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I've been able to find love with acne scars. I was in another relationship when I started breaking out bad. We broke up, but not because of my acne. It was an unhealthy relationship and I'm thankful I'm out of it. I didn't really date after that for a while, I became really withdrawn. But then I met a guy quite randomly, we became good friends, we had a lot in common, we were both geeky, he loved dogs, I was able to confide in him and relax around him, we were able to talk very openly to eachother about everything, he made me laugh so much and was always so optimistic about things which I really needed around me at the time, and then we realized we fell in love and we started dating. I do wonder why he's with me sometimes, since there's so many girls who are way prettier than me, but he always assures me and tells me he could care less about my scars and that he doesn't want any one else. Now unless I wanna be a self-pitying bitch and not take his word and possibly annoy the hell out of him because I refuse to trust him, I believe him. My scars do still bug me, and I am still trying to improve their appearance, but I don't worry as much about what people think.... you don't want to be friends with judgemental pricks anyway.

And I can't speak for all girls since some are quite superficial, but honestly I really do care about personality much more than looks, especially after being with a "good-looking" asshole for so many years. And the older one gets, the more true I think this is. We grow more mature and realize there's much more important aspects we want in a mate than just looks. Back in highschool I remember this guy with bad acne and scarring, but yet he always got so many girls. Girls LOVED him. His guy friends would sometimes make fun of him about his face, jokingly of course, but girls were still head over heels for him.

My advice, work on yourself, and try to find some sorta peace. Figure out what sorta things you like and what makes you happy or feel important: hiking, animals, volunteering at an animal shelter/ helping the homeless, art/drawing, games, comics, comic-cons, books, the gym, cooking, gardening, cars, if your religious, maybe get more involved with your religious group, etc. Improve yourself. Try to get healthy if your not already--- no need for bulky muscles, but just overall health, its attractive to be healthy. Be kind (but don't be a pushover lol), understanding, and be a gentleman. Do something that makes you happy. Smiling is attractive too, and helps put people at ease. Get out. Try to live the best you can. I think this is the best way to try to meet someone, but as other said, there is always the internet, but I still think becoming friends first is a good idea. And I don't know how bad your scars are, but in many cases it can be improved, but you need to make sure your acne is under control first. And I'm really sorry people have said negative things about you. I know its hard, but try not to dwell too much on it. It really says more about them than it does you. Just, I really think the most important "lesson" about having acne and scars, is learning to be humble, having empathy (even for assholes), and being less of a judgemental prick yourself (if you were one lol). Its okay to feel down every now and then, and letting it out, but don't get caught in that cycle. I wish you the best in your future! :)

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I'm a 34 year old male virgin who has never been on a date, or has had any sort of sexual experience with a woman. I've never even had any female friends. I probably have some personality issues, but the number one reason I believe is my acne and the subsequent scarring that I've had since I was 14. Has anyone overcame the odds and found dating success and or love despite having this genetic flaw? I often cringe when I walk by a woman and imagine what she thinks about my deformed face. I often imagine my female co-workers saying disparaging things about how I look. Even though I've controlled my adult acne, my scarring has made me feel like this will be a permanent affliction in my life.

I am a 30 yr old virgin who also doesnt date because of acne. Why dont you look for a woman with acne??? She might b feeling just as insecure as you are!

As for that prostitute comment that was posted. Well if all you're after is sex then alright. Is that all that guys really want? That isnt going to lead to meaningful companionship. If u really want a relationship i think you have to make the move - i suppose i am old fashioned but i would never ask a guy out i am just too shy. But dont go for someone who looks like barbie !! Take a chance on a girl who you might consider to be plain or frumpy - but who might turn out to b amazing once you get to know her. Well thats my opinion anyway :)

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

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I don't believe he has to find someone else with acne and insecurity issues. It doesn't make sense. We can't allow people to degrade us just because we have something we can't control. I refuse to believe that someone with clear skin can't find interest in someone with acne, I just can't and it doesn't make sense. There are plenty of people who have found love with acne and their partner's face is clear. If you believe that you can't then obviously it's not going to happen because your thoughts are attracting all that negativity into the universe.

I've had someone with clear skin break my heart when my face got really bad, but it wasn't because there was something wrong with me, it was because there was something clearly wrong with him. I respected his decision to leave and I realized that I deserved better than a shallow bastard. Would it be nice to have clearer skin and not have gone through that? Maybe. But I wouldn't want to be with someone just because he likes the way I look.

