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If one gives Prednisone 50 mg for two days, add PRP under occlusion, the downtime can be reduced to 3 days. Deeper the treatment, faster the recovery, as one spares collateral damage to the upper layers of the skin (the paradox of laser treatments). For rolling and tethered scars even at level 20 , PD 600,  3.5 mm, one can achieve 3 days downtime with CS ointment, PRP, and Prednisone. A good dermatologist will always keep your downtime to a minimum, but at the same time treat tailor an optimal treatment for your scars. 

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Just want to give you all an update on my infini treatment. So far, I've had three infini treatments. I will be getting my fourth treatment in about a month and I will probably keep having treatments until I stop seeing improvement. As of right now, I would say that Infini is the only treatment that has given me substantial results. I noticed a difference around a month after my first treatment. With the second treatment, I felt that I couldn't see much of a difference but once I had my third treatment, I really noticed a huge change. Infini seems to be good for filling in scars. Prior to noticing the results from this third treatment I was going to have fillers injected after I completed my series of Infini treatment because I didn't know how much Infini could actually fill in scars but now I really do think that Infini can either completely fill in my scars or come extremely close to filling them in completely. I don't see why they wouldn't get filled up eventually but who knows, I may stop seeing results eventually but I'm hoping for the best. During my third treatment, I asked the doctor if he could be more aggressive with the treatment because I wasn't sure if I saw any difference after the second treatment so he changed the depth levels. He treated the scars at a depth level of .08 while also treating them at a depth level of 1.5. This seems to have made a huge difference although the recovery is a bit longer but really only in the sense that the swelling seemed to be prolonged. There was also more of a resurfacing effect whereas when he was only treating me at the deeper levels, I wasn't really getting much resurfacing. The resurfacing was very minor but it was definitely something I noticed. Now that I'm able to get the scars to be somewhat at a more even level with the rest of the surrounding skin, I'm thinking of eventually having a recell treatment to get the scar tissue to look a bit more like unscarred skin. I've been in communication with Dr. Rawlings in the U.K. and at the time he told me that if my primary issue was not scar texture then he wouldn't recommend Recell but now that my scars are filling in I will reach out to him again to have some dermabrasion or laser along with Recell. I'm also considering trying profractional after I stop seeing a change with Infini and maybe profractional can help with scar texture. I'd rather try profractional as opposed to flying all the way to the UK and spending over $7000 in flight/accommodation etc. Another thing I noticed with Infini is that it helps untether your scars slowly. One of my scars was a bit tethered before but I'd say that there seems to be no tethering any more as far as I can tell. I'm really relieved and happy to finally find a treatment that makes a difference. Just wanted to share my experience with everyone. All the best to you guys. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. One more important thing that I should mention is that my scars are actually atrophic surgical scars as opposed to acne scars. They're probably most similar to box car acne scars. 

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2 hours ago, sousou_bella said:
Just want to give you all an update on my infini treatment. So far, I've had three infini treatments. I will be getting my fourth treatment in about a month and I will probably keep having treatments until I stop seeing improvement. As of right now, I would say that Infini is the only treatment that has given me substantial results. I noticed a difference around a month after my first treatment. With the second treatment, I felt that I couldn't see much of a difference but once I had my third treatment, I really noticed a huge change. Infini seems to be good for filling in scars. Prior to noticing the results from this third treatment I was going to have fillers injected after I completed my series of Infini treatment because I didn't know how much Infini could actually fill in scars but now I really do think that Infini can either completely fill in my scars or come extremely close to filling them in completely. I don't see why they wouldn't get filled up eventually but who knows, I may stop seeing results eventually but I'm hoping for the best. During my third treatment, I asked the doctor if he could be more aggressive with the treatment because I wasn't sure if I saw any difference after the second treatment so he changed the depth levels. He treated the scars at a depth level of .08 while also treating them at a depth level of 1.5. This seems to have made a huge difference although the recovery is a bit longer but really only in the sense that the swelling seemed to be prolonged. There was also more of a resurfacing effect whereas when he was only treating me at the deeper levels, I wasn't really getting much resurfacing. The resurfacing was very minor but it was definitely something I noticed. Now that I'm able to get the scars to be somewhat at a more even level with the rest of the surrounding skin, I'm thinking of eventually having a recell treatment to get the scar tissue to look a bit more like unscarred skin. I've been in communication with Dr. Rawlings in the U.K. and at the time he told me that if my primary issue was not scar texture then he wouldn't recommend Recell but now that my scars are filling in I will reach out to him again to have some dermabrasion or laser along with Recell. I'm also considering trying profractional after I stop seeing a change with Infini and maybe profractional can help with scar texture. I'd rather try profractional as opposed to flying all the way to the UK and spending over $7000 in flight/accommodation etc. Another thing I noticed with Infini is that it helps untether your scars slowly. One of my scars was a bit tethered before but I'd say that there seems to be no tethering any more as far as I can tell. I'm really relieved and happy to finally find a treatment that makes a difference. Just wanted to share my experience with everyone. All the best to you guys. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. One more important thing that I should mention is that my scars are actually atrophic surgical scars as opposed to acne scars. They're probably most similar to box car acne scars. 
Where do you get this treatment?

