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13 hours ago, Calcified said:

Do they have a fix for resistance to vitamin A? 

Not saying that's what's happening, just my thoughts at this point in time. 

That’s a loaded question 

I can ask but it would come down to blockages in the body and uncovering them which is what I already do.

I’ll ask some more questions this week 

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On 4/13/2019 at 1:49 AM, TrueJustice said:

Can you elaborate on why you don’t like it please?

Sure you don’t have to agree with all of it. The anti Vit A advocates obviously wouldn’t agree with it as it’s full of eating Vit A in what’s listed - doesn’t make it dumb though just because of that.

The point about too many people playing the Doctor I think is bang on - if you take nothing else from the post I think at least take this away. Way too many people self diagnosing over the years ( myself included ) which is understandable. Working with people who know a thing or two I believe is the way forward depending on the path you wish to take 

For me that’s a Kinesiologist, for this person it was via a Nutritionist 

I'm not talking about the vitamin A - we've all tried supplementing Vitamin A, myself included. 

 

I'm talking about him talking about wasting money on supplements and people playing doctor - right after he posts a protocol taking about 30 different supplements. Utterly ridiculous post. 

 

Extremely contradictory and there's no way the stuff he has posted is good for his health long term. 

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On 4/14/2019 at 3:08 PM, TrueJustice said:

That’s a loaded question 

I can ask but it would come down to blockages in the body and uncovering them which is what I already do.

I’ll ask some more questions this week 

 

I got latest liver tests today, and function has improved and ive probably had a total of 4-5million iu palmitate, so my thoughts are more in line with not overloaded with A. 

I do realise this is not favourable to the anti A theory but everyone is different, all our dosages were different, different genes etc.

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4 hours ago, Justdry said:

I'm not talking about the vitamin A - we've all tried supplementing Vitamin A, myself included. 

 

I'm talking about him talking about wasting money on supplements and people playing doctor - right after he posts a protocol taking about 30 different supplements. Utterly ridiculous post. 

 

Extremely contradictory and there's no way the stuff he has posted is good for his health long term. 

Nothing contradictory. Those supplements and diet are part of a program elaborated by a doctor and recommended by a nutritionist who has already dealt with several accutane cases. You can find something on the internet about nutritional balancing (including facebook) and accutane. Absolutely no self-prescribed and much cheaper than spending money alone in the end. 

Anyway, as said I ve only posted here because Im benefitting from the program and wanted to share my experience as everybody is doing so far. 

Bye. Peace and love. 

F

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17 hours ago, Flondon said:

Nothing contradictory. Those supplements and diet are part of a program elaborated by a doctor and recommended by a nutritionist who has already dealt with several accutane cases. You can find something on the internet about nutritional balancing (including facebook) and accutane. Absolutely no self-prescribed and much cheaper than spending money alone in the end. 

Anyway, as said I ve only posted here because Im benefitting from the program and wanted to share my experience as everybody is doing so far. 

Bye. Peace and love. 

F

There have been doctors in the past treating post accutane patients with more toxic doses of Vitamin A, causing even more damage. 

Just because they are a doctor doesn't mean they understand this shit - it's not understood by anyone, even the manufacturers of the damn thing! 

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1 hour ago, Justdry said:

There have been doctors in the past treating post accutane patients with more toxic doses of Vitamin A, causing even more damage. 

Just because they are a doctor doesn't mean they understand this shit - it's not understood by anyone, even the manufacturers of the damn thing! 

And so? What's wrong in sharing my result? And why should I be assailed with offensive responses? 

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20 hours ago, Flondon said:

And so? What's wrong in sharing my result? And why should I be assailed with offensive responses? 

Do whatever you want - might want to add some testosterone into your protocol though, really sounds like you need it soft lad. 

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On 12/11/2018 at 4:03 PM, macleod said:

Vitamin A is a vital part of human embryo development as well as youth/adult regulation and homeostasis. To focus on Accutane's affect on a specific subsystem as if it is going to point you in a clear direction is dubious at best. Treatment is "controlled" retinoid toxicity. Toxicity can affect anyone and everyone differently. One persons vision may be affected, another's joint's, or endocrine system, or digestive system.  Isotretinoin has genetic transcription factors (this is the most dangerous part) which is why some side effects remain seemingly permanent. Some side effects may take weeks, months, or years to show up. Think about that one. The drug doesn't even have to be active in your blood.