Just because we have acne or scars doesn't mean that we're not considered worthy in society. Yes, people are fucked up, but we can't allow them to make us feel bad and believe that they are better than us because they're not.

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I'm a 34 year old male virgin who has never been on a date, or has had any sort of sexual experience with a woman. I've never even had any female friends. I probably have some personality issues, but the number one reason I believe is my acne and the subsequent scarring that I've had since I was 14. Has anyone overcame the odds and found dating success and or love despite having this genetic flaw? I often cringe when I walk by a woman and imagine what she thinks about my deformed face. I often imagine my female co-workers saying disparaging things about how I look. Even though I've controlled my adult acne, my scarring has made me feel like this will be a permanent affliction in my life.

I am a 30 yr old virgin who also doesnt date because of acne. Why dont you look for a woman with acne??? She might b feeling just as insecure as you are!

As for that prostitute comment that was posted. Well if all you're after is sex then alright. Is that all that guys really want? That isnt going to lead to meaningful companionship. If u really want a relationship i think you have to make the move - i suppose i am old fashioned but i would never ask a guy out i am just too shy. But dont go for someone who looks like barbie !! Take a chance on a girl who you might consider to be plain or frumpy - but who might turn out to b amazing once you get to know her. Well thats my opinion anyway :)

I have tried that before. It didn't work.

Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

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I don't believe he has to find someone else with acne and insecurity issues. It doesn't make sense. We can't allow people to degrade us just because we have something we can't control. I refuse to believe that someone with clear skin can't find interest in someone with acne, I just can't and it doesn't make sense. There are plenty of people who have found love with acne and their partner's face is clear. If you believe that you can't then obviously it's not going to happen because your thoughts are attracting all that negativity into the universe.

I've had someone with clear skin break my heart when my face got really bad, but it wasn't because there was something wrong with me, it was because there was something clearly wrong with him. I respected his decision to leave and I realized that I deserved better than a shallow bastard. Would it be nice to have clearer skin and not have gone through that? Maybe. But I wouldn't want to be with someone just because he likes the way I look.

Just because we have acne or scars doesn't mean that we're not considered worthy in society. Yes, people are fucked up, but we can't allow them to make us feel bad and believe that they are better than us because they're not.

You are right someone with acne should not b considered unworthy or feel they can only date another person with acne. I am definitely not saying that. I guess i am just saying that someone who has the same condition as you might b more understanding about what you're going through. I suppose personally i would like to date a guy with acne because i feel he would understand me better and vice versa.

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I don't have any experience as well, but i don't see the dating rules as binary as most of you do. But maybe I'm just beeing naive.

There are both examples and counter examples everywhere to what you are saying.

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

Do you think that I have the time and money to meet every single person on the planet? Of course I have to base my conclusions on some people. I have problems, but I am not really crazy. Most people are very simple minded.

I am not deemed conventionally attractive *already*, regardless of my personality and regardless whether people know me or not. Do you think that I am talking like this for fun???

You are saying that there are ways to increase my chances and then you don't proceed to explain those ways. Why stop there? Do you think I can read your mind or something?

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

Do you think that I have the time and money to meet every single person on the planet? Of course I have to base my conclusions on some people. I have problems, but I am not really crazy. Most people are very simple minded.

I am not deemed conventionally attractive *already*, regardless of my personality and regardless whether people know me or not. Do you think that I am talking like this for fun???

You are saying that there are ways to increase my chances and then you don't proceed to explain those ways. Why stop there? Do you think I can read your mind or something?

I agree. Most people operate only slightly above the lizard-brain level. That is, only slightly above animal instinct.

Anyway, now that my hormones are calming, I don't masturbate as often as I used to, but in high school and college, that was the only thing that kept me sane! Also, I don't waste my time with online dating and looking for a GF/wife and instead when I get the urge for some female touch and "companionship" I go to a strip club 2 states away.

I am not afraid of dying alone because alone is all I have ever been and when my parents are no longer alive, I will truly be alone....but I am ok with that.....I am an observer of the human species... and sometimes a participant...

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

Do you think that I have the time and money to meet every single person on the planet? Of course I have to base my conclusions on some people. I have problems, but I am not really crazy. Most people are very simple minded.

