2 posts. No one smart ever said diet caused acne. Acne is caused by unblanced hormones food can infact agravate inflamation=/=acne and make it worse. Milk, cheese and meats high in fat wont hel. All filled with cheap hormones
Funny, my derm tested my hormones and they were all within normal limits. Which apparently is not unusual.
I don't know why I'm answering another one of these stupid posts that are made about five times a year but, here I go.
It doesn't cause acne, it affects neatly all of the factors that lead to acne. You'll find plenty of details on that if you were here to read, learn and discuss, rather than to troll.
It also affects your puberty. How traumatic/dramatic the changes are, how early it happens, etc.
I don't know why I'm answering another one of these stupid posts that are made about five times a year but, here I go.
It doesn't cause acne, it affects neatly all of the factors that lead to acne. You'll find plenty of details on that if you were here to read, learn and discuss, rather than to troll.
It also affects your puberty. How traumatic/dramatic the changes are, how early it happens, etc.
Wow I asked a simple question and you're giving me an overly hostile response which is honestly unneeded. You don't know what trolling is, if you want trolling head over to a gaming forum. Debating the accusation that acne is induced (in a certain degree) is not trolling.
I have eaten a healthy diet literally my entire life and have not had any improvement in regards to my skin. The only thing that worked for me for a while was Accutane and then I experienced a relapse. It's not like I'm having my face stuffed with junk food- believe me I have tried to control my acne with diet and it never proved successful.
food can mess with your hormones which can cause acne = milk , meat
otherwise why would millions on people who cured there acne write and make a video about it ? screw the derm , the derm doesnt know anything besides tell you basic things and making you waste money
No one has ever "cured" their acne (acne doesn't have a cure, not even Accutane) and if they have found a way to *manage it * through lifestyle it's certainly not in the millions. I don't pay any money to see a derm, it's free. What are you talking about?
You did not simply ask a question. If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.
If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.
I said it was both hormonal and genetic.
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.
If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.
I said it was both hormonal and genetic.
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.
Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.
Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.
If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.
I said it was both hormonal and genetic.
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.
Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.
Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.
I am am educated about nutrition and have a great team of specialists managing my care and nutrition not some two-bit side of the road nutritionist.
You seem awfully negative towards medical professionals. What's your deal? What makes you think you know everything about nutrition?
Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families).
Stop with the conspiracies.
Necessary vs. sufficient conditions. Puberty is (usually) a necessary condition for acne formation - but is not sufficient to cause acne on its own. Puberty brings many changes, and it's easy to imagine that one of them (hormones, skin structure, etc) might be the puzzle piece that allows the acne cycle to move forward.
Food antigens can be conditionally sufficient to cause acne - that is, if necessary conditions such as puberty are fulfilled, food antigens are sometimes sufficient to cause acne. Before puberty, it's simple to imagine a scenario whereby food antigens are causing an immune response, but because of the lack of X (X being a hormone or skin structure), no comedones form.
If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.
I said it was both hormonal and genetic.
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.
Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.
Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.
I am am educated about nutrition and have a great team of specialists managing my care and nutrition not some two-bit side of the road nutritionist.
You seem awfully negative towards medical professionals. What's your deal? What makes you think you know everything about nutrition?
Medical specialists certainly know more than your average joe. It is however very easy to disagree with some professionals on the basis of logic; they are taught to know what has been studied, and ignore what has not.
Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families).
Stop with the conspiracies.
Necessary vs. sufficient conditions. Puberty is (usually) a necessary condition for acne formation - but is not sufficient to cause acne on its own. Puberty brings many changes, and it's easy to imagine that one of them (hormones, skin structure, etc) might be the puzzle piece that allows the acne cycle to move forward.
Food antigens can be conditionally sufficient to cause acne - that is, if necessary conditions such as puberty are fulfilled, food antigens are sometimes sufficient to cause acne. Before puberty, it's simple to imagine a scenario whereby food antigens are causing an immune response, but because of the lack of X (X being a hormone or skin structure), no comedones form.