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11 minutes ago, Anonymous432 said:
@sousou_bella Haven't seen you post about Infini before. What was the timing of your 4 treatments / how were they spaced out?

Hi there,

Yes, I've been a lurker for years :) They were spaced out by about 6 to 8 weeks. I've only had three treatments so far....my next one will be my 4th
3 hours ago, Noa27 said:
5 hours ago, sousou_bella said:
Just want to give you all an update on my infini treatment. So far, I've had three infini treatments. I will be getting my fourth treatment in about a month and I will probably keep having treatments until I stop seeing improvement. As of right now, I would say that Infini is the only treatment that has given me substantial results. I noticed a difference around a month after my first treatment. With the second treatment, I felt that I couldn't see much of a difference but once I had my third treatment, I really noticed a huge change. Infini seems to be good for filling in scars. Prior to noticing the results from this third treatment I was going to have fillers injected after I completed my series of Infini treatment because I didn't know how much Infini could actually fill in scars but now I really do think that Infini can either completely fill in my scars or come extremely close to filling them in completely. I don't see why they wouldn't get filled up eventually but who knows, I may stop seeing results eventually but I'm hoping for the best. During my third treatment, I asked the doctor if he could be more aggressive with the treatment because I wasn't sure if I saw any difference after the second treatment so he changed the depth levels. He treated the scars at a depth level of .08 while also treating them at a depth level of 1.5. This seems to have made a huge difference although the recovery is a bit longer but really only in the sense that the swelling seemed to be prolonged. There was also more of a resurfacing effect whereas when he was only treating me at the deeper levels, I wasn't really getting much resurfacing. The resurfacing was very minor but it was definitely something I noticed. Now that I'm able to get the scars to be somewhat at a more even level with the rest of the surrounding skin, I'm thinking of eventually having a recell treatment to get the scar tissue to look a bit more like unscarred skin. I've been in communication with Dr. Rawlings in the U.K. and at the time he told me that if my primary issue was not scar texture then he wouldn't recommend Recell but now that my scars are filling in I will reach out to him again to have some dermabrasion or laser along with Recell. I'm also considering trying profractional after I stop seeing a change with Infini and maybe profractional can help with scar texture. I'd rather try profractional as opposed to flying all the way to the UK and spending over $7000 in flight/accommodation etc. Another thing I noticed with Infini is that it helps untether your scars slowly. One of my scars was a bit tethered before but I'd say that there seems to be no tethering any more as far as I can tell. I'm really relieved and happy to finally find a treatment that makes a difference. Just wanted to share my experience with everyone. All the best to you guys. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. One more important thing that I should mention is that my scars are actually atrophic surgical scars as opposed to acne scars. They're probably most similar to box car acne scars. 
Where do you get this treatment?

 I received mine in Ottawa at a dermatologist's clinic in Hull

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Hi guys!

Would it be reasonable to have Infini done ONLY on the forehead?
Why? Still too s*scared of the side effects, I value the fat on my cheeks too much, afraid to lose even a slight bit of it. Also, I have been noticing inceremental results on my cheeks w other treatments. Forehead pretty much 0 response. Also, just had filler in my cheeks (I think it was Juvederm Volbella). The doc discouraged me from needling or even peeling the cheeks until the filler wears off (according to him, should be at least 6 months).

Can I have any side effects, like permanent discolouration between forehead and the rest of my face if I do infini only on forehead?
 

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@eva_li Hey Eva, did you also have some Nokor subcision with your fillers? How did you like the doc - would you recommend him? Did he also have good things to say about Infini?

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@Nina22 just finished and send a long PM to you ;)
I will comment more on my experience w fillers in my thread not to sidetrack this one :) Edited by eva_li

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4 hours ago, eva_li said:

Hi guys!

Would it be reasonable to have Infini done ONLY on the forehead?
Why? Still too s*scared of the side effects, I value the fat on my cheeks too much, afraid to lose even a slight bit of it. Also, I have been noticing inceremental results on my cheeks w other treatments. Forehead pretty much 0 response. Also, just had filler in my cheeks (I think it was Juvederm Volbella). The doc discouraged me from needling or even peeling the cheeks until the filler wears off (according to him, should be at least 6 months).

Can I have any side effects, like permanent discolouration between forehead and the rest of my face if I do infini only on forehead?
 


Yes, but I wouldn't expect too much improvement from Infini. Forehead is like a little spoiled kid who kicks and cries until you give into what he wants. Also considering its high cost for such a small return, it probably would make more sense to opt for other cost-effective treatments. As far as discoloration goes, anything is possible. It all depends on your healing factors.

BTW on the cheeks, it's my opinion that having fillers injected before Infini will yield better collagen stimulation. Hence, better results. But I digress. 