I am not deemed conventionally attractive *already*, regardless of my personality and regardless whether people know me or not. Do you think that I am talking like this for fun???

You are saying that there are ways to increase my chances and then you don't proceed to explain those ways. Why stop there? Do you think I can read your mind or something?

I never said that, but you have the internet don't you? Not to mention it's still unfair to group people together. Like for example, the only lesbians I personally know happen to be pretty geeky (not saying there's anything wrong with that), but I don't assume that all lesbians are that way just because the ones I know are.

I don't think you are talking like this for fun, and I'm genuinely sorry that you've been dealt a bad hand. My point with the personality thing was that the people who are honestly attracted to personality over appearance are going to be driven away, and you don't want to do that because they're not common to come across. I had thought I implied your way to increase your chances in my previous post but I probably wasn't clear enough so I'll reiterate.

First of all putting yourself out there always increases your chances because of the simple fact that you will meet more people. More importantly though is having a welcoming demeanor, and being generally pleasant. Even though people may not be physically attracted to you, its possible to draw them in with a good personality. This doesn't mean you have to be bubbly and optimistic or anything, but being caring, tolerant, and trustworthy is important and well received by everyone but bigots.

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

Do you think that I have the time and money to meet every single person on the planet? Of course I have to base my conclusions on some people. I have problems, but I am not really crazy. Most people are very simple minded.

I am not deemed conventionally attractive *already*, regardless of my personality and regardless whether people know me or not. Do you think that I am talking like this for fun???

You are saying that there are ways to increase my chances and then you don't proceed to explain those ways. Why stop there? Do you think I can read your mind or something?

I never said that, but you have the internet don't you? Not to mention it's still unfair to group people together. Like for example, the only lesbians I personally know happen to be pretty geeky (not saying there's anything wrong with that), but I don't assume that all lesbians are that way just because the ones I know are.

I don't think you are talking like this for fun, and I'm genuinely sorry that you've been dealt a bad hand. My point with the personality thing was that the people who are honestly attracted to personality over appearance are going to be driven away, and you don't want to do that because they're not common to come across. I had thought I implied your way to increase your chances in my previous post but I probably wasn't clear enough so I'll reiterate.

First of all putting yourself out there always increases your chances because of the simple fact that you will meet more people. More importantly though is having a welcoming demeanor, and being generally pleasant. Even though people may not be physically attracted to you, its possible to draw them in with a good personality. This doesn't mean you have to be bubbly and optimistic or anything, but being caring, tolerant, and trustworthy is important and well received by everyone but bigots.

I don't think there are people attracted to personality over appearance. I have never met them. From my experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible to draw people in with a good personality. I am not allowed to hang out with people. No one wants to do that with me, regardless of how my personality is. I am not a shitty person. I am surrounded by shitty people and the psychologists of the social skills training confirmed that.

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I don't think there are people attracted to personality over appearance. I have never met them. From my experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible to draw people in with a good personality. I am not allowed to hang out with people. No one wants to do that with me, regardless of how my personality is. I am not a shitty person. I am surrounded by shitty people and the psychologists of the social skills training confirmed that.

There ARE, but it's much more uncommon. I can tell you from my experience that it is not impossible to draw people in with a good personality.

I don't know what you mean by you're not allowed to hang out with people though.

Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

In general women are more pickier than men. It's been proven with studies with online dating that show that women only gravitate towards the 10-20% of men that are best looking and avoid the other 80% entirely.

I would never listen to women regarding dating advice because what they say is never reality. They just want to look good by saying what is socially acceptable.

"As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh."

- Okcupid study

...So you think I'm lying just because I have a uterus? If I wanted to look good by saying what is socially acceptable I would say I think everyone is beautiful/handsome and that I was one of those people who don't care at all about appearances at all. Well, I'm not.

Can you guys stop acting like men are the victim to the horrible, vain women? Guess what, a lot of guys judge women on how they look too. Its society, not gender. Could you tell me without bullshiting that you'd be interested in a "hideous" woman if you were attractive looking yourself?

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I don't think there are people attracted to personality over appearance. I have never met them. From my experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible to draw people in with a good personality. I am not allowed to hang out with people. No one wants to do that with me, regardless of how my personality is. I am not a shitty person. I am surrounded by shitty people and the psychologists of the social skills training confirmed that.

There ARE, but it's much more uncommon. I can tell you from my experience that it is not impossible to draw people in with a good personality.

