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Dermaroller DIY advice!

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Hi,

I am posting today to seek your advice and personal experiences in the use and knowledge of Dermarollers in the treatement of acne scarring. I am very interested in using dermarolling as an effective way of tackling my own acne scarring I acquired many years ago.

Before I continue Ill explain my own background in brief. I had developed moderate to occasionally sever nodulistic acne when I was about 16 years old. I tried many ineffective orally taken antibiotics which left me with no significant results. I took the next leap of faith and consulted a dermatologist. He put me on a course of Roaccutane (Accutane in the States) for around 3-6 months if I recall correctly. This drug worked wonderfully well and stopped my condition in its tracks, although the side effects i experienced were horrible eg. slight hair loss, dry skin, lips eyes etc and my ability to heal naturally was diminished!! I do believe the latter was a contributing factor to my present day scarring...

Moving on from then, Im now 25 and taking positive steps to improve the marks im left with. The most destructive part about it all is the phsycological impact they have had on me.

Dermarolling....

Ive done a fair amount of reading/research/talking to aesthetic nurses, doctors and practice secretaries about all the different treatments...peels, lasers etc etc. Ive sumed it all up and CIT dermarolling seems to stand out in the crowd. The pros seem to outway the cons in alot of ways, when compared to most other alternatives. The main reason has got to be that the skin layers are never "destroyed" via ablative methods ie. Lasers.

Ive consulted a particular aesthetic doctor in London, who has already performed subcision on both of my cheeks. The pain was very unsettling and The was about 1 week ago and the swelling & bruising (only very slight) has subsided completely. The results have not been spectacular, as my scarring might possibly be of too shallow in depth for this type of treatement to have a significant effect! I asked the doctor this question and he stated that there is no limitation in depth for this treatement to have a positive effect. He stated his aim was to "free up" some of the underlying skin tissue prior to commencing a second series of treatments ie. Dermarolling, using the gold standard UK - Genuine Dermaroller.

Im considering performing my own treatment at home using a dermaroller, provided anyone can answer the following for me:

1.) What brand/type/model of dermaroller in the UK would you reccomend I purchase? I have found the Aura Derma on Amazon.co.uk ...see link below...

The feedback seems pretty promising on this product. Have any of you used this or would you be able say whether it would be money well spent if I purchase one on these?

2.) Can you recommend a good numbing cream? Ive heard about EMLA cream...are there any other types out there that could be stronger if need be?

3.) Can you recommend any good post treatment creams, for boosting my skins recovery? copper peptides?

If ive missed anything, please feel free to add anything I need to be aware of!

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and I look forward to your replies with any assortment of advice!

Syrup

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I would say that you should really do it on your own. It's easy, and way chaeper, and safe as long as you follow intructions and take care of your roller. I have to warn you, it does hurt a lot, though it does get more tollerable after you're used to it. As far as using the genuine roller, that's just silly and a way to charge you more. Just make sure its sharp and sterile and mabye don't use one with titanium needles, as the needles are wider than on most rollers. Titanium ones are better for other places of the body, such as for stretch marks on the tummy.

I used a roller for about 3 months and it did work some, but the results were slow and it hurt a lot. Then I switched to a derma stamp and that is what I would have to recommend. I just wrote a lengthy responce on another post that was all about this, so I'll paste the part about stamping and what I use below. Honestly stamping works so, so, so much better than rolling and hurts a lot less. Good luck with whatever you decide!

a little over 2 months ago I switched to a slightly different method and I am so very impressed. I am now using a derma stamp once every 3-4 weeks depending on how aggressive I go. I have done it 3 times now and you would not believe the difference it makes in even just one stamping. It's not a miracle cure but my results are drastic after just three times. I can finally look at myself in the mirror again and I get excited when its time to stamp because I get to see my face start to become smoother after only a week and it seems to keep working for a few weeks after that at a slower rate.

