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9 minutes ago, tanedout said:

You'll almost certainly have 'no growth' of the lactobacillus 'good' bacteria species. Of the 2 people on this thread who've had gastrointestinal tests done (me and also user @Bobby.Digital) we've both got none of this species, and also of the 7+ PFS guys who've done the test all of them have no growth of this either. Besides that it's a mix - I had no parasites, but also no growth of the beneficial e.coli species. I think Bobby had no growth of another specifies I have, and he also had parasites. Almost 100% you'll have messed up gut flora if you get tested. 

From what I've read up, getting new growth of species is pretty difficult - probiotics generally only help while you're taking them. I'd been taking a probiotic with lactobacillus for 8+ months prior to the test (stopped 2 weeks prior as you're supposed to), so clearly that species hasn't taken hold. Reasons unknown, could be a massive fungal overgrowth, crowded out by bad bacteria species, gut pH too high (lactobacillus is lactic acid stains so likes low pH) - my pH was a bit higher than ideal, so makes sense. 

Lets remember there have been 2 complete [PFS] recoveries by people finding they have parasites, and taking the specific course of antibiotics for that specific parasite, and they've made full recoveries.. 

http://www.allthingsmale.com/community/threads/2-new-recoveries-w-same-protocol.26219/
 


True. Re-stablishing your gut flora is extremaly difficult, if not impossible. I have been on probiotics (30 million) for 7 months now, eat yogurt every day, etc. I have even tried to re-colonise the gut with a 3 week course of vsl3 probiotics which contains 450 billion bacteria! Sadly, I didn't feel ANY different. 

As for liver pain, I started reading about glucosamine and hepatotoxicity. I have a constant, dull liver pain at the moment. I've been taking glucosamine supplement (1000mg) for 6 months now with a month break in between. Has anyone been taking glucosamine for a prolonged period of time with any side effects?
 

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Once I tried lactobacillus rhamnosus. Normally I fell that food I eat is not completely or correctly digested. My feces is very stinky and looks like some nutrients is spoiling instead of digested and absorbed. When I tried lactobacillus this bad smell had gone. Unfortunately this effect I had only during taking bacterias.
Maybe you're right that accutane is powerful drug which permanently sterilized our intestines.

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5 hours ago, tanedout said:

You'll almost certainly have 'no growth' of the lactobacillus 'good' bacteria species. Of the 2 people on this thread who've had gastrointestinal tests done (me and also user @Bobby.Digital) we've both got none of this species, and also of the 7+ PFS guys who've done the test all of them have no growth of this either. Besides that it's a mix - I had no parasites, but also no growth of the beneficial e.coli species. I think Bobby had no growth of another specifies I have, and he also had parasites. Almost 100% you'll have messed up gut flora if you get tested. 

From what I've read up, getting new growth of species is pretty difficult - probiotics generally only help while you're taking them. I'd been taking a probiotic with lactobacillus for 8+ months prior to the test (stopped 2 weeks prior as you're supposed to), so clearly that species hasn't taken hold. Reasons unknown, could be a massive fungal overgrowth, crowded out by bad bacteria species, gut pH too high (lactobacillus is lactic acid stains so likes low pH) - my pH was a bit higher than ideal, so makes sense. 

Lets remember there have been 2 complete [PFS] recoveries by people finding they have parasites, and taking the specific course of antibiotics for that specific parasite, and they've made full recoveries.. 

http://www.allthingsmale.com/community/threads/2-new-recoveries-w-same-protocol.26219/
 

Thank you so much for prompt response with good info - I get more info out of this forum than any doctor!

Just a thought and I know it's been discussed in these circles before hence why I know about it  - what about doing the "gut thrive in 5" program??

I'm encouraged by it because it's not just throwing probiotics at the problem - looks like there are upwards of 19 different supplements to take coupled with diet changes etc. Some of the supplements support the liver too so it's a complete support. I like what I've read about it and that there are some strong immune system boosters to take as well!

Remember our immune system stems from the gut - this might go to explaining why our hair is so brittle etc - some of the testimonials show people
actually overcoming their hair issues by fixing the gut health!!

Keen to know people's thoughts about this program!?

