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Before and After Photos (Microneedling PRP, RF Microneedling, Subcision, CO2 Laser)

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2 hours ago, myhojpoj said:

In the past 2 years I've had 11 treatments for my acne scarring with 3 different doctors.513874707_Group1.png.5da625c450f361043655c48af1f79fc0.png

Doctor 1: I first tried 3 microneedling with PRP sessions a month apart each. The Before photo is after I finished those but you can trust me that they had no effect or negative effect.

Doctor 2: I then tried 6 RF microneedling (Genius) treatments 6 weeks apart. After A is after 3 sessions. After B is after 5 sessions. I think these ultimately had a negative effect. I once watched a video of Dr Weiner explaining that without subcision prior, you risk further tethering pitted scars and fat loss. I also suspect I experienced that because you can see a progression of the hollowing of my center cheek (in front of the two black circles). 

Doctor 3: I then tried 1 subcision and after a week everything went back to how it was. I then did the subcision + fully ablative CO2 laser. After C is 3 months after that last one. My skin is still red and glossy from the treatment. I had no idea how powerful it was.

So here I am with little improvement to show for all the downtime and pain I've gone through. Luckily a lot of it has coincided with lockdown. I use my retinoid regularly as instructed to by my derm to further promote collagenesis and also use the TNS repair serum. I eat my collagen supplements and moisturize. If I had known how misled I'd be all along, I would have traveled to go to the best doctor I could find and gone for subcision+sculptra(+RF microneedling perhaps). The first doctor straight up told me I would see 90% improvement. The second one also suggested something absurd. Both of those plagiarized before and after photos from other sources and passed them off as their own, which I found out by reverse image searching them.

As you can see I do still get a few pimples sometimes and I stay on my antibiotic to keep it as under control as possible. I would have done accutane if I wasn't undergoing these treatments. I'm still very worried about how I'll heal from this last procedure. I have read people stay red forever and this orange peely texture I think I have could be permanent. Putting anything on my skin feels like it doesn't absorb. It feels as if my face is scarred over now and not permeable. But I wait and keep on with my skin routine according to my doctor's instructions.

I'm happy to answer any more questions. We are all battling with these same problems and I just want to add to the bank of information on here so that we can have constructive conversation and ultimately make more informed decisions. I wish you all love, peace, and smooth skin.

PS I encourage everyone who reads this to leave a comment about your thoughts. I feel this forum is dominated by just a few voices, but I would like to hear more. Not that I don't appreciate those few for how dedicated they are, but if there's one thing I've picked up on this journey, it's that no single source has all the answers. I subscribe to a subreddit called tressless for hair loss and everyone speaks up and asks questions and they are coming up with their own theories and trying to fund their own studies. I really think that type of inclusive culture will do us good.

 

 

Thank u very much for sharing this with comunity, how would u rate ur improvement ? Can u share names of ur dr ? How would  u rate improvement ? U wrote little , 10% maybe ? Are u from Europe or Asia or America ? U have fair skin ?

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14 hours ago, Miro said:

Thank u very much for sharing this with comunity, how would u rate ur improvement ? Can u share names of ur dr ? How would  u rate improvement ? U wrote little , 10% maybe ? Are u from Europe or Asia or America ? U have fair skin ?

10% in the depth of my most pitted ones, sure. i do have fair skin so the redness is very apparent. not comfortable with naming the doctors as I think that’s discouraged here.

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I ve been lurking around this forum for some time, now it got more of my attention cause of scarless healing news .

I read online a lot, did my research longer time ago, not only here but also elsewhere on internet, i just read all these experiences of people not only here and when i saw this topic i just had to write something so i created profile here last week.

I ll be 55 in september, have wife , 3 kids, when i was young , 30 years ago there was almost nothing u could do for acne scars . Now it looked like situation has changed so i gave it a try , on my 50th birthday i decided to give myself a gift of improving my acne scars despite my wife was telling me not to do it. Money is not problem for me, so i started this "journey".

