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Dim Or Saw Palmetto

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is there a limit of how long you should be taking this ? because if there is a imbalance , acne will come right ?

so are you suppose to take dim for like 3 months or saw palmetto ?

all this is so confusing .......

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It depends on what you want to do.

If you want to increase testosterone power and decrease estrogenic power, take DIM. DIM does give you more "good" estrogen metabolites and less "bad" ones, but the simple fact is that while doing this it also increases testosterone action in the body. You have to accept both outcomes if you want to take DIM. Increasing good estrogen metabolites has more to do with things like breast and uterine cancer...there is no proven link between good/bad estrogen ratio and acne.

If you want to decrease testosterone power, take saw palmetto.

I don't personally recommend DIM in most cases. Some people have had success with it. But I have yet to hear a convincing argument to how the DIM actually mechanically helps acne. As I said, it increases testosterone power which has a proven link to worse acne, and it does give you a better estrogen ratio but there's no proven link to this improving acne. So I find the "reasons" for DIM helping acne anecdotal at best.

See this excerpt on DIM:

These are excerpts from All About DIM -- written by Michael A. Zeligs, MD, and A. Scott Connelly, MD and published by Avery, a member of Penguin Putnam Inc. The book can be ordered if you'd like even more information on the benefits of DIM.
1. An Overview of DIM
The healthy effects of eating vegetables have been known for many years. It is only recently, however, that scientists have started to figure out exactly which substances in these foods provide the benefits. DIM is one of these substances.
Q. What exactly is DIM?
A. Diindolylmethane, or DIM for short, is a plant indole -- a plant compound with health-promoting properties. DIM and other plant indoles are found in all cruciferous vegetables. Cruciferous vegetables include cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, and cauliflower. These plants have cultivated for centuries and were initially used for medicines.
About twenty years ago, scientists discovered that when broccoli was added to the diets of study animals, it could prevent certain forms of cancer. In more recent scientific studies, this same cancer protection was shown to result from simply adding supplemental DIM or related plant indoles to the animals' diets in place of the broccoli. Recently, regular use of supplementary DIM and its indole relatives has shown that many of these health-promoting effects arise from a beneficial shift in the balance of the sex hormones, estrogen and testosterone.
When you chew raw or lightly cooked cruciferous vegetables, plant enzymes -- substances that start a reaction -- are activated, which allows DIM to enter your body. But to get the most benefit from this indole, you would need to consume very large quantities of raw vegetables each day. To overcome this problem, absorbable forms of pure DIM have been developed as dietary supplements that use special absorption-enhancing formulas. (See Chapter 6 for specific information about supplementing with DIM.)
Q. How Does DIM Work?
A. DIM stimulates more efficient estrogen metabolism. Supplementing the diet with DIM and eating cruciferous vegetables increases the specific aerobic metabolism for estrogen, multiplying the chance for estrogen to be broken down into its beneficial, or "good" estrogen metabolites. These "good"estrogen metabolites are known as the 2-hydroxy estrogens. Many of the benefits that are attributed to estrogen, which include its ability to protect the heart and brain with its antioxidant activity, are now known to come from these "good" metabolites.
When DIM increases the "good" estrogen metabolites, there is a simultaneous reduction in the levels of undesirable or "bad" estrogen metabolites. These include the 16-hydroxy estrogens, which are not antioxidants and can actually cause cancer. Greater production of these "bad" estrogen metabolites is promoted by obesity and exposure to a number of manmade environmental chemicals. These "bad" estrogen metabolites are responsible for many of estrogen's undesirable actions in women and men, including further unwanted weight gain, breast cancer, and uterine cancer.
In addition, a slow metabolism of estrogen, which leaves too much unmetabolized active estrogen known as estradiol in the body, can be a problem for both women and men. Elevated estradiol causes moodiness and breast pain in women and loss of sex drive in men. By promoting a healthy estrogen metabolism, DIM adjusts the balance of estradiol to its "good" metabolites. This also can result in a more desirable action fro testosterone. Testosterone supports energy and mood and helps sustain interest in sex in both men and women. When supplemental DIM is taken along with a program of regular exercise, it can help estrogen and testosterone contribute to good physical conditioning.
2. Hormonal Balance for a Healthier Body
Hormonal balance refers to the healthiest, most beneficial mix of all your hormonal messages. It is the key to achieving your peak physical conditioning and making your exercise count for a better body. The best hormonal balance can help you stay healthy, resist aging, and get top results from bodybuilding. Hormonal imbalance can result in inefficient metabolism, inappropriate cell growth, and the survival of abnormal cells that can lead to cancer. DIM contributes to a better metabolism in the most natural way possible by working with your own hormones and adjusting their action to avoid hormonal imbalance. This chapter discusses how hormonal balance and DIM can help you develop a stronger, leaner, and healthier body.
3. Achieving Optimal Estrogen Metabolism
Maintaining hormonal balance is now recognized as an important goal in women's health. Using the diet to beneficially influence estrogen metabolism is a safe approach to resisting age-related hormonal changes. DIM supplements actively to promote a desirable estrogen metabolism that produces more of the "good" estrogen metabolites, known as 2-hydroxy estrogens. Hormonal balance also involves benefits from the small amount of testosterone present in women. DIM's specific benefits for women are covered in this chapter.
4. Activating Testosterone
DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen [this depends on your definition of healthy...it's only more healthy if you are low in testosterone] and more free testosterone circulating in the body. In scientific studies, high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from testosterone are improved mood, more interest in sex, and better physical conditioning. In this chapter, we'll explore these issues in more detail.
Edited by Green Gables

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so i always been doing my same daily routine taking dim then when i started taking saw palmetto i broke out like crazy now that i stopped that and just take dim my chin has been breaking out still ??!?!?!?

this is my worst breakout ever so depresssssss and i have no idea what to do now

so dim increases testosterone and decrease estrogen

and saw palmetto decreases testosterone and increase estrogen ?

either way long term of both causes hormonal acne cause imbalance right ?

Edited by LeadingForce

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Saw palmetto doesn't directly increase estrogen. It does decrease testosterone.



I've already told you what I think you should do in one of your other posts. I think you should only take saw palmetto and keep at it for at least 2 months. After 2 months you can actually make an informed decision if it's helping at all or not.

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Saw palmetto doesn't directly increase estrogen. It does decrease testosterone.

I've already told you what I think you should do in one of your other posts. I think you should only take saw palmetto and keep at it for at least 2 months. After 2 months you can actually make an informed decision if it's helping at all or not.

does it really take 2 months to see results ?

if i get a breakout wouldnt that indicate its not working ?

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ok i dont think its helping at all because my chin is still breaking out

i went from 0 to 100 after taking saw palmetto

worst thing i ever tried and now i have scars because of it

never mess with hormone supplement ....

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