My most debilitating symptoms are anhedonia, insomnia, day-night reversal, vision/hearing. I suffered a transient ischemic attack at the age of 20 (3 weeks after cessation of the drug). So, my nervous system was a bit affected.  I have night blindness post Accutane. I have Visual Snow post accutane. Visual snow is a group of 5-6 symptoms affecting vision/hearing. 

My priority is Neurology at the moment. Especially the nervous system.  As well as the hormones/chemicals of the brain.  Other areas of my body, along with my joints, were impacted only slightly.  My organs are managing fine with a proper diet, exercise, and supplementation.

 

My advice to any practicing physician would be to wait until the person is at the very least 17-18 years of age. Try lower doses primarily. And last of all to make sure they are not taking any other medications while taking Accutane.  The patient must be told this to avoid complications.  The patient must also be told that illicit drugs (marijuana, alcohol, adderall) will also complicate things and further increase toxicity to parts of the brain/body/nervous system.
 

You want to do blood tests beforehand to make sure they are not deficient in any vitamins/minerals. You also want to monitor vitamins/minerals during treatment and consider supplementation with E or D as they go hand in hand with A.

 

Absolutely asinine that doctors prescribe Isotretinoin at super high doses without doing any of these steps. The guy that gave it to me was in his 70's, so I can't even blame him, probably already in a retirement home.  It doesn't matter what profession you are in, as humans, some are going to be incompetent, most decent, and a few gifted and innovative.

Well said Macleod - are you up for campaigning?

We want to get the government to take action, get prescriptions down and get research started to find a cure.  

A few people asking for this won't cut it. We need all victims to make a stand!

We don't need to protest or march or anything, We just need to make sure we are heard by joining forces and getting behind the initiatives that are being set up.

Please get involved. 

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On 4/16/2019 at 5:42 AM, Justdry said:

There have been doctors in the past treating post accutane patients with more toxic doses of Vitamin A, causing even more damage. 

Just because they are a doctor doesn't mean they understand this shit - it's not understood by anyone, even the manufacturers of the damn thing! 

Let's not forget that none of us have a comprehensive understanding of the damage this drug does either.

Yet some  people are suddenly espousing this "zero vitamin A" diet as if it is gospel. This sounds like the typical pseudo-science that is more likely to harm than heal.

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I have started this diet (nutritional balancing) which is not based on symptoms but it just aims at restablishing chemical balance in your body through detoxification / integration.  

Everything started by watching this post and then I kept investigating across the web until I decided to give it a chance since I received positive feedback by people who started the program because of accutane and managed to heal. It's not an overnight cure of course and takes time. 

My understanding is that our symptoms are mainly linked to our nowadays diet including a number of drugs like accutane. 

Chemical imbalance symptoms are the same as the ones we re experiencing. When I filled out the form for my hair analysis test I had to tick which symptoms I fell and they were all already in the list. The list actually included even further ones which did not regard me. 

I think that we should make our point of view wider. 

If you read some studies carried out by ncbi you ll notice that a lot of drugs (antidepressant, iboprufene, accutane etc.) affect the body in same way compromising methylation, liver, kidney, brain functioning etc. 

Well, accutane is a bit weirder as - compared to antidepressants - this drug is provided to teenagers with no issues at all but acne. 

Luckily everything can be fixed, but my reading is that the body must be fed again in the correct way otherwise it might never recover its balance. 

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Flondon - aside from the nutritional balancing surely you had to have some physical work done too?

Part of my kinesiology work involves unblocking and massaging ( can be painful ) organs. Recently my pancreas wasn’t functioning properly in relation to my Zinc supplementing - after some adjusting it’s now being absorbed correctly 

So my point is, as much as I need Zinc and B6 and Vit D and so on & so on - if I don’t do the physical work too my body won’t absorb these things correctly and thus it’s pointless taking them in this fashion 

Did your balancing involve any physical work as such??

