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Other Than Faked Photoshopped Pics, i don't believe there is LEGIT treatment for acne scars

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edit: i saw many people with decent improvements on scars so i don't want to make people desperate about scars so i edited my thread good luck to everyone who will try, i won't.

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I got fillers long time ago and I got little white lumps. They did never fade away. It did not work at all, maybe because I also needed subsicion. 
There are people with great results on that forum. There is always a way to make progress. You won't get your skin from before back, but you can achieve some results, maybe enough to feel good in your own skin. 
Sorry english is not my native language. But please, don't get desperate, and don't make people loose hope either... 
Plus, people that actually are happy with their results mostly don't take time to post reviews. 

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30 minutes ago, Kixhikari said:

I got fillers long time ago and I got little white lumps. They did never fade away. It did not work at all, maybe because I also needed subsicion. 
There are people with great results on that forum. There is always a way to make progress. You won't get your skin from before back, but you can achieve some results, maybe enough to feel good in your own skin. 
Sorry english is not my native language. But please, don't get desperate, and don't make people loose hope either... 
Plus, people that actually are happy with their results mostly don't take time to post reviews. 

sorry i really don't want to make people feel bad but every result thread i read was complaining and hopelessness. if there's no cure everyone would be relieved to be honest. i'm sick of it im sick of scammers which call them docs. as i said if there's successfull review it somehow has the name of a doctor who operated the procedure it's really shady and untrustworthy. i hate grow hair and beard to cover my scars but that's just my destiny i guess Edited by obsessedwithscars

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1 hour ago, obsessedwithscars said:
sorry i really don't want to make people feel bad but every result thread i read was complaining and hopelessness. if there's no cure everyone would be relieved to be honest. i'm sick of it im sick of scammers which call them docs. as i said if there's successfull review it somehow has the name of a doctor who operated the procedure it's really shady and untrustworthy. i hate grow hair and beard to cover my scars but that's just my destiny i guess
Lol at least your can grow your hair to cover it even a little bit. I'm a girl so that's sadly not even an option for me. 
I've read thread where ppl have "cured" their scars themselves (needling, TCA, etc) and doesn't promote any doctors. 
I've myself found great results in the past soften the scars by using gentle peelings. It needs a lot of consistency, efforts, time and patience but acne scars can be improved by different ways I believe. 
It depends on a lot of factors. 
Unfortunately now I have some kind of auto immune problem so scars appears on my face without any acne nor reason and my ability of healing is nearly 0% so I can't try any treatments. 


If you have the possibility to try treatments, why would you not try ? I mean, why you are defeated already ? Every skin is different, and some skins respond really well to treatments. Ask BA and others veterans here, they know a lot. 

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25 minutes ago, Kixhikari said:
Unfortunately now I have some kind of auto immune problem so scars appears on my face without any acne nor reason and my ability of healing is nearly 0% so I can't try any treatments. 
wait i have this problem too. i got scars out of nowhere why is that happens? 

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You're actually right, I totally agree. 
At the moment there is no cure for medium to severe acne scars even though dermatologists love to propose expensive treatments to get easy money out of desperate people. 
Nothing really works for severe scarring, the improvement you can get is futile because it won't change the slightest bit your self esteem (and I get angry when some people say it's not true). 
When it comes to a flaw like acne scars, you either get a very good improvement (at least 70-80%) or your life and self esteem will stay the same, it's money wasted. 
It's like a balding guy that pass from a NW7 to a NW4, some non ethical and non honest people would say "look at you....you improved so much!" but in real life, his life will stay the same and, in doing treatment, he only emptied his wallet. 

When it comes to scars it's the same. 
Only people with minor scarring get good results with the treatments available at the moment, others don't. 

That being said, there are some new treatments being developed right now that may be able to help people with severe acne scarring to change their life and finally gain their self esteem. 
Of course the main one is SkinTE. 
Scarless healing or not, if it can improve severe scarring (not just in the face) by roughly 80% it will be a big thing.
But, as time passes, I'm worried we're years away before SkinTE will be used for acne scars (and this in the best case scenario, which is it works for acne scars....we still don't know it). 

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15 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:

You're actually right, I totally agree. 
At the moment there is no cure for medium to severe acne scars even though dermatologists love to propose expensive treatments to get easy money out of desperate people. 
Nothing really works for severe scarring, the improvement you can get is futile because it won't change the slightest bit your self esteem (and I get angry when some people say it's not true). 
When it comes to a flaw like acne scars, you either get a very good improvement (at least 70-80%) or your life and self esteem will stay the same, it's money wasted. 
It's like a balding guy that pass from a NW7 to a NW4, some non ethical and non honest people would say "look at you....you improved so much!" but in real life, his life will stay the same and, in doing treatment, he only emptied his wallet. 

