming people with knowledge. If you don’t mind me asking how did you view your scars 1 to 5 months post your 1st erbium laser. Just want to understand that.

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