The great thing about the stamp is that it's under $50, which is way cheap if you're comparing it to things like laser procedures. The one I buy is about $35 dollars after shipping. I'd replace it every 3 months or so, but you can tell when their getting dull. The stamp its self is about an inch by and inch with around 100 needles in it. The stamp I use has 1.8mm needles and that's the range I would suggest, 1.8mm or 2.0mm, no smaller no larger. You take the stamp and press it directly into your skin and do that between 10-20 times in each spot. I do my entire face which is a lot of stamping. Just sort of rotate it a little in each spot so you're hitting all areas under the stamp. When your done just rinse all the blood off your face with lukewarm water and pat dry, don't rub. It sounds kind of scary but it actually hurts a lot less than rolling, but it does still hurt and it bleeds a lot more. You can get by without numbing but it's very comfortable if you numb. It's best if you have a long weekend. If you did it Thursday night you would be normal by Monday. If that's not an option you could still do it Friday night you just might be a little red on Monday. If you're a woman makeup you could easily cover the redness with makeup, but don't use makeup before that. Don't put anything on you skin for the first 2 days unless it's like vitamin c or neosporin if you need moisture and use a really mild soap to wash your face, if not just water. Don't use lotion. After 2 or 3 days I go back to my normal skin routine but listen to your skin and be gentle. That's all there is to it, and of all the things I have tried (and I have tried a lot) it really works, and its cheap, and you can do it yourself very easily. You just have to be patient, but I promise you'll see results.

I don't know if you have any other side effects from your laser treatment besides it not working, but I have also done some other things to address the other damage the lasers have caused be my skin.

In addition to my stamping I have done a couple 15% tca peels to try and improve the size of my pores and texture of my skin. I'm not too big of a fan of tca peels because they make you feel pretty gross and there's about a week down time, but I need to do something to improve the smaller details of my skin and it seems to be working but its still pretty early. Be careful with tca though. People go way too strong, way too quick and damage their skin. If you're going to do peels start at 12% and work your way up and never go above 25%. Higher stuff is meant to be diluted or used for spot treatment (tca cross method). Absolutely don't pick, rub, or help it fall off in any way. There is a good chance you'll scar yourself or mess up the texture of your skin. If can't not pick, don't use tca.

I also had one IPL treatment done to help with the hyper pigmentation. It actually did a lot for that issue but I am hesitant to do more because it's still a laser and I really don't trust them, too many report of being burned, and fat loss. So, I am going to do as much as I can with the stamps and tca first and then see if I need more IPLs or pulsed dyed laser (IPL for brownish areas, PDL for permanent red splotches under the skin, and I'm not talking red spots from pimples, but permanent redness under your skin from laser damage, you know it if you have it and it never fades)

I also use a smaller stamp in conjunction with my other one. It's good if you just want to treat a couple scars, but I use it in hard to reach places like where my nose meets my face and between my eyes. Sometime I stamp the really bad scars a couple extra times with my little stamp as the needles are closer together on that one and break the skin up really well.

If you want to know the specific products I use they are as follows:

1.8mm scorpion derma stamp - It has the most needles that I have found on a stamp and the needles are thinner so they don't create as wide of punctures but still go as deep. Just search on google and you'll find them on ebay or amazon. It's gray in color.

Small derma stamp - don't know brand, but if you search derma stamps on ebay you'll find it. It's the only one that looks like it does. It's a clear-ish yellow plastic and has a rounded head. The seller I buy that from on ebay is JGlobalSales.

I buy my numbing solution from www.dr-roller.eu/ but make sure you get insured shipping. Its $5 more but it comes from some place in Asia and one time it never showed up and if I hadn't had it insured they weren't going to send more because the package wouldn't have been tracked. So, I buy a couple at a time to offset the extra shipping. I would say buy something else but this works well and it works pretty much instantly. Most all the stuff they sell here in the US are creams and you have to let them sit for 30 mins for it to work. Also, its expensive. If you're going to use the stuff I do, you will, however, need a roller. The needle length should be short (.25mm-.5mm) but any brand will do. Just get the cheapest one. You just need to roll it over your face once or twice and you don't need to push so it won't hurt. All you're doing is just barley breaking the skin so the solution is absorbed, as it is a liquid, and not a cream like most.

I buy my tca from makeup artist's choice and they also sell a green tea soap which is the mildest I have found. The soap works great for both peeling and for when you have stamped. Don't get too impressed with their pictures. They have some very exaggerated results that are far from likely.

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I'd be interested to keep an eye on this thread as you seem to be in the same position as me with regards to a lot of things: age, history etc (although I'll admit you've been more pro-active than I have). I'm not sure about you but I've found a lot of thread here are more geared towards to members in the states, what to buy, where from etc which doesn't apply over here in the UK.

*That's not a 'dig' at this forum by any means! just stating what I'd noticed thus far*

Hinbe25, thanks for the useful info too, although having just ordered a 1.5mm roller I'm a little disappointed to hear that stamps can be better, hmmm.

Can you give any advice on which brand of copper peptides to use? and/or where to buy them from?

What's your opinion on using Bio Oil after stamping/rolling? I've used it plenty of times before and my skin is fine with it.

One last thing, how is it best to steralise the roller/stam after use?

