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"All vaccinations are positively dangerous. Let me qualify. Imagine drinking formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium and 'live' disease, all in one - THESE are the contents of EVERY vaccine. Fortunately our stomach will more than likely vomit it straight back up because it can identify 'filth'. Herein lies a problem with vaccination; the 'filth' cannot get out, because it is introduced by means of a 'deep puncture' wound, after which you become the 'incubator' providing the 'disease causing micro-organisms' with a dark, wet, sugary atmosphere, a perfect condition for disease proliferation.

There is no better way to 'catch the flu' or any other disease. 'Chronic Fatigue' is but one of the many long-term debilitating illnesses which the medical establishment inflict upon you and then fail to provide anything but a symptomatic mistreatment in response."

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Oh how i wish i was never vaccinated.

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I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. And Multiple Chemical Sensitivities. I've been reading a lot about vaccines lately. Where'd you get that quote?

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I responded to you in the other thread and never saw this one. I won't repeat everythign but I will say this. Most of the vaccinations are dead. There is nothign alive in them. If there is it is in an impotent form. I've also only seen one person puke after a vaccination out of thousands.

Smallpox=wiped out

Polio=Soon to be wiped out

Because of immunization. Millions of lives saved each year becuase of it.

Two of the worst killers in the world malaria, tuberculosis, can be eliminated with vaccines. Millions more lives each year could be saved. I suppose that for these people, death is a better option than the chance that they may get some mercury in them.

While you're at it, don't eat most fish(tuna especially), or at the very least get every bit tested because even wild fish have some mrecury. Also don't clean your house with anything other than natural products like lemons or ACV, because everything else has traces of mercury or pesticides. Don't visit places like LA or any large city because the air there is barely breathable. This is getting out of hand.

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I responded to you in the other thread and never saw this one. I won't repeat everythign but I will say this. Most of the vaccinations are dead. There is nothign alive in them. If there is it is in an impotent form. I've also only seen one person puke after a vaccination out of thousands.

Smallpox=wiped out

Polio=Soon to be wiped out

Because of immunization. Millions of lives saved each year becuase of it.

Two of the worst killers in the world malaria, tuberculosis, can be eliminated with vaccines. Millions more lives each year could be saved. I suppose that for these people, death is a better option than the chance that they may get some mercury in them.

While you're at it, don't eat most fish(tuna especially), or at the very least get every bit tested because even wild fish have some mrecury. Also don't clean your house with anything other than natural products like lemons or ACV, because everything else has traces of mercury or pesticides. Don't visit places like LA or any large city because the air there is barely breathable. This is getting out of hand.

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Now lets blame vaccines for health problems. What a smart thing to do!

The claim that vaccines hinder rather than help is rediculous. First of all, a weakened form of bacteria is injected into your body, one that which your body can absolutely fight off. If you are being vaccinated against a virus, they only inject you with the virus's protein coat, not its DNA/RNA (The part that actually does the damage).

Also, many people on this forum seem to think that doctors are qwaks that don't know what they are doing. I'm sorry, but to believe that doctors would put materials into vaccines or other medicines that would make you more ill after taking them than before is ludicrous. Of course there are going to be exceptions, but for hte most part these claims are unfounded and just serve to panic people in situations where there is no reason to be panicked.

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I hate to sound like a jerk, but the post that started this thread seems like another great example of one of the biggest problems with these message boards--anyone can say anything without knowing anything!

Now, I agree that there might be some problems with vaccinations (usually on the order of 1 in 100,000 doses), and I am also aware that this is somewhat hypocritical of me, since I recently made quite a stir by making the claim that eliminating chemicals from your food and healthcare products can rid you of acne (see, '"it's the chemicals, stupid!" in the diet section...) The difference is that my unfounded claim is harmless, and yours is dangerous.

As much as I dislike the idea, vaccines provide us with our only proven protection against many very, VERY bad diseases. The problem with your thinking is that vaccines rely on something called 'herd immunity'--which basically means that we can only stop these diseases if a high enough percentage of the general population is given immunity.

If we don't compel (force) people to get vaccinated by some means, we get something called the 'free rider' effect--whereby people start opting out of the program because they think that if everyone else stays in, they will still be protected because no one can give them the disease. When a bunch of people start to think like this, the whole system breaks down.