False
Care to add more? That's not much of an argument.
She thinks that oranges cause acne.
Lol maybe she's the one "trolling".
I'm sure if you eat a terrible crap diet and you're already acne prone it will make it a bit worse (duh) but it's not like that's the cause of acne. My point is acne isn't a persons fault or because they don't know how to take care of their bodies.
wow i actually wanted to ask the same exact question like a day ago! :0what is in our bodies before puberty that allows it wont be inflammed then?why do other ppl dont even get no acne during puberty?the same goes with allergies and intolerances that are popular here, dont u have those from when ur born not appearing some random time at ur life?when i was small could eat dairy, grains etc just fine somehow..only had somekinda alergy from oringes (but not allways either?), would break out everywhere, but those were not acne nd it wasnt just on face (like usually it is first and only place where acne starts)now ill do diff crazy health cleanses and do clean diets, supplemetns etc etc and still break out like its nothing. max few days without new breakouts. but then again i was on bad diet and also will get good skin days. diet improves skin quality a bit i think but it seems so freaking useless for acne..
Exactly. People for the most part when they're allergic to something have the allergy rear during childhood - not adolescence. I think it's pretty clear for those of us with food common sense that acne isn't a food allergy.
I could be be wrong but I think a lot if the theories coming from this section of the forums are propelled by pseudo science.
wow i actually wanted to ask the same exact question like a day ago! :0what is in our bodies before puberty that allows it wont be inflammed then?why do other ppl dont even get no acne during puberty?the same goes with allergies and intolerances that are popular here, dont u have those from when ur born not appearing some random time at ur life?when i was small could eat dairy, grains etc just fine somehow..only had somekinda alergy from oringes (but not allways either?), would break out everywhere, but those were not acne nd it wasnt just on face (like usually it is first and only place where acne starts)now ill do diff crazy health cleanses and do clean diets, supplemetns etc etc and still break out like its nothing. max few days without new breakouts. but then again i was on bad diet and also will get good skin days. diet improves skin quality a bit i think but it seems so freaking useless for acne..
It's the immune system. At some point, the immune systems of most people who have acne gets messed up. There are lots of ways to accomplish this. And the immune system is so modular that it is conceivable that these problems can just pop up out of seemingly nowhere (though I doubt this is the case with acne).
I think it's useful to catch a glimpse of the broader picture here. Acne starts at puberty for many people - but not for all people. Let us assume that there is something about puberty that allows for acne to form, given the right conditions (a fair assumption I think). For those people who begin to get acne right as they hit puberty, it follows from the model I describe that these people were suffering from pre-existing immunological conditions - an immune response that was always there, but could not manifest itself until the crucial puberty factor came into play.
Now the other people - those who get acne at some later age, be it 14, 15,18, or 25. These people already have the puberty factor. So when these people get acne, the model would predict that the cause is a 'random incidence', by which I mean an immunological change that occurs, as you describe, seemingly randomly. If we consider for a moment that these 'random incidents' are actually randomly happening, the model would predict that most acne sufferers begin to get it around puberty, because puberty would essentially be revealing 12 years of random immunological incident. So you see, it does make sense.
Exactly. People for the most part when they're allergic to something have the allergy rear during childhood - not adolescence. I think it's pretty clear for those of us with good common sense that acne isn't a good allergy.
I could be be wrong but I think a lot if the theories coming from this section of the forums are propelled by pseudo science.
Acne is certainly not an IgE-driven allergy such as a peanut or egg allergy seen in childhood. But there are many other antibodies involved in immunity, and whole sections of the immune system that don't bother to use antibodies. There are even other types of hypersensitivity - types 1 through 4. It is conceivable that acne, which is without question a physical manifestation of an immune response, could in some cases be propagated by food antigens, even using one of our existing definitions of hypersensitivity.
