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Thanks backing up the theory : p difficult to know exactly what the symptomatic effects are but the most important is that we know how to get rid of them, there is only one way to heal any health issues. Not sure about the cell division theory & fat storage, accutane does damage to the skin cause it convert to all trans retinoic acid. I don't know where accutane can still be there (i don't think it is) but as it interconvert to ATRA and back to 13cis retinoic acid inside cells it's hard to know, since it's not found in blood after some month the only theory (in case he's still there) is like mercury poisoning, even if you don't find it in blood it can be "trapped" in some cells and the interstitial fluid, i don't know, we can only make supposition. But there is only one solution anyway, we don't need to bother about the symptomatic effects or where it can be stored, they are just a curiosity and pretty much meaningless when we know physiology, we can't force it to be expelled except by detoxing and enhancing organs & glands function. And the main problem anyway is the remaining congestion & acidosis (toxicity). In a body full of congestion & toxicity/acidosis it won't be expelled (if still there) and most importantly, the body won't ever regenerate.

About grains they are too complex starches, difficult to digest and act like a glue on the intestine, feeding the bad fungus, causing malabsorption & hard on the pancreas. Beans hard to digest too and lot of anti nutrients. Everything that require too much energy for digestion will prevent detoxification processes. But after some time detoxing when you feel better enough some beans aren't that bad, grains i will forever avoid them i believe, far too complex, quinoa, sweet potatoes, chestnut are better.

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Some crucial information on cell turnover rates in the human body:
http://www.weizmann.ac.il/plants/Milo/images/cellsBodyReplacementRate121118Clean(2).pdf

The same information can be found all over the internet and in textbooks. Scientists, religious zealots, atheists, green people, orange people, men, women, children, and naturopathic healers all seem to generally agree on this one thing as well.

The point being:

  • The carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms from the Accutane molecule are long gone within ten years,
  • Any cells in your body that at one point contained the Accutane molecule are long gone within ten years.
  • That's not even taking into consideration cellular mechanisms like CYP enzymes and glucuronidation that actively deactivate and remove the Accutane molecule from your body.

So, why do we have people like myself that are 10-20 years into suffering side effects?

It is NOT because Accutane is still trapped in our bodies. None of us.

If anything, Accutane has been shown to cause cellular turnover rate to increase.

Chico, I don't doubt for one minute the symptoms you say you are experiencing, but there is an alternative explanation besides Accutane being stuck.

...I get hated on every time for bringing up heritable chromatin modifications and/or DNA methylation, so I'll let it be for now.

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Hi tryingtohelp,

I did it pretty much the typical way you'll find it described. Leave kefir grains in milk for 12-24 hours (mine usually only takes around 15hr). Then separate grains and kefir, put grains in new milk. Leave new kefir out for second fermentation a few hours. Repeat.

Kefir should heal your digestive issues. I have witnessed some wild things kefir has done for people.

Also, the quickest and best way to get a hold of the grains is to find someone locally who has them or go on Craigslist. I find that way better than buying starter kits online since those have to grow.

thanks, i found a local guy on CL with the grains.. will pick up this week and try it...and tell you how it goes. would love to hear the wild stories... anything helps.

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I forgot to mention this for those so afraid of deficiencies:

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/biological-transmutations-a-1271.html

http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htm

http://www.healthandhealing.revolutionoftruth.com/healthandhealing_004.htm

http://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/165.pdf

If you have deficiencies it's because of weak liver & adrenals (mainly) (since they play a big part of those transmutation&balance process) and also interstitial fluid & lymph congestion when nutrient can't reach cells. Vitamins is more damaged intestines & flora, but also liver, etc.. ofc. So the only solution as always is cleansing & regenerating the organs to restore proper function, not taking huge amount of dirty isolates or chemicals to stimulate them temporarly (and not fixing + enhancing the problem).

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Having actually had a little gander of the world wide web for Robert Morse ND on google just to look for testimonies and what not. All I can find is either people critiquing him or haven't heard of him. Even on the raw vegan websites. Durian Rider who seems to be one of the most well known and passionate raw vegans even thinks Robert Morse is a quack.

