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Why is Syd his thread about Davin Lim removed?

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Syd deleted her account, maybe she requested the thread to be deleted. Strange. Kind of pointless to make numerous bad reviews about a doctor and then disappear 48 hours later. 

I don't think threads like that should be removed, unless it was slander involved. It's good to inform people about a treatment experience with a doctor, both good and bad. Maybe Lim himself requested it to be removed. 

She wrote a lengthy review on rate mds. Normally Lim responds back on there to really negative reviews, so it would be interesting to see what he writes back. He has done this in the past. 

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3 minutes ago, ScarRight said:

Syd deleted her account, maybe she requested the thread to be deleted. Strange. Kind of pointless to make numerous bad reviews about a doctor and then disappear 48 hours later. 

I don't think threads like that should be removed, unless it was slander involved. It's good to inform people about a treatment experience with a doctor, both good and bad. Maybe Lim himself requested it to be removed. 

She wrote a lengthy review on rate mds. Normally Lim responds back on there to really negative reviews, so it would be interesting to see what he writes back. He has done this in the past. 

Why would she post so much detailed things (also pics of her face) to disapear 2 days later. Something smells very fishy imo

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2 hours ago, Noa27 said:
2 hours ago, ScarRight said:

Syd deleted her account, maybe she requested the thread to be deleted. Strange. Kind of pointless to make numerous bad reviews about a doctor and then disappear 48 hours later. 

I don't think threads like that should be removed, unless it was slander involved. It's good to inform people about a treatment experience with a doctor, both good and bad. Maybe Lim himself requested it to be removed. 

She wrote a lengthy review on rate mds. Normally Lim responds back on there to really negative reviews, so it would be interesting to see what he writes back. He has done this in the past. 

Why would she post so much detailed things (also pics of her face) to disapear 2 days later. Something smells very fishy imo

I'm with you on this. I'm skeptical. 
* She stated she had fully ablative laser when clearly she didn't.
* Kept going for several treatments before she figured out what was wrong. 
* She kept agreeing to treatments she didn't want. A doctor can't force you to do lasers against your will. You can change your mind anytime. 
* She didn't liked to be questioned and got very upset and defensive, saying I was attacking her. Did she honestly expect nobody to ask her any questions? 
*She didn't write any reviews on any other sites, until yesterday, even though the bad treatments happened three months ago. 

There are two sides to each story.  Edited by ScarRight

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This is the reason why I keep telling people to do their homework before starting any treatment. It's also not a bad idea to get acquainted with patient bill of rights in case things go south. Truth be told, I get quite angry when I read this type of grievance. Had the OP done her research, she could have well prevented such tragic outcome--eg. knowing what treatment is appropriate for her scars, she would not have undergone laser treatment in the first place.

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1 hour ago, arte90 said:

Dr. Lim did respond: https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/885011/Dr-Davin-Lim-Brisbane-QLD.html

She most likely removed her posts because he wants to sue her for making false allegations.

 

 Wow. That just got really real and he doesn't sound very happy.

I think that clearly answers why she requested the whole thread to be removed.  Edited by ScarRight

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3 hours ago, Sirius Lee said:

This is the reason why I keep telling people to do their homework before starting any treatment. It's also not a bad idea to get acquainted with patient bill of rights in case things go south. Truth be told, I get quite angry when I read this type of grievance. Had the OP done her research, she could have well prevented such tragic outcome--eg. knowing what treatment is appropriate for her scars, she would not have undergone laser treatment in the first place.


I m not sure, man. I mean- how is she supposed to know what is appropriate for her scars? This is what the doctor is there for, he is a high regarded specialist in his field, he should know.... You can't shift the responsiblity on the patient. Think about how long time it takes for one to get into all of this? It took me actually over two years just to START to understand different treatments and what they are (and aren't) good for... Who has this much time and dedication (/or obsession?) Research has consumed so much of my time, I dont think everyone can afford that. 

