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White Pus Zits Around Mouth And Chin! - Help! Help!

I conducted an experiment.

One one side I used tea tree oil, manuka oil and neem oil.  This is via a cream Amberley Aromatics.  I selected this as it was closest to what I managed the condition successfully with years ago before a manufacturer withdrawn their product.

On the other, gladskin (gel).  This was very dry, so I also bought the cream.  The cream contains paraffin and vaseline so doesn't have the dryness problem, but I had more pustules.  So I used the gel instead and combined it with shea butter, then more recently the past few days calendula as before.

So I have 2 different treatments on different sides of the face and you would expect to see a difference, right?  Well no!  The results on both sides of the face have been very similar... with flare ups and clear days being very closely matched!  This suggests to me that topical treatments only play a minor part.

I have been taking a lot of fish oil recently with Omega 3s and this seems to calm things a lot, and doubled down on ommitting processed food.  I'm taking 6 a day at the moment, which is a lot.  As ever, no dairy, sugar, wheat, gluten.

Keep a spreadsheet and experiment with dual treatments on either side of the face, I feel this is a far more enlightening approach to finding out what works for you, but also gives me more feedback on what I'm eating too.

Again, once you start thinking of this as perioral dermatitis and/or rosacea, rather than acne - the sooner you will come to realise there is no specific cure for an individual and trial/error is your pathway to a resolution.

BTW, from what I've been told  - PD is aggravated by occulusive topical treatments.  So this means vaseline or mineral oils (paraffin based).  This is perhaps why Gladskin cream performed more poorly compared to Gladskin gel.  Again, this is just me and your experience may differ.  But after a few days of Gladskin gel, my skin was becoming so dry it started to crack and peel - a big problem which brought with it the return of pustules.

Now things have stabilised I would say Gladskin gel + a moisturiser is marginally more effective than the tea tree / manuka / neem.  But finding a moisturiser that doesn't undo the work of the gel is also a minefield too.  Again, this is why you must log and experiment, giving time for each combination to run it's course.

Going forward I'm not sure I will buy Gladskin again as it's not exactly a "cure", but I will try without the gel and just the moisturiser within the next month, at present I feel I will go back to calendula.  Gladskin is both expensive and the need to put it in the fridge is a pain.  But also because I feel the problem is internal, not on the skin surface... which brings us back to a strict diet.

Regarding fungal infections, bear in mind that there are different strains which effect different parts of the body.

So... an infection on the scalp doesn't mean it will spread to the torso, and vice versa.

I'm quite prone to fungal infections but have never had atheletes foot, only infection on the torso (chest).

Fungal infections on the scalp tend to result in hair loss so are quite clear.

I have tried nizoral (ketoconzaole) shampoo because it helps with psoriasis, which I have.  But it contains sodium lauryl sulfate which is a big no-no for perioral dermatitis, though I didn't find it made it worse, but it was very drying which was a problem.  It certainly didn't help either.  I believe several people have tried it without success, but great news if it works for you!

You should look into psoriasis as this is often an itchy condition (back, neck, face, etc.) caused by overgrowth and excess skin cells.  There is a wondeful book on amazon that you can get called "healing psoriasis", I largely cured mine simply by avoiding certains foods.

However, I consider is a separate condition to the white pustules.  Since PD is an unusual autoimmune / inflammation condition which nobody truly understands, there is often crossover with other conditions.  I've seen a PD + psoriasis case in the past week, with psoriasis on the forehead.

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I received this info from Gladskin when I made an enquiry, about if it is suitable for folliculitis or PD, and which product might be suitable.  The eczema version is the most suitable, as it is the strongest....

