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When i have acne i can't think straight.I lose my mental faculties of reasoning and logic.And i know that sucks.I love to come to this place and rant about my mis-adventures with acne.I cannot be a "Giggling piglet who emits positivity ".I am frustrated and so i crib here.There are some people here for whom i have a lot of respect and i am very fond of them! Their replies make my day and even though it's only 2 months for me here and it's a virtual friendship ,somehow it makes me smile! And smiling and being happy is all that matters? right? isn't that why we come here?

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mrnegative,

I know I've already shared my opinion, but I feel compelled to respond again.

Why?

Let me explain:

You ended your first post---which was about there being too much negativity---by asking for our opinion; then, after reading various opinions, you responded by accusing those who shared of being delusional, irrational, insecure and having "inner issues." You've insinuated that some responses were immature; you've called posts banal. Yet, through all of that, you maintain that your goal is to bring more “positivity” to this forum. Therefore, in my opinion, you’ve proven yourself to be the most irrational and most naïve poster I’ve ever encountered. And---although it goes without saying---you’ve failed at bringing “positivity” to this forum.

Furthermore, I think you’ve demonstrated that you’re completely incapable of comprehending the nature of acne and its “psychological effects.” Overgeneralization is one of the biggest mistakes someone can make about acne. And you, my friend, are guilty of exactly this. You seem feel that you ‘know’ what others are going through and, therefore, can judge whether someone’s personal feelings are “rational” or “irrational.” This, I believe, is a clear demonstration of ignorance to the diverse nature of acne. Acne comes in many forms (some quite severe) and its effects on those afflicted are even more varied. Hence I strongly believe that, without being privy to personal details, it’s impossible to differentiate between what is “right” or “wrong” when it comes to personal feelings---even to the extreme of the cancer comparison. Oh, and one last thing: look up the definition of "ad hominem." smile.png

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mrnegative,

I know I've already shared my opinion, but I feel compelled to respond again.

Why?

Let me explain:

You ended your first post---which was about there being too much negativity---by asking for our opinion; then, after reading various opinions, you responded by accusing those who shared of being delusional, irrational, insecure and having "inner issues." You've insinuated that some responses were immature; you've called posts banal. Yet, through all of that, you maintain that your goal is to bring more “positivity” to this forum. Therefore, in my opinion, you’ve proven yourself to be the most irrational and most naïve poster I’ve ever encountered. And---although it goes without saying---you’ve failed at bringing “positivity” to this forum.

Furthermore, I think you’ve demonstrated that you’re completely incapable of comprehending the nature of acne and its “psychological effects.” Overgeneralization is one of the biggest mistakes someone can make about acne. And you, my friend, are guilty of exactly this. You seem feel that you ‘know’ what others are going through and, therefore, can judge whether someone’s personal feelings are “rational” or “irrational.” This, I believe, is a clear demonstration of ignorance to the diverse nature of acne. Acne comes in many forms (some quite severe) and its effects on those afflicted are even more varied. Hence I strongly believe that, without being privy to personal details, it’s impossible to differentiate between what is “right” or “wrong” when it comes to personal feelings---even to the extreme of the cancer comparison. Oh, and one last thing: look up the definition of "ad hominem." smile.png

After graduating from a top university and being accepted to a top law school, I'm quite unlikely to have to verify the definition of "ad hominem," kid. Now, on to the accusations. If I'm the most naive and negative poster you have encountered on this site, then it's only appropriate that I call you delusional. My intention was never to be accusatory, but only to be positive in the sense of bringing another perspective to an extremely depressing environment (of which I had previously become a part of). You have expressed your (extreme) struggles with acne in previous posts and I understand where you are coming from. However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments. And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. :)