When it comes to scars it's the same. 
Only people with minor scarring get good results with the treatments available at the moment, others don't. 

That being said, there are some new treatments being developed right now that may be able to help people with severe acne scarring to change their life and finally gain their self esteem. 
Of course the main one is SkinTE. 
Scarless healing or not, if it can improve severe scarring (not just in the face) by roughly 80% it will be a big thing.
But, as time passes, I'm worried we're years away before SkinTE will be used for acne scars (and this in the best case scenario, which is it works for acne scars....we still don't know it). 

I thought you were happy with the subcision done by Dr Chu? Edited by Noa27

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21 minutes ago, Noa27 said:
I thought you were happy with the subcision done by Dr Chu?
Subcision treated just some mild scars on my face, my severe body acne scars (which is my main problem) stayed the same

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I avoid these concern posts every few months but because I have been contacted a few times I will address the topic here. Firstly I need a definition of what LEGIT treatments are. This is a nebulous term with many meanings.

  1. Scars do have treatments currently, they take time and work, many do not want to put out the effort, $$$$, or have the down time. Are we comparing severe scarring, body scarring, light scarring, those who cannot heal properly, those who want to complain, those who want perfection or nothing else, or those who have other health issues happening. We have had many success stories here, the ones who are not don't heal right, do treatments wrong, have doctors who take advantage of them for bogus treatments, or who do nothing and are debilitated by their own issues and thinking - finding it easier to complain.
  2. There are MANY mental issues on this forum, that would be better addressed with a therapist. Ie. Body Dysmorphia and perfectionism.
  3. We are comparing apples and oranges. Body scars and facial acne scars, also people's ability to heal or not heal, their propensity for bad experience. 
  4. Everything we offer as treatment customized is not that expensive with the exception of rf needling. You can skip anything you wish and get less results or wait for magical unicorns like Skin Te. The DIY stuff like derminator and tca peels/cross is extremely cheap. Subcision is pretty cheap without filler.
  5. Body scars you can flatten but often because of differences in physiology/vascularity you will not get the percentage of perfect skin texture, color, and quality. The face is a different thing . There is always medical tattooing for loss of pigment, but the texture will still be there, co2 can be done with steroid drip but not for full improvement.  
  6. Skin Te might be the best bet for someone with body scars, It does not have to look pretty like the face after all and can be cut out all over your body to apply. Please keep these discussions there, right now ... what if's or fantasy thinking for many. The average burn victim spends over 20K$+ (for the first treatment) so Skin Te won't be cheap, but anything is better than the 10% improvement a burn victim gets and his body dis-formed and not able to move for life. That is what this is for some % of improvement. 
  7. Sure if you do one session of anything like laser your not going to get what you want, or even all of it your not going to get perfection, or you just want to do DIY at home and not spend a cent that will give you some improvement but not fix everything. You have to go in with realistic expectations and know yourself very well. This is not a instant thing, different things work for different people.
  8. Often there is hidden data that is not shared. For example One person Keloids, the other does not heal well after a cut, the other has taken hard drugs, some smoke and don't heal right, a few cases of PICOS and nutritional / gut issues, some fungal infections and constant acne, some are stressed and worry all the time which effects healing, others do mega sessions all at once and Dr. E in Hollywood has scarred them for life while draining their bank accounts - this isn't how the body naturally heals. Every situation is not the same. This is not relative. 
  9. Where I agree with the OP is if you expect perfection STOP NOW, a therapist and anti-depressants might be more helpful than treatment. Just be aware the medications side effects might be more scars. It's possibly not healthy for a person in this mindset to be on this forum as they want everyone else to suffer with them while doing nothing about it. Yes I get it, you have had shitty treatments, drs, luck in life, or expectations. I REALLY do get it, we all have had this, it's what you choose to do about it.
  10. A older person who needs aesthetic treatments does not say, they will not take away my wrinkles completely and make my skin perfect so I will not get a Deep peel, or filler, or a face lift. The patient is happy for improvement, or avoids them completely and get's into the accepting phase.
  11. Filler is extremely legit, it fixes aging faces for many. Yes it's expensive but so many of you are going on trips, getting massages, coffees, clothes, doing fun activities, getting your hair cut, going to the dentist... But you don't want to get filler because it's not permanent. Acne scars cause pre-mature aging of skin, ... what is the cure for pre-mature aging of skin, fat loss, bone loss, collagen loss .... ding ding ding "Filler." Over time the cost will come down and become longer lasting. This is the game changer.