Besides, this probably wasnt this girl's case but please realize that most of information online (this forum, realself, lim's channel...) is in English (most online content is actually).

English is not my first language and I am so aware of how privileged I am in this manner - that I could afford to study at universities abroad (but luckily for me, it's Europe so the unis and many other important things are free;)), learn English, and this way earned access to so much more resources. When I see the national forums in my mother tongue, people asking for advice about acne scarring and all the local docs are just pushing CO2 on them... they either never heard about subcision or dismiss it as "obsolete" compared to lasers... I just feel kind of bad for the people - I imagine they might have precarious labour-intensive jobs, dont speak English, they might have kids to take care of when they come home. It just seems very unfair to me to shift the responsibility on the patient... It comes natural to people to trust a specialist, especially Lim who's considered on of the best acne scarring in the world. 

I am aware this is sliding off topic and getting sort of philosophical but it's something I think about a lot in my particular situation. In fact, if I get a noticeable improvement and get a solid knowledge about treatments, I wanna help people in my local language - at least to point them in the right direction, provide information about other options than lasers etc.

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I agree with @EagleEva.   I'm actually really disturbed by the what happened with Syd.    From what I could tell, she was not lying about anything.  It was simply a case of someone who was told to expect significant improvement and did not get anything close to what was promised.   I understand sometimes that happens.  Not every patient has the kind of knowledge or experience as veteran members here.  Hell, all of the knowledge I've contributed here has been from my own trial and errors and real world experience.  If you're going to one of the top doctors for acne scars, how many would actually question the recommendations?  Most reasonable people do not have the in depth knowledge to question things. 

I'm concerned about the hive mentality to rush to judgement.   Anyone who has read my posts know that I have praised Dr. Lim countless times, so I'm not a "hater".   Also, I'm usually one of the first ones to call out posts where the person has no visible scarring.   I've been told on one occasion to just ignore a post if I don't agree with it and that this forum is open to everyone.   There's a level of hypocrisy here.   People with no visible problems get coddled and yet someone with a real issue was piled on because she openly criticized the results she got from a respected doctor.  No doctor is God, and they can make mistakes.  

What I've noticed is that the forum has become increasingly a place where opinions that go against the group consensus is shouted down. Often from people who've only done research but haven't actually experienced the treatments in real life.   This forum should be independent, and not a de facto promotional vehicle for doctors.  I'm not afraid to call out anything if I feel it's justified. 

Dr. Lim is still a top doctor, but once again this episode should remind everyone to be their own best advocate and do their due diligence.  Start off slow, stop and re-evaluate, and then proceed.  ALWAYS.

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Yup, I concur. The response here was kinda disturbing. Dr. Lim might simply make the wrong decision. Doctors make mistakes. 
 

3 hours ago, EagleEva said:

I m not sure, man. I mean- how is she supposed to know what is appropriate for her scars? This is what the doctor is there for, he is a high regarded specialist in his field, he should know.... You can't shift the responsiblity on the patient.


You forgot a lot of the frequent posters here think they know better than doctors.

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@EagleEva I am not shifting blame on the poor girl, nor am I blaming Lim. I just think the whole mess could have been circumvented, or at the very least mitigated, had she looked into the available treatments sooner. I ain't saying she must devote her entire time to learning as would a medical student. She could have, for instance, come here or elsewhere where there are knowledgeable people (like @beautifulambition and @Obi wan) and resources dedicated to acne scars. Just my 2-cents.

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Remember, we do not know the full story here. I get a feeling quite a few facts have been omitted. However, I feel a bit uncomfortable by Lim's heavy response on rate mds. The girl needs psychological help, hopefully she can resolve the issue with the doctor. 
People have a right to question what happen, it's not attacking her. 

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I don't know if I am easy persuaded but I felt Syd was genuine, why else would she post the photos and the acne scar plan?  All doctors make mistakes so didn't understand the level of angst directed at her.

I'm new here and I thought it was an support forum with some objectivity?

