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Phenol cross

Hello, 

A fellow forum member mentioned that Phenol cross is safer than TCX as phenol doesn't widen the scar and causes less pigmentation issues. 

I have fresh indented scars and some raised scars too and I have considered having TCX once the inflammation is 100% gone. But now I am interested in phenol cross, more than ever . 

I've searched the forum but couldn't  find any doctor in Europe who offers phenol. Can you help me if you know someone? I'd be very grateful.

I can travel in Europe to get treatments but I cannot afford to travel to the US easily.  And I'd like to start treating my scars as soon as possible so a doctor in Europe would be great. 

Thank you in advance. 

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Hi

my internet search on phenol cross in Europe so far yielded the following results:

I've found two clinics Skinmed and Skin and Beauty with Dr. med. Clara Boudny Frey in Switzerland. They have learned phenol peels/cross by Dr. Rullan in various workshops. The lady doctor offers subcision and phenol peels/cross.

I just wanted to share with you this information, maybe it could be of interest to somebody who is also more interested in phenol cross than in tcx.

Also, I wanted to ask if you have experience with the clinics/doctor? 

Thank you.

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@JenSteli, according to the "Official Acne Scars Solutions" thread, there are a two in Europe:

Dr Sherer большая каретная улица – Moscow
Dr Harryono Judodihardjo – London

Some of the other doctors in the list may also do it, but you may have to reach out to ask.

As far as I know, only Dr Rullan does it in the States.

Hope that helps!

 

 

 

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Interesting, if I understand this , its the same technique as TCA, its just different "liquid", and u have  same results with less side effects, I dont understand why all dermatologist dont change from TCA to Phenol if this is true.

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Sure it might be safer than TCA but is it as effective? Maybe someone who has done both tca and phenol can comment. 

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4 hours ago, hsd87 said:

Sure it might be safer than TCA but is it as effective? Maybe someone who has done both tca and phenol can comment. 

Phenol cross is the strongest chemical for cross so not every dermatologist feels comfortable. I'm sure the risks are higher with a stronger chemical.

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9 minutes ago, swen said:

Phenol cross is the strongest chemical for cross so not every dermatologist feels comfortable. I'm sure the risks are higher with a stronger chemical.

Strongest chemical but with less side effects? That makes no sense to me. 

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8 hours ago, Miro said:

Interesting, if I understand this , its the same technique as TCA, its just different "liquid", and u have  same results with less side effects, I dont understand why all dermatologist dont change from TCA to Phenol if this is true.

@Miromy thoughts exactly! If there are medical studies dating back to 2014 and 2016 that show that Phenol Cross is as effective as TCX but with less side effects like no scar widening, less pigmentation issues, then why aren't more doctors switching to Phenol? 

@superburritothank you very much for the info about the two doctors. I think travelling to Russia would be like travelling to the US for me, but the doctor in the UK seems interesting. 

Also, thank you for the studies about phenol cross - a really interesting read!

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54 minutes ago, hsd87 said:

Strongest chemical but with less side effects? That makes no sense to me. 

Also good point. Can't Dr. Rullan do a Q&A on his chanel and explain that? :-)

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For those who are interested in phenol cross I can tell you that the Skinmed clinic got back to me and confirmed that Dr. Boudny Frey was a dermatologist in their clinic and now offers phenol cross in her own new clinic Skin and Beauty. So, only one place in Switzerland offering phenol cross, unfortunately.

 

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The doctor in Switzerland doesn't seem to be acne scar specialist. I'd personally go with Dr. J. In London.

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On 11/26/2019 at 9:37 AM, hsd87 said:

Strongest chemical but with less side effects? That makes no sense to me. 

A lot of things in life don't make sense...

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@hsd87 my understanding is that it’s a harder chemical to work with. So if you don’t have a trained person who knows what they are doing than more things can go wrong.

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19 hours ago, superburrito said:

@hsd87 my understanding is that it’s a harder chemical to work with. So if you don’t have a trained person who knows what they are doing than more things can go wrong.

So there is potentially more side effects and at the same time less side effects compared to TCA? lol. 

I've only done TCA once so far at the moment but already two of the scabs ended up joining to make one big scab I.e. potentially a new scar but I'm going to see how it heals first. Not a good start and I dont really want to do TCA next time if something like that is going to happen! Good thing I told the doctor to start with 50% only. 

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@hsd87 they each have different risks. Phenol has less likelihood of of scars joining together. TCA widens the existing scar, so joining is a lot more likely. Phenol doesn’t do this, but of course requires someone trained. Both TCA and Phenol can fuck you up if administered by an untrained person. It just depends on what set of risks you’re comfortable with. 

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12 hours ago, superburrito said:

@hsd87 they each have different risks. Phenol has less likelihood of of scars joining together. TCA widens the existing scar, so joining is a lot more likely. Phenol doesn’t do this, but of course requires someone trained. Both TCA and Phenol can fuck you up if administered by an untrained person. It just depends on what set of risks you’re comfortable with. 

Makes sense. Good thing I know about phenol now thanks to this forum and will probably opt for that next time rather than TCA!

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I am subscriber of Dr Lim s channel, so today i got new video

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDKE-kvFu50

 

, they are talking about Phenol and Rullan and recent studies, 2:10 they start to talk about Phenol and Rullan for a little while, if i understood it correctly, Lim will make a video about Phenol , he is gonna give Phenol a try, and both agree it could be maybe a game changer , so will see.

 

 

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@Mirothanks for the link. Soo interesting. Especially about cannula sub and Genius RF. And Dr. Emil seems so competent and nice. Can't wait to see him.

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