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1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:

Flondon - aside from the nutritional balancing surely you had to have some physical work done too?

Part of my kinesiology work involves unblocking and massaging ( can be painful ) organs. Recently my pancreas wasn’t functioning properly in relation to my Zinc supplementing - after some adjusting it’s now being absorbed correctly 

So my point is, as much as I need Zinc and B6 and Vit D and so on & so on - if I don’t do the physical work too my body won’t absorb these things correctly and thus it’s pointless taking them in this fashion 

Did your balancing involve any physical work as such??

Yes, it does: spinal twist, pull neck and reflexology (pressing some points which are connected to our organs).

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4 hours ago, Flondon said:

Luckily everything can be fixed, but my reading is that the body must be fed again in the correct way otherwise it might never recover its balance. 

Hair mineral analysis can be very helpful, balancing Zinc is important for retinol binding protein(RBP)

Doing this with a zero vitamin A diet will speed up the healing.  Vitamin A - Accutane is fat soluble, it won't come out of storage in liver and tissues until it stops coming in.

Takes about 1-2yrs to deplete vitamin A down to baseline with zero coming in.

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THIS IS A LONG POST DIRECTED TO UNDER_TOW ABOUT THE THEORIES OF GRANT GENEREUX. IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC, JUST SKIP THE POST.

@under_tow

You think that people who follow a “heavy regular western diet” accumulates VA and this causes Accutane-like symptoms, only that with less intensity. And this is not true! If this was true, everybody would have shrunk sebaceous glands, or dry eyes. Not only human beings, but also a lot of animals.

Genereux thinks that even if they belong to the same family, RA is more dangerous for health than Vitamin A. So he thinks the problem is when VA is converted to RA by the body itself. Thus, basically, he thinks that the body has a self-destructive physiology, because it makes a conversion (from beta-carotenes to retinol, and then to RA) that is noxious for keeping a good health. And this conversion is made from molecules that are found everywhere in nature, and are ingested massively by human beings and also by most animal species. And intelligent, non-destructive physiology would eliminate this “toxins”, or at least it wouldn’t create a dangerous form of this toxin by itself. So here Genereux contradicts himself when he said somewhere that “Evolution does lead to perfect organisms”.

Genereux thinks (or thought) that if Accutane effects persists after the last pill, it is because isotretinoin is still collected “in the skin lipids” (in the same way that RA produced by the body is, according to him). This is his first assumption. And he can’t prove this, and he is not even interested in doing so (“I'm not too interested in more studies, and lab tests. I'm more interested in people taking on this diet and just reporting their own real-world results. After all, that's what matters the most.”, he wrote to me).

What are these “skin lipids”? I asked him and he said “It's fats in and under your skin”. And here are some other words of my correspondence with him (it is edited as a dialogue, to follow the line of a topic, because we wrote e-mails with different topics, it was not a messenger chat)

ME: Maybe it is possible to take a small sample without hurting people. To analyze the skin lipids of Accutane people (during and after the treatment) and to compare the results with non-Accutane people.

GG: But, it's already known and completely proven to be true that accutane collects in the skin lipids. That why it "works".

ME: Where is it completely proven to be true? Are you talking about sebum or about skin lipids that are more fixed in the structure of the skin (what you called “fats in and under your skin”)?

GG: What I meant by this statement that it's completely proven is that Accutane generally "works" in reducing the sebum on the skin. This is because the accutane has collected in the sebaceous glands (the oil producing fat glands). This is the documented functional mechanism of the drug.

AGAIN GG: Well, it is well documented that vitamin A does accumulate in the fats of human skin. There's no debate about that. As for retinoic acid, that's another question, and a harder one to get existing data on.

ME: So, you don’t know where RA is stored, but you say it is completely proven where isotretinoin is collected?

GG: Yes, it is documented to collect in the liver, in the liver bile, and obviously the skin too.

But, once there, the accutane slowly destroys the stem cells in the sebaceous glands. Thus, it's completely proven that accutane collects in the skin.