First i had three subcision without filler spaced three months - no significant improvement , i switched dr, i had 2 subc with filler as spacer ( juvederm ), some of my rolling scars improved nicely while filler was present, then when filler dissolved improvement was very small. With second dr i tried also TCA CROSS 3 times spaced 8 weeks - about 30-40% improvement, some scars got slightly wider.

Then I tried ( again  with different  doctor ) Infini RF, again three times spaced , always subcision before Infini, 3 months after last Infini I had 8 subc + 3 Infini RF + 3 TCA Cross, as i wrote icepicks improved maybe 30-40%, rolling scars without filler 10-20% maybe, not more, boxcars didnt improve at all in my opinion, maybe they did little, but im not gonna examine my scars under microscope to see if theres 5% improvement.

Then i tried Fractional CO 2 laser, 1st and 2nd was spaced 5 months, 2nd and 3 rd 6 months. Improvement with scars again very small, yes superficial things like some pigment and redness got better but scars maybe 10%. Also laser was biggest challenge for me, despite every bs drs will tell you, redness and discoloration can last 3-4 months , after last laser i got PIH despite i avoided sun like vampire and used SPF50 every day 3 times a day ( only SPF cost me a fortune lol )  and it took almost year to clear, also i got few very small scars after last laser which was most aggresive.

First of all i wanna say, i dont know if this acne scars treatments are all scam or what, but what is avalaible today for acne scars is simply a joke, lots of money lots of downtime very little improvement, drs will bulshit you as hell, they play their tricks with lightning and angle and take your money, then after you dont see any significant improvement they tell you that  you cant expect miracles :-), sure, but when they want your money they promise you life changing results, its just such a scam.Con artists like Gondorff and Hooker are nothing comapred to this dr that sells you this bs.  Dr that performed my laser treatments told me, no wonder you didnt see improvement so far now you will see power of laser !!! When after three session, insane downtime and lot of money spent i told him i dont see power of lase on my scars but in my wallet and of course in healing time, he told me, oh you know acne scars is very challenging condition that its hard to treat :-)))))))))). Its really funny . i just laughed and never came back.

Yes there are people that claim they had very nice improvement , but they are still here , following forum , looking for improvement, why are they still here , when they saw such a great improvement ? I do understand that many people dont wanna share pics online, me neither, im just not comfortable with this, but extraordinary claim must be supported by some evidence, and i dont see that, if u look at some IG or web of "famous" acne scars specialist you hardly find any great results, of course if they play with light and angle you can see miracles :)))))).

Drs should be honest, improvement is possible but its little , limited and not life changing  it comes with great risks, but they promise you 80% improvement despite they must know this is bullshit and they deliver 20% and then when you say you re unhappy with results they  accuse you of being lunetic that has mental problems.

 

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6 hours ago, Iker99 said:

I ve been lurking around this forum for some time, now it got more of my attention cause of scarless healing news .

I read online a lot, did my research longer time ago, not only here but also elsewhere on internet, i just read all these experiences of people not only here and when i saw this topic i just had to write something so i created profile here last week.

I ll be 55 in september, have wife , 3 kids, when i was young , 30 years ago there was almost nothing u could do for acne scars . Now it looked like situation has changed so i gave it a try , on my 50th birthday i decided to give myself a gift of improving my acne scars despite my wife was telling me not to do it. Money is not problem for me, so i started this "journey".

First i had three subcision without filler spaced three months - no significant improvement , i switched dr, i had 2 subc with filler as spacer ( juvederm ), some of my rolling scars improved nicely while filler was present, then when filler dissolved improvement was very small. With second dr i tried also TCA CROSS 3 times spaced 8 weeks - about 30-40% improvement, some scars got slightly wider.