Thanks

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I'd be interested to keep an eye on this thread as you seem to be in the same position as me with regards to a lot of things: age, history etc (although I'll admit you've been more pro-active than I have). I'm not sure about you but I've found a lot of thread here are more geared towards to members in the states, what to buy, where from etc which doesn't apply over here in the UK.

*That's not a 'dig' at this forum by any means! just stating what I'd noticed thus far*

Hinbe25, thanks for the useful info too, although having just ordered a 1.5mm roller I'm a little disappointed to hear that stamps can be better, hmmm.

Can you give any advice on which brand of copper peptides to use? and/or where to buy them from?

What's your opinion on using Bio Oil after stamping/rolling? I've used it plenty of times before and my skin is fine with it.

One last thing, how is it best to steralise the roller/stam after use?

Thanks

I read a lot about what, if any, topicals (vitamin a, e, copper peptides, ect.) to use after rolling/stamping and I found mixed advice. Some doctors and sites said that what you put on after was practically as important as the rolling , but other said not to put anything on your skin because its being absorded directly into the blood stream at very concentrated levels and is bad for your body and stresses your skin. They also said it really doesn't help that much and its more important to focus on what your putting into your body during these times, than on your skin, ie. eating right, lots of water, and oral vitamins.

I am not sure wich is best, but I when the route of no topicals just because my skin is sooo sensitve and any kind of oil is really out of the question for me. I have a lot of skin allergies and most of the product I'm not allergic to still seem to cause me acne. So, trying out new topicals on my face isn't very atractive to me. BP is the only thing that works to control my acne, but fortunatley my skin has gotten better so I can go off BP for a few days while I do my stamping or peeling without my skin freaking out. However, if I stay off more than a week my skin starts acting up again.

Sorry I can't help more with that question, but just stamping and keeping my face clean after has really given me some wonderful results after 3 stampings. The first time is a learning experience, so your results might not be as great, but after you get the hang of it, its a exciting process. I have tried so many things on my scars and this has been the only method that noticeably works. I have even had Co2 resurfacing and fraxel restore and they only damaged my skin (hypo & hyper pigmentaion, fat and elasticity loss, destroyed the texture of my skin in all the areas that didn't have scars) and caused some more scars. Lasers are awful. Derma stamps really work.

As for sterilization, I just soak my stamp/roller in the highest percent rubbing alcohol I can find (70-90%) for 5 min and let it dry for about 10 min before I use it. Then when I am done I rinse it with really hot water to get all the blood off and then soak it in alcohol again. Let it air dry COMPLETELY in a place where its not going to get knocked off and damaged. I always stamp at night, so I just let mine dry overnight and then return it to its case in the morning. I also wipe down all suface that I am using with alcohol as well.

I know you're in the UK, but all the stuff I use I buy online, and I am pretty sure you could have them shipped to the UK. I know for certain a couple of the people I buy from ship to Europe and the UK.

And if you go the way of rolling you're going to need to use pressure, its going to bleed, and its going to hurt. I'm not trying to discorage you, I have just seen so many sites and people claiming that it shouldn't bleed, not to use pressure and it shouldn't hurt. That's crap! If you want it to work you need to break up the scar tissue and cause the skin to reheal and you can't do that without pressure, some blood, and pain. Sorry, but some of us have real scars that we're trying to fix and not just buying the newest gadget to give ourselves a little self-estem boost.

That said, with rollers use some pressure but don't get too carried away and stay close to the suggested passes. More can cause break-outs, longer healing, and, worst case, tiny little holes, like enlarged pores (but this is only going to happen if you go crazy on your skin).

I still suggest stamps over rolling. I really think they are easier your skin because they go straight in and out, and not at an angle angle, they work much better and hurt less, but good luck with whatever you decide!

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Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it :)

I've ordered a roller which I'll try first but it's no great shakes to get a stamp too, I totally understand what you're saying about the angle the needles go in/out at, obvious when you think about it.

No pain no gain, so that's not a problem.

The next little thing I'd love someone to confirm is about copper peptides, I'll try searching again but there is a lot of conflicting info.

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I'd be interested to keep an eye on this thread as you seem to be in the same position as me with regards to a lot of things: age, history etc (although I'll admit you've been more pro-active than I have). I'm not sure about you but I've found a lot of thread here are more geared towards to members in the states, what to buy, where from etc which doesn't apply over here in the UK.

*That's not a 'dig' at this forum by any means! just stating what I'd noticed thus far*

Hinbe25, thanks for the useful info too, although having just ordered a 1.5mm roller I'm a little disappointed to hear that stamps can be better, hmmm.