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Vitamin C Function in the Brain

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649700/#!po=7.56458

Finally recovering from that copper bs. 
This is kind of a funny thing to say but if an animal was given a full course treatment of Accutane. You think they'd have the same long term side effects? Like a dog or cat that had permently thinned hair, was depressed and couldn't think straight or had ed? For some reason I think not. What would be the main difference? Maybe the fact that they  manufacturer their own vitamin c directly from the liver. Think of what this could effect if u had a constant supply 24 7 going right into the blood stream. 
 

 

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Some days I can taste the poison in the back of my mouth a bitter taste it's strange but true , a type of re-activation I guess if I eat too much oily food the day before.

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On 4/2/2016 at 8:02 PM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:
Your liver & gallbladder are congested. Look into liver flushing. Andreas Moritz wrote the most comprehensive book on the subject. It's helping me a lot. If you are worried about them being a real thing, look here. I can guarantee you if you do at least five of them, you'll know if they're real :) *they are*

Also, I suggest people here look into chlorine dioxide (MMS). They're curing almost everything with it. Watch quantumleap.is documentary. I ordered mine yesterday. You can get a clean source in glass bottles from mmsforhealth.com. A year's supply is around $25.
Google Jim Humble, Andreas Kalcker, Kerri Rivera, etc. CDautism.org or join the facebook group. Great stuff.

Look into turpentine as well. That can get rid of intestinal parasites. Google Dr. Jennifer Daniels interview on turpentine.
Turpentine should be 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine. You can get a clean source from diamondgforestproducts.com.
Andreas Kalcker has a great parasite protocol that's an option as well.

Lastly, watch this entire video from Dietrich Klinghardt, Ph.D. I typed up a summary here:  http://bit.ly/1RkLHA0.

I think there is a toxicity & microbial issue with us. Soon, I will be attacking everything with liposomal colloidal silver, liposomal Artemisinin, biocidin, chlorine dioxide, turpentine, and ozonated essential oils

This information is valuable. Please consider combing through it
I did watch the entire video. Brilliant but still a lot to take in and address. Did you type up that summary yourself?  That is seriously impressive.
Are you going to implement any of this - any ideas on keeping it simple and moving forward slowly?

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After having a meal I'm so sleepy, severe brain fog, I just can't function properly without a cup of tea. When the foods digested, say in 3-4 hours, I feel hungry again as if  I've not eaten for the whole day. Could this be due to the parasites? 

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Possibly yes and if you don't check you won't know. If you have felt strange for few weeks try IgM test but if longer try IgG.

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I don't recall exactly but I think I've done both of them to check for Celiac. Strangely both came out normal. 

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On April 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Aqu3 said:

After having a meal I'm so sleepy, severe brain fog, I just can't function properly without a cup of tea. When the foods digested, say in 3-4 hours, I feel hungry again as if  I've not eaten for the whole day. Could this be due to the parasites? 

No it's just isotretinoin .Our whole  system has been violated.  You have to watch your diet ie vitamin A intake and avoid retinol at all cost.  Also limit alcohol intake. Edited by Gladiatoro

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after zink, iron, copper...

this is month is the turn of gut and probiotics

next bullshit? stay tuned



my question, how many time you assumed accutane? 

i think for me there is no solution and no recover possibility, i m stay on the drugs 18 monhts, 6 x 3 in 2005, 2008, 2012

i have all sides write in this topic,  i think roche read this topic, if one day I lived two lives , before age 20 and after age 20 , when I will be totally depressed I would like an attempt to roche home , I live in Switzerland . I would take them to hell!

Edited by Ruvik

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7 hours ago, Ruvik said:

after zink, iron, copper...

this is month is the turn of gut and probiotics

next bullshit? stay tuned



my question, how many time you assumed accutane? 

i think for me there is no solution and no recover possibility, i m stay on the drugs 18 monhts, 6 x 3 in 2005, 2008, 2012

i have all sides write in this topic,  i think roche read this topic, if one day I lived two lives , before age 20 and after age 20 , when I will be totally depressed I would like an attempt to roche home , I live in Switzerland . I would take them to hell!

Wow you probably took 20 grams total that's insane  or 20000 mg ,  would that be correct

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1 hour ago, Gladiatoro said:
8 hours ago, Ruvik said:

after zink, iron, copper...

this is month is the turn of gut and probiotics

next bullshit? stay tuned



my question, how many time you assumed accutane? 

i think for me there is no solution and no recover possibility, i m stay on the drugs 18 monhts, 6 x 3 in 2005, 2008, 2012

i have all sides write in this topic,  i think roche read this topic, if one day I lived two lives , before age 20 and after age 20 , when I will be totally depressed I would like an attempt to roche home , I live in Switzerland . I would take them to hell!