I don't know what you mean by you're not allowed to hang out with people though.

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

In general women are more pickier than men. It's been proven with studies with online dating that show that women only gravitate towards the 10-20% of men that are best looking and avoid the other 80% entirely.

I would never listen to women regarding dating advice because what they say is never reality. They just want to look good by saying what is socially acceptable.

"As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh."

- Okcupid study

...So you think I'm lying just because I have a uterus? If I wanted to look good by saying what is socially acceptable I would say I think everyone is beautiful/handsome and that I was one of those people who don't care at all about appearances at all. Well, I'm not.

Can you guys stop acting like men are the victim to the horrible, vain women? Guess what, a lot of guys judge women on how they look too. Its society, not gender. Could you tell me without bullshiting that you'd be interested in a "hideous" woman if you were attractive looking yourself?

Oh, so there are people like that out there. Can you point them out for me in my neighbourhood, please? People (and girls) don't want to hang out with me. They are not allowing me to do that.

No, we think you are lying because of the immensely discriminating behaviour generally displayed by women. It's true that men can display that behaviour as well, but in far, far less capacity. "Hideous" people don't exist. I have sex with skinny A cup women, I have sex with fat D cup women, white, black... I don't really care.

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I don't think there are people attracted to personality over appearance. I have never met them. From my experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible to draw people in with a good personality. I am not allowed to hang out with people. No one wants to do that with me, regardless of how my personality is. I am not a shitty person. I am surrounded by shitty people and the psychologists of the social skills training confirmed that.

There ARE, but it's much more uncommon. I can tell you from my experience that it is not impossible to draw people in with a good personality.

I don't know what you mean by you're not allowed to hang out with people though.

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Without sugar coating anything, it's true that the majority of people care about looks. With such a sexually charged society it's no wonder the first thing people look for in a partner is attractiveness or sexual appeal. However that doesn't make it right to lump everyone together, especially by something like gender (I'm looking at you, AlexanderJ86). There ARE woman and men out there who don't care much about appearance, just as there are woman and men who are obsessed with it. It will be harder to find a partner if you have acne or acne scars, but it's not impossible. Good luck out there.

From experience I can tell you that it is seemingly impossible. That is the reason I wrote the post the way I did. Also, I did talk about exceptions in that post.

Well there is always exceptions to things, so it's not saying much. You seem to be categorizing everyone as the way you see them, while the truth is people aren't *this way* or *that way* just because you've seen some who are. People have complex opinions, and thoughts on things that falls into a spectrum. You're argument of "never worked for me" doesn't hold much vindication seeming as you're pretty bitter, and there are even less people in the world who would be interested in someone who is not conventionally attractive, nor has a positive personality. So yes, you're chances are very low. There are always ways to increase them though.

In general women are more pickier than men. It's been proven with studies with online dating that show that women only gravitate towards the 10-20% of men that are best looking and avoid the other 80% entirely.

I would never listen to women regarding dating advice because what they say is never reality. They just want to look good by saying what is socially acceptable.

"As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh."

- Okcupid study

...So you think I'm lying just because I have a uterus? If I wanted to look good by saying what is socially acceptable I would say I think everyone is beautiful/handsome and that I was one of those people who don't care at all about appearances at all. Well, I'm not.

Can you guys stop acting like men are the victim to the horrible, vain women? Guess what, a lot of guys judge women on how they look too. Its society, not gender. Could you tell me without bullshiting that you'd be interested in a "hideous" woman if you were attractive looking yourself?

Oh, so there are people like that out there. Can you point them out for me in my neighbourhood, please? People (and girls) don't want to hang out with me. They are not allowing me to do that.

No, we think you are lying because of the immensely discriminating behaviour generally displayed by women. It's true that men can display that behaviour as well, but in far, far less capacity. "Hideous" people don't exist. I have sex with skinny A cup women, I have sex with fat D cup women, white, black... I don't really care.

Obviously, I don't know you neighborhood so it may very well be completely full of vain women. You have the internet though, and can meet potential partners through it. If people don't want to hang out with you, the most likely reason is because of your personality. Most people don't care how attractive a friend looks at all.

What do you mean "hideous" doesn't exist? I put it in quotes since beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but a woman totally covered in severe acne is considered "ugly" by the public. You still didn't answer my question. If you were attractive, would you still give your attention to conventionally ugly woman or would you give it to conventionally pretty women?