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/robert-morse-critiqued-by-durianrider?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A2605664&xg_source=activity

There is also the fact if Robert Morse practised what he preached wouldn't he look to be in better shape? He looks to be in pretty poor form.
And if this guy genuinely had saved even hundreds of lives wouldn't there be a little more to show for it online?

What I'm also finding is a lot of raw vegans say with 100% conviction that any disease can be cured. Wouldn't it be easy to test this theory by simply infecting one of the believers with a deadly disease and then watching them recover? It would put the medical system out of business within months.

It's also interesting to note that the 'God Complex' of Robert Norse and other similar proponents exceeds that of traditional doctors. Morse believes he has the answer for every disease in existence from the past to the future and won't take evidence to the contrary for an answer. Traditional doctors think they know everything, but if superior evidence emerges they adapt and proceed. There also seems to be a preponderance of personal insults thrown by these forerunners of alternative treatments.

He's a solid con-man considering people are willing to shell out $150+ for an appointment when I guess the answer is eat lots of fruits and use all these herbs that I make a profit off. Although there are so many variations that he can still make money when it isn't working. If just eating fruit,veg is working try eating just fruits, when that isn't working just do berries and melons, when that isn't working just do a mono-fruit diet, when that isn't working use herb x,y,z too and so forth.

With all that said; as I've said before I believe diet is very important but I don't believe it can cure everything. If so we would be immortal. It's the same with how anonny you say we are adapted to eat the fruitarian diet like baboons and so forth. If it is true that this diet can cure all disease how is that baboons and similar primates still end up with diseases such as cancer and die of AIDS even when living in their natural habitat?
Each time I end up following the fruitarian diet I notice my gastric issues get a little worse, albeit not by much and they stay steady at that level. I think it's just simply eating 20-30 portions of fruit a day is just going to give you at least slightly sloppy turds. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also another topic of inquiry for those suggesting Accutane is still stored in the body and that is what explains the resurgence of side effects when fasting. Is there any chance those who experience this effect also find eating retinol gives them sides? If this is the case, could it not be that your Vitamin A enzymatic pathways have been altered and that when you fast you release Free Fatty Acids into your blood stream and thus the attached `Vit A is released causing issues. Rather than retinoic acid being excreted?

Also Chico, no acknowledgement that you may have belittled my sides a little over aggressively or my intentions for that matter...?


Anyway,

RSO UPDATE - circa 5 weeks

First, the bad stuff:

The oil is potent. It knocks you out even at small doses and can leave you feeling groggy well into the next day. As has been mentioned before your short term memory is on standby mode even for a little while after stopping the oil.

Sadly so far not much has changed in regards to my sexual issues.

I'm at a bit of a loss how to explain how when I first starting vaping my libido returned, my ejaculate force and density increased and my erection quality increased massively but my sensitivity still stood stuck at 0%. If all of those are controlled to an extent by 5 alpha reductase and cannabis influences these receptors surely all these sides should have shown variations but that is not so.

I'm still better than was when I first started vaping but one unfortunate thing is I believe the complete lack of sensitivity is due to very much altered 5ARr is causing my penile cells to be starved of certain hormones and is causing an hourglass shape to form as found on the propeciahelp site. This may or may not be the onset peyronies disease I cannot be sure yet. I have given thought to that it may be cannabis as it does have certain anti-androgenic compounds and thus there is the possibility that those who recovered from sexual sides through cannabis were simply recovering the same way that some others had by using an anti-androgenic substance and that in fact I could in fact be playing with fire here. I await the "AHA see it's all BS" responses, perhaps it is. But we cannot deny those who have already recovered through its use.


Now for the good stuff:

As some who have followed for a while know I used to have severe gastric issues until I followed the SC diet which allowed my gut to slowly heal up to about 80% and now I can get away with quite a lot dietary wise. However, it seems to have stayed relatively stable for a few months and I had through some conjecture figured I still have some gut lining damage (my sensitivity to caffeine and spicy foods) and some bacterial imbalance (inability to eat carbohydrates other than fruit).

