Jump to content
Acne.org
Search In
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
Isaac Lee

American Health Corrupted!!??!! Thoughts??

Recommended Posts

Ariventa, I feel personally that you are being naive. Look, Yes it is our responsibility to be healthy, that is true. But who's responsibility is it to teach us how to be healthy? To teach us what is good and what is bad for us. Our parents? maybe yes. And maybe it is THIER parents to do the same. BUT somewhere in the mix, we were influenced by the govt, because they want our money. Look, whether you like it or not, they are helping us make bad decisions. Unhealthy decisions. Not everyone has the same kind of ability to eat wisely. Students for example, are so busy studying they don't have time to prepare a healthy meal, but instead end up eating a hamburger with fries. Not EVERYONE has the money OR knowledge to purchase a filter for thier water. Not everyone has the KNOWLEDGE that vaccines may be harmful. Do you know why? Because the govt (I'm refering to "them" as the govt, but I am talking about the group that influences all of this) tells them this. They say, eating lots of grains and wheat its healthy. And that eating protiens isn't. They say fats will make you fat, which is not true. They say fluoride will help your teeth. That vaccines will "protect" you. That all these drugs and meds will make you feel better.

And yes, of course everyone (most people) want to make money and we all have a survival instinct. but like acneslayer and a whole bunch of people said, this shouldn't be a profit game. That is simply disgusting.

And out of many people, you should understand. Im guessing you suffured from acne, and should know how derms have LIED to you saying that acne is not affected by diet. That is like saying acne is not affected by your health. Instead they want to sell you hundreds of dollars worth in topicals that work for maybe a couple months as most. They want to sell you antibiotics and accutane that kill your system.

It is people like YOU that make the govt and america like this, they say, "Hey, its your resposiblity to be healthy, not mine" NO, as the leader of the country it IS your responsibility to HELP the people.

We are brainwashed, and not just in health, in many ways. And yes, maybe "I" can't change it, but "WE" can. And when someone like you says that we can't do sht and we have to DEAL with all the bs, it makes me sad and pity you.

Anyway, I don't want to offend anyone, but honestly, look at what your saying and TELL me that its not naive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really feel for you guys over there in America, I'm Australian and I don't need insurance for anything that I need. I want to get some lipo one day and I have to pay for that, and I have to have a lipoma on my back which is very big but not life threatening but I don't like it so I have to pay for that to be removed. But everything else i practically free.

I'm only just not a low enough earner to be considered a low income earner so I do have to pay for doc's appts, but instead I just have to pay the doctor, then take the reciept to the govt, and they give most of it bucks. I work out to me paying about $10 for your average doctor's appointment.

I saw sicko. I think the dude who started this thread is a bit paranoid, I wish my town's water had flouride, I have sensitive teeth and maybe it would help.

I do understand the idea that commercialised things make sure that the people who work for them will get them, however health really needs to be an exception, as it benefits everyone. Without a healthy working class, the nation suffers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I really feel for you guys over there in America, I'm Australian and I don't need insurance for anything that I need. I want to get some lipo one day and I have to pay for that, and I have to have a lipoma on my back which is very big but not life threatening but I don't like it so I have to pay for that to be removed. But everything else i practically free.

I'm only just not a low enough earner to be considered a low income earner so I do have to pay for doc's appts, but instead I just have to pay the doctor, then take the reciept to the govt, and they give most of it bucks. I work out to me paying about $10 for your average doctor's appointment.

I saw sicko. I think the dude who started this thread is a bit paranoid, I wish my town's water had flouride, I have sensitive teeth and maybe it would help.

I do understand the idea that commercialised things make sure that the people who work for them will get them, however health really needs to be an exception, as it benefits everyone. Without a healthy working class, the nation suffers.

:clap::clap:

Thank you!

I hated seeing in Sicko the story of the foreign doctor (from the UK, I think) that had a heart attack while on holiday in America and wound up having a bill that was like tens of thousands of dollars.

Yes, I think that if I want to get a nose job or liposuction that I should have to pay for it. But what about when if I have a seizure or something and wind up having to spend time in the hospital. It's not like I chose to have a seizure. It's not like that guy chose to have a heart attack.

I always say that if I ever get an illness such as cancer that I'd rather just sit at home and die than rack up the medical bills that come with it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I really feel for you guys over there in America, I'm Australian and I don't need insurance for anything that I need. I want to get some lipo one day and I have to pay for that, and I have to have a lipoma on my back which is very big but not life threatening but I don't like it so I have to pay for that to be removed. But everything else i practically free.

I'm only just not a low enough earner to be considered a low income earner so I do have to pay for doc's appts, but instead I just have to pay the doctor, then take the reciept to the govt, and they give most of it bucks. I work out to me paying about $10 for your average doctor's appointment.

I saw sicko. I think the dude who started this thread is a bit paranoid, I wish my town's water had flouride, I have sensitive teeth and maybe it would help.

I do understand the idea that commercialised things make sure that the people who work for them will get them, however health really needs to be an exception, as it benefits everyone. Without a healthy working class, the nation suffers.