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Damn, well this topic blew up. Being positive has nothing to do with ignoring your acne. If you have acne, you should seek out treatment to minimize long-term damage to your skin. It's really as simple as that. The rest is psychological. If you wallow in negativity (something I'm prone to doing), you depress yourself and suck the energy out of your life. This is how acne can become debilitating. Also, Sisyphus, some movie stars DO have acne scars and many others are not very attractive in person sans make-up. Yes, there are actors and actresses with perfect skin, but there are also many that have skin issues just as serious (if not worse) than people on this site. snsdgirl14, I like our matching perspectives smile.png

From my understanding after reading and lurking this website for years, is a lot of the people here seem to be from The United States and unable to afford to see a dermatologist due to lack of funds or coverage. They try to treat their acne ineffectively with over the counter products and natural remedies versus prescription which results in failure and they then seem to lose all hope.There also seems to be a large number of people very afraid to go on or unable to afford Accutane as well, which only prolongs their suffering.

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Ok fair enough, I see where you're coming from dejaclairevoyant and UnacceptedRealist when it comes to comparing acne to cancer because I've been there myself, I know sometimes it just doesn't matter how much worse things could be, it feels completely irrelevent compared to the stuff we are going through personally. However, seeing people in wheelchairs or knowing people that are going through cancer has always made me feel guilty and selfish for feeling so depressed about my acne - for me it's a massive wake up call and makes me put my problems into perspective.

I do get that for some, acne can cause suicidal thoughts and using this site has helped so many people. Everyone is entitled to the way they feel - there is no right or wrong. I think being judgemental of others feelings is just frutile because no one can possibly understand completely what someone else is going through and I was wrong to say it was stupid/ naive. The reason I got so frustrated by the comment is because although I know that some would chose cancer over acne, I also can't see how people can condone that kind of rationale.

Most people would objectively say that wanting cancer over acne is irrational. I'm not saying their perspective is wrong at all, just that those emotions are not healthy. That's why I think a reality check is needed here: if I was suicidal/ wanting cancer over acne, I would personally go and get counselling, but if people were telling me my behaviour was perfectly ok then I probably wouldn't go and get the necessary professional help.

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After graduating from a top university and being accepted to a top law school, I'm quite unlikely to have to verify the definition of "ad hominem," kid. Now, on to the accusations. If I'm the most naive and negative poster you have encountered on this site, then it's only appropriate that I call you delusional. My intention was never to be accusatory, but only to be positive in the sense of bringing another perspective to an extremely depressing environment (of which I had previously become a part of). You have expressed your (extreme) struggles with acne in previous posts and I understand where you are coming from. However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments. And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

Well, I have to say, I'm impressed. I didn't think you could top the asininity of your previous posts, but you've manage to do just that.

With that said, however, I suppose I will humor you with a response. Let's start here:

However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments.

Based on your behavior, I'm assuming this "approach" involves name-calling and an, overall, argumentative posting style, right?

And you call me delusional...

Now, on to this:

And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

This, right here, is what I take the most issue with. I understand that you had (have?) acne and that you've endured the effects---both physically and psychologically. However, I strongly believe that personal experience does not serve as a valid reason to claim that you "know" what others are going through. Do you, honestly, not understand this?

Acne is far too varied for any form of generalization. Period.

Therefore, to discredit other people's feelings based on your own experience is, in my opinion, a clear demonstration of either ignorance or stupidity.

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After graduating from a top university and being accepted to a top law school, I'm quite unlikely to have to verify the definition of "ad hominem," kid. Now, on to the accusations. If I'm the most naive and negative poster you have encountered on this site, then it's only appropriate that I call you delusional. My intention was never to be accusatory, but only to be positive in the sense of bringing another perspective to an extremely depressing environment (of which I had previously become a part of). You have expressed your (extreme) struggles with acne in previous posts and I understand where you are coming from. However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments. And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

Well, I have to say, I'm impressed. I didn't think you could top the asininity of your previous posts, but you've manage to do just that.

With that said, however, I suppose I will humor you with a response. Let's start here:

> However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments.

Based on your behavior, I'm assuming this "approach" involves name-calling and an, overall, argumentative posting style, right?