Good afternoon, We have not yet developed specific products for treating folliculitis and perioral dermatitis respectively. However, since the Staphylococcus aureus bacteria (including MSRA) are frequently found in folliculitis, Staphefekt™ can help reduce folliculitis symptoms. For treating folliculitis, we advise you to try Gladskin Eczema Gel or Cream, since this product line contains the highest concentration of Staphefekt™ (C2.5). Although the cause of perioral dermatitis is not yet entirely clear, it is possible that the Staphylococcus aureus bacterium can cause (secondary) inflammation and aggravate symptoms. In that case Gladskin could help prevent the inflammation. Since perioral dermatitis has characteristics of both acne and rosacea, we would recommend Gladskin Rosacea Gel or Cream. If you suffer from both folliculitis and perioral dermatitis, we suggest to choose Gladskin Eczema Gel or Cream since Eczema products contain a higher concentration of Staphefekt™ (C2.5) than the Rosacea products (C2.4). The Cream is developed for dry skin, whilst the Gel is designed for more oily skin or skin that is intolerant to any of the ingredients in our creams. If you have dry skin, we usually recommend the Cream, as the Gel can feel a bit unpleasant. In case you decide to use the Gel, we advise you to keep using your own usual moisturiser in addition. However, it is important that you allow Gladskin to act on the skin for at least 10 minutes before applying any other products, since the certain ingredients (e.g. acids and alcohol) of other skin care products can adversely affect the efficacy of Gladskin. Kind regards, Elvira | Gladskin

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Gladskin will be effective if you have a staph infection. If it’s not been immediately effective for you then that suggests it’s not a staph related issue which allows you to rule out that bacteria at least. 
 

Have you looked into FMT as I totally agree these conditions stem from the internal and that topical solutions seem to be temporary for everyone in this thread. 

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23 hours ago, acnocalypse said:

Fungal infections on the scalp tend to result in hair loss so are quite clear.

Well, actually, I am experiencing hair loss for years, but not in a way that I'm going bald, hair grows again, it's just that if falls off easily.  Same thing with the eyebrows, they fall of very easily. I've been told by the doctor that's a symptom of Hashimoto's(thyroid), but nobody ever mentioned fungal infection. I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

I'd expect fungal infection to bring some kind of rashes on other parts of the body. I do get itchy frequently, but there are no signs of any redness, my skin is pretty much clear in the itchy areas(expect for the face).

Anyway, I don't really know if ketoconzaole helped me at all regarding white pustules, because as I wrote before,  I've also been taking new probiotic at the same time, it could be that. I am aware that any topical solution would be just temporary, if they help at all,  and we must cure this internally.  

The reality is, since I washed my face with ketoconzaole, I only had one pustule, and that's inside the nostril.  Also, keep in mind that Nizoral is %1 ketoconzaole, and I was taking a product with 2%, if that makes any difference.

 

 

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FrancisG - Gladskin tell me it may take a while to work, though my condition has generally improved as it did before - but I have a very strict diet now.

Unkemptground - fungal infections tend to be more light brown patches radiating out with a light coloured centre, though this may be difficult to see if hair is there.  They will be red of course if you have been scratching, either deliberately or without realising it.

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Fecal transplant is interesting.  I've seen lots of people on here mention it and are optimistic about it's potential results, but none have actually gone through with it yet?   Certainly other health problems could all point back to the gut, beyond just this skin condition as several us appear to have other problems too.  However for me personally I don't believe it's available on our health service so am unlikely to be the guinea pig just yet...

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I see you guys mentioning Fecal transplants as a possible cure, but isn't that possible to be a candidate for only if you have some kind of known bacteria infection ? We don't even know what we are suffering from(most of us). Not to mention the report of a person dying from this procedure.

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On 11/30/2019 at 7:38 PM, UnkemptGround said:

I see you guys mentioning Fecal transplants as a possible cure, but isn't that possible to be a candidate for only if you have some kind of known bacteria infection ? We don't even know what we are suffering from(most of us). Not to mention the report of a person dying from this procedure.

FMT seems to be the only hope as of now. Most of the people here have reported how their gut affects this condition. Eating a certain diet keeps it under control while getting a bit off the track makes this condition go haywire. And I also read about the case in which the patient died after FMT but in his case the donor wasn't screened properly and was suffering from an infection himself. I would have for this treatment today only as it can be a life saver but hospitals here in India haven't really started utilising this technique. Also finding a right donor is a tedious and embarrasing task. Still I'm in hunt for a clinic in India or abroad which has a good deal of experience in utilising this technique.