Then I tried ( again  with different  doctor ) Infini RF, again three times spaced , always subcision before Infini, 3 months after last Infini I had 8 subc + 3 Infini RF + 3 TCA Cross, as i wrote icepicks improved maybe 30-40%, rolling scars without filler 10-20% maybe, not more, boxcars didnt improve at all in my opinion, maybe they did little, but im not gonna examine my scars under microscope to see if theres 5% improvement.

Then i tried Fractional CO 2 laser, 1st and 2nd was spaced 5 months, 2nd and 3 rd 6 months. Improvement with scars again very small, yes superficial things like some pigment and redness got better but scars maybe 10%. Also laser was biggest challenge for me, despite every bs drs will tell you, redness and discoloration can last 3-4 months , after last laser i got PIH despite i avoided sun like vampire and used SPF50 every day 3 times a day ( only SPF cost me a fortune lol )  and it took almost year to clear, also i got few very small scars after last laser which was most aggresive.

First of all i wanna say, i dont know if this acne scars treatments are all scam or what, but what is avalaible today for acne scars is simply a joke, lots of money lots of downtime very little improvement, drs will bulshit you as hell, they play their tricks with lightning and angle and take your money, then after you dont see any significant improvement they tell you that  you cant expect miracles :-), sure, but when they want your money they promise you life changing results, its just such a scam.Con artists like Gondorff and Hooker are nothing comapred to this dr that sells you this bs.  Dr that performed my laser treatments told me, no wonder you didnt see improvement so far now you will see power of laser !!! When after three session, insane downtime and lot of money spent i told him i dont see power of lase on my scars but in my wallet and of course in healing time, he told me, oh you know acne scars is very challenging condition that its hard to treat :-)))))))))). Its really funny . i just laughed and never came back.

Yes there are people that claim they had very nice improvement , but they are still here , following forum , looking for improvement, why are they still here , when they saw such a great improvement ? I do understand that many people dont wanna share pics online, me neither, im just not comfortable with this, but extraordinary claim must be supported by some evidence, and i dont see that, if u look at some IG or web of "famous" acne scars specialist you hardly find any great results, of course if they play with light and angle you can see miracles :)))))).

Drs should be honest, improvement is possible but its little , limited and not life changing  it comes with great risks, but they promise you 80% improvement despite they must know this is bullshit and they deliver 20% and then when you say you re unhappy with results they  accuse you of being lunetic that has mental problems.

 

really appreciate you sharing your experience. if i had known what acne would leave me with (how could I have?) I would have done accutane and spent as much money as possible treating every pimple. but i had no guidance on the issue. now I am willing to spend as much as possible to resolve the harder issue and there is seemingly nobody who can actually help. i’ll be honest, i dont feel any of my 3 scar doctors are ethical. i see them do paid promos for products and they dont answer many of my questions. but i have trouble finding any doctor who is ethical. i would pay the right doctor as much as they would want to be there for me, give me top guidance, and of course perform procedures to the best degree. 

 

where else did you read experiences? i have only been able to find this forum but it is really limited.

 

right now the doctor I am most interested in is Dr H in UK. i saw some instagram post where he says he works weekends and nights to provide the best. he has no personal life because he wants to help acne scar sufferers specifically. he seems to just do 2 main things:

* taylor liberator subcision which he claims along with tumescent anesthesia will prevent rebinding of the scars. 

* fully ablative co2 laser after

 

if things cant improve to that 70% mark after another year, though i really need it now, i will be at a breaking point.

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41 minutes ago, myhojpoj said:

really appreciate you sharing your experience. if i had known what acne would leave me with (how could I have?) I would have done accutane and spent as much money as possible treating every pimple. but i had no guidance on the issue. now I am willing to spend as much as possible to resolve the harder issue and there is seemingly nobody who can actually help. i’ll be honest, i dont feel any of my 3 scar doctors are ethical. i see them do paid promos for products and they dont answer many of my questions. but i have trouble finding any doctor who is ethical. i would pay the right doctor as much as they would want to be there for me, give me top guidance, and of course perform procedures to the best degree. 