There are a lot of people out there on the Web making claims about all sorts of things. My advice is to head to a university's health science library and look up some of the information directly from reputable, peer-reviewed studies.

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I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. And Multiple Chemical Sensitivities. I've been reading a lot about vaccines lately. Where'd you get that quote?

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I hate to sound like a jerk, but the post that started this thread seems like another great example of one of the biggest problems with these message boards--anyone can say anything without knowing anything!

Now, I agree that there might be some problems with vaccinations (usually on the order of 1 in 100,000 doses), and I am also aware that this is somewhat hypocritical of me, since I recently made quite a stir by making the claim that eliminating chemicals from your food and healthcare products can rid you of acne (see, '"it's the chemicals, stupid!" in the diet section...) The difference is that my unfounded claim is harmless, and yours is dangerous.

As much as I dislike the idea, vaccines provide us with our only proven protection against many very, VERY bad diseases.  The problem with your thinking is that vaccines rely on something called 'herd immunity'--which basically means that we can only stop these diseases if a high enough percentage of the general population is given immunity.

If we don't compel (force) people to get vaccinated by some means, we get something called the 'free rider' effect--whereby people start opting out of the program because they think that if everyone else stays in, they will still be protected because no one can give them the disease.  When a bunch of people start to think like this, the whole system breaks down.

There are a lot of people out there on the Web making claims about all sorts of things. My advice is to head to a university's health science library and look up some of the information directly from reputable, peer-reviewed studies.

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Vaccines in most countries outside the US are free to their citizens. Vaccines are crutial to the public health so the governmnet makes damn sure that the pharm's don't screw them over with expensive prices. In fact to immunize three people it costs less than a viagra pill.

You didn't adress my question though. WOuld you rather have had tens of millions more die by now from smallpox or polio or would you have immunized everyone and wiped them off the face of the earth like they already did?

What would you do in africa? WOuld you tell the millions dying each year that they should just build up their systems gradually? How would they do that against malaria? Take some herbs or alkaline their body? Do you think an agressive virus or bacteria is going to wait while you try to gradually build up an immunity? Or would you suck it up and admit that you're wrong and give them the vaccines and rid the world of these diseases forever?

Alot of people out here belive that elvis lives and millions of Americans still believe that saddam Hussein had a direct link in 9/11, but are they right? Ignorance doesn't turn into reality just because a large group of uninformed people think something.

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I'm pretty much against vaccinating.

I rarely get sick anyway. I haven't had any vaccinations since the obligatory "starting kindergarten" ones that you get when you are 4.

I would prefer my children not get shots either, but then again, I don't have any kids yet so I'm not to worried about it.

I don't think they are horrible or will kill me, I just don't like the idea!

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I don't like vaccines either. I did took my hepititis (Spelling?) shots when I was younger, flu shots? who needs them, the nation is running low on them anyways, just leave them for people that actually need them. We're young we could take it.

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My body can pretty much fight a lot of things. It's not that I'm a anti vaccine person or anything.

Shut Up, you know what I mean.

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Well ya, if we're talking about the flu shot than sure, you don't need one. But it's dangerous to think you can hold off Hepatitis or Polio, or about a dozen others that you get vaccinated for because you can't fight these alone.

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YEah, there are shots you don't need, and some you do. Thats what I meant. And I have only taken hepatitis shots when I was a kid, thats all I remeber, did I miss an important shot?

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"All vaccinations are positively dangerous. Let me qualify."

Proof that the person isn't a doctor -- doctors can spell "clarify."

Feel free to be against vaccines -- but the only reason you can say that is because of the diseases eliminated by the vaccines already.

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I think he/she meant clarify too, but you could make a case for qualify...

qual·i·fy

v.

t.tr.

1. To describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of; characterize.

2. To make competent or eligible for an office, position, or task.

3.

a. To declare competent or capable; certify.

b. To make legally capable; license.

4. To modify, limit, or restrict, as by giving exceptions.

5. To make less harsh or severe; moderate. See Synonyms at moderate.

6. Grammar. To modify the meaning of (a noun, for example).

You’re right to complain though, the amount of ‘functional illiteracy’ I see displayed on message boards is astounding.

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Vaccines in most countries outside the US are free to their citizens. Vaccines are crutial to the public health so the governmnet makes damn sure that the pharm's don't screw them over with expensive prices. In fact to immunize three people it costs less than a viagra pill.