However, after 4 weeks of taking the oil I thought I'd do a little test. If I had a very very strong coffee after a very very large meal that would pretty much guarantee a fair bit of discomfort and diarrhoea. Nothing this time, perhaps and urge to go, but was mild. So I was pleasantly surprised. I then thought I'd push the boat out and see how much my GI tract could take just so I could definitively say whether or not I had improved. For a whole 7 days I ate everything that would give me problems including pizza, spicy food, caffeine, sugar, cereal and in large portions no less. Nothing more than a bit of flatulence, although towards the end I did get slightly more 'wet' stools (lovely) but not close to diarrhoea. Before the oil by about the 2-3rd day I would start to experience increasingly poor symptoms. Back to a good diet now.

So what confuses me in regards to that is how is the RSO conferring a benefit to what I believed were problems caused by bacterial imbalances? RSO wouldn't cause bacterial regeneration although perhaps it could have repaired the gut lining to the extent that the lining was more resilient to the toxins released by unwanted gut flora. I couldn't say.

Furthermore, I should point out that these benefits could simply be present whilst on the oil and that when I come off the issues would come back. However, seeing testimonials on youtube in regards to Chron's and RSO alongside some evidence means I'm hopeful.

That's all for now.


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What Robert Morse teach is physiology and the cause of "diseases". Durianrider criticize everything and everyone and only promote veganism, not curing health issue. If you are so naïve that you need other people to back up everything you won't ever be stable in your understandment and won't understand anything, being the prey of others personal opinions.
Robert Morse is a real life doctor, you won't find every people he saved on google. But i know lot of people on facebook which he saved from "incurable" "diseases". Without him i would probably be dead. Do you have lot of testimony online of your local real life doctor? Dr Morse as a lot of student, which them too helped and saved a lot of people, me included.
And yes, when you understand physiology you have the answer for every disease, since there is no such thing in the beginning. The body is chemistry, there is no random disease coming to attack you while you sleep for no reason.
If you find that Robert Morse do everything he do only for money you are really pityful, he sells tincture quality 10 times better than other labs, and who cost far less. He spend all his time healing people and making free video to help the more people he can, he dedicated his life to that. You don't have anything to pay, he share everything he know thru his youtube and you can even call them for free asking advice.
Diet won't cure everything, you clearly didn't understand anything Morse say.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vocQp0tnlE He doesn't look healthy for a 70+ years old? your prejudge blind you. And again, this is not about him, this is about what he teach and his results. Even if you want to criticize Dr Morse, it won't make the lymphatic system disapear or the congestion, the toxicity, or the people he saved.
Robert Morse talk a lot about god (which he say we are all god, all living things are, nature, etc..) because modern human disconnected so much from that, that they think they know better than life and itself, that they can eat wathever, eat synthetic drug that will get them better, inject battery acid inside their blood to get better, etc.. he's 100% right talking about that.
Criticizing the whole thing Morse teach (lymphatic system, two side of chemistry, diet) because he talk sometimes about "god" is really low. Won't waste my time anymore to such low-minded people, this is so ridiculous the stupidity some come at to justify their own ignorance and failure.
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Durian rider is a complete sociopath / psychopath and thinks everyone that doesn't follow Doug Graham is a quack. The man has about the same amount of intelligence as a plank of wood and bans people from his charlatan site at the first consideration of eating meat, or doing something he doesn't 100% agree with. He charges people hundreds of dollars for a single skype session informing them to eat more banana's, the man is the very definition of charlatan. He's also been known to send death threats to defectors of his ideology and harassed prominent paleo youtuber’s into getting restraining orders taken out against him, such is the level of abuse. He certainly doesn't deserve to be held up as any sort of truth gauge unless the gauge itself, was a mentalism gauge.

Robert Morse sells herbs at exorbitant prices, he doesn't live the lifestyle he preaches, but his information is actually very good. Don't get me wrong, he can be perceived as a charlatan as well and i suppose there is an aspect of that, like with all healers in the sense that he's selling his own product, but i think his intentions are very much noble.

About the vitamin A thing, maybe, possible certainly, but then again why would the skin condition completely go away when fasting?

As for the ad hominem attacks on your person i do apologise for that, i apologise for discrediting your character, that wasn't called for. i don't however apologise for calling it bs and it does irritate me that this site is used as a 'cannabinoid' research centre, but then again people are probably fed up of my long winded diatribes about accutane, so i can see it both way's. Will you accept my apology Crank?

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So thankful for that response Chico! Much appreciated.
I'd rather we discuss our ideas here in an intellectual manner rather than just falling into a pit of needless abuse. Don't get me wrong, I've been there before!