 

where else did you read experiences? i have only been able to find this forum but it is really limited.

 

right now the doctor I am most interested in is Dr H in UK. i saw some instagram post where he says he works weekends and nights to provide the best. he has no personal life because he wants to help acne scar sufferers specifically. he seems to just do 2 main things:

* taylor liberator subcision which he claims along with tumescent anesthesia will prevent rebinding of the scars. 

* fully ablative co2 laser after

 

if things cant improve to that 70% mark after another year, though i really need it now, i will be at a breaking point.

Yes I know bout Dr H from London, i read bout him, Taylor liberator + Full ablation laser has big risks and potential permanent side effects, however if you have  fair skin and want to try treatment with him, good luck.

I can clearly see he s using different light and angle in his before afters, this is big red flag for me, also i read quite a number of bad reviews, also i read on his instagram some people complain bout results, he attacks everyone very agrresively, so choice is yours.

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10 hours ago, Iker99 said:

I ve been lurking around this forum for some time, now it got more of my attention cause of scarless healing news .

I read online a lot, did my research longer time ago, not only here but also elsewhere on internet, i just read all these experiences of people not only here and when i saw this topic i just had to write something so i created profile here last week.

I ll be 55 in september, have wife , 3 kids, when i was young , 30 years ago there was almost nothing u could do for acne scars . Now it looked like situation has changed so i gave it a try , on my 50th birthday i decided to give myself a gift of improving my acne scars despite my wife was telling me not to do it. Money is not problem for me, so i started this "journey".

First i had three subcision without filler spaced three months - no significant improvement , i switched dr, i had 2 subc with filler as spacer ( juvederm ), some of my rolling scars improved nicely while filler was present, then when filler dissolved improvement was very small. With second dr i tried also TCA CROSS 3 times spaced 8 weeks - about 30-40% improvement, some scars got slightly wider.

Then I tried ( again  with different  doctor ) Infini RF, again three times spaced , always subcision before Infini, 3 months after last Infini I had 8 subc + 3 Infini RF + 3 TCA Cross, as i wrote icepicks improved maybe 30-40%, rolling scars without filler 10-20% maybe, not more, boxcars didnt improve at all in my opinion, maybe they did little, but im not gonna examine my scars under microscope to see if theres 5% improvement.

Then i tried Fractional CO 2 laser, 1st and 2nd was spaced 5 months, 2nd and 3 rd 6 months. Improvement with scars again very small, yes superficial things like some pigment and redness got better but scars maybe 10%. Also laser was biggest challenge for me, despite every bs drs will tell you, redness and discoloration can last 3-4 months , after last laser i got PIH despite i avoided sun like vampire and used SPF50 every day 3 times a day ( only SPF cost me a fortune lol )  and it took almost year to clear, also i got few very small scars after last laser which was most aggresive.

First of all i wanna say, i dont know if this acne scars treatments are all scam or what, but what is avalaible today for acne scars is simply a joke, lots of money lots of downtime very little improvement, drs will bulshit you as hell, they play their tricks with lightning and angle and take your money, then after you dont see any significant improvement they tell you that  you cant expect miracles :-), sure, but when they want your money they promise you life changing results, its just such a scam.Con artists like Gondorff and Hooker are nothing comapred to this dr that sells you this bs.  Dr that performed my laser treatments told me, no wonder you didnt see improvement so far now you will see power of laser !!! When after three session, insane downtime and lot of money spent i told him i dont see power of lase on my scars but in my wallet and of course in healing time, he told me, oh you know acne scars is very challenging condition that its hard to treat :-)))))))))). Its really funny . i just laughed and never came back.