I was not talking about "two-bit side of the road nutritionists" whatever that is. I was talking about the typical conventional nutritionist trained in our Universities and part of our conventional medical establishment that has given bad advice for decades and led us to become such a sickly culture that children get not only diseases that should only occur in the elderly (and really shouldn't occur then either) like type II diabetes, but diseases that didn't even used to exist like non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
The ones filling our hospitals and other healthcare facilities, schools, and government agencies, the medical & nutrition experts employed by the news media.
They seem determined to focus on the wrong problems and the wrong solutions. You might think it was a conspiracy to sell more drugs. Because they certainly are succeeding at that. The amount of drugs taken by the average person these days is incredible.
Acne is certainly not an IgE-driven allergy such as a peanut or egg allergy seen in childhood. But there are many other antibodies involved in immunity, and whole sections of the immune system that don't bother to use antibodies. There are even other types of hypersensitivity - types 1 through 4. It is conceivable that acne, which is without question a physical manifestation of an immune response, could in some cases be propagated by food antigens, even using one of our existing definitions of hypersensitivity.
why would those immunity incidents result in acne? a weird little growths on ur most important part face? why not just get flu?and why its even breaking out on face at all when body can produce acne on other body parts just as well? but the 1st thing it will screw up will be your precious face for what reason?so why does body has no aesthetical sense or priority sense whatsoever?? ok there are immunity and diff damage repair systems, liver for toxins etc but doesnt this just seems like a major error??and puberty is supposed to end altho idk when?also its superweird, ur trying to grow up, to form, to get better, stronger, to get good looking but instead get fuked up in various ways....nd wrong immune response...dont u just fix it, basically immunity, with just taking vitamins, garlic nd such?
Why do we get spots on our skin when we have chickenpox? It's a similar idea - the spots are a visible measure of health. By warning others you protect them, and by protecting them you protect your genetic relatives and increase your propagative potential.
Your skin is not homogenous, which explains why only some parts get the spots. And there are almost certainly multiple causes of acne, which also explains why different parts get spots. It makes sense that the face is the most common if the spots are doing their job; spots on the face ward people off much better than do spots on the back or arms, as you suggest.
I think it's important to remember that our bodies do not have an imperative to be the best individuals we can be. Our bodies have in fact evolved with an imperative to increase our individual propagation. Sometimes this is accomplished by being sexy. Other times it is accomplished by preventing people from interacting with you while you are unhealthy, and potentially jeopardizing their health, and thus your own propagation.
Finally, the immune system is incredibly complicated. It's not too difficult to mess it up, especially when we're so far removed from natural circumstances. Lack on interaction with environment, poor diet, ultra-cleanliness, and all sorts of chemicals all add to the burden our immune systems have to deal with day in and day out. You can't remove that burden by taking vitamins. Good nutrition will help to make your immune system more efficient; but an efficient and messed up immune system, is still messed up.
why would those immunity incidents result in acne? a weird little growths on ur most important part face? why not just get flu?and why its even breaking out on face at all when body can produce acne on other body parts just as well? but the 1st thing it will screw up will be your precious face for what reason?so why does body has no aesthetical sense or priority sense whatsoever?? ok there are immunity and diff damage repair systems, liver for toxins etc but doesnt this just seems like a major error??
They result in acne because of the increased level of inflammation in the body. Inflammation initiates acne formation.
I was not talking about "two-bit side of the road nutritionists" whatever that is. I was talking about the typical conventional nutritionist trained in our Universities and part of our conventional medical establishment that has given bad advice for decades and led us to become such a sickly culture that children get not only diseases that should only occur in the elderly (and really shouldn't occur then either) like type II diabetes, but diseases that didn't even used to exist like non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
The ones filling our hospitals and other healthcare facilities, schools, and government agencies, the medical & nutrition experts employed by the news media.
They seem determined to focus on the wrong problems and the wrong solutions. You might think it was a conspiracy to sell more drugs. Because they certainly are succeeding at that. The amount of drugs taken by the average person these days is incredible.