Wow you probably took 20 grams total that's insane  or 20000 mg ,  would that be correct

I I'm probably the most poisoned by accutane in the world, my body by perfectly athletic and muscle has become skinny- fat like a woman form, my face is like person addicted to drugs, my sex live is totally destroyed,  I only remember what it's like living with a functioning penis. 4 years without erections in the mornings, i'm like an old men handicap

I sacrificed everything to beat severe acne. funny
for all doctors all my blood values are perfect , perfect hormones , no defiency , perfectly healthy . lol Edited by Ruvik

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42 minutes ago, Ruvik said:

I I'm probably the most poisoned by accutane in the world, my body by perfectly athletic and muscle has become skinny- fat like a woman form, my face is like person addicted to drugs, my sex live is totally destroyed,  I only remember what it's like living with a functioning penis. 4 years without erections in the mornings, i'm like an old men handicap

I sacrificed everything to beat severe acne. funny
for all doctors all my blood values are perfect , perfect hormones , no defiency , perfectly healthy . lol

Get some decent quality gingko biloba and also ginseng capsules and take a couple each morning for a few months. I found that helped, even if only to a point, but the effect remained after stopping. If you want something guaranteed to work immediately get some Erase Pro. 

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Hey guys first of all I want everyone here to be strong cause it def isn't easy. Second it's weird, everytime I lose my pw ( I know its my fault) I get a new username and all my messages dissapear. I don't get it acne.org?

Second, I think with due time a lot of it will actually go away and placebo is actually a REAL thing but I won't and can't deny I have been feeling way less athletic and my back has been hurting after accutane.

Weird thing is the joint pain started a couple days after my last pill and I still have it, it gets better but sometimes it gets worst pretty random. It's only on my back and neck but today after MMA practice my whole foot was experiencing pain which is weird cause I didn't hurt it all yesterday or felt pain while sparring.

Then when I woke up today it was super uncomfortable and weird and now at 2 pm it's like hardly noticable.

I think we need to stay positive and almost even try not to focus on it. A guy who believes he has ED because of something will have it for sure, it's happening to me. Or if your just nervous during intercourse. 

The ED people, have you tried Viagra/Cialus? There is even some natural supplements like Horny Goat Weed, Arginine, ETC.

My depression is def there still but I'm also dealing with the two roughest years of my life.

I was going to not spar or train but that's the ONLY thing that keeps me happy and where my anxiety goes away so I'm still doing it just trying to take it easy. (Don't know if that's a good idea.)

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I tried cialis and arginine, arginine gave me asthma, cialis gives me erections with palpitation and a feeling of fatigue,  within a few hours , without pleasure , without desire , without emotion .

I've tried pills of 5 mg ,for an erection weak (50%) I have to take 4 pills  ( 20mg ) , perhaps I might even have sex with 40mg , but the cost in money is absurd

cialis is not a solutions

Edited by Ruvik

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And btw don't f"&$" with your skin  in any shape or form our skin cell receptors are royalty f"&$)ed up, after years of experience trust me on this one.

Edited by Gladiatoro

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My mom took this medication. A couple of years later she's suffering with knee issues (I'm not sure if the doc diagnosed her with osteoporosis or arthritis). Shame cuz when we told the doctor she had taken this medication and could be because of it the doctor quickly (too quickly) brushed it off. 

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2 hours ago, Gladiatoro said:

And btw don't f"&$" with your skin  in any shape or form our skin cell receptors are royalty f"&$)ed up, after years of experience trust me on this one.

what do you mean by this

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16 hours ago, Ruvik said:

after zink, iron, copper...

this is month is the turn of gut and probiotics

next bullshit? stay tuned



my question, how many time you assumed accutane? 

i think for me there is no solution and no recover possibility, i m stay on the drugs 18 monhts, 6 x 3 in 2005, 2008, 2012

i have all sides write in this topic,  i think roche read this topic, if one day I lived two lives , before age 20 and after age 20 , when I will be totally depressed I would like an attempt to roche home , I live in Switzerland . I would take them to hell!

Maybe an experiment to determine how much Accutane it takes to reach a sub-lethal, but debilitating, dose is a more fitting punishment than death for them. Edited by Dubya_B

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