Yes there are people that claim they had very nice improvement , but they are still here , following forum , looking for improvement, why are they still here , when they saw such a great improvement ? I do understand that many people dont wanna share pics online, me neither, im just not comfortable with this, but extraordinary claim must be supported by some evidence, and i dont see that, if u look at some IG or web of "famous" acne scars specialist you hardly find any great results, of course if they play with light and angle you can see miracles :)))))).

Drs should be honest, improvement is possible but its little , limited and not life changing  it comes with great risks, but they promise you 80% improvement despite they must know this is bullshit and they deliver 20% and then when you say you re unhappy with results they  accuse you of being lunetic that has mental problems.

 

I'm sorry you had these results. I have seen numerous cases here on the forum of people who have had good improvements, but with a lead time of at least a year. but honestly I have also seen cases of deterioration. Unfortunately, scar treatments are sometimes also a matter of pure luck.

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On 5/10/2021 at 12:36 PM, Iker99 said:

I ve been lurking around this forum for some time, now it got more of my attention cause of scarless healing news .

I read online a lot, did my research longer time ago, not only here but also elsewhere on internet, i just read all these experiences of people not only here and when i saw this topic i just had to write something so i created profile here last week.

I ll be 55 in september, have wife , 3 kids, when i was young , 30 years ago there was almost nothing u could do for acne scars . Now it looked like situation has changed so i gave it a try , on my 50th birthday i decided to give myself a gift of improving my acne scars despite my wife was telling me not to do it. Money is not problem for me, so i started this "journey".

First i had three subcision without filler spaced three months - no significant improvement , i switched dr, i had 2 subc with filler as spacer ( juvederm ), some of my rolling scars improved nicely while filler was present, then when filler dissolved improvement was very small. With second dr i tried also TCA CROSS 3 times spaced 8 weeks - about 30-40% improvement, some scars got slightly wider.

Then I tried ( again  with different  doctor ) Infini RF, again three times spaced , always subcision before Infini, 3 months after last Infini I had 8 subc + 3 Infini RF + 3 TCA Cross, as i wrote icepicks improved maybe 30-40%, rolling scars without filler 10-20% maybe, not more, boxcars didnt improve at all in my opinion, maybe they did little, but im not gonna examine my scars under microscope to see if theres 5% improvement.

Then i tried Fractional CO 2 laser, 1st and 2nd was spaced 5 months, 2nd and 3 rd 6 months. Improvement with scars again very small, yes superficial things like some pigment and redness got better but scars maybe 10%. Also laser was biggest challenge for me, despite every bs drs will tell you, redness and discoloration can last 3-4 months , after last laser i got PIH despite i avoided sun like vampire and used SPF50 every day 3 times a day ( only SPF cost me a fortune lol )  and it took almost year to clear, also i got few very small scars after last laser which was most aggresive.

First of all i wanna say, i dont know if this acne scars treatments are all scam or what, but what is avalaible today for acne scars is simply a joke, lots of money lots of downtime very little improvement, drs will bulshit you as hell, they play their tricks with lightning and angle and take your money, then after you dont see any significant improvement they tell you that  you cant expect miracles :-), sure, but when they want your money they promise you life changing results, its just such a scam.Con artists like Gondorff and Hooker are nothing comapred to this dr that sells you this bs.  Dr that performed my laser treatments told me, no wonder you didnt see improvement so far now you will see power of laser !!! When after three session, insane downtime and lot of money spent i told him i dont see power of lase on my scars but in my wallet and of course in healing time, he told me, oh you know acne scars is very challenging condition that its hard to treat :-)))))))))). Its really funny . i just laughed and never came back.

Yes there are people that claim they had very nice improvement , but they are still here , following forum , looking for improvement, why are they still here , when they saw such a great improvement ? I do understand that many people dont wanna share pics online, me neither, im just not comfortable with this, but extraordinary claim must be supported by some evidence, and i dont see that, if u look at some IG or web of "famous" acne scars specialist you hardly find any great results, of course if they play with light and angle you can see miracles :)))))).

