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are acne scars really forever?

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as we age will they come back? is nothing really worth the money and risk. i.e subcision, laser co2 , dermapen. i get that aging affects this but is it really that determinant that as we age the scars will come back. 

 

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Yes, so far science or medicine if u wish found out nothing how to get rid off em,, improvement is possible , 50% maybe.

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1 hour ago, Miro said:

Yes, so far science or medicine if u wish found out nothing how to get rid off em,, improvement is possible , 50% maybe.

it sucks. temporary improvement only then?

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20 minutes ago, daelz7 said:

it sucks. temporary improvement only then?

Some improvement is permanent some not i d say , it depends , honest dr will tell u more

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Just now, Miro said:

Some improvement is permanent some not i d say , it depends , honest dr will tell u more

very true. its HARD to find an honest one. but yes one of them told me that to me seemed sincere.. that about 70 percent improvement is possible. the ones that sell you on laser treatments from the start , usually those are in it for the money. people dont know what scars do to a person

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1 minute ago, daelz7 said:

very true. its HARD to find an honest one. but yes one of them told me that to me seemed sincere.. that about 70 percent improvement is possible. the ones that sell you on laser treatments from the start , usually those are in it for the money. people dont know what scars do to a person

Did u see improvement with laser ? 

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1 minute ago, Miro said:

Did u see improvement with laser ? 

some , if I would say none that would be a lie. about 10 percent improvement.but nothing major. i did 2 laser treatments, co2 the deka laser. but i would go for subcision first and tca methods befor laser. when you tell them no to laser they get dissappointed, their mood changes. its really a cold world out there. money moves and rules this earth

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17 minutes ago, daelz7 said:

some , if I would say none that would be a lie. about 10 percent improvement.but nothing major. i did 2 laser treatments, co2 the deka laser. but i would go for subcision first and tca methods befor laser. when you tell them no to laser they get dissappointed, their mood changes. its really a cold world out there. money moves and rules this earth

Golden standart for Acne scars fractional CO2 , bla bla bla , even Those studies lie. Did u ask ur dr after 2 sessions of Deka Why theres not 70 % improv but just 10 ?

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7 minutes ago, Miro said:

Golden standart for Acne scars fractional CO2 , bla bla bla , even Those studies lie. Did u ask ur dr after 2 sessions of Deka Why theres not 70 % improv but just 10 ?

it is highly dependent on the person that does it to you. make sure they are experts with the laser. and no that dr wanst reponsive or dilligent. money grabber. but not everyone is like that. hence my comment on finding and honest doctor. it should go like this ...manual procudres like subcision first then lasers and microneedling etc.lasers are almost always last. but first truly get acne under control. i had to go on accutane. so i had to wait a little.

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I’ve had this user name for the past 10 years. Haven’t seen any reason to change it.

This is a depressing topic lol.

Eventually someone will tackle it as engineering problem rather than regenerative medicine. At the end of the day I don’t think people care about hair follicles or sweat glands, as long as you don’t look like Swiss cheese.

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Yes. Even celebrities have acne scars. They have a lot more money than us. If they can't fix it, we probably won't be able to either.

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14 minutes ago, gynoscar said:

Yes. Even celebrities have acne scars. They have a lot more money than us. If they can't fix it, we probably won't be able to either.

hopefully one day that changes

54 minutes ago, Scars4Life said:

I’ve had this user name for the past 10 years. Haven’t seen any reason to change it.

This is a depressing topic lol.

Eventually someone will tackle it as engineering problem rather than regenerative medicine. At the end of the day I don’t think people care about hair follicles or sweat glands, as long as you don’t look like Swiss cheese.

what kind of scarring do you have? sorry

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monomorphic-like scarring can be vanished completely. But it's rare.

 

1 hour ago, gynoscar said:

Yes. Even celebrities have acne scars. They have a lot more money than us. If they can't fix it, we probably won't be able to either.

many of them just don't care.

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I believe they will develop a filler consisting of your stem cells that when injected will program the chain reaction that leads to collagen synthesis. It is a matter of time. It won't be developed with acne scars in mind, oh no, for you see that isn't the big moneymaker. It will be an anti aging with acne scars being a peripheral beneficiary. Right now they are building entire organs straight from scratch via stem cells. Building collagen is child's play.

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24 minutes ago, GuyGaGa said:

I believe they will develop a filler consisting of your stem cells that when injected will program the chain reaction that leads to collagen synthesis. It is a matter of time. It won't be developed with acne scars in mind, oh no, for you see that isn't the big moneymaker. It will be an anti aging with acne scars being a peripheral beneficiary. Right now they are building entire organs straight from scratch via stem cells. Building collagen is child's play.

wow thats amazing. and yes on the money part. funding is required , leveled with income being made and acne scars arent common procedures. the thing or question is when it will happen?