Some have asked for some tips to deal with scars, BDD, and treatments not working.  I don't have the bandwidth to deal with both the emotional and scar cases, nor do I feel I could do the full justice and attention everyone needs (I mean this in the nicest way). This is where Therapy really does help support one through the process. I think far to many are dealing with their own issues here and this is where you get a heaviness or compounding, and it starts to weigh on posters here. Hence why I suggest  get a game plan, do what's best for you, and disconnect or take a break when needed. Here is a generalized list of some ideas.

* Therapy, ... few here can offer this level of understanding and depth to see what the cause of the BDD is and deal with it. This is a very important step. There is a Smart Phone App Called Talkspace which is great for therapy (text, video, call). Also colleges offer reduced rates even if your not a student. Friends while great cannot fill this space. When you plateau on results or it becomes unbearable this is what helps as well. Stress and worry can cause worse skin issues, and this deals with that.
* Gym, Endorphin's are a great way to get you into a happy space. I have seen many guys and gals become happy with their appearance and somehow that helped with everything else (weather they fixed their issue or not). They became more self confident and healthy.
* Naturapathic / Herbalist / Homeopathic / Holistic / Chinese Herbal - Eastern Medicine / Ayurveda / Integrated Health - Sometimes the issue is the gut and it manifests in the skin. These practitioners can work on this part of you where many doctors throw antibiotics which can make things worse. It's more than taking a supplement, it's a lifestyle. Clean living, healthy diet / food (is a big one), understanding what is bad for us out there and good. Even someone with a scientific based mind can find help in some of this in conjunction with western medicine. Cleanses of the liver, kidneys, and intestines. Stay clear of the hucksters who have a magical solution or charge high prices for a cure. If it does not work in a few months, stop doing it.
* Self Improvement - Improve other parts of your life, so you can get courage and success.
* Helping Others / Volunteering - Often the Scar Suffer or those with BDD are stuck seeing only what is wrong with themselves instead of seeing that the world around them is not perfect. Help others, it's very gratifying and gives  back many benefits. The focus becomes not about yourself but a servants heart. It's a good way to distract.
* Religion - Focusing on something more than yourself. Working on what's inside rather than the outside. Finding purpose.
* Take a Walk - Get some fresh air and sunshine. If you live in a place with fog most of the year you may have Seasonal Disorder and need a sun lamp. Many are trapped inside and hiding from their issue. This is not healthy both physically and psychologically.   
* Do something you love.
* Anti - Depressants or Natural Anti Depressants - Many need help coping, consult a Dr. Always look at the side effects and how they effect the skin.
* Hangout with the Friends or Do something Nice for your Family - Support
* Improve Yourself ( School, work/career improvement, classes, hobbies, learn new things, read books). Improve the things you can improve, and don't focus on the ones you cannot. 
* Makeup / Skincare - "Makeup Addiction" and "Skincare Addiction" are both excellent subs on reddit.com , learn as much as you can. Many more members than here. Some scientists and professionals post there. Repositories of Knowledge. 
* Sleep - many don't get enough of this.
* Disconnect / Avoid Certain Media - Did the Buddhist Monks know something we don't or the Amish. Society wants to tell you your ugly (so they can feel better about themselves), that you should look like photos, or buy new treatments and products. What if this was not a constant message marketing, sales, media, and society was sending us, would be easier right. Obsessing on Facebook and Hollywood tabloids will not help you in the long run. So many on Youtube are using filters to give fake makeup results, special lighting, Photoshop, plastic surgery, makeup, special photographers. Those with good genes are not perfect but have far to many ways to hide their imperfections and obsess on the ego Infecting others around them to also be narcissistic - centered on superficial.
* Get rid of friends who are not beneficial to your health and well being - the choice is yours, we are the company we keep. 
* Beauty Blogs / Acne / Skincare - Will tell you there is something wrong with you, that is the focus and the goal, to find something else to fix. This isn't reality, it's fake. 
* Set Goals and Bucketlists Outside of the Superficial - Achieve Greatness. This could be as simple as finishing a few things on a honey - to - do list.
* Make yourself interesting in other ways besides how you look - We all get old, regret for many is off things they did not do, or chances they did not take, not off how they looked as they get old and naturally age. Perhaps beauty is for the young & vain, and transcendence is for the old and wise (are the the vessel you cultivate inside).

The Serenity Prayer

 

God grant me the serenity 
To accept the things I cannot change; 
Courage to change the things I can; 
And wisdom to know the difference. 