And you call me delusional...

Now, on to this:

And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

This, right here, is what I take the most issue with. I understand that you had (have?) acne and that you've endured the effects---both physically and psychologically. However, I strongly believe that personal experience does not serve as a valid reason to claim that you "know" what others are going through. Do you, honestly, not understand this?

Acne is far too varied for any form of generalization. Period.

Therefore, to discredit other people's feelings based on your own experience is, in my opinion, a clear demonstration of either ignorance or stupidity.

Well, at least your posts amuse me to some extent. I don't really wish to involve myself in any sort of childish name calling (especially with a poster who seems to be fully dedicated to pessimism), so I'll stick to a strictly professional response. I don't want to continue this conversation with you, because it's just not worth it. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just think we have very different perspectives and we'll never reach any sort of common ground. So, if I am understanding your post correctly, are you implying that you subscribe to a philosophy that rules out any sort of mutual understanding, simply because all people are different (a common cliché, but a fact nonetheless)? Since acne varies to a tremendous extent physically and its psychological effects manifest themselves in an infinite number of ways, then literally NO one on the face of this earth can even begin to understand what another is going through. Is...this what you're attempting to convey? If it is, refer to my statement above - we'll simply never agree. Take care, man.

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When i have acne i can't think straight.I lose my mental faculties of reasoning and logic.And i know that sucks.I love to come to this place and rant about my mis-adventures with acne.I cannot be a "Giggling piglet who emits positivity ".I am frustrated and so i crib here.There are some people here for whom i have a lot of respect and i am very fond of them! Their replies make my day and even though it's only 2 months for me here and it's a virtual friendship ,somehow it makes me smile! And smiling and being happy is all that matters? right? isn't that why we come here?

its because u take in the positive way and look up.

i will repeat myself once more : being upset and speaking of being upset is not wrong.here or otherwise.

but to be 'so negative' that u dnt take in hope and never look up is not crime but it just means u need 'help'.

could be in any form.

to put it in a good way,u r too depressed for a post to help u.

n i dnt mean it in any bad way.

ALSO,i dnt think i am judgemental.

and i am not sorry for saying that 'acne is trivial IN COMPARISON cancer'.

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aanabill,

apparently suggesting that posters who compare the effects of acne to those of cancer are likely in need of professional help (not an acne forum) is being judgmental. I can't really fathom how this is so, but that is what a lot of the "nay-sayers" are claiming. If someone who holds this opinion is willing to explain how stating the obvious is being judgmental, I'll be anxious to read a convincing response.

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aanabill,

apparently suggesting that posters who compare the effects of acne to those of cancer are likely in need of professional help (not an acne forum) is being judgmental. I can't really fathom how this is so, but that is what a lot of the "nay-sayers" are claiming. If someone who holds this opinion is willing to explain how stating the obvious is being judgmental, I'll be anxious to read a convincing response.

i can say why it isnt.i think i will defend statement here.

because when i read about someone being so depressed,i feel bad.

i am not irritated(unless he/she is cursing or being too rude OR claiming facts that are vulgar and cheap - being sad is no excuse for being cheap and low) and i wanna help.

we all wanna help.

but even after several posts that person is least effected then i am concerned and according to the Little sense i have i think he/she needs help.

i dnt know how asking one to seek help(in anyway) is bad.

its mostly because we wanna help but we cant after all we aint professionals.

Most people would objectively say that wanting cancer over acne is irrational. I'm not saying their perspective is wrong at all, just that those emotions are not healthy. That's why I think a reality check is needed here: if I was suicidal/ wanting cancer over acne, I would personally go and get counselling, but if people were telling me my behaviour was perfectly ok then I probably wouldn't go and get the necessary professional help.

this.

exactly this.