You didn't adress my question though. WOuld you rather have had tens of millions more die by now from smallpox or polio or would you have immunized everyone and wiped them off the face of the earth like they already did?

What would you do in africa? WOuld you tell the millions dying each year that they should just build up their systems gradually? How would they do that against malaria? Take some herbs or alkaline their body? Do you think an agressive virus or bacteria is going to wait while you try to gradually build up an immunity? Or would you suck it up and admit that you're wrong and give them the vaccines and rid the world of these diseases forever?

Alot of people out here belive that elvis lives and millions of Americans still believe that saddam Hussein had a direct link in 9/11, but are they right? Ignorance doesn't turn into reality just because a large group of uninformed people think something.

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"All vaccinations are positively dangerous. Let me qualify."

Proof that the person isn't a doctor -- doctors can spell "clarify."

Feel free to be against vaccines -- but the only reason you can say that is because of the diseases eliminated by the vaccines already.

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No -- it's not the correct "wording." They clearly meant clarify and qualify's definition is not consistent with restating something with veritable facts.

Sorry -- you're the moron, mate.

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Wow, that was quite all over the place. okay

The Aztecs were healthy and happy, enter the spanish=all wiped out from disease

The Natives from N America were happy and healthy=enter more exploreres and they all get smallpox and most of them die.

Early 20th century, everyone in N. America and the worldwas doing alright health wise(minus the great war)=enter the spanish flu and tens of millions were killed.

The connection? None of them were used to the disease. If they were immunized they would all be alive. The spanish didn't die and the Aztecs did because the Spanish built up an immunity over many generations. When a new disease is entered, you don't have time to gradually build up an immunity over decades, precisely the reason why immunizations are necessary.

I don't quite get your point with the African paragraph. If you're implying that not enough economically is being done I agree. If you mean that the the immunizations don't work you're way off. The only reason that malaria still effects aafricans today is that we haven't put up the money to immunize everyone(or at least 95%, the figure that they aim for). If would cost billions and billions(mainly for labour, administration, transport, setting up everything, etc... but the actual shots are dirt cheap). Yes, if everyone lived in an upscale area and there were no mosquitoes or dank water to drink we wouldn't need to be worried about malaria but that still is going under the assumption that there would be no malaria. If an bunch of mosquitoes carrying malaria came to upper Manhatten and started biting people, those who weren't immunized would die, even if they were living under exceptionally wealthy conditions.

I'm not talking about not thinking outside the mainstream, I'm talking about common sense. Cause and effect. You get malaria and are not treated with the vaccine you die. There is no alternative. Your child isn't immunized and they get dysentery and they die. Didn't even stand a chance to build up antibodies naturally. Things like acne, there is room for questioning and rightly so, but when it comes to life or death, you can be sure that they aren't screwing you just so the drug companies can make a profit on vaccines.

The FDA doesn't stop a doctor from practicing unless they are doing something that is injuring, or could injure their patients. I don't see anyone taking away the license of doctors that resommend accupuncture instead of pills for arthritis or a change in diet. I don't see doctors being thrown out for telling people to alkiline their body or to eat more omega 3 for their heart. What i do see is doctors who claim to treat cancer with liver flushing or Aids and to not get chemo. It can't be done. A doctor owes a patient a duty of care to not harm them. If a doctor truly believes that they can cure cancer or somethign else and a chronically ill patient who doesn't know better believes them, than yes I think they should stop practicing.

As for smallpox, yes it is wiped out from the face of the earth. The last recorded case was in Somalia in 1977. Unless terrorists have it, their are only two heavily guarded labs in the world that has the virus(officially). Only high level scientists can access it and you can bet any attempt to smuggle it out will result in deadly force.

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I hate to have to come to the defense of drug companies, as it is quite against my nature. However, I have to point out that vaccines are extremely expensive to produce and are delivered to governments (in Canada, anyway) at almost no markup.

The government doesn't pay for vaccinations because the drug companies want it to, they do it to control your mind. I heard it on the Simpsons, so it must be true.

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"Hey, isn't the phrase 'veritable facts' a little redundant?"

I thought the Oz was an idiot for trying to back up qualify -- you not being able to pick up a pretty clear pun is just sad, though.

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