Living one day at a time; 
Enjoying one moment at a time; 
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; 
Taking, as He did, this sinful world 
As it is, not as I would have it; 
Trusting that He will make all things right 
If I surrender to His Will; 
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life 
And supremely happy with Him 
Forever and ever in the next. 

Amen.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beautiful Ambition, the first part of your last post should be a sticky on this sub forum. Comparing the different scar types, the different expectations, different healing abilities, different lifestyle factors, etc. Great post. 

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Meh. I used to feel the same way, but 80% improvement is possible. My pictures are not faked and show a couple scars that have been nearly removed completely with just 2 subcisions.

Some people will never be satisfied unless they have the skin of a 5 year old.

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 Most of the time, a treatment does not work because of the doctor, not the actual treatment.  Most dermatologists and most doctors in fact, have zero aesthetic sense and so their results often are lackluster.   Even worse, some doctors are not motivated by the desire to help the patient but to pile on treatments to get as much money as possible.  

In my personal experience, the things that will cause failure of treatments is 
1) Not doing test spots - everyone's skin is different and you MUST ALWAYS do a test spot before jumping in head first.  I found out lasers were not compatible with my skin at all, and I'm glad I did not allow a doctor to talk me into doing a full face treatment.
2)  Not doing the right treatment for the right scar 
3)  Doing too many treatments all at once - you need to stop and reassess after each treatment
4) Not researching the doctor
5) Being suckered into "package" deals
6) Not targeting the actual scars - don't ever allow a doctor to unnecessarily treat good skin.  Target the actual scars.

Scare-mongering by making sweeping and scientifically false statements is not helpful.  Fillers can get infected, but that's from the technique not the material.   Fillers are made sterile before they leave the plant.   The chances of infection are extremely small if you do it under aseptic techniques.  LIke others have said, if you cannot accept improvement, than it's best to log off because perfection doesn't exist in acne scar revision.  

But yes, sometimes the damage is so extensive that current technology will not be able to do much.  For the vast majority of scar sufferers though, it is possible for improvement (sometimes significant).
 

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 I actually have a different opinion when it comes to this. and I have a question for BA. in most of the posts you advise people to do:

3 sessions of subcision with fillers, 3 to 4 rf needling , tca cross 3 to 4 times, a few peels and a laser and finally some fillers to top up. Let us be realistic here. 
we are talking about how many thousands here?? how much downtime? risks? who will do all of this? 
it is very simple, if I do subcision 2 times with no results, it means it doesnt work, nothing is magical about the third time. right? if I laser my face a few times and I just get hyperpigmentation with no change in the scarring it means it doesnt work. simple.

(The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results) " Albert Einstein"


google "infini goes wrong", you will find people with actual true pics of side effects. Fillers goes wrong , tca cross goes wrong and so on. Now google infine before and after, or fillers before and after. you will just find photoshopped pics.
  you guys keep telling people to try more and more, in one of the forums a guy said he tried everthing from infini to laser to all, and what is the advice? try 100% face peel. why? why to take this risk if there is no proof it works?

I want a single case of someone who did this list (4 infini, 3 subcision with fillers, tca cross, ...) who got results, a single case is enough. 

Another issue, acne scars in Australia are covered by the health insurance right? Davin Lim is one of the Drs that you always advise people to visit them. I watched his videos on Instagram and youtube, and to be honest not a single case of deep scarring is solved. if a good doctor like him cant provide a single case of a successful case. then it does not exists,  I dont buy all the change in lighting he does, or taking a viedo right after subcision when the face is swollen. I actually feel very insulted when he changes the lighting and then asks the paintents if he changed the lighting and the paintenst says no. Ok we have acne sars but we are not blind.

Other than that, I went to a few doctors and when I ask for before and after, they either dont have or they have the internet photoshoped ones. Now search the review about the same doctors, you will find all the great reviews. OK , you decide to risk it and take a treatment, mmm, afew months later you realis that you just wasted your money and nothing it doesnt working.

So a simple question where did the great reviews come from? Another question what prevents the one who made these fake reviews from posting the same fake review in a website like this??? who is benefting from all of this? Why would companies find a cure for acne scaring if they can suck all your money and make you run after hopes? 






 

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 "I actually have a different opinion when it comes to this." -- That's fine it's a open forum. 
 
 From a analysis of your past posts I can tell your disgruntled person, upset, not a risk taker, don't believe in anything can solve acne scarring. You used a dermapen which did little good except caused you PIH. You had subcision it seems by a poor Canadian Dr who did not do Nokor or use filler because that was too much so the scars re-tethered.You take a long time to heal from your skin discoloration.