After graduating from a top university and being accepted to a top law school, I'm quite unlikely to have to verify the definition of "ad hominem," kid. Now, on to the accusations. If I'm the most naive and negative poster you have encountered on this site, then it's only appropriate that I call you delusional. My intention was never to be accusatory, but only to be positive in the sense of bringing another perspective to an extremely depressing environment (of which I had previously become a part of). You have expressed your (extreme) struggles with acne in previous posts and I understand where you are coming from. However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments. And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

Well, I have to say, I'm impressed. I didn't think you could top the asininity of your previous posts, but you've manage to do just that.

With that said, however, I suppose I will humor you with a response. Let's start here:

> However, you are in no position to claim that I have brought negativity to this forum by attempting to offer a different approach to all of our ailments.

Based on your behavior, I'm assuming this "approach" involves name-calling and an, overall, argumentative posting style, right?

And you call me delusional...

Now, on to this:

And yes, I do "know" what others are going through. Just because I don't post pictures of my acne doesn't mean I don't know what it means to struggle both physically and psychologically. I would honestly take you on in any argument you wish to bring forth. Please proceed. smile.png

This, right here, is what I take the most issue with. I understand that you had (have?) acne and that you've endured the effects---both physically and psychologically. However, I strongly believe that personal experience does not serve as a valid reason to claim that you "know" what others are going through. Do you, honestly, not understand this?

Acne is far too varied for any form of generalization. Period.

Therefore, to discredit other people's feelings based on your own experience is, in my opinion, a clear demonstration of either ignorance or stupidity.

STATEMENT ONE: its people who suffer or have suffered from acne who understand the basic psychological effect.The degree of effects and emotions varies because people are varied in their mental set up.

STATEMENT TWO - to ask one who needs support and help primarily because they should be able to come out of the 'dark zone' as soon as possible for their own mental/physical health and moving on in life is not being judgemental.

its mostly because someone is trying to help out of concern.

saying 'cancer over acne choice' is 'wrong' isn't judgemental either.

one may not see it as the worse scenario,but her/his thinking so doesnt make it right.

so may be we are trying to tell him/her that she needs to re-think(by either stating personal logic or anecdotes or whatever).

STATEMENT THREE - saying i am in this too or i understand you,doesnt mean u're the only one who cares.

people are varied like u said.

people have various ways of trying to help.

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When i have acne i can't think straight.I lose my mental faculties of reasoning and logic.And i know that sucks.I love to come to this place and rant about my mis-adventures with acne.I cannot be a "Giggling piglet who emits positivity ".I am frustrated and so i crib here.There are some people here for whom i have a lot of respect and i am very fond of them! Their replies make my day and even though it's only 2 months for me here and it's a virtual friendship ,somehow it makes me smile! And smiling and being happy is all that matters? right? isn't that why we come here?

its because u take in the positive way and look up.

i will repeat myself once more : being upset and speaking of being upset is not wrong.here or otherwise.

but to be 'so negative' that u dnt take in hope and never look up is not crime but it just means u need 'help'.

could be in any form.

to put it in a good way,u r too depressed for a post to help u.

n i dnt mean it in any bad way.

ALSO,i dnt think i am judgemental.

and i am not sorry for saying that 'acne is trivial IN COMPARISON cancer'.

aana ,maine aapki vo baat to kabki maan li :) . I already told you my views become too extreme and dramatic sometimes :).

Typing negative things on a forum just to incite positive reactions from others to feel better is different from being in a negative downward spiral and letting that negativity consume you .Although i rant a lot here .I might sound like a cribbing fool sometimes.But believe me i'm a lot more positive in real life.It's only when i'm online here that i think about my acne.Reading,chess,music and friends take the rest of my time and energy .

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right.

so u see the 'zone' does trap u sometimes,doesnt it?

and the acne-cancer thing wasn't for u.

this is the 1st time i have read hindi on this site!

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That's a good point, Perseverance92. Every time I come to this site, I become much more aware and self-conscious of my acne and the damage it has caused. It's strangely addicting, though.

