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After reading alot on this forum, eventually I decided to go to a professional. And I'm glad I did, this stuff isn't easy (atleast not for me).

Got my first treatment 6 weeks ago, the therapeut did 0.25 mm on forehead and 0.75 mm on cheaks. Skin reacted good on this.

Yesterday had my second treatment, 0.75 on forehead and 1.0 on cheaks. Today, skins is a bit red, but healing good.

Next time we'll do the same depth, but she'll go deeper (up to 1.75) on the scars. That will be the last for the summer as I'm finding it very difficult to avoid the sun.

It all seems very professional and they listen very good to the patient. The first time I had to stick my head in a device that made all sorts of pictures with different lighting, good for analysis and comparison afterwards.  Every sessions is 140 euro's, but its worth it.

I´ve heared that fasting helps heal scar tissue, next month is the holy month of Ramadan, I´m curious if it´ll affect the healing process.

Thanks for all the info, stay strong!

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16 hours ago, Aaron888 said:

After reading alot on this forum, eventually I decided to go to a professional. And I'm glad I did, this stuff isn't easy (atleast not for me).

Got my first treatment 6 weeks ago, the therapeut did 0.25 mm on forehead and 0.75 mm on cheaks. Skin reacted good on this.

Yesterday had my second treatment, 0.75 on forehead and 1.0 on cheaks. Today, skins is a bit red, but healing good.

Next time we'll do the same depth, but she'll go deeper (up to 1.75) on the scars. That will be the last for the summer as I'm finding it very difficult to avoid the sun.

It all seems very professional and they listen very good to the patient. The first time I had to stick my head in a device that made all sorts of pictures with different lighting, good for analysis and comparison afterwards.  Every sessions is 140 euro's, but its worth it.

I´ve heared that fasting helps heal scar tissue, next month is the holy month of Ramadan, I´m curious if it´ll affect the healing process.

Thanks for all the info, stay strong!

Hi Aaron, all the best for the treatment. i've heard about the healing method by fasting too. please do keep us updated with the result during your fasting month. i too suffer from slower healing time and would like to know what's gone wrong .

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On 4/21/2019 at 6:44 AM, poorbunny888 said:

Hi Aaron, all the best for the treatment. i've heard about the healing method by fasting too. please do keep us updated with the result during your fasting month. i too suffer from slower healing time and would like to know what's gone wrong .

 

Thank you!

As far as healing is concerned, I discovered this creme called Bepanthen, not sure how it's called in US. But helps the healing process of scabs remarkably.

I´ll defenitely share my fasting experience.

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I just created a thread regarding this issue, but have any of you developed a hypertrophic scar around or near an atrophic scar from needling? Single needling has caused me some minor hypertrophic scarring around a boxcar. Needling has also helped me get rid of hypertrophic scarring (and atrophic) In the past, but I’m not sure if I should do my monthly needling next week or sit this one out and hope the raised scarring will improve with time and/or topicals. 

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Are there any other places (beside owndoc) where I can by Derminator? They do not ship to my country.

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@Candy Says Yes they don't sell to Russia I suppose because of fraud, same with China, Middle East, and some part of Eastern Europe with heavy fraud. I would use a forwarder or reshipper (Google it) - they have a physical address, who you can buy, mail there, in Europe, and then they mail to Russia. Or travel (holiday) to somewhere in the EU / Eastern Europe they allow and have it shipped there. Have a Russian you know from the EU re-ship it to you. 

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I live in the Canada. Unfortunately Infadolan is not shipped anymore. I was using that ointment for my previous dema sessions which worked great. What is a good alternative to that?

 

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@455025_1443952507 A pure or as simple as possible HA serum is fine. I actually think the Infaolan is pointless and often don't recommend it. It can break out more people than not. Your skin will close up within 24 hrs, then you can put whatever you want, including skin care. 

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On 5/4/2019 at 10:03 AM, beautifulambition said:

@455025_1443952507 A pure or as simple as possible HA serum is fine. I actually think the Infaolan is pointless and often don't recommend it. It can break out more people than not. Your skin will close up within 24 hrs, then you can put whatever you want, including skin care. 

Thanks. If I want to do a chemical peel a following month after needling. Which one do you recommend, considering I'm a first timer?

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I got my derminator last week, did a thourough 1 pass with 1mm on cheeks/temple and 0.5 mm on forehead/front of face. 

2 days later I am already recovered, a little redness looks like I've been out in the sun too long. 

In 1 month if I get a chance between my treatments I would like to do 1.5mm, 3 passes on my cheek and temple scars, but streching the skin hard with medical tape and pressing down with a little more force. I will still stick to 0.5 on my forehead and front of face, where I have no scarring. 

Can't wait. 

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Can't edit my previous post.  I just want to add that I intend to only use needle cartridges once.

AND I now see on owndoc they tell you to sterilize with a substance. Can we actually truly sterilize those needles at home and are the neddles at the doctors office actually sterile or just disinfected?