So the question really is why are you here. What benefit does it have to you and the other posters. Do you just want to find what is wrong with the treatments and why they may or may not help you.... 


No I do not advise people to just do "3 sessions of subcision with fillers, 3 to 4 rf needling , tca cross 3 to 4 times, a few peels and a laser and finally some fillers to top up." --- The treatment is individualized to the person suffering from the scars. I cannot help if many have a similar problem. There are many variations. What do you think a doctor does when you come in for  said procedure, he follows a protocol. If you need to learn more about scarring read the FAQ, which I heavily tried to help you out in the past with your situation.

No we are not talking about thousands. It really depends what you decide to do. The treatments are over 3 years. You probably spend thousands for your haircuts, food, vacations, clothes, gifts, dental bills, taxes, health care, etc... Over 3 years compared to doing something about your scarring. Your in Canada ... I know Healthcare is Universal but terrible acne scar treatment. You speak of Dr Lim in  AUS, they don't have to pay the bill once they reach your Medicare threshold unlike other countries. Do you want to bargain for a cosmetic service that is not medically necessary... You choose what you want to do and don't want to do and how much improvement you want to get.  

Some of our members here don't pay a doctor a dime and do it all DIY at home (peels, cross, microneedling). Subcision is incredibly cheap. Filler you can choose weather you want to do it or not (cupping). Laser is completely optional. Yes Infini is expensive but you don't even have to do this if you don't want further improvement. One does not have to eat stake dinners if MacDonald's is cheaper. You choose what you put in your body. 

"how much downtime? risks? who will do all of this? " -- From reading your past experience you heal poorly, PIH, and don't want any down time so why bother. Actually why even come on this forum,... are you hoping for some other cure to come out?

"it is very simple, if I do subcision 2 times with no results, it means it doesn't work" -- this is not true at all, ... it may not work for you, you may heal poorly, you may have a shit doctor, or you may have a terrible diet and health. Some smoke after they have procedures. Some take drugs both from the hospital and not. Some have never fixed their acne before getting treatments. Others don't heal well even from a plain cut. Maybe the doctor did not subcise it fully, maybe it was infected. Maybe you put something on your face and caught something. Maybe the doctor did 5 things at once so the procure was not done properly, or it was their first day. Maybe that treatment does not work for you specifically. If you don't get filler and it re-tethers it's not the subcision's fault. If there was no aftercare then poor results can occur. If you get Keloids easily or are susceptible to Hematomas all kinds of things can happen. We are not a simplistic species nor are we all the same. Things are not universal. You came here for FREE advice, not for me to be your doctor, lawyer, preacher, therapist, nor guru. I am doing you a favor. As such I don't need to be your whipping post because of some failure that occurred in your life. This is why I suggest people get a therapist. I cannot fix your issues for you nor do I have the bandwidth to do so. The world sucks, and it's cruel, that is life. I am volunteering to make peoples experience better. But by all means if you have it all figured out then do that, why even bother here. 

Subcision has worked for Millions, look at his histology. Flying in planes works for Millions if not Billions. Riding on a bike works for millions. 

"nothing is magical about the third time." -- Actually yes. When your are informed you are empowered, when you know nothing many thing can go wrong. 
Why do we goto school to learn from the past's mistakes. How does one become a expert, ... they fail and learn form it. All processes can be improved, personalized and customized. How many times did you fall down learning to ride a bike before you succeeded. 

"if I laser my face a few times and I just get hyper pigmentation with no change in the scarring it means it doesnt work. simple." -- no the universe is by no means equal or universal. Sounds like projection of your own issues. Laser may work for some people and for others it may not. It is heavily dependent on the operator and their skill. You can hyper pigment from all treatments with your skin type. You must prep ahead of time and you will need vascular laser. The doctor has to be more careful with your skin type.  

"(The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results) " Albert Einstein" -- so why are you here that seems insane, it clearly isn't helping you. 

"google "infini goes wrong", you will find people with actual true pics of side effects. Fillers goes wrong , tca cross goes wrong and so on." -- This is sooooooo silly. Google drinking water goes wrong, eatting food goes wrong, chicken little the sky is falling, anxiety and worry are debilitating, I can find anything wrong with something I googler (typing goes wrong). Bitching is mainly done on Real Self, by people who complain about anything. Mainly they blame there own issues on the treatments or have perfect faces and don't like the down time. IF the doctor sucks nothing I can do about that. ANYTHING in life you can find something wrong with, we live in a imperfect world.