Can you give any advice on which brand of copper peptides to use? and/or where to buy them from?

What's your opinion on using Bio Oil after stamping/rolling? I've used it plenty of times before and my skin is fine with it.

One last thing, how is it best to steralise the roller/stam after use?

Thanks

I read a lot about what, if any, topicals (vitamin a, e, copper peptides, ect.) to use after rolling/stamping and I found mixed advice. Some doctors and sites said that what you put on after was practically as important as the rolling , but other said not to put anything on your skin because its being absorded directly into the blood stream at very concentrated levels and is bad for your body and stresses your skin. They also said it really doesn't help that much and its more important to focus on what your putting into your body during these times, than on your skin, ie. eating right, lots of water, and oral vitamins.

I am not sure wich is best, but I when the route of no topicals just because my skin is sooo sensitve and any kind of oil is really out of the question for me. I have a lot of skin allergies and most of the product I'm not allergic to still seem to cause me acne. So, trying out new topicals on my face isn't very atractive to me. BP is the only thing that works to control my acne, but fortunatley my skin has gotten better so I can go off BP for a few days while I do my stamping or peeling without my skin freaking out. However, if I stay off more than a week my skin starts acting up again.

Sorry I can't help more with that question, but just stamping and keeping my face clean after has really given me some wonderful results after 3 stampings. The first time is a learning experience, so your results might not be as great, but after you get the hang of it, its a exciting process. I have tried so many things on my scars and this has been the only method that noticeably works. I have even had Co2 resurfacing and fraxel restore and they only damaged my skin (hypo & hyper pigmentaion, fat and elasticity loss, destroyed the texture of my skin in all the areas that didn't have scars) and caused some more scars. Lasers are awful. Derma stamps really work.

As for sterilization, I just soak my stamp/roller in the highest percent rubbing alcohol I can find (70-90%) for 5 min and let it dry for about 10 min before I use it. Then when I am done I rinse it with really hot water to get all the blood off and then soak it in alcohol again. Let it air dry COMPLETELY in a place where its not going to get knocked off and damaged. I always stamp at night, so I just let mine dry overnight and then return it to its case in the morning. I also wipe down all suface that I am using with alcohol as well.

I know you're in the UK, but all the stuff I use I buy online, and I am pretty sure you could have them shipped to the UK. I know for certain a couple of the people I buy from ship to Europe and the UK.

And if you go the way of rolling you're going to need to use pressure, its going to bleed, and its going to hurt. I'm not trying to discorage you, I have just seen so many sites and people claiming that it shouldn't bleed, not to use pressure and it shouldn't hurt. That's crap! If you want it to work you need to break up the scar tissue and cause the skin to reheal and you can't do that without pressure, some blood, and pain. Sorry, but some of us have real scars that we're trying to fix and not just buying the newest gadget to give ourselves a little self-estem boost.

That said, with rollers use some pressure but don't get too carried away and stay close to the suggested passes. More can cause break-outs, longer healing, and, worst case, tiny little holes, like enlarged pores (but this is only going to happen if you go crazy on your skin).

I still suggest stamps over rolling. I really think they are easier your skin because they go straight in and out, and not at an angle angle, they work much better and hurt less, but good luck with whatever you decide!

Hinbe25 thank you for taking the time in making such a great response.

I have recently ordered both the 1.5mm roller & the stamp to gain the best of both. This is what i have ordered (currency in GBP sterling)

1 x 5 special single needles for intensive scar & wrinkle treatment = �5.733 x Copper peptide facial mask = �5.731 x Vitamin C (20 g / 0.7 oz) = �1.911 x Vitamin C serum bottle = �4.451 x Infadolan (vit. A & D ointment), 30 g tube = �5.731 x 1.5 mm dermastamp = �10.821 x 1.5 mm dermaroller = �22.27

I appreciate your honesty in the advice you have given. I was considering the Co2 laser route myself, but I am so glad my mind has changed.

I wish you the very best with your own treatments and I can only hope I can share the same success story as you have.

Best regards

Syrup

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Hello. I just used my 1.5 mm dermaroller for the first time on Satuday morning (today is Tuesday) and I'm noticing the area on my forehead and in between my eyes is bumpy and has a rough texture. It's not an infection or an allergic reaction or anything but just a bumpy texture. Is this normal? I've been goggling it for days and haven't read much about rough skin texture the days following rolling. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I'm already insecure about my skin texture and I hope I didn't make it worse. Thanks so much.

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Hi,
Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase quality dermarollers? The last one I purchased was from ebay and did not seem to be made well.
Thanks.

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