ME: Well, sure, but that happens during the intake. And also isotretinoin works on other parts of the body, and thus the multiple “side effects”.

But we were talking about the long-term effects, and two possible broad theories. One is that Accutane works during the intake and then disappears, leaving the results of its action (the sebaceous glands, for example, apparently, are atrophied). And the other is that isotretinoin IS STILL IN the body, specifically “in the skin lipids”, according to you.

I said that to confirm or discard the latter theory, we should analyse those skin lipids, to see if there is isotretinoin in them. And then you said that it is completely proven that Accutane collects in the skin lipids. And no, in the long-term, it is not proven, as far as I know, and you don’t know either, apparently. So, that is why my proposed analysis seems like a good idea to understand the long-term effects of Accutane.

There was a misunderstanding, but I hope it is clear now.

GG: Okay, I understand now. Sorry, yes, there was some confusion on my part. That is indeed a very good, and an extremely good, question to ask, now that I understand it better.

 

In others words, Genereux thinks/thought that “isotretinoin” could be for years in the body. And you can help its elimination if you stop eating VA for a while, so as to stop the conversion to RA which is summed up to the “isotretinoin” (or whatever it was converted into) in “the skin lipids”, and as a consequence allowing the stock of VA family to go away, and be healthy again. That is why he recommends Accutane victims following his diet, isn’t it? Because if the reduction of sebaceous glands and everything Accutane does during the intake is permanent, why to bother doing a diet which is strange, difficult, and probably not healthy in the long-term?

So when I said that Genereux thinks Accutane could stay in the skin lipids “permanently”, in fact I meant “permanently” unless you do a Zero-VA diet for some time. This is the first assumption, but there is a second assumption going on here. He is assuming that isotretinoin/RA stays in the body not according to a limited life which is characteristic of the molecule. Instead, the system of accumulation works as a tank where individual doses (every time the body converts VA to RA, which goes to the skin lipids) don’t have a limited life. And unless you stop every intake of RA, the old RA (taking months or years ago) is going to be there, because these intakes, even if they are small, are continuously charging the tank, not allowing the accumulation to flow and the tank to be depleted. And this is because the accumulated RA is eliminated very slowly, so even if the incoming RA is very small, the tank will never be depleted.

I don’t know about the mechanism of accumulation of VA and RA and isotretinoin. What I know is that people who follow the Zero-VA diet are accepting these things: 1- “isotretinoin” (or whatever it was converted into) is still collected in the skin lipids; 2- “isotretinoin” doesn’t have a limited life, and it is now part of the content of “The Tank”, which should be depleted to achieve health again; 3- the body has a self-destructive physiology which produces a poison from molecules found in natural foods.

Apparently, RA, even the “natural” one (not isotretinoin), is documented to have a very short life. So I think that Genereux, as Accutane makes some long-term/permanent effects, assumed that this was because the drug was in the body somehow, without thinking in the possibility that those effects could be caused by structural changes made during the intake of huge, intoxicating amounts of isotretinoin accumulated on purpose by the “treatment”. This is clear in the next fragment where poster ACCUiTy_drANE asked a question and Genereux answered by e-mail.

ACCUiTy_drANE : Can you please provide a source that retinoic acid specifically can be stored in the liver for long periods of time? Accutane is a metabolite of Retinol (vitamin A) known as 13-cis-retinoic acid. The body cannot convert retinoic acid back to retinal or retinol. The half-lives of retinoic acid and their associated metabolites are under 30 hours (Wiegland, 1998).

GENEREUX: Yes, I am aware that the reported half-life for RA is documented to be very short. However, I'm not buying that information. Firstly, the Accutane victims that have contacted me typically report that they are still experiencing the "side-effects" after more than 10 years later. So, on one hand, there's no question the drug causes long term damage, but the body should have been able to recover from that damage after 10 years. Therefore,it more likely that the half-life is much longer than reported. Secondly, the 30 hours claim is complete nonsense because the treatment of Accutane is often for 6 months or more. Over that time, the Accutane accumulates in the lipids that the body continuously moves out into the sebaceous glands of the skin. This is functional mechanism of the drug, and it typically takes about 6 or more months for the drug to "work". It works by toxifying the lipids to such an extent that the RA then poisons the bacteria living in those lipids. So, since this process has been drudging and accumulation process has repeated millions of times over now, clearly accutane persists in this lipids for at least 6 months, or more.  Thus, someone is lying about the 30 hours. Of course, the RA is not just poisoning the bacteria living on the skin, it is also poisoning the all-important stem cells too.