"Now Google infine before and after, or fillers before and after. you will just find photo shopped pics." -- Sure you will, just like all marketing materials are photo shopped. You are living it sounds like with BDD or expecting perfection. What do you expect to see people's faces falling off, that would sell like hotcakes as a treatment. 

"why to take this risk if there is no proof it works?" --Ah we get to the good part, ... scar treatments take a bit of faith and you have none. In fact you do not believe in the process at all. Again why are you here? You don't believe the Histology, or the photos, or the doctors, or the patient testimony, or the reviews, or the free advise here, or books on the subject. Why believe in medical treatments at all. There is a point of diminishing returns, if you have tried everything and it does not work, you cannot expect it to change (or get massively better) without faith, or a new plan of action.

"you guys keep telling people to try more and more, in one of the forums a guy said he tried everything from infini to laser to all, and you told them try 100% face peel. why?" -- I don't remember any post like this. But if there was one something was wrong with the process that could have been fixed, ... maybe the person's ability to heal was poor, or they had a health issue, or they did a mega treatment all at once which destroyed their skin, or they did not do a strong enough treatment for their condition, or their doctor was terrible, .... everything is not universal and must be examined for other variables. 

"I want a single case of someone who did this list (4 infini, 3 subcision with fillers, tca cross, ...) who got results, a single case is enough." -- There have been plenty, you said you read the FAQ in the past with all this, I guess not. Obviously you will not be one of them because you do not believe in the information nor do you want to do the work to know these treatments work. So simply do nothing. Move on with your life, ... be happy. I am not your doctor or paid to prove to you anything. Goto your doctor and ask him all this, ... isn't that why your paying him. I provide massive amounts of data as a service as a volunteer. What have you done to help others? You cannot help Doubting Thomas.

"Another issue, acne scars in Australia are covered by the health insurance right? Davin Lim is one of the Drs that you always advise people to visit them. I watched his videos on Instagram and youtube, and to be honest not a single case of deep scarring is solved. if a good doctor like him cant provide a single case of a successful case. then it does not exists,  I don't buy all the change in lighting he does, or taking a video right after subcision when the face is swollen. I actually feel very insulted when he changes the lighting and then asks the patients if he changed the lighting and the patient says no. Ok we have acne scars but we are not blind. " -- Wow a lot of strong feelings there. I don't recommend any doctors actually. I provide doctors as a courtesy for you to goto who you like. You are in charge of your scar treatments. IF you don't like Dr Lim's methods of videos / picture taking I suggest you contact him to discuss this or choose someone else who fits your personality and needs better. 

"Other than that, I went to a few doctors and when I ask for before and after, they either dont have or they have the Internet photo shopped ones. Now search the review about the same doctors, you will find all the great reviews. OK , you decide to risk it and take a treatment, mmm, a few months later you realize that you just wasted your money and nothing it doesn't working." -- Again this is up to you to find who fits your desires and needs. Sounds like you are very particular about who you choose. Let us know if you find someone perfect. Have you ever seen a plastic surgeon's work, ... only his best patients/outcomes get documented and shared. I sense a lot of doubt and skepticism again which might be a deeper issue which needs addressing with a therapist first before any treatment can occur. 

"So a simple question where did the great reviews come from? Another question what prevents the one who made these fake reviews from posting the same fake review in a website like this??? who is benefiting from all of this? Why would companies find a cure for acne scaring if they can suck all your money and make you run after hopes? " -- No one is benefiting on Acne.org except those who had the procedure. They are sharing their experience. IF you doubt them there is nothing I can do about that. You start to get to know the posters who post regularly and their photos and insight are very real and forthcoming about the pros and cons of their treatments. There is good and bad for all doctors on this site and as such I think it's balanced. The histology data for treatments matches up with the outcomes of the patients. 

You cannot please everyone and in your case I think it would be best if you did nothing, because it sounds like you won't be fully happy with the results. But the choice is yours. I wouldn't bother with results here that you don't trust, or advise and guidance you don't like. Maybe there is another website which better suits your needs and desires. 

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Yeah, I guess my skin is very sensitive.
 Now I should look for a doctor to do Infini and try to see if he has before and after pics.
I am scared of laser and i did it 10 years ago about 4 or 5 treatments.
Did not see Improvement, i had hyperpegmentaion after the laser and i Used HQ at that time and it was ok.  But recently i tried HQ again and had very bad reaction.

 I only got obsessed after needling when it left me with very deep and wide scar in my cheek (dont even know how this is possible), plus the loss of fat, and hyperpegmenation. But My advice to everyone trying the dermapen at home is not to use a numbing cream, as you don't feel the pain, and stupidly think more depth and aggressive treatment means more collagen (total bullshit).