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Oh and just to add to Sisyphus: no one here is denying the psychological impact of acne AT ALL and undoubtedly it's both widespread and deeply rooted. HOWEVER, to quote something that states acne is the biggest form of psychic trauma is just plain ignorant...I'm sorry to be harsh but if that's what you actually believe then you need a bit of a reality check. Acne is crap...but there are a lot more mentally debilitating diseases and conditions out there, it basically suggests you are comparing a disease like cancer to acne, which frankly is either stupid or naive.

"There is no single disease which causes more psychic trauma, more maladjustment between parents and children, more general insecurity and feelings of inferiority and greater sums of psychic suffering than does acne vulgaris." --Sulzberger & Zaldems"

Yet another person misinterpreting the quote. What about the rest of the quote? Do you think the quote means having acne is worse than brain cancer? That obviously isn't true. That quote is referring to the totality of all psychic trauma from the billions of people that have acne. Compare that to the trauma only 40,000 people, which are mostly senior citizens, get from rectal cancer each year. The psychic trauma from acne can last a lifetime. It does not mean acne is worse than cancer. I'm sure plenty of people develop lifelong depression and anxiety disorders from cancer. Also, It isn't counting the trauma experienced by people that don't have cancer or acne themselves.

Cancer, known medically as a malignant neoplasm, is a broad group of various DISEASES, all involving unregulated cell growth. Did you notice how it says cancer is a broad group of various diseases and that my quote says "there is no single disease that causes more psychic trauma". That means cancer's are diseases, but melanoma and colon cancer are not the same disease. "Colon cancer, is a cancer from uncontrolled cell growth in the colon or rectum, or in the appendix." Melanoma on the other hand, is a malignant tumor or melanocyte.Therefore, my quote is not comparing all psychic trauma from acne to all psychic trauma from cancer, it is instead comparing all psychic trauma from acne to all colon cancer psychic trauma, or the sum of all trauma from melanoma or any other single disease. Do you understand the huge difference? On average, how many thousands of people with acne do you think it takes to have similar amounts of psychic trauma as one person with lung cancer? If the psychic trauma from one person with colon cancer was equivalent to the the psychic trauma of 10,000 people with acne then acne would still cause more psychic trauma by a landslide since so many more people get acne. Do you understand?

Psychic trauma is defined as an emotional shock or injury or a distressful situation that produces a lasting impression, especially on the subconscious mind. Some causes of psychic trauma may include abuse or neglect in childhood, rape, and loss of a loved one. Are children and teenager's or senior citizens more likely to have negative lasting impressions on the subconscious mind from distressful situation? It's also not counting physical pain.

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Well, at least your posts amuse me to some extent. I don't really wish to involve myself in any sort of childish name calling (especially with a poster who seems to be fully dedicated to pessimism), so I'll stick to a strictly professional response. I don't want to continue this conversation with you, because it's just not worth it. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just think we have very different perspectives and we'll never reach any sort of common ground. So, if I am understanding your post correctly, are you implying that you subscribe to a philosophy that rules out any sort of mutual understanding, simply because all people are different (a common cliché, but a fact nonetheless)? Since acne varies to a tremendous extent physically and its psychological effects manifest themselves in an infinite number of ways, then literally NO one on the face of this earth can even begin to understand what another is going through. Is...this what you're attempting to convey? If it is, refer to my statement above - we'll simply never agree. Take care, man.

To clarify:

I don't think any amount of personal experience with acne is enough to discredit someone's personal feelings---even if they seem "extreme" to you.

This, however, doesn't mean you can't give advice or have a "mutual understanding." But in the case of labeling people as irrational or on the verge of institutionalization, I don't think personal experience is ever enough.

STATEMENT ONE: its people who suffer or have suffered from acne who understand the basic psychological effect.The degree of effects and emotions varies because people are varied in their mental set up.