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@Sirius Lee Infini where I live is reasonably priced. Pretty much the same price as for PRP (less than 300EUR). That wont be an issue. Some others who advised me here think Infini could yield amazing results on forehead.
What are the other cost-effective options? Most doctors refused to subcise the scars that bother me there since its too risky for them. Botox without subcision? I might try but am skeptical.

Regarding the filler-Infini stimulation Im gonna talk about it elsewhere.

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The downtime of Infini is dependent on many factors including-
1. Level  it goes from one to twenty ( measured in watts)
2 The pulse duration (all the way to 1 second)
3 The depth- deeper the shorter the downtime (within reason and anatomy)
4 The number of vertical passes eg. 3.5   2  1 mm vs only one vertical pass e.g. at 3.0 mm
5 The number of over laps
6 The pre prep (eg HQ or tretinoin) - this has a bearing on grids. Grids are also proportional to depth. 
Shallower the more chance of gridding
7 The operator- MOST IMPORTANT, Infini is high powered (IMO its too high powered for the level of insulation it 
can cope with). IF the operator prematurely withdrawals (no pun intended nor trying to be smirk), then the energy burst is not at the desired level. Take for example someone new. They dial in Level 10, PD of 500 ms and intend to go to 3.5 mm BUT as they deliver the second pulse and time it all wrong, it gets delivered at 0.3 mm as they withdrawl- thats when you see all those irregular grids and raised areas that people on other forums post- thats operator dependent error. 
8 Insulation failure - that is when carbon builds up (not good). Good operator will always alway check and change on the run. In some cases of severe scarring with high levels and long PD, insulation will fail, and tip change should not be compromised. 
9 Post procedure aftercare- PRP to decrease healing time (his latest video on masks shows the ?logic behind this- but he also admits on many talks that more studies needed to see if PRP actually changes or improves scar remodelling. However it does reduce healing time from 3-5 days to a predictable 3 days even with aggressive treatment coupled with CO2 low density 
10 Post procedure predisione- yes, continual debate regarding inflammation and wound healing but a one off does reduces swelling dramatically. Post op arnica can possibly help as well- many other herbal remedies - yet to be proven or dispelled. 
11 Complications - most specialist give doxycycline as an anti inflammatory and to reduce chances of staph. 
12 Your own immune system and skin history. eg. if you are prone to rosacea, flushing etc... longer recovery. 
Think I will leave it at 12, will add half a dozen more less important variables. Oh, forgot the question about healing, done properly it should be 2-6 days. I keep stressing a good operator will ALWAYS adjust on the run, as the feel for scar resistance will determine the desired depth. Can not overstress this. Infini is just a device, with a good operator one can get very similar results with non- insulated Intensif, or even with Intracel (takes 4 times as long - and within reason due to depth of needles). 

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On 2/23/2018 at 1:44 AM, Obi wan said:

If one gives Prednisone 50 mg for two days, add PRP under occlusion, the downtime can be reduced to 3 days. Deeper the treatment, faster the recovery, as one spares collateral damage to the upper layers of the skin (the paradox of laser treatments). For rolling and tethered scars even at level 20 , PD 600,  3.5 mm, one can achieve 3 days downtime with CS ointment, PRP, and Prednisone. A good dermatologist will always keep your downtime to a minimum, but at the same time treat tailor an optimal treatment for your scars. 

isnt level 20 waaayy to high? I had one with a doc and she put it at level 3, higher levels make the heat just dessipitate around the needle, lower energy with long pd like 300-400 spreads the heat out more.( she is in constant communication w lutronic and this is a new protocol). Anyway had 2nd infini at one office then drove across town to get prp from another doc, he injected the prp ran a mild fraxel over it and then did prp over it again in injection form and squirt and rub.

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I would say that is about 60% improvement, good job.  How long after your third tx are these improvments? Aldo do you know te settings your doctor did the infini tx?

thank you

On 11/26/2017 at 1:05 PM, Obi wan said:

Temples easy and hard to treat. Hard due to deeper anatomy- artery vein nerves, easy because the scars in this area are usually superficially tethered. Lipo-wiper subcision with spacer filler can easily sort 60-70% of scars in two sessions- safely. One has to be very superficial, but deep enough to break the bonds holding down the top part of your skin causing puckering. That is a good, and expected improvement with Infini. You have little or no clinically significant fibrosis, as the needles do actually go into your skin. Great job! Stay positive. 

what is a lipo wiper subcision, sorry. Im familiar with subcision w NOKOR bc ive gotten them but what is lipo wiper subcision?  Thanks

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@Amp2695 Obi Wan can give his objective advice. I agree with Your nurse who was trained by Weiner. I would do 3-4 level and the pulse dur you mentioned above. This is the new optimal setting. Dr's of course can push the setting higher but it's not beneficial as shown in histology on pig skin. The orig setting were much higher but saw poor results. The spread as you mentioned was found by Weiner the Ambassador of Infini to be better at your Nurse's levels. Nothing here is concrete you read, as such take it as a educational source and not a definite setting. Read Real Self by Doctors they confirm (Weiner) these settings.

Wiper lipo is just moving a needle back and forth. Nokor is of course better it's a scalpel. 

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