Ha I agree. Durian Rider is a character and a half, and I don't doubt that his lifestyle is healthier than the average person but he is most definitely on the sociopath spectrum!

I also believe that wha..

Hold on somethings come up.. I'll finish this later!

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Hi guys,

Haven't been on acne.org in a few years, but this topic caught my eye.

Sorry if this has been asked in the 273 pages, but to those thinking they have accutane induced erectile dysfunction, are you still able to get an erection to porn? And also how much exercise do you do normally in a week, if you are experiencing e.d.?

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No. Porn doesn't have an effect anymore. It takes manual stimulation, lots of it, because of numbness.

And I exercise four times a week religiously. 45 min -1hr of cardio 2 days a week and 1 hr of free weights 2 days a week.

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Ouch man, Thanks for the response.

I was on Accutane 8 years ago and have just now started to have e.d. problems. I was trying to narrow down if this was caused by accutane or was porn induced e.d. I think its the latter since I can still get erections from watching porn without stimulation.

Although Accutane did the job at clearing my skin, I have had mild rosacea as well as i.b.s. since taking..

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Don't know what to tell you man.

I don't believe in porn-induced ED. It's entirely plausible that porn might not have the same psychological effect after getting bored with watching it, but there's no known reason that should contribute to either loss of sensitivity or underlying "physical" origins of E.D.

There appears to be a few other medications capable of causing sexual dysfunction similar to that experienced by former Accutane users:

Finasteride (Propecia)

Dutaseride (Avodart)

Saw Palmetto

and several SSRI medications

Did the ED correlate with taking any of these medications?

There are scattered reports on the internet of progestin-based birth control causing long term sexual dysfunction in women, but hopefully you weren't that hungry that you were popping your GF's Yaz like Tic-Tacs.

8 years off Accutane is an extremely long time for it to first begin having a negative effect.

Might simply be low T or another hormonal problem.

You might want to see an endocrinologist about getting your testosterone levels checked out.

What really sucks about having sexual side effects from Accutane in particular is that T or DHT levels don't really seem to make a difference.

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About the vitamin A thing, maybe, possible certainly, but then again why would the skin condition completely go away when fasting?

Just have some thoughts about the quoted statement:

Could the skin condition have been a bad reaction to something you were getting regularly in you diet that would have been absent during the fast? Vitamin A possibly? or something else?

Could fasting itself have had a positive effect on your skin condition, food intake aside? What is meant by that is there are all sorts of physiological changes induced by short-term starvation that have been documented.

I tried a 7 day fast (only water) as a "shot it the dark" treatment and nothing much changed except I became very weak during the last 4 days.

Same with cutting vitamin A in my diet. Didn't help at all, and eating tons of vitamin A rich foods (eggs, spinach, carrots, butter), plus multivitamins containing vit A, doesn't make my symptoms any worse.

Only mentioning this due to all of the posts in this thread where people said their symptoms came back or worsened when eating food or taking supplements containing vitamin A.

My apologies if I'm missing out on something you already know or already explained.

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Robert Morse win 0$ with his tincture (24$ for a 1:2 or 1:4 extract with 15 ingredients you won't find lower price (herbsfordetox is not his website)), he only win his life with his appointment who i agree are expensive, but since it's more than worth it and since he give all his knowledge and help for free on youtube and email, and since he work fulltime since 40 years i can't blame him. But again this is not important, the only thing that matter are the results and the knowledge that he shares for free to all. If you don't like Dr Morse you can still find what he says somewhere else, he didn't invented anything.

He does the lifestyle he "preach", he just eat sometimes cooked food like sweet potatoes. He said it many times in his video, if you want to detox fast you eat 100% raw fruits or you can eat some cooked food to go slower, there is no conspiration here.

He doesn't advise fasting.

D. & libido issue are 100% adrenals weakness, take the 'professional formulas' glandular and you'll see. Don't take any other glandular than adrenals, those glandular's are extremely powerful and should not be used on a gland in a hyper-state.

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Hi everyone,

I have completely lost the will to live, and a lot of this is due to my side effects. (e.g painful, tingling, burning skin a lot of the time, acne scarring, flushing, sweating, mental health problems, IBS, exfoliative chelitis).