 I don't think I had specifically stated that RA can be stored in the liver for a long period of time. But, it definitely persists in the skin lipids for long periods of time. That fact has been completely proven. Lastly, there's been so much fraud and corruption surrounding the justification for Accutane, it would not surprise me at all to learn the 30 hour half-life determination was made by the marketing department. But, since we know that RA accumulates in the skin lipids for six months or more, why would we believe its not going to accumulate in other body lipids too?

Well, first, even if the half-life is 30 hours, we should ask ourselves: what is the life of the other half?

Look at the two sentences I highlighted in the first paragraph of the answer by Genereux. I think he is right in saying that isotretinoin stays longer than 30 hours, because otherwise you probably wouldn’t achieve the accumulative effect looked for by doctors. In fact, some doctors say that the drug could stay in the body between 6 and 12 months after the last pill, and for this reason they wait for at least a year to do a second course of the drug, just in case. But other doctors say that one or two months between courses is enough. I don’t know how much time the drug is working subtlety in the body, although I know that a few days after the last pill I recovered sebum (my new, very reduced level of sebum), my lips returned to “normal”, and I stopped feeling tired because of the drug running in my blood.  But my point is that Genereux assumes that if someone has long-term effects related to the drug, it is because of the continuous physical presence of the drug itself. Again, I think he could prove this in a lab if he wanted to.   

In conclusion, as he thought that Accutane continues working in the body “for at least 6 months or more”, then he concluded that natural RA created by the body, whose quantities are insignificant compared to an Accutane treatment, can stay in the body for the same amount of time. And that is why VA finally is a dangerous poison which accumulates in the body, which potentially could be converted into RA by the body itself and make any kind of atrocities (but for some reason it doesn’t shrink the sebaceous glands, the main job of Accutane).

And if you like contradictions, look at this. Not only Vitamin A from foods doesn’t shrink sebaceous glands as Accutane does, but also Vitamin A is responsible for acne itself and also seborrhea.

“Quite ironically, I am now totally convinced that acne is the result of the over-accumulation of VA in the sebaceous glands in the first place. This over-accumulation causes them to swell up and expand, and that opens the skin pores to the allow bacteria to more easily enter. It also provides the non-stop transport of lipids that fuels the growth of that bacteria.”

Totally convinced!! So we must add acne to the list of pathologies provoked by this molecule. And seborrhea (which could be consider natural, non-pathologic, you know, there are people with more oily skin than other; and what causes more eventual transport of sebum to the surface is not VA, but nervousness, and also heat, a mechanism similar to sweating; and acne infections don’t appear necessarily in the areas with more sebum production, not at all)

But seemingly Genereux likes to talk vehemently about things of which he is clueless. Obviously he is obsessed about this molecule, which for him is the source of every malady on Planet Earth.

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@under_tow

TWO MORE ASSUMPTIONS MADE BY GRANT GENEREUX

 

Third assumption:

- Lard and casein contain retinoic acid. It is not impossible, but he knows this “by thinking and reasoning”, not by analyzing those things.

Remember that Genereux thinks that, in the Vitamin A deficiency experiments with rats, the animals worsened their health and then died because of the supposed content of RA in lard and casein.

ME: Have you confirmed that lard has indeed RA?

GG: I have not confirmed that. I don't have a lab. I'm just one guy. I have to rely on thinking and reasoning.

ME: As a reader, I would like to see a confirmation, something that could be achieved just by analyzing lard in a lab. And the same goes to RA in casein: “Therefore, in their zeal for sterilizing the casein, they converted its included vitamin-A into its most toxic form.” Is this confirmed in the lab?