I'm freaking out about my subcision so I want to hear anyone's concerns with Lim before I sign on the dotted line.  Do we think he is the scar king just because he uploads heaps of videos?  I still want to see some results with similar angled lighting before and after.


 

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None of us know the full story.     I also wanted to get a better idea of the circumstances.   I'm both skeptical about some aspects of the story (the before and afters which were hard to compare) but also sympathize with her because I know what it's like to have doctors f-up your skin even worse.  I've been in her exact situation, and I chose just to move on because doctors have too much financial and legal power.  

Unless you've been damaged by a doctor, you can't fully comprehend the stress of having to fight for your rights as a patient.  It's a minefield.   Most of the commenters here have not even done an actual treatment, and yet they're commenting on on procedures and legal issues as if they're authorities on the subject.   I've actually lived it, so I know first hand.  

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I have been following thid fourm for a while, and finally decided to join.
I think doctors can make mistakes, and also the ability of people to heal is different. So it is not logical to really expect everyone treated by Dr Lim to get good results.
the second point is the change in lighting which is a common trick by doctors. Even Dr. Lim in his latest videos, he is still doing so, even though in the same video he saying he is not.
 plus the pictures and videos are taking not long after the treatment, in some of the pictures people still have the blood drops from the subcision in their face, so it is logical that the scars will look better due to swelling.

so, this way of tricking people, and videos like" removing acne scars in 5 mins", by dr lim. Are all part of raising the expectation of people, when the truth is totally different.
so i totally understand when you take all your savings to the doctor, expecting him to do to you what he shows in his posts and then you find that the truth is different. It is normal to get mad.
Another comment about this forum, many people here advice without even trying any treatment by themselves.
also the formula of " tca cross+rf micro needling+peeling and fillers" that is given to everyone in this group. I really want to see its results on a single person.
why we repeat saying the same thing again and again if there is noone in this forum tried it and it worked for him.

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7 hours ago, Jaspa0411 said:

I'm freaking out about my subcision so I want to hear anyone's concerns with Lim before I sign on the dotted line.  Do we think he is the scar king just because he uploads heaps of videos?  I still want to see some results with similar angled lighting before and after.


 

Something to make you feel a little better.

If this happened a lot with Davin Lim, how come there are not many reviews on websites such as rate mds and Realself. If I spent thousands on a treatment that did nothing or made my scars worse, I wouldn't just go home and forget about. You would expect to feel angry and hurt. And you would expect these types are more likely to write a review, because they would want to express the hurt and disappointment from their negative experiences. In fact, quite often you would expect people with positive experiences to just ride off into the sunset so to speak and never come back to places like Acne.org, because they are happy and living their life. 

Also, Lim is booked months in advance and he doesn't take international patients anymore, so if the Syd incident happened on a regular basis, he wouldn't be so popular. 

I do look forward to hearing your experiences, if you are still going to see him.

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21 hours ago, Fov1B7LyND said:

You forgot a lot of the frequent posters here think they know better than doctors.


sure, and they often do! way too many dermatologists have poor knowledge about acne scarring.

what I meant was more the general idea of doctor-patient dynamics (the expectations):
The doctor (in any field of medicine) is considered the expert and patients trust them -their diagnosis, their treatments - since they are laymen and the doctor is specialist. why wouldnt they? the doctor has spent years in med school and decades in practice, so they should know better, right? it has worked like this for ages.

now, this is why aesthetic medicine/industry is so f*ed up.  doctors who might not be driven by  genuine desire to help people but by profit. we on this forum are all to well aware of the fact that many doctors might have ulterior motives - but I believe that most people out there don't suspect this. And I don't think this makes them stupid, or naive, or lazy. 


mmmm

Also, can one see the pictures still? I missed the original post and now Im kind of curious, daaammit :D:/ Edited by EagleEva

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12 hours ago, Jaspa0411 said:


I'm freaking out about my subcision so I want to hear anyone's concerns with Lim before I sign on the dotted line.  Do we think he is the scar king just because he uploads heaps of videos?  I still want to see some results with similar angled lighting before and after.


