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The Great Conspiracy...

This is my theory...

These days they can reconstruct people's faces after accidents, perform skin grafts, even limb and face transplants. Yet it is almost impossible to get rid of a few acne scars. Whilst for us the scars are an issue, let's be honest in relative terms they are fairly superficial when compared to the above procedures. So why do you think it is so hard to get rid of acne scarring?

My belief is this...it is very easy to manipulate the healing process when it comes to acne scarring - whereas with the above procedures the results are clearly obvious and take effect immediately, with acne scarring there is scope for the whole 'results with time' facade. Dermaroller, Fraxel etc. Cosmetic surgeons use this to keep you coming back for repeated treatments, lining their pockets in the process. Any results you may have over time are most likely due to your body's natural healing process, rather than any procedure they have done. Don't fall for the before and after photos; often these are taken with different lighting, and the in the 'after' photos they are often wearing make up.

Same reason why they are reluctant to offer permanent fillers - I doubt this has anything to do with adverse effects, and more to do with the fact that temporary fillers are significantly more profitable. 1 treatment at £400 or a lifetime of 3-monthly injections, at £400 a time?

Any other procedures are done in such a way that they create more problems, so that you keep coming back to sort out what they messed up on the previous occasion.

The cosmetic surgery industry is very loosely regulated, if at all. This gives practitioners enormous scope to get away with pretty much anything, and to charge whatever they want. If you dare to complain, the ugly side of the industry will reveal itself; it will be you vs. the hospital the surgeon is affiliated with, they will win hands down. Even if they work independently, you can almost certainly guaranteed they will be affiliated with some sort of organisation or union, in order to cover their backs.

Acne scarring is not at the forefront of medical research, compared to things like HIV and cancer, so whilst it is highly likely there is a true solution to the problem, it won't be found anytime soon, and in the meantime all the cosmetic surgeons will continue to rip off the vulnerable and insecure, offering treatments that don't work.

People don't become cosmetic surgeons because they want to help people, it is because they want to make money. People who want to help others are doctors, nurses, etc. When have you ever seen practitioner offering a reasonable price for a treatment, not the usual extortionate prices? The fact that many clinics offer discounts for subsequent treatments shows their business strategy, they want you to keep coming back. Don't fall for it.

This is just my take on the situation. You don't have to believe me, but I think this fairly accurately describes the situation many of us are faced with. I'm not bitter, or angry. I haven't had any treatments since the beginning of January, and I will not do so until a credible procedure that actually works becomes available. I've even noticed improvements in my skin since I stopped treatments, and I think this has more to do with not subjecting my face to these aggressive and ineffective treatments in the first place. After all, repeatedly pounding the skin with needles/lasers/acid can't be good, if anything it seems like a problem in itself.

Edited by dx4567

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The only conspiracy that I kinda believe is companies like Proactiv refusing to acknowledge diet and acne are co-ordilated. They have published studies in the Book of Dermatology (I think thats what its called) linking certain foods like milk to acne yet these companies say there is no correlation. Their products only mask the symptons but if you dont treat the source you will continue to break out and are going to have to take their products for many years. Youd think if they actually wanted to get rid of your acne they would tell if you EVERYTHING that you can do to get prevent the spots. I know i read the little book proativ sends you with their kit, it clearly says food does not cause acne. Thankfully and hopefully a new treatment coming out soon will end these companies profits. The University of California is extremely close to finding the acne vaccine. They claim it should be available between 2016-2021. Even though we wont benefit from it, our children certainly will. I believe they are currently doing clinical trials on lab rats at the moment and the FDA takes forever to approve any new vaccine :\. And all the crazy people who believe vaccines are coordilated with autism will refuse their children to receive the cure.
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Acne Scars on the other hand, I dont see much conspiracy because ALL scars are very hard to treat, burn scars, keloid scars, acne scars. But technology is constantly evolving and with new devices like the SCAAR FX and RECELL which are specifically designed for most types of scars so you can not say scientist are not looking for whats in our best interest in that regard. The technology is getting closer and closer to the point where acne scars will be 1-3 treatments for amazing results. I have seen to many success stories on the scar forum to believe that results are impossible. The only people you need to be cautious of are people selling you emu oil because it "cures all skin problems". And the reason why anyone with a MD charges alot because MDs are very hard to get and take alot of time away from their life so they can study for school. Also they have to pay college loans. If they got paid lest then we would be no longer be living in a capitalist country and turn into a socialist country where people regardless of how much work they put into aquiring something they still get paid just a little bit more than your local mcdonalds employees..

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I've had laser treatments and I'm glad I did. It helped me so much, I can't tell you. Lasering out the redness of your skin does work and it can help you a lot. I can confirm this. So not everything is a scam.

Some of the things that you've described are very real though. It is a shame that some things happen.