 

The lack of pictures in this forum makes me feel bad. 
 
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Scars Hope, in regards to why doctors get all great reviews and where do these great reviews cone from, I'll actually flip this way of thinking to the other side of the coin. 

If someone like Lim or another highly rated doctor has lots of botched jobs or scar treatment procedures that didnt work, then where are all the bad reviews online? 

Do you honestly think someone who has spent thousands on a dud treatment that didn't work is just going to go home and forget all about it? They will be mighty pissed off! They will vent and leave a bad review with the doctor. In fact, people who have good results are less likely to post a review, as they will more than likely move on and live their life. 

I'm skeptical with scar treatments, but I do believe you can get improvement. A lot of people are unsatisfied with 50% improvement, that is going to be human nature with something as deeply upsetting as acne scarring. 

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Some of you guys just don't really look hard enough.  Doing one google search without actually drilling down and doing your due diligence.  For the lazy people here you go... check out this girl's results. 

She will tell you  it's not perfect, but her results are visible and real.   I've messaged her and we've talked about her treatments.  She's pretty cool and more than generous to put herself out there for the world to judge and examine.   

If you're the type of person who rejects her results as "not good enough", log off.  Delete your account.   You have to find what works for you.  There is no substitute for educating yourself.  You can't abdicate that responsibility.
 

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I do get where scars_hope is coming from to an extent...

This is my take on acne scar treatment from all the research ive done over the past few years...

To put it simply and be completely honest... there ARE some people who could have every damn treatment available by the best acne scar specialist in the WORLD and still only see 5-10% improvement after 15+k treating each and every individual scar carefully...For some people, the sad truth is.. there is little to no hope...the technology isnt advanced enough to see visible improvement, and this is for a number of reasons, genetics, skin type, disorders, healing abilities etc. BUT there are people who achieve 50-80% improvement. For one reason or another they respond well to treatments... Dazzed shared a link to that one girl on youtube ( ive watched her many times too lol ) and you can see her results are not fake and quite noticeable.  QuanHenry had very similar scarring to mine and hes definitely had very good improvement. His pics show harsh lighting too. You can see what i call 'improvement that was worth the effort'.. Now, do i think i will have the same improvement as him just because we had similar scarring? Absolutely not lol. I dont heal well enough to achieve those results. I think my best luck will be from several fillers( if anything will work on me)instead of damaging my skin. It SUCKS but some people will have great outcomes while others will see little to no improvement even with every treatment available (and hopefully without additional scarring). Throughout this very unfortunate journey, ive learned Its not as simple as saying scar treatments WORK/DONT WORK. Every single case is different. I think its best to study your own skin well before jumping into any type of treatment. 

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@seattlegal90  I would agree.  You can't make a blanket statement either way - "treatments don't work!" , "treatment works!".    It totally depends.   I think the issue is that there are people here who take THEIR experience and extrapolate it to the world.    Like I wrote above, you MUST have an understanding of your skin and unfortunately it will take some trial and error.  That is why you never go all-in on your first scar treatment.  Do not get the Emer special and do 8 procedures in one sitting.  It's insane to push your skin to it's limit like that.   I can't tell you how many times I was told to treat my whole face with lasers.   If I did that my skin would be destroyed.  My skin reacted badly to fractional co2, and I thank god I did not go through with a full face treatment.  

I totally agree that there are some people with scarring that is just too far gone to get an appreciable improvement.   For those unfortunate few, biotechnology may be the only real answer, but who knows when that will materialize.  

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Perhaps off-topic but those who heal poorly should seriously consider looking into their diet/nutrition. Oftentimes, it ain't about the skin, but your immune system which is closely connected to your gut.

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@dazzedI completely agree. I am also extremely glad i did not have full face laser treatment. When i was put on accutane my dr had already started planning my laser treatment "6 months after accutane" She told me, "you have really fair skin too, so we can kick those settings up to the max!" I am so so glad i paid close attention to how my skin was healing after i was finished with the medication. It would have disfigured my entire face. I remember 6 months post accutane i tried just using that at home PMD, and even that made my skin texture noticeably worse. My skin was so fragile at the time. As unlucky as this situation may be, im extremely thankful as well that l i didnt blindly do what i was told like many other innocent people..

Youre spot on, you definitely need to have a GOOD understanding of how your skin reacts, heals, etc. That is one reason ( aside from issues clearing up acne) i have not firmly decided which approach to take first, and have chosen to keep studying this site and others while i determine what i think will be best for MY skin . And then as you mentioned earlier, do TEST spots first. Doing any treatment over your entire face because you want improvements NOW ( or because a dr is pressuring it) is foolish..Scar treatment is a LONG process, you need to treat it as one, dont rush it, use extreme caution, and take it one step at a time. 