STATEMENT TWO - to ask one who needs support and help primarily because they should be able to come out of the 'dark zone' as soon as possible for their own mental/physical health and moving on in life is not being judgemental.

its mostly because someone is trying to help out of concern.

saying 'cancer over acne choice' is 'wrong' isn't judgemental either.

one may not see it as the worse scenario,but her/his thinking so doesnt make it right.

so may be we are trying to tell him/her that she needs to re-think(by either stating personal logic or anecdotes or whatever).

STATEMENT THREE - saying i am in this too or i understand you,doesnt mean u're the only one who cares.

people are varied like u said.

people have various ways of trying to help.

aanabill,

1.) I, personally, don't believe there is a "basic psychological effect."

2.) With regards to the "cancer over acne" belief, my point is not that you're being judgmental; rather, I believe both conditions are far too diverse for any generalized statement. Sure, typically, people view cancer as being far more severe, but I believe this is not always true. There are many forms of cancer. And some of these forms, if caught reasonably early, are very treatable and have very little long-term impact.

Likewise, acne can take on varying degrees of severity (some very severe); therefore, I think there are hypothetical scenarios in which an acne-for-cancer swap would be a rational choice. Basically, I think acne is disrespected too often, but that doesn't mean I don't respect cancer.

3.) I agree.

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Well, at least your posts amuse me to some extent. I don't really wish to involve myself in any sort of childish name calling (especially with a poster who seems to be fully dedicated to pessimism), so I'll stick to a strictly professional response. I don't want to continue this conversation with you, because it's just not worth it. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just think we have very different perspectives and we'll never reach any sort of common ground. So, if I am understanding your post correctly, are you implying that you subscribe to a philosophy that rules out any sort of mutual understanding, simply because all people are different (a common cliché, but a fact nonetheless)? Since acne varies to a tremendous extent physically and its psychological effects manifest themselves in an infinite number of ways, then literally NO one on the face of this earth can even begin to understand what another is going through. Is...this what you're attempting to convey? If it is, refer to my statement above - we'll simply never agree. Take care, man.

To clarify:

I don't think any amount of personal experience with acne is enough to discredit someone's personal feelings---even if they seem "extreme" to you.

This, however, doesn't mean you can't give advice or have a "mutual understanding." But in the case of labeling people as irrational or on the verge of institutionalization, I don't think personal experience is ever enough.

>STATEMENT ONE: its people who suffer or have suffered from acne who understand the basic psychological effect.The degree of effects and emotions varies because people are varied in their mental set up.

STATEMENT TWO - to ask one who needs support and help primarily because they should be able to come out of the 'dark zone' as soon as possible for their own mental/physical health and moving on in life is not being judgemental.

its mostly because someone is trying to help out of concern.

saying 'cancer over acne choice' is 'wrong' isn't judgemental either.

one may not see it as the worse scenario,but her/his thinking so doesnt make it right.

so may be we are trying to tell him/her that she needs to re-think(by either stating personal logic or anecdotes or whatever).

STATEMENT THREE - saying i am in this too or i understand you,doesnt mean u're the only one who cares.

people are varied like u said.

people have various ways of trying to help.

aanabill,

1.) I, personally, don't believe there is a "basic psychological effect."

2.) With regards to the "cancer over acne" belief, my point is not that you're being judgmental; rather, I believe both conditions are far too diverse for any generalized statement. Sure, typically, people view cancer as being far more severe, but I believe this is not always true. There are many forms of cancer. And some of these forms, if caught reasonably early, are very treatable and have very little long-term impact.

Likewise, acne can take on varying degrees of severity (some very severe); therefore, I think there are hypothetical scenarios in which an acne-for-cancer swap would be a rational choice. Basically, I think acne is disrespected too often, but that doesn't mean I don't respect cancer.

3.) I agree.

I think, at this point, we'd all appreciate if you keep your opinion to yourself, dude. You've made enough gawk-worthy statements.

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I think, at this point, we'd all appreciate if you keep your opinion to yourself, dude. You've made enough gawk-worthy statements.