One thing I've heard someone who does work which may contribute to finding a cure for cancer say is that he doesn't do his work to help humanity but he does it because he finds the science fascinating. He actually doesn't really care if there is an actual cure, saying nonsense like "Cancer is nature's way of killing people so that the new generation can come along". So he has actually accepted cancer in a way and claims he doesn't really have a problem with it. rolleyes.gif That guy may have went to medical school and all but he's still a fool if you ask me.

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I think the real answers for acne scars will come from burn treatments and wrinkle reduction. Especially wrinkles will fuel the research. Burn scar treatment is considered humanitarian so it gets funding. Do you have any idea the market for wrinkle reduction is? Acne scars will ride the coatails of wrinkles. I have done all the biggies and only Re:pair at peak settings did any good, and I have had 5 of those. Even Re:pair was not promoted as an acne scar treatment, it was promoted for wrinkles and tightening. There are no miracle cures, but if you stick with a well thought out plan you can reach your goal. I am not exactly sitting around twiddling my thumbs. Your body will not heal itself past a certain stage, it has no problems with scars, they are in a natural state that your body created. I have an appendix scar that has been there since I was 8, the hole is sealed so my body is quite content with the scar. There is no conspiracy, the free maket is flowing to where the money is, which is wrinkles. Lucky for us any wrinkle advance can usually be adapted to acne scars.

The cosmetic industry is a farce, even the amount of retin-a they put in their products is so small as to be useless. Only Retin-a, hylaronic acid and fractional ablative CO2 has shown any effect on wrinkles. The supplement industry is an even bigger joke, with legions of robots who buy their promises.

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I understand your frustration, and I agree that cosmetic surgeons are, by in large, only in it to bag as much they can, and retire early to the Bahamas.

However the principal you are basing your argument on is wrong. I rarely comment on this forum but ive seen so many comments similar to yours I felt I had to.

Acne scarring is just that; scarring. Now you have mentioned reconstructions of faces, however have u ever seen one where the after is exactly as was before, ie where there is no trace of the initial severe wound or scar? Face transplants are incredible, but do you think if someone who had had one one walked by you on the street, you wouldn't be able to tell he/she had one? Of course you would. None of these procedures leave you exactly as before, becaus it is physically and biologically impossible to do so. When tissue is lost, and scars form, whether from acne or any trauma, our body accepts it as skin and doesnt know its any different to any other non-scarred skin. Do you think any laser, dermaroller etc will be able to tell your brain and skin that this scar shouldnt be there? Humans can't regenarate 100% perfection like some animals can, for example loose limbs and grow them back as before, no trace of past trauma.

Acne scarring is superficial compare to most forms but stil is scarring by definition, and the atrophies can be improved, but never eradicated. I don't see a time, honestly, where we will be able to take an acne scarred face and transform it to one with no traces of any scars. I don't think that time will come. I hope im wrong however.

And also, do you not think if there was a cure or one great treatment for acne scars, don't you think with all the amazing progress being made in science they would have made it? Funding aside, the billions to be made for the discoverer of such a cure would be enough for many to try and find it. I don't think it is there,

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I believe the money will flow towards wrinkle cures and thereby to scar cures. The demand is just too high, and you know the first one to find a cure for wrinkles with hit a gold mine. Follow the money trail. Acne scar sufferers can only benefit from the Wrinkle Wars and burn scar advancements. The only real advancements in 50 years have come out of people who wanted to look younger. First we had dermabrasion, then around 95 came the Regular CO2 resurfacing and then in 2008 came the fraxtionalized ablative CO2. Lord know how long dermabrasion has been around, but there was a huge timeframe between that and CO2 and only 13 years between CO2 and Re:pair. Progress is being made, but it advances slowly. The Baby Boomers are the salvation because they are demanding a cure for aging and they carry the big stick. Now if we can get the silly government out of the way real progress can be made with stem cells.

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I believe the money will flow towards wrinkle cures and thereby to scar cures. The demand is just too high, and you know the first one to find a cure for wrinkles with hit a gold mine. Follow the money trail. Acne scar sufferers can only benefit from the Wrinkle Wars and burn scar advancements. The only real advancements in 50 years have come out of people who wanted to look younger. First we had dermabrasion, then around 95 came the Regular CO2 resurfacing and then in 2008 came the fraxtionalized ablative CO2. Lord know how long dermabrasion has been around, but there was a huge timeframe between that and CO2 and only 13 years between CO2 and Re:pair. Progress is being made, but it advances slowly. The Baby Boomers are the salvation because they are demanding a cure for aging and they carry the big stick. Now if we can get the silly government out of the way real progress can be made with stem cells.

I am very interested in how stem cells can effect acne scars.

The asian countries are really taking advantage of stem cells. Even though I dont see stem cells hitting the majority of the US cosmetic industry any time soon. I believe Stem Cells will help many scar sufferers get even closer to that 100% improvment than ever before. I do know there is a guy in California offering stem cells for scarring but his prices are out of reach with most people.

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