Link me to some REAL studies if you want to prove that women judge appearance more.

http://meinnaturwissenschaftsblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/sex-differences-in-implications-of.html

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/07/03/kenrick-beauty/

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It's totally gender. I don't use the term "hideous" but what you may consider "hideous" is a fetish for men that doesn't exist for women (which is why some men like BBW and there's even a guy on this board with an acne fetish). You never hear about women wanting obese/overweight men. You already saw the dating study from Okcupid which is a "real" study from a major dating site that shows that women only respond to 10-20% of the top men and the rest on their are screwed. Women get constant attention from Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, etc. that men don't get. This is why women don't understand why men are single. If you have a vagina, regardless of your looks you will get constant attention and hundreds of messages on dating sites. Average to decent looking men and anything below that will be completely ignored and unable to get any dates online so the fact that you say that he should be able to get into a relationship online is a joke.

Women can't see things from another perspective because they're so privileged in the dating world/western society in general that when a man complains about not being able to get a date they say "it must be his personality" when in reality the only reason they get so many messages is not because they have a good personality or even look good but men in society are so desperate and have no standards that they will message ANYTHING with a vagina.

That's totally untrue. I'm sure there are woman who have a fetish for obese men too, just they are less likely to come out about it unlike the men because the men more often feel like they are doing the obese woman a favor by fetishizing their weight. I wouldn't call the dating study from OKcupid a "real" study. There wasn't even any link to it.

Trust me, women do not get attention just for having a vagina. I would know, I have one, but I've never had any man take interest in me. You don't see me crying "boohoo" and calling all men pigs, do you? If you're an ugly women, you don't get men drooling over you. Sure there are some men are so horny that they'd have sex with anything that moves, I don't know, but for the most part men want an attractive woman for a partner.

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It's totally gender. I don't use the term "hideous" but what you may consider "hideous" is a fetish for men that doesn't exist for women (which is why some men like BBW and there's even a guy on this board with an acne fetish). You never hear about women wanting obese/overweight men. You already saw the dating study from Okcupid which is a "real" study from a major dating site that shows that women only respond to 10-20% of the top men and the rest on their are screwed. Women get constant attention from Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, etc. that men don't get. This is why women don't understand why men are single. If you have a vagina, regardless of your looks you will get constant attention and hundreds of messages on dating sites. Average to decent looking men and anything below that will be completely ignored and unable to get any dates online so the fact that you say that he should be able to get into a relationship online is a joke.

Women can't see things from another perspective because they're so privileged in the dating world/western society in general that when a man complains about not being able to get a date they say "it must be his personality" when in reality the only reason they get so many messages is not because they have a good personality or even look good but men in society are so desperate and have no standards that they will message ANYTHING with a vagina.

That's totally untrue. I'm sure there are woman who have a fetish for obese men too, just they are less likely to come out about it unlike the men because the men more often feel like they are doing the obese woman a favor by fetishizing their weight. I wouldn't call the dating study from OKcupid a "real" study. There wasn't even any link to it.

Trust me, women do not get attention just for having a vagina. I would know, I have one, but I've never had any man take interest in me. You don't see me crying "boohoo" and calling all men pigs, do you? If you're an ugly women, you don't get men drooling over you. Sure there are some men are so horny that they'd have sex with anything that moves, I don't know, but for the most part men want an attractive woman for a partner.

"BBW" things for men is mainstream and well documented. I do not see the women's groups for BBM. That is not even a term! Look up the study. If real data from a major dating site is only not a real study to you because it doesn't have the results you want.

If you went on a dating site you would get messages regardless if you think you're "ugly" or not. Women can get a date or have a sexual partner anytime they want because there will always be men waiting for them. 80-90% of men don't have this luxury.

"In the age of promiscuity, women have more sexual partners than men"

"Young women are becoming more promiscuous, with more sexual partners than men, researchers have found."

"And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men."

"Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.

Yet if their man was caught being unfaithful, 99 per cent of the 2,000 women surveyed said they would show him the door."

- Dailymail

Women control sex and relationships, which is why they hate prostitution. They would lose their power over men if it was legal everywhere.

I'm saying it's not "real" because I have not seen the study, or who has conducted the study. You cant trust a study just because they used OKcupid.