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@SaraTheGerman The needles are completly sterile in the package. You only use dish soap and a tooth brush / alcohol if you want to sterile them for use again. 

I believe the edit function is not working right now, ... I told the Admin's that. 

The substance Owndoc says is for further use of the needles after one time, ... your skin is a different matter and must be sterilized before treatment. 

Dr's offices use much higher methods of sterilization with devices to clean instruments, but they would never reuse microneedle needles. IT does not make since from a labor standpoint. Now since it's only for you then you may do it, 2 or 3 times, if you do it too many time there is he issue with sterility and with blunt needles hurting and possible damage. 

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3 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

@SaraTheGerman The needles are completly sterile in the package. You only use dish soap and a tooth brush / alcohol if you want to sterile them for use again. 

I believe the edit function is not working right now, ... I told the Admin's that. 

The substance Owndoc says is for further use of the needles after one time, ... your skin is a different matter and must be sterilized before treatment. 

Dr's offices use much higher methods of sterilization with devices to clean instruments, but they would never reuse microneedle needles. IT does not make since from a labor standpoint. Now since it's only for you then you may do it, 2 or 3 times, if you do it too many time there is he issue with sterility and with blunt needles hurting and possible damage. 

Thank you for responding!

So since I only intend to use them once I just use them straight out of the package and disinfect skin with alcohol?

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1) I had some RF microneedling procedures done at a plastic surgeon's office and was able to tolerate it well with lidocaine. Do you think I could start with 1.5 on my face or should I stick to 0.5 for now?

2) Has anyone tried dermarolling bacne scars/hyperpigmentation? Because I have a crapton of them and no doctor I've talked to has been willing to treat it besides giving me hydroquinone and retin-a (actually my first derm suggested I get a back tattoo...).

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@aspirin Sorry RF needling has nothing to do with this post, rf needling is like a laser, ... microneedling is manual. Your Dr whould know the depth to go with rf needling, otherwise they will mess up your face. You need to goto someone very experienced. .5 seems to shallow for rf needling. 

Dermarolling alone on body scars will not fix hyperpigmenatation or bacne. You can do it as a at home treatment. Some also peel, use topicals... the most effective is co2 laser and steriod. Your going to general dermatologists, ... you need a aesthetics clinic or med spa. 

 

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, how do you minimise pain when using the derminator. Does anyone know where in the UK one can buy the numbing creams used by aesthetic clinics?

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I believe you are the most interested in Group III.

I quote : "All patients received six sessions with 2‐week intervals. [...] Group III: Patients in this group were treated with dermapen and GA 35% every 2‐week interval for six sessions alternating with each other."

Group III basically got 3 sessions of dermapen and 3 sessions of GA-Peel, alternating every 2 weeks. The other two groups received 6 sessions of either dermapen or GA-Peel.

 

Hope this helps.

 

This study is a little suspicious tho.

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@Cazzzed7 I frankly do not know why people do this type of thing. They push treating to often, they expect mega - multi - modality treatments, they think they will magically make their scars disappear. This is a marathon not a race. What could is rushing. That study has been in our library for years now. It's a thesis. What is a it's a idea. You try to prove your opinion. You kick out all the poor healers, those who do not respond well, and those who do not meet your end goal.   Now you will have micro swelling and people go crazy for this thinking it's magical, this is not long lasting healing. You tell me does it sound like a good idea to jack hammer your face every 2 weeks. I have patients who do this, ... PM me and freak out saying their face is ruined, large pores, all that. The first thing I say to them is STOP! You only get one face. We are not stripping off paint or jack hammering the road. Collagen is extremely extremely slow to heal. All the sensitivity, healing issues, redness, complaints, are mostly from treating to often with a Dr or over treating at home. .5mm microneedling can be done more often, but does very little for scars. Most people only needle 1mm to 1.5mm once a month, we have data proving this as well (general healing of wounds). Regarding peels unless your using a light toner the treatment time needs to be one month apart. OF course you can experiment and do whatever you wish to your skin. 

Dr's can sometimes get away with treating more often or doing something more aggressive, why, steroids, patient selection of those who heal quickly - well (not most acne scar patients), or they spot treat only the scar. Your Chemical Peel's will never be the quality of a Dr's medical grade compounded peels. If you have time to be Red and have ongoing PIE and hyperpigmentation be my guest. Notice the study has B&A pics, not during this treatment and what is endured. IF you have the time and can hide from the world non-stop then maybe this is the treatment for you ;-) , for everyone else please allow healing time. 

NEVER needle or peel on fresh  or raw wounds. 

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Used the derminator for the first time last night after doing 5 sessions of a Dr. Pen cheap chinese dermapen. The derminator felt like it's working better but I will wait till a few weeks to see results. I didn't feel like I had any improvement at all from the 5 dermapen sessions, so I'm not fully convinced yet of microneedling. My scars are shallow and textural, so only in indirect lighting can I see how bad they are.

How long after microneedling can I resume tretinoin? 

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