I am here to vent, but also to seek any advice on how to carry on living because I really don't feel as though I can function. I am burdened with uncomfortable permanent side effects (I'm 12 years post accutane), debt in trying to treat my skin and mental heath issues and suffer from anxiety and depression on a regular basis. I have functioned with all this on top of the day-to-day issues we all deal with, but only just. I have actually contemplated suicide a number of times but feel as though now, at the age of 29, I am ready to go ahead with this.

Has anyone managed to turn their live around?

I feel as though I just cope, I have had ups and downs but there has never been a day I have not thought about accutane and the effects it had. I have been robbed of so many things in life because of its impact on me (I accept others could deal better, but sadly I have weak mental health and vitality and this was hit hard by my accutane experience).

Sorry for a sad post, but I have nowhere to go to discuss this.

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Jamie 10 what was your dosage ? Also I would recommend for you to smoke some high quality pot , good for the mood plus avoid alcohol if you haven't already. We are all in this boat together , together we can get through it. Think positive it's the only way forward.

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Hi everyone,

I have completely lost the will to live, and a lot of this is due to my side effects. (e.g painful, tingling, burning skin a lot of the time, acne scarring, flushing, sweating, mental health problems, IBS, exfoliative chelitis).

I am here to vent, but also to seek any advice on how to carry on living because I really don't feel as though I can function. I am burdened with uncomfortable permanent side effects (I'm 12 years post accutane), debt in trying to treat my skin and mental heath issues and suffer from anxiety and depression on a regular basis. I have functioned with all this on top of the day-to-day issues we all deal with, but only just. I have actually contemplated suicide a number of times but feel as though now, at the age of 29, I am ready to go ahead with this.

Has anyone managed to turn their live around?

I feel as though I just cope, I have had ups and downs but there has never been a day I have not thought about accutane and the effects it had. I have been robbed of so many things in life because of its impact on me (I accept others could deal better, but sadly I have weak mental health and vitality and this was hit hard by my accutane experience).

Sorry for a sad post, but I have nowhere to go to discuss this.

Don't worry Jamie, I know exactly how you feel. The side effects from taking accutane are having a HUGE impact on the way I am living my life. The past 2 years or so after I took accutane, the side effects just kept building up to the point where it is now and feel it can't get any worse than it is now. This includes only being able to get a 50% erection even with manual stimulation, loss of sensation, mental fogginess issues, major hair loss( you could acctually go back in the posts of mine cause I put a couple of pictures up of my hair a couple months ago). On top of that, I have the same acne that I had before taking accutane! And lIke you said this is not counting the things we deal with every day. These side effects just make it 10 times harder to deal with those every day things because of these side effects always being on your mind and actually having to deal with them. I can't fully function in life like I should half the time because of what I am dealing with. I can no longer get "excited" when I see a fine girl or have sexual thoughts because I can't experience them. BTW I am only 23 incase you don't know. I fear I will never get in a serious relationship with a girl because of what I am dealing with.

In the midst of all of this, I try to think of the good things in my life and focuss on them. I have a great family that is supportive, I am going to college and will be graduating with a bachelors degree in business administration pretty soon, and I was raised to make the most out of life no matter what obsticals you face. Though very hard, I try to focus on these things. Don't get me wrong, I have very often had suicidal thoughts, but I think of these things and think of what my family would think if I did it and it stops me from thinking it because I would never want to hurt them by doing that.

Also, I try to never loose hope and am optimistic about finding ways to cope with my side effects. I started weight lifting 3 days a week for the past 2 months and continue to improve my body. I try to make goals for myself so I could focus on other things in life than what is going on with my body.

You have to think like that in order to live your life. Find things you like doing and focuss on that. Try setting goals for yourself and focuss on them and stick with them. You will find that it helps my friend.

Just remember, we are all in the same boat and there is ALWAYS someone that has it worse than you.

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Don't ever smoke pot if you doesn't want to destroy even more your adrenals and end up with panic attacks.

Check this out if you want to understand what cause your issue: http://grapegate.com/the-illusion-called-diseases-vol-i

After wasted thousand of euros and tried almost everything that exist, this is the way, the only one, because this is how the body work.