Gawk-worthy?

I don't think anything I've said is "gawk-worthy." In fact, very little of what I've said is even an opinion---it's fact. But, alas, I guess you're happier in your simplified and overly generalized world.

Keep it positive, bro.

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I think, at this point, we'd all appreciate if you keep your opinion to yourself, dude. You've made enough gawk-worthy statements.

Gawk-worthy?

I don't think anything I've said is "gawk-worthy." In fact, very little of what I've said is even an opinion---it's fact. But, alas, I guess you're happier in your simplified and overly generalized world.

Keep it positive, bro.

Making some sort of nit-picky, "probing" argument into the nature of cancer and its medical diversity is far from showcasing complexity. Did you seriously just say that, in some cases, acne is more serious than cancer just because on the odd occasion, if caught early, the latter is easily treatable? I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

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That's a good point, Perseverance92. Every time I come to this site, I become much more aware and self-conscious of my acne and the damage it has caused. It's strangely addicting, though.

I know buddy.This site has a magnetic effect on me.Inevitably everyday i end up logging in here ...lol

right.

so u see the 'zone' does trap u sometimes,doesnt it?

and the acne-cancer thing wasn't for u.

this is the 1st time i have read hindi on this site!

:) yeh maybe... and hindi? Well because there are hardly any Indian's here.And those who are here use English.

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Making some sort of nit-picky, "probing" argument into the nature of cancer and its medical diversity is far from showcasing complexity. Did you seriously just say that, in some cases, acne is more serious than cancer just because on the odd occasion, if caught early, the latter is easily treatable? I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

I hardly think asking people to consider both the typical and the not-so-typical before attacking someone's rationale is being "nit-picky." Moreover, I'm clearly not demonstrating complexity---I'm merely stating the obvious. However, you seem to be unable to move away from all-inclusive labels such as "any." And arguments based on such are rarely---if ever---going to be correct.

Furthermore, only because of my great respect for cancer, I shall attempt to clarify my statements again. I'm not, in any way, looking to demean or trivialize cancer (in any form), it's very serious and I would never wish it on anyone. But, with that said, I also think that acne has extreme forms that warrant the utmost respect as well. So, yes, I believe there are hypothetical scenarios, such as if we were comparing an individual with one of the least malign forms of cancer to an individual with one of most severe forms of acne, in which acne is not always the rational choice. This, however, is hardly complex. There is very little in life that is always true.

But, at this point, it seems as if you're just throwing out words---such as gawk-worthy, nit-picky and delusional---and not providing any specifics as to why I fit all of these labels. Thus, I must ask you to consider taking your own advice:

I don't want to continue this conversation with you, because it's just not worth it. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just think we have very different perspectives and we'll never reach any sort of common ground.

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Making some sort of nit-picky, "probing" argument into the nature of cancer and its medical diversity is far from showcasing complexity. Did you seriously just say that, in some cases, acne is more serious than cancer just because on the odd occasion, if caught early, the latter is easily treatable? I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

I hardly think asking people to consider both the typical and the not-so-typical before attacking someone's rationale is being "nit-picky." Moreover, I'm clearly not demonstrating complexity---I'm merely stating the obvious. However, you seem to be unable to move away from all-inclusive labels such as "any." And arguments based on such are rarely---if ever---going to be correct.

Furthermore, only because of my great respect for cancer, I shall attempt to clarify my statements again. I'm not, in any way, looking to demean or trivialize cancer (in any form), it's very serious and I would never wish it on anyone. But, with that said, I also think that acne has extreme forms that warrant the utmost respect as well. So, yes, I believe there are hypothetical scenarios, such as if we were comparing an individual with one of the least malign forms of cancer to an individual with one of most severe forms of acne, in which acne is not always the rational choice. This, however, is hardly complex. There is very little in life that is always true.