"Big Beautiful Woman" is a thing because women have been campaigning for ladies of bigger size to be more accepted in society. And yes, theres' porn sites of "BBW" and not "BBM" because the porn industry is aimed at men, and not women.

Being promiscuous has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You do realize that all those women who are having sex are probably *gasp* having sex with older men? That study was not taking looking unattractive into account at all.

Can you, as a MAN, stop telling me how woman think? I am a woman, and I have women as friends. And you are just assuming I'd get a lot of replies on a dating website, with no proof. Did you even read my links??

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It's totally gender. I don't use the term "hideous" but what you may consider "hideous" is a fetish for men that doesn't exist for women (which is why some men like BBW and there's even a guy on this board with an acne fetish). You never hear about women wanting obese/overweight men. You already saw the dating study from Okcupid which is a "real" study from a major dating site that shows that women only respond to 10-20% of the top men and the rest on their are screwed. Women get constant attention from Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, etc. that men don't get. This is why women don't understand why men are single. If you have a vagina, regardless of your looks you will get constant attention and hundreds of messages on dating sites. Average to decent looking men and anything below that will be completely ignored and unable to get any dates online so the fact that you say that he should be able to get into a relationship online is a joke.

Women can't see things from another perspective because they're so privileged in the dating world/western society in general that when a man complains about not being able to get a date they say "it must be his personality" when in reality the only reason they get so many messages is not because they have a good personality or even look good but men in society are so desperate and have no standards that they will message ANYTHING with a vagina.

That's totally untrue. I'm sure there are woman who have a fetish for obese men too, just they are less likely to come out about it unlike the men because the men more often feel like they are doing the obese woman a favor by fetishizing their weight. I wouldn't call the dating study from OKcupid a "real" study. There wasn't even any link to it.

Trust me, women do not get attention just for having a vagina. I would know, I have one, but I've never had any man take interest in me. You don't see me crying "boohoo" and calling all men pigs, do you? If you're an ugly women, you don't get men drooling over you. Sure there are some men are so horny that they'd have sex with anything that moves, I don't know, but for the most part men want an attractive woman for a partner.

"BBW" things for men is mainstream and well documented. I do not see the women's groups for BBM. That is not even a term! Look up the study. If real data from a major dating site is only not a real study to you because it doesn't have the results you want.

If you went on a dating site you would get messages regardless if you think you're "ugly" or not. Women can get a date or have a sexual partner anytime they want because there will always be men waiting for them. 80-90% of men don't have this luxury.

"In the age of promiscuity, women have more sexual partners than men"

"Young women are becoming more promiscuous, with more sexual partners than men, researchers have found."

"And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men."

"Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.

Yet if their man was caught being unfaithful, 99 per cent of the 2,000 women surveyed said they would show him the door."

- Dailymail

Women control sex and relationships, which is why they hate prostitution. They would lose their power over men if it was legal everywhere.

"Big Beautiful Woman" is a thing because women have been campaigning for ladies of bigger size to be more accepted in society. And yes, theres' porn sites of "BBW" and not "BBM" because the porn industry is aimed at men, and not women.

"BBW" is not just porn. Maybe that's what you look up but there are sites dedicated to appreciating BBW. And Hollywood promotes porn for women... 50 Shades of Grey, Magic Mike, etc. Fat acceptance is not a positive thing considering how fat the world is getting and the health problems caused by obesity. And I read your links and porn is unhealthy for men. It doesn't change the fact that women have all of the advantages in dating. And if you don't want me speaking for women don't speak for him when you say that the reason he doesn't have a partner is because of his personality. Men and women are NOT the same and don't experience everything the same.

50 Shades of grey and Magic Mike are both new and small compared to the number of sexually explicit things aimed at men. All I looked up was BBW because I didn't know what it was, and all of it except Urban Dictionary was porn.

I never said the reason why he couldn't have a partner is because of his personality. I said its most likely 1) appearance and 2)personality. If you are "appealing" in neither of those aspects, of course the number of people who'd want to date you are extremely low.

EVERYONE is not the same and don't experience everything the same. There are HUGE variations between women. There are HUGE variations between men. There are variations between transsexuals too. There are variations between people of the same ethnicity. There are variations between the residents of the same street. You can think otherwise, but you'd be wrong.

Look, if you keep being stubborn and arguing logic I'm not even going to bother keeping up this conversation anymore. Waste of energy.

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