Don't expect to have results in the short term, this happen only to some people with strong energy reserve. Took me 2 years doing lot of flushes & using herbs to get results (& the diet change).

I had same problems as you, most difficult to live with was the mental one, funny that you named exfoliative chelitis, i had this too and i didn't knew that name. You certainly have joint issue too? did you had lot of nosebleed during accutane?
I think also that you are a huge meat/protein eater if i'm not wrong.
Don't think about suicide anymore, there is a way out, but you won't find it in the official "medicine".

Other links: http://grapegate.com/detoxification-the-golden-key

http://grapegate.com/urine-sediment

And you can watch the video i posted in a post last 3 page i think.

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Your right anonyy I just thought it might help him out with the depression I don't smoke pot myself but for some people it works and lifts the mood . But remember not all get panic attacks and the power of hemp is quite impressive RSO oil cures cancer it's for real.

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It help calm because it depress the nervous system but it can be highly dangerous for some people, i know lot of people who had panic attacks for month (me included) after taking pot. There is far more stories of people getting rid of cancer with diet & fast & other detox cure than RSO. I don't even understand how that RSO work, official theory is by telling the mutated cells to self destruct and by stimulating the immune system bit i think it's more about stimulating the nervous system in a good way/dosage (adrenals) to get the kidney filtering lymph again. Cannabis rise dopamine, which is the neurotransmitters more related to detoxification, epinephrine/adrenaline does the opposite (an other reason why meat is toxic, it is full of epinephrine). But by smoking it you'll never have the RSO benefit, the dosage (+ wrong form of THC) are really bad that way and will only depress the nervous system very damagingly, not gently stimulate it in a good way.

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Glucuronidation and Cancer:

Jacob Schor, ND FABNO

written in 2003

Glucuronidation is one of the most important Phase II conjugation pathways in the liver for detoxification and excretion of carcinogens, lipid soluble hormones and steroid hormones. The liver, through a series of chemical reactions, attaches glucuronic acid to the target chemical and then excretes this chemical complex in the bile into the intestine. (At this point the story turns into the script of a low grade suspense movie. At the end, when you finally breathe a sigh of relief, the defeated murderer, monster, or whatever suddenly leaps back to life. Once the liver has safely tied up these dangerous chemicals and dumped them into the sewer line, you might think the story was over. Not by a long shot.) Beta-glucuronidase, an enzyme produced by intestinal bacteria, can break the bond between excreted ‘toxin’ and glucuronic acid. These excreted toxins and hormones that were history, are reactivated, quickly reabsorbed into the body, and are back to no good.

For disease, and especially cancer prevention, one wants low Beta-glucuronidase activity. Beta-glucuronidase levels in the intestine can be measured as part of the evaluation performed in a digestive stool analysis. If these levels are high, it is a prudent idea to lower them.

Beta-glucuronidase can be lowered by establishing healthy bacterial flora in the intestine by eating a diet high in plant foods and supplementing the diet with the ‘friendly bacteria’, Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifodobacterium bifidum. Other dietary factors that dramatically decrease the activity of this enzyme are consumption of onions, garlic, and foods high in glucuronic acid like apples, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, lettuce and especially oranges.

Glucuronic acid is available in pill form as Calcium D-glucarate. Calcium D-glucarate indirectly inhibits the beta-glucuronidase enzyme dramatically preventing its ability to reactivate excreted toxins.

Suggested as a possible magic bullet in prevention of breast cancer, especially in women who have already had one occurrence, in contrast to Tamoxifen, Calcium D-glucarate is completely safe and possibly more effective.

Dose: 2,000 mg 2x/day for ER/PR positive.

-Heerdt AS, Young CW, Borgen PO, Calcium clucarate as a chemopreventive agent in breast cancer. Israel Journal of Medical Sciences. 31(2-3): 101-5, 1995.

-Walaszek Z, Potential use of D-glucaric acid derivatives in cancer prevention. Cancer Letters 54(1-2):1-8, 1990

-Abbou-Issa H. Moeschberger M, el-Masry W. Tejwani S. Curley RWJr. Webb TE. Relative efficacy of glucarate on the initiation and promotion phases of rat mammary carcinogenesis. Anticancer Research. 15(3):905-10, 1995.