I don't think you have anything to freak out about.  If it was me, I still would go to see Dr. Lim considering he's shown enough photographic evidence of his results.   Nobody has  a perfect record, but he's been pretty consistent.  Because of the fact that you are worried, I would stress that you want to be conservative and work up to more aggressive treatments over time.  But that also means you'll have to accept that your progress will be slower.   However, that gives you time to reevaluate whats working and what's not. 

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14 hours ago, Jaspa0411 said:

I'm freaking out about my subcision so I want to hear anyone's concerns with Lim before I sign on the dotted line.  Do we think he is the scar king just because he uploads heaps of videos?  I still want to see some results with similar angled lighting before and after.

As someone who just went through a very thorough subcision of my entire cheeks with nokor 18 that left both my cheeks with massive purple bruises and swelling (i'm not sure right now how it will turn out): You should worry about your subcision procedure. Remember, you are allowing a doctor putting a knife in your skin, regardless of his level. As dazzed has suggest above, start slow and easy, with the smalles nokor needle and tell him to be very conservative on your skin. 

Edit: For some perspective, last post here  That's my right cheek 4 days after subcision, don't be me, be very conservative and tell him to just subcise the individual scars with a small needle. Edited by incepticon

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58 minutes ago, incepticon said:

That's my right cheek 4 days after subcision, don't be me, be very conservative and tell him to just subcise the individual scars with a small needle

whats wrong with this bruising? what did you expect?

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Just my two cents worth- a patient can give accusations of how their procedure was performed, their journey, results, side effects and outcomes- either positive or negative, however can tell the story in away which may not reflect the real journey. The real journey can be demonstrated only via a complete medical record, and not 'snippets'. As patients we have a right to our medical notes, and posting the entire medical record will give absolute transparency to any journey. If some one is unhappy about their treatment with who ever, sure, post the comments,  how they feel, de-identity their name, however post all clinical records from start to finish including all email correspondence. This keeps the review in balance. Remember, doctors are not allowed on any forums, nor do they have the rights to post clinical notes online. If allegations are indeed true and a case was handled inappropriately, then the patient has every right to sue the doctor for malpractice. The other side of the coin is that if lies are told by the patient on public domain and forums, the doctor can only resolve this issue in the court of law- this is where defamation comes in. I suspect that thread and Lim's post hinted to this event.  This forum is filled with good moderators and is intended to help patients, I think transparency of any negative (or even positive review) will add to more credibility to any post. Privacy of the member can easily be protected, however doctors can be legally exposed if malpractice was involved. We have the rights to our own clinical notes, and this empowers patents. This forum also empowers patients with knowledge from expert moderators like BA, so when we see doctors, we probably have more knowledge about our condition that most practitioners who are interested in capital gain than really helping acne scar patients. 

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Syd was hesitant to reveal her full medical notes saying why should I post my notes to a stranger. Well it works both ways, we could say why should we believe a random posters. I have no doubt we were told only partially of the story. 

I do believe she was a real patient. I also do believe she ommitted a few facts, because she kept adding bits and pieces to her story along the way, instead of writing a detailed account from the beginning. 

It looks like Syd deleted her rate mds review. Hmmm.

Edited by ScarRight

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For anyone relying on ratemd and realself, take the reviews with a grain of salt.  There are tons of reviews on realself that are HIGHLY suspect.  They are literally a few sentences long, with zero photographic evidence and zero follow-up.  A lot of the reviews are more than likely fake, to artificially inflate a rating or to drown out the really bad reviews.  Additionally, the doctors pay a subscription fee to to Realself, so there is clearly a conflict of interest when it comes to transparency.  They are notorious for deleting negative reviews when doctors complain about them.  

I would rely on acne.org more than realself any day of the week. 

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