But, at this point, it seems as if you're just throwing out words---such as gawk-worthy, nit-picky and delusional---and not providing any specifics as to why I fit all of these labels. Thus, I must ask you to consider taking your own advice:

>>I don't want to continue this conversation with you, because it's just not worth it. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just think we have very different perspectives and we'll never reach any sort of common ground.

I was clearly the first to consider ending the conversation, but you chose to respond once again. It does seem like the posts you are now making are a bit more moderate than when you first began. The bit that intrigued me most is the fact that you responded to my topic initially (your post did not receive any attention from me because I naturally disagree with your perspective) and then you curiously came back to side with a user who was throwing out accusations. I'm unsure of whether you thought this was some form of heroism or you just wanted to capture my attention. It seems as though you've succeeded and, for that, I do commend you.

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I think, at this point, we'd all appreciate if you keep your opinion to yourself, dude. You've made enough gawk-worthy statements.

Gawk-worthy?

I don't think anything I've said is "gawk-worthy." In fact, very little of what I've said is even an opinion---it's fact. But, alas, I guess you're happier in your simplified and overly generalized world.

Keep it positive, bro.

what u say is 'facts' while we r talking with small heads!

everything so simplified and generalised .so i suggest u my friend stop reacting to what non-sense we speak.

we r idiots.

and u r too form for us,small heads, to shake or convince!

so ignore us.

my thought on those(no one in particular) who think cancer is better a choice than acne at any point in life; it means u r really really depressed :

its because they dnt have cancer.

1st stage or last stage is a degree of varied torture.

doesnt mean anything is less torturous.

if u really think cancer would be a better choice for u compared to anything(including acne - mild or severe) ,as a well wisher i suggest please seek some support or help from someone u trust or professionally.

please.

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I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

My dad had the most common kind of cancer, basal cell carcinoma. He had to apply a cream for several weeks until it was gone. If the cancer wasn't caught early he would have had the cancer either cut out or frozen off with a chemical. I know we like to associate cancer with pain, suffering and death, but do you really believe that having an easily treatable little bump on your skin is worse than having a hundred treatment-resistant bumps and blackheads all over your face for a decade of your youth and then having severe scarring for the rest of your life?

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I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

My dad had the most common kind of cancer, basal cell carcinoma. He had to apply a cream for several weeks until it was gone. If that didn't work he would have had the cancer either cut out or frozen off with a chemical. I know we like to associate cancer with pain, suffering and death, but do you really believe that having an easily treatable little bump on your skin is worse than having a hundred treatment-resistant bumps and blackheads all over your face for a decade and then having severe scarring for the rest of your life?

also the way its looked at is different if you have cancer they make braclets,t-shirts and people look up to you because your fighting it, while with severe acne you get picked on,laughed at even tho your trying your best to get rid of it. people show no sympathy for acne sufferes we are just disgusting freaks.

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1stly, am sorry ur father was diagnosed with cancer and am glad he's treated.

my regards to him.

to u,

ever heard of the word relapse?its not uncommon even though its not a must.

ever heard about genetical tendency of carcinoma?

anyway,i will not react anymore on this comparison.the comparison is started and thats why we respond and then suddenly one says its too varied so its pointless to compare.

i will say one thing - i am not here to side anyone or support anybody(no,not even mrnegative).i respond to statements made(not even the whole posts).

i will just say,please take care of his diet and lifestyle.

a good living can switch on or off the genetic setups.

so i've heard.

I don't think anyone would pick having ANY sort of cancer over acne, even if it is caught early and effectively treated. Maybe that's delusional? I don't know.

My dad had the most common kind of cancer, basal cell carcinoma. He had to apply a cream for several weeks until it was gone. If that didn't work he would have had the cancer either cut out or frozen off with a chemical. I know we like to associate cancer with pain, suffering and death, but do you really believe that having an easily treatable little bump on your skin is worse than having a hundred treatment-resistant bumps and blackheads all over your face for a decade and then having severe scarring for the rest of your life?

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