GG: Me too, maybe someone can confirm this. That would be great.

 

Fourth assumption:

- Grant Genereux’s diet does not contain RA.

ME: Where do you see if a food has Vitamin A, just surfing the Web?

GG: Yes, just enter vitamin A in food X in a google search

ME: Are there foods with retinoic acid? How do you know if certain food has RA if the people who analyze it and list its nutritional facts don’t look for RA?

GG: I've not found a listing of retinoic acid levels in foods.

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ME: But if I cook a carrot, for example, is the VA transform into RA, by means of “heating and aeration”?

GG: I think it could be. But, I don't have lab tests to back that up yet. Tomatoes would be risky too.

 ME: You eat applesauce, aren’t you eating RA?

GG: I don't think so. The apple sauce is very low in VA and therefore I doubt that it has retinoic acid (RA). Also, I only very occasionally eat apple sauce.

 

So, he doesn’t know for sure if applesauce has RA, but he is not worried because it contains only a small amount of VA.

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On 3/31/2019 at 6:10 AM, Calcified said:

Akos - do you suspect anti A diet could potentially increase vitamin A absorption somehow?  

Like it did with one women under_tow mentioned.

@Calcified No, I don’t. Do you?

What is this woman you mention?

In principle, I don’t have any reason to believe that eating VA, or avoiding VA, could have any special effect on anything caused by Accutane, or allegedly caused by it.

Even if the drug leaves some sort of toxin or “dirt” in the cells of certain tissues, there is no reason to suppose beta-carotene or retinol contained in foods will follow the same path and convert into this same “dirt”, which will follow the logic of a “tank” (as described in my previous post). So, if this is the case, taking VA or not is irrelevant. In fact, taking any kind of food, supplement or drug would be irrelevant.

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In my opinion, there are some people who follow “sophisticated” diets or treatments which only work as a placebo for their nervous/psychological problems.

Normal amounts of VA doesn’t cause anxiety. And avoiding VA doesn’t eliminate anxiety.

Following a low-VA diet doesn’t increase libido, or make people more self-confident.

Etc.

Genereux himself could have reduced or resolved his problems for reason different from avoiding VA.

It could be because of something else he stopped eating. Dairies, gluten, sugar or whatever. For example, there are anti-dairies people who affirm dairies can provoke any kind of health problems, and not because of VA.

I think eczema is usually considered allergic, so it should disappear when you stop eating the allergen.

Eliminating sugar could have been good for his kidneys, and also for losing weight.

Etc.

And Genereux’s problems could have also been psychosomatic. If you have time, surely you can find thousands of articles and books talking about kidney issues and skin issues (including eczema) originally caused or at least sustained by nervous/psychological reasons.

It could be a combination of both things, summed up to the passing of time (the longer the “treatment”, the easier to be considered a placebo).

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About the placebo effect, I recently saw these talks by this woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTDYtwqKBI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcQnSW1wpGA

And surely you can find other sources of information about this topic.

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18 hours ago, under_tow said:

Hair mineral analysis can be very helpful, balancing Zinc is important for retinol binding protein(RBP)

Doing this with a zero vitamin A diet will speed up the healing.  Vitamin A - Accutane is fat soluble, it won't come out of storage in liver and tissues until it stops coming in.

Takes about 1-2yrs to deplete vitamin A down to baseline with zero coming in.

How do you actually know when you’ve reached that baseline? What’s the sign?

Also, I never hear those on the Anti A talk about any physical work that needs to be done. As mentioned in some of my posts - kinesiologist has found organs not working at optimal levels which means supplements aren’t doing all they could when taken ( Zinc ) thus they do adjustments etc to unblock things

I don’t really know how these blockages came about other than to think all that inflammation prob screwed things up - this we can all relate to after Accutane yet I hear nothing from the Anti A people about unblocking these things - they just talk about avoiding Vit A

As if avoiding A is all you have to do, all seems a bit too basic in theory to me.