Drs should be honest, improvement is possible but its little , limited and not life changing  it comes with great risks, but they promise you 80% improvement despite they must know this is bullshit and they deliver 20% and then when you say you re unhappy with results they  accuse you of being lunetic that has mental problems.

 

Man your review is so honest. Sobering but honest. After the treatments you've done if you had to start all over again would you still do them or leave it be? 

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11 hours ago, JPK said:

Man your review is so honest. Sobering but honest. After the treatments you've done if you had to start all over again would you still do them or leave it be? 

I would leave them to be, all what those treatments did was very little for my scarring,  i dont care about money , but the time and energy that you spend for all this nonsese, doctors givu you false hope, if they were at least honest, and also it requires a lot of mental strenght going through this, im sorry to say this but most doctors care about your money they dont care abut you and your scars.

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1 hour ago, Iker99 said:

I would leave them to be, all what those treatments did was very little for my scarring,  i dont care about money , but the time and energy that you spend for all this nonsese, doctors givu you false hope, if they were at least honest, and also it requires a lot of mental strenght going through this, im sorry to say this but most doctors care about your money they dont care abut you and your scars.

you have to consider that age also makes a difference (if I'm not mistaken you said you were over 50); furthermore, the scars that require subcision are the most difficult, because they imply that the breaking of the subcutaneous bands stimulates the production of collagen (so it also depends a lot on your body). while the tca cross, after 3-5 treatments, almost always gives results.

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32 minutes ago, suvvolo said:

you have to consider that age also makes a difference (if I'm not mistaken you said you were over 50); furthermore, the scars that require subcision are the most difficult, because they imply that the breaking of the subcutaneous bands stimulates the production of collagen (so it also depends a lot on your body). while the tca cross, after 3-5 treatments, almost always gives results.

 

I understand what you mean, however doctors knew how old i am, when they were promising results . I live quite active life and i dont look as old as i am :-), lol, i think im really good healer.  Also i saw lot of pictures before after with people over 20, and never saw nothing that would take my breathaway :-) .

I agree best results i had from CROSS , however doctors lie about the fact that widening scars with TCA is ultra super rare, its not, actualy it is something between 15-20 % , thats a lot.  I got 30-40 % improvement from CROSS, widening is not that bad but still ,this is not something you love to see.

Also I agree subcision is  good for rolling scars, but only when filler is in, when it dissolved i still saw some improvement but not so much .

Bottom line, CROSS for Icepicks if you  are willing to take risk, maybe that Phenol doesnt do that widening I read on internet, but i dont know if you can find someone that uses Phenol. Rolling scars cut and fill, boxcars - thats really hard to improve even 20%.

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14 minutes ago, Iker99 said:

I understand what you mean, however doctors knew how old i am, when they were promising results . I live quite active life and i dont look as old as i am :-), lol, i think im really good healer.  Also i saw lot of pictures before after with people over 20, and never saw nothing that would take my breathaway :-) .

I agree best results i had from CROSS , however doctors lie about the fact that widening scars with TCA is ultra super rare, its not, actualy it is something between 15-20 % , thats a lot.  I got 30-40 % improvement from CROSS, widening is not that bad but still ,this is not something you love to see.

Also I agree subcision is  good for rolling scars, but only when filler is in, when it dissolved i still saw some improvement but not so much .

Bottom line, CROSS for Icepicks if you  are willing to take risk, maybe that Phenol doesnt do that widening I read on internet, but i dont know if you can find someone that uses Phenol. Rolling scars cut and fill, boxcars - thats really hard to improve even 20%.

yes I agree. in fact, many doctors put only the photos of patients with the greatest improvements on social networks; and this leads us to think that everyone will have that improvement. but instead they forget to mention that, if you are lucky, you will have the results in the photos.

p.s.: for boxscars edges, tca paint and shouldering with lasers "should" work very well.

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