2 hours ago, Candy Says said:

monomorphic-like scarring can be vanished completely. But it's rare.

 

many of them just don't care.

have you seen monomorphic acne scarring vanished? srs question. someone you know?

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1 hour ago, daelz7 said:

have you seen monomorphic acne scarring vanished? srs question. someone you know?

it was me. I had several scars on my temple and after one nokor sub + couple of light peels + tretinoin for several months there is nothing left. I am not making a big deal out of it because I have very severe scars all around my face so I am not focusing on such tiny things. I am not uploading my photos to this forum for some reasons but you can trust me. 

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2 hours ago, Candy Says said:

it was me. I had several scars on my temple and after one nokor sub + couple of light peels + tretinoin for several months there is nothing left. I am not making a big deal out of it because I have very severe scars all around my face so I am not focusing on such tiny things. I am not uploading my photos to this forum for some reasons but you can trust me. 

thats awesome, how long ago was this? so there still holding up?

 

and are the other severe scars no budging or what?

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I had a scar that got I'd say 100% improvement by punch elevation. It was a chicken pox scar, so it was perfectly round and symmetrical, but still...it was very deep. Now I genuinely can't tell exactly where it used to be even when I really try to find it.

I don't think any ablative method can achieve this, though. Never got any noticable improvement from those.

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8 hours ago, SlashStarDead said:

Unfortunately there is no way to completely rid yourself of the scarring. Improvement is possible,  but you can''t get your old skin back

how much improvement would you say is possible?

9 hours ago, freshman said:

I had a scar that got I'd say 100% improvement by punch elevation. It was a chicken pox scar, so it was perfectly round and symmetrical, but still...it was very deep. Now I genuinely can't tell exactly where it used to be even when I really try to find it.

I don't think any ablative method can achieve this, though. Never got any noticable improvement from those.

youre talking about lasers right? no results from them?

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I'm talking mainly about dermabrasions and TCA peels. Never got any results from those and I had them done many times. Subcision also did nothing for me.

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On 4/24/2021 at 12:12 AM, freshman said:

I'm talking mainly about dermabrasions and TCA peels. Never got any results from those and I had them done many times. Subcision also did nothing for me.

what worked? just punch exicison? is it painful.?

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Punch elevations worked, but they can't be done on every type of scar sadly, which is why I'm still struggling with scars. They work mainly on boxcars. It's definitely a lot less painful than dermabrasion, peels, or subcision and I'm going to guess lasers as well. Anesthesia is injected in your face, the pain of that is similar to when you get anesthesia for dental procedures. After that you shouldn't feel much. Goes for both punch excisions and elevations.

Of course, pain is the last thing on my mind here. The thing I was most afraid of when I had these done is that they would fail.

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Improvements, even considerable ones, are possible (and this forum is proof of this). but it is also possible to get worse, so it is important to contact competent specialists, and to consider the risks and benefits. But these improvements require at least 1 year of treatment and healing. On average, 2-3 years of at least 3-5 treatments. Those looking for perfection, however, will be disappointed. Many users have improved and their happiness is quite evident. Personally I think that a normal person, with realistic expectations, would already be very happy with objective improvements of even 30-40%.

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On 4/28/2021 at 11:42 AM, suvvolo said:

Improvements, even considerable ones, are possible (and this forum is proof of this). but it is also possible to get worse, so it is important to contact competent specialists, and to consider the risks and benefits. But these improvements require at least 1 year of treatment and healing. On average, 2-3 years of at least 3-5 treatments. Those looking for perfection, however, will be disappointed. Many users have improved and their happiness is quite evident. Personally I think that a normal person, with realistic expectations, would already be very happy with objective improvements of even 30-40%.

is laser permanent? and yes I know , it takes quite a while for them to improve.

On 4/27/2021 at 5:21 PM, freshman said:

Punch elevations worked, but they can't be done on every type of scar sadly, which is why I'm still struggling with scars. They work mainly on boxcars. It's definitely a lot less painful than dermabrasion, peels, or subcision and I'm going to guess lasers as well. Anesthesia is injected in your face, the pain of that is similar to when you get anesthesia for dental procedures. After that you shouldn't feel much. Goes for both punch excisions and elevations.

Of course, pain is the last thing on my mind here. The thing I was most afraid of when I had these done is that they would fail.

so you didnt do punch exicison?

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