Some talk of working with a practitioner and the physical work involved would make it sound more plausible 

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I don't take any supplements at all, I'm almost 6 months in to anti vitamin A and my skin is doing the best it's done in years. Skin cell turnover rate seems to be normalising without the added vitamin A to speed it up to accutane type levels. 

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I need to supplement and need physical work done post Accutane to properly recover - Kinesiology 

No amount of just avoiding Vit A will fix things like HPA dysfunction and chronic inflammation. I tried for years just supplementing and avoiding certain foods - didn’t work unfortunately.

I’d be very surprised if other victims don’t have the same or similar issues to combat as me.

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49 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:

I need to supplement and need physical work done post Accutane to properly recover - Kinesiology 

No amount of just avoiding Vit A will fix things like HPA dysfunction and chronic inflammation. I tried for years just supplementing and avoiding certain foods - didn’t work unfortunately.

I’d be very surprised if other victims don’t have the same or similar issues to combat as me.

Just the skin for me really. Don't have the other issues you mentioned. Seems accutane attacked my skin but everything else recovered. 

Painful heels have gone since avoiding vitamin A too though. That was another lasting symptom. 

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-Just a few takes on what I have experienced so far going both anti-dairy (6 weeks) and vitamin a (3 weeks) since some people on here appear to be throwing a hissy-fit over diet changes.

-Dairy should be a must stop no matter what. Yeah, I’m sure that plenty of the diets people are taking aren’t really doing that much of anything (however I have heard that It seems like there is some kind of improvement when people are on diets that are restrictive in general), however, almost every diet I have heard people describe as effective involves cutting out dairy. For me, I have noticed a difference, because I feel less irritable now than i have in a long time. Obviously I’m not naïve enough to believe that cutting out dairy will solve all of your problems, but perhaps it can at the very least, lessen the slope of whatever downward trajectory we all seem to be on. I think for me it’s safe to say that I’m not 100% on the road to recovery at the moment, but I can’t say I’ve worsened significantly either (I’m not declining at my normal rate where I feel worse every month which I will happily take).

 

Also, I’ve noticed that I have been having a surge in testosterone at certain times (I’ve began to hit the gym regularly again because of it). However, this past week was somewhat lower (I exercised heavily every single night, and I think that might’ve worn me out). 

 

-Whenever I go to clubs and parties now (I don’t know how else to put this) but it seems that my “mojo” is somewhat back (for those of you who remember the movie Austin Powers). I’ve also been responding to certain typed of music (ex Trance) in ways I used to respond a long time ago. 

 

Negatives: I do feel like my sex drive isn’t improving at the same rate it was say back in January (after I fasted). However, I can’t say things have really regressed either which is a huge plus.

 

Obviously, I’m taking everything as cautiously as possible, and learning to be more cynical. However, I do feel like I have seen positives, and will continue to “guinnea-pig” myself for the time being. Not drawing any long term conclusions about whether or not this is going to be successful. If the Anti VA theory is at least somewhat true (big IF), then I suppose it makes sense for me to wait for many more months before reaching major conclusions.

 

 

Also, I think whatever I am doing at the moment appears to be helping me with any issues I collected from my dumb attempt to take Propecia and improve things (worst mistake I have made since Accutane itself). 

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3 hours ago, cnb30 said:

Whenever I go to clubs and parties now (I don’t know how else to put this) but it seems that my “mojo” is somewhat back (for those of you who remember the movie Austin Powers). I’ve also been responding to certain typed of music (ex Trance) in ways I used to respond a long time ago. 

 

Awesome! This is how I have described my situation with libido loss and anhedonia. I LOST MY MOJO! I imagine Roche keeping it in a canning jar in a dark warehouse with my name and "vintage 1999" written on it.

 

Forgot whether I asked this before or if you responded: What was the result of your taking finasteride?

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4 hours ago, Dubya_B said:

Awesome! This is how I have described my situation with libido loss and anhedonia. I LOST MY MOJO! I imagine Roche keeping it in a canning jar in a dark warehouse with my name and "vintage 1999" written on it.

 

Forgot whether I asked this before or if you responded: What was the result of your taking finasteride?

Finasteride only made things worse

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