-Murray. Breast Cancer: Update on a growing Epidemic Natural Medicine Journal. March 1999. 2(1);1-6

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Gilbert's Syndrome by Marina Eckel

S-adenosylmethionine (SAM), an important physiological agent formed in the body by combining the essential amino acid methionine with adenosyl-triphosphate (ATP) has been shown to both activate several Phase II pathways (including
glucuronidation)
as well as promote bile flow and relieve cholestatis. {Pizzorno, 157} {Murray, 372}.

“Supplementation of 1 gram of SAM twice daily results in a significant decrease in
serum bilirubin
in patients with GS.” {Pizzorno, 157}

“Supplementation with SAM at a dosage of 400 mg three times daily has resulted in a significant decrease in serum bilirubin in patients with GS.” {Murray, 372}.

SAM presents no significant side effects though individuals with bipolar (manic) depression should not take SAM as it may provoke a manic phase. {Murray, 372}.

A deficiency of
methionin, vitamin B12, or folic acid
can result in decreased SAM synthesis {Murray, 365}, therefore it is important that individuals eat whole foods to ensure a full range of nutrients.

TMG (Trimethylglycine) / Betaine - Reduces Bilirubin, Estrogen, Increases Bile Transport, Enzyme Support, Mood

Theres your accutane/gilberts syndrome/high bilirubin cholestasis/b12 folate TMG /gluccurondination links

what is kombucha high in ? b vitamins

whats kefir high in? b vitamins

what has accutane beeen clinically proven to deplete? folate and B12

what do the liver and kidneys need more of to detoxify b vitamins

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Will you stop this meaningless brain masturbation? the body doesn't need anything to be added more than physiological foods, it need things to be eliminated & balance restored. Taking isolate won't restore the balance or drain lymph, they will create imbalancies and will be excreted by the kidneys, your money will go directly in the toilet. And i repeat, we all already tried those false theory here.

Every nutrients, vitamins & minerals are required for every action inside the body, the body work as a whole, everything connected, don't try to find connection to some vitamins to explain something, all of them will be related to any subject you are looking into.

Stop this ignorant everything is caused by deficiency thinking, it will lead you nowhere. Except if you are fasting for month and lost lot of weight, maybe you can have some slight deficiencies (and even in that case people doesn't show deficiencies in blood tests cause the body constantly adapt itself). The only way to get deficiencies is to eat for year the same non-physiological food (ex only meat, only maize, ..). Blood tests are meaningless, they doesn't show if the cells properly absorbed the nutrients. And you can even have low nutrients in the blood because the cells absorbed more than usual nutrients that day/period, everything fluctuate inside the body, it's a living thing. There is also reserve of nutrients in the body.

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Will you stop this meaningless brain masturbation? the body doesn't need anything to be added more than physiological foods, it need things to be eliminated & balance restored. Taking isolate won't restore the balance or drain lymph, they will create imbalancies and will be excreted by the kidneys, your money will go directly in the toilet. And i repeat, we all already tried those false theory here.

Every nutrients, vitamins & minerals are required for every action inside the body, the body work as a whole, everything connected, don't try to find connection to some vitamins to explain something, all of them will be related to any subject you are looking into.

Stop this ignorant everything is caused by deficiency thinking, it will lead you nowhere. Except if you are fasting for month and lost lot of weight, maybe you can have some slight deficiencies (and even in that case people doesn't show deficiencies in blood tests cause the body constantly adapt itself). The only way to get deficiencies is to eat for year the same non-physiological food (ex only meat, only maize, ..). Blood tests are meaningless, they doesn't show if the cells properly absorbed the nutrients. And you can even have low nutrients in the blood because the cells absorbed more than usual nutrients that day/period, everything fluctuate inside the body, it's a living thing. There is also reserve of nutrients in the body.

or if you take a drug that has been PROVEN to cause said deficiency.

shut up about your extremely vague lymphatic system mumbo jumbo I R I D O LO G Y nonsense. Id be willing to bet you havent fixed one of your symptoms. If i had fixed myself, the VERY LAST place i would be is daily trolling an accutane msg board LOL!

are you sure youre not Robert Morse? QUACK QUACK QUACK

"hey you have a hole in the right corner of your eye! you must drain your lymph!!"

how do you drain your lymph?

" i told you to drain your lymph stupid!"

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