@Sirius Lee Although that may be very true for some people, for most of the people on this site, its caused by taking accutane, its an awful and permanent side effect. Ive tried every diet, increased water intake, herbs, vitamins, etc etc.. Accutane has permanently screwed up how my body heals. It sucksss lol. Wish i had done more research on the drug before taking it. Personally I didnt have any concerns going on it ( other than starting between breakouts to avoid scarring) as my sister had taken it 10 years before i did, and the only thing she suffered was short term depression. 

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Well, in my opinion, the safest thing that DOES work to varying degrees is fillers.  Excluding permanent ones, fillers are pretty much safe and do work.  Where I see them failing all the time is due to piss poor technique - sloppy, rushed doctors not using angled light, or using them on inappropriate scars.  I know for me they absolutely worked, not perfectly, but it's the only thing that has made a dramatic difference.  And fillers absolutely won't make your scars worse.  If you hate it, you can dissolve or let it go away naturally.

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@dazzedDid you have subcission done with it? Im strongly considering it as my first treatment plan because as you said it wont make scarring worse, you can have it dissolved if they mess up. Im just not sure my skin can handle subcission beforehand, but ive also heard the donut effect is pretty common if you dont do it. Do you mind my asking what type of scars it worked well on for you personally? I have mostly shallow boxcars and rolling scars, luckily 80% of them show improvement when i stretch the skin. Also what filler did you decide to use?

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I have had subcision, but personally I don't think they did much for me because the issue for me was volume loss and deep rolling scars.   I never had subcision and filler at the same time.   I had  deep rolling scars and sunken cheeks due to years of cystic acne.   

The fillers only worked on rolling scars and to re-volumize the parts of my face that were sunken.  I also have a moderate amount of icepicks but obviously it doesn't work at all on those scars.  

As for fillers I've tried them all.   The first one I did was Radiesse which I do not recommend at all for superficial scars because it will feel hard and look bumpy if not done precisely.  Unfortunately, the Radiesse was injected poorly and I had visible lumps for a long time.  After that I had Restylane, Restylane Lyft (used to be called Perlane at the time), Voluma, and Belotero.   Yeah, I've done them all.  I think for superficial scars, Restylane and Belotero are fine, but now you have Restylane silk.   For volume loss, Voluma is good, but very expensive.  I think Restylane Lyft hits a happy medium between price, efficacy, and longevity so I would recommend that over Voluma for deep scars or volume loss.   In general, I feel like the hyaluronic acid fillers are like Coke and Pepsi, they are very similar and achieve the same result.   

I personally have not done Sculptra and I would not.   That's because Sculptra works by causing your body to create what is essentially scar tissue to encapsulate the powder material.   I know that my body has an aggressive healing response, so Sculptra could cause too much volume or potentially granulomas.  

For your first time, stick to hyaluronic acid fillers. 
 

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28 minutes ago, dazzed said:

I have had subcision, but personally I don't think they did much for me because the issue for me was volume loss and deep rolling scars.   I never had subcision and filler at the same time.   I had  deep rolling scars and sunken cheeks due to years of cystic acne.   

The fillers only worked on rolling scars and to re-volumize the parts of my face that were sunken.  I also have a moderate amount of icepicks but obviously it doesn't work at all on those scars.  

As for fillers I've tried them all.   The first one I did was Radiesse which I do not recommend at all for superficial scars because it will feel hard and look bumpy if not done precisely.  Unfortunately, the Radiesse was injected poorly and I had visible lumps for a long time.  After that I had Restylane, Restylane Lyft (used to be called Perlane at the time), Voluma, and Belotero.   Yeah, I've done them all.  I think for superficial scars, Restylane and Belotero are fine, but now you have Restylane silk.   For volume loss, Voluma is good, but very expensive.  I think Restylane Lyft hits a happy medium between price, efficacy, and longevity so I would recommend that over Voluma for deep scars or volume loss.   In general, I feel like the hyaluronic acid fillers are like Coke and Pepsi, they are very similar and achieve the same result.   

I personally have not done Sculptra and I would not.   That's because Sculptra works by causing your body to create what is essentially scar tissue to encapsulate the powder material.   I know that my body has an aggressive healing response, so Sculptra could cause too much volume or potentially granulomas.  

For your first time, stick to hyaluronic acid fillers. 
 

Have you noticed improvement in your scars now because of all your filler use?

Also how many ml do you need? Edited by Noa27

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