Acne is certainly not an IgE-driven allergy such as a peanut or egg allergy seen in childhood. But there are many other antibodies involved in immunity, and whole sections of the immune system that don't bother to use antibodies. There are even other types of hypersensitivity - types 1 through 4. It is conceivable that acne, which is without question a physical manifestation of an immune response, could in some cases be propagated by food antigens, even using one of our existing definitions of hypersensitivity.
Yes. It's not a IgE mediated response. Acne involves delayed type III response involving other antibodies or inflammatory responses. But unfortunately, the average doctor/allergist only cares about the immediate response IgE mediated reactions. As they can kill you.
However, I do not agree that our immune system is screwed up. At least not any more than most people (including clear skinned people who are also suffering from their crappy diets and lifestyles, they just don't get the symptom of acne because of a few genetic tendencies). Some of us might have a 'screwed up immune system', just like some of us might have PCOS, thyroid problems, digestive tract problems, the weak livers so many want to claim we have, etc.
And that would be why simply switching to as close to the diet and lifestyle habits humans should have isn't enough to clear them. They need to do a little more to focus on their particular health issues. Extra nutrients. Even better habits. Temporary healing diets, etc.
>>She thinks that oranges cause acne.
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No. I know that oranges cause me to break out in cysts. And several other people have found the same. Citrus intolerance is quite common. And I have frequently commented that I don't consider it to be true acne.
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Why does your diet make you such an unhappy person?
I'm going to take a shot In the dark and say it's because she may have an eating disorder. The fact that she said "everyone is unhealthy" and that "all nutritionists promote an unhealthy diet" , " everyone is going to get diabetes" demonstrates that healthy eating is an obsession for this woman and that nothing is "healthy enough". Sort of like how an anorexic can never be thin enough, this women can never eat healthy enough and is obsessed with attaining flawless nutrition.
There's a name for this type of eating disorder but I forget what it's called.
.. Also if acne was an immunological condition like some of you are saying why don't they just treat it with steroids? They don't, because it's not.
no derm considers acne an "inflammatory disease" it's considered hormonal and tends to be hereditary.
Meh I tried. Believe whatever you want.
.. Also if acne was an immunological condition like some of you are saying why don't they just treat it with steroids? They don't, because it's not.
no derm considers acne an "inflammatory disease" it's considered hormonal and tends to be hereditary.
Meh I tried. Believe whatever you want.
You could try reading this article, since I know you will not take my word for it: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448506
Dermatologists today were educated with principles decades now outdated. Recent research shows that acne is an outcome of immune dysfunction:
Isotretinoin normalizes TLR2-mediated immune response: http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v132/n9/abs/jid2012111a.html
Correlation between certain immune factors and acne severity: http://eng.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/PaperDetail.aspx?qkid=zhpf&qcode=zhpf201102017
Microcomedogenesis driven by immune factors: http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23986176
The information our medical practitioners have is from time to time outdated.
.. Also if acne was an immunological condition like some of you are saying why don't they just treat it with steroids? They don't, because it's not.
no derm considers acne an "inflammatory disease" it's considered hormonal and tends to be hereditary.
Meh I tried. Believe whatever you want.
You could try reading this article, since I know you will not take my word for it: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448506
Dermatologists today were educated with principles decades now outdated. Recent research shows that acne is an outcome of immune dysfunction:
Isotretinoin normalized TLR2-mediated immune response: http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v132/n9/abs/jid2012111a.html
Correlation between certain immune factors and acne severity: http://eng.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/PaperDetail.aspx?qkid=zhpf&qcode=zhpf201102017
Microcomedogenesis driven by immune factors: http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23986176
The information our medical practitioners have is from time to time outdated.
These are studies not facts. Not every study is right actually many are absurdly flawed (vaccines cause autism ect.).
I think what you're trying to say is that acne is really an immune system issue. If that were the case wouldn't that spread over into other aspects of the immune system? Wouldn't acne patients be sick all the time if they were so immune impaired.
I have had acne since I was 12 which warranted Accutane at 17 and have always had a normal immune system. Even as a now ventilator dependent quadriplegic I rarely ever get sick with UTI's or upper respitory infections. Why is that?