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1 hour ago, rebelheart said:

FMT seems to be the only hope as of now. Most of the people here have reported how their gut affects this condition. Eating a certain diet keeps it under control while getting a bit off the track makes this condition go haywire. And I also read about the case in which the patient died after FMT but in his case the donor wasn't screened properly and was suffering from an infection himself. I would have for this treatment today only as it can be a life saver but hospitals here in India haven't really started utilising this technique. Also finding a right donor is a tedious and embarrasing task. Still I'm in hunt for a clinic in India or abroad which has a good deal of experience in utilising this technique.

Well I'm right with you - this is a gut issue without a question. It's just that I don't see how can you qualify for a such procedure just by having acne, you must be diagnosed with something first, no ? 

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Since the discussion of fungals come up often, you may wish to try these:

Lotrimin Ultra

or

Lotrimin AF

These are the top two that work in the PD group.  As ever, this only works for a portion of people, much like the things that work for only a portion of individuals on here.  Lotrimin Ultra  is Butenafine Hydrochloride which I've never tried.  Lotrimin AF appears to be similar to canesten cream (didn't work for me).   However, the other ingredients may be a factor, as we know that certain topical ingredients will make it worse, even if there is a positive base ingredient present.

As before, this does not mean you have a fungal problem, in the same way antibiotics success does not mean it's a bacterial problem either.

Apparently antibiotics are effective in treating PD not necessarily because they are treating bacteria, but because of an antiinflammtory effect.  Anti-inflammatory steroid cream is very effective - sadly it's about the worse thing you  can use as when treatment is stop it comes back with a vengeance.  If it wasn't for that, it would be a welcome diagnostic tool to confirm PD (I think it is also effective with Rosacea) - but it's certainly not an experiment I recommend.

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Thanks, but I've decided to stop using anti-fungal medicine, used the shampoo only two times because it really started to flake the skin, it wasn't anything major and my skin went back to normal 3-4 days after, but I want to see what's going to happen next. I really do have great success, and I'm starting to think that it might have something to do with the probiotic after all. My digestion issues are significantly smaller. I eat every day junk food and don't have any breakouts which is really a miracle. My forehead is still however very oily, this didn't change a bit, but no really white zits in sight.

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On 12/1/2019 at 8:27 PM, UnkemptGround said:

Thanks, but I've decided to stop using anti-fungal medicine, used the shampoo only two times because it really started to flake the skin, it wasn't anything major and my skin went back to normal 3-4 days after, but I want to see what's going to happen next. I really do have great success, and I'm starting to think that it might have something to do with the probiotic after all. My digestion issues are significantly smaller. I eat every day junk food and don't have any breakouts which is really a miracle. My forehead is still however very oily, this didn't change a bit, but no really white zits in sight.

Which probiotics were you using?

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3 hours ago, FrancisG said:

Which probiotics were you using?

This one. I came across that one while I was looking for reviews of people that had their hashimoto's symptoms improved. It's only been 3 weeks, so it's really too soon to tell.

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There are I fact reports on here of people using FMT successfully. Search FMT. 
 

If you are UK based you can get it done at the Taymount clinic. 

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On 12/3/2019 at 6:27 PM, UnkemptGround said:

This one. I came across that one while I was looking for reviews of people that had their hashimoto's symptoms improved. It's only been 3 weeks, so it's really too soon to tell.

Are you completely clear after starting consumption if this probiotic?

On 12/2/2019 at 12:24 AM, UnkemptGround said:

Well I'm right with you - this is a gut issue without a question. It's just that I don't see how can you qualify for a such procedure just by having acne, you must be diagnosed with something first, no ? 

Yes, that's true but I am sure once we get our whole digestive system diagnosed, something will come up which will justify this treatment.

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1 hour ago, rebelheart said:

Are you completely clear after starting consumption if this probiotic?

After I think around 12-14 days, there hasn't been a single new white zit. I rarely had any other acne types, so can't speak for that.  

 

1 hour ago, rebelheart said:

Yes, that's true but I am sure once we get our whole digestive system diagnosed, something will come up which will justify this treatment.

Yeah, that's the right approach, wish you luck.

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