Hey, Well, Im the thread starter. Have you looked into Fluoride in our water?

Heres a link, this is just one of many. You can do you own research if you wish. Contrary to believe, their are studies out thier which show that fluoride may actually be bad for your teeth.

Anyway heres the link.

http://www.healthiertalk.com/fluoride-hoax-3100

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ariventa, I feel personally that you are being naive. Look, Yes it is our responsibility to be healthy, that is true. But who's responsibility is it to teach us how to be healthy? To teach us what is good and what is bad for us. Our parents? maybe yes. And maybe it is THIER parents to do the same. BUT somewhere in the mix, we were influenced by the govt, because they want our money. Look, whether you like it or not, they are helping us make bad decisions. Unhealthy decisions. Not everyone has the same kind of ability to eat wisely. Students for example, are so busy studying they don't have time to prepare a healthy meal, but instead end up eating a hamburger with fries. Not EVERYONE has the money OR knowledge to purchase a filter for thier water. Not everyone has the KNOWLEDGE that vaccines may be harmful. Do you know why? Because the govt (I'm refering to "them" as the govt, but I am talking about the group that influences all of this) tells them this. They say, eating lots of grains and wheat its healthy. And that eating protiens isn't. They say fats will make you fat, which is not true. They say fluoride will help your teeth. That vaccines will "protect" you. That all these drugs and meds will make you feel better.

And yes, of course everyone (most people) want to make money and we all have a survival instinct. but like acneslayer and a whole bunch of people said, this shouldn't be a profit game. That is simply disgusting.

And out of many people, you should understand. Im guessing you suffured from acne, and should know how derms have LIED to you saying that acne is not affected by diet. That is like saying acne is not affected by your health. Instead they want to sell you hundreds of dollars worth in topicals that work for maybe a couple months as most. They want to sell you antibiotics and accutane that kill your system.

It is people like YOU that make the govt and america like this, they say, "Hey, its your resposiblity to be healthy, not mine" NO, as the leader of the country it IS your responsibility to HELP the people.

We are brainwashed, and not just in health, in many ways. And yes, maybe "I" can't change it, but "WE" can. And when someone like you says that we can't do sht and we have to DEAL with all the bs, it makes me sad and pity you.

Anyway, I don't want to offend anyone, but honestly, look at what your saying and TELL me that its not naive.

I believe you are the naive one, clearly. Look at the history of governments. As a whole, "they" have been taking advantage of the citizenry in almost every incarnation because the government feeds off the people.

What you are advocating for is a happy, altruistic government that is pure and virtuous and would never take advantage of the people or lead them astray. Show me one example in history of such a government on any appreciably large scale. You are asking for a babysitter to make all your decisions for you. Humans have been taking advantage of humans forever. The best way to fight this is to take personal responsibility for oneself, and responsibility for loved ones and friends, instead of playing the part of the hopeless victim, which is what you and acneslayer advocate.

Instead of informing people and asking them to fight for themselves and claim dominion over their bodies and health, you are simply bitching and moaning. I try to tell people to be proactive and preventative, and yet there are people like yourself, who number in the millions, who would rather be reactive and spend precious energy and effort complaining instead of committing to any course of action that would enact real change, either on a micro or macro scale.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i do believe it is our responsibility to be healthy and do what is good for us. but there are many instances where its SO hard to. there are sooo many drugs out there that are prescribed to us and SO many food items and drinks that have so many unpronounceable names in the ingredients, literally, in like almost every food item in a grocery store. all this stuff is passed thru by the FDA saying yeah its fine for everyone. on that note, it is our responsibility, if u wana be healthy, to avoid a lot of this stuff. altho even fruits and veggies are preserved and genetically altered (by the way, there is no law that says they have to post which fruits n veggies are being genetically altered in stores). so its litereally goten to a point where u dunno WHAT ur eating when u eat food in stores ...its best to grow ur own food.altho thats hard to given that fact that a lot of ppl live in apts and/or work work work. lol its just so crazy.

also there are ways to go organic, it just takes a LOT more work and patience in order to find the stuff u need

Yes, yes, yes. Why do organic apples cost $6.99 a pound, but I can get a double cheese burger at McDonald's for $1?

And hospitals can charge whatever the heck they please, and we can't do anything about it. Yes, it is our responsibility to keep ourselves healthy, but the government has a responsibility to its people. Many people can't afford to be healthy, because healthcare is just another business run by major corporations in the United States. It's a profit game, just like every other business, but it shouldn't be. It just disgusts me.

- Cheap food is cheap, better food costs more. You get what you pay for. That is generally how it has always been. Nothing is new here.

- If the people don't like government, then it is the peoples' RESPONSIBILITY to change it through voting, spending habits or other means.

- Healthcare generally only helps when you are already sick or injured. Healthcare's main tools are drugs and surgeries, which are only really effective when you are already sick. True healthcare is taking preventative measures towards diseases. Doctors and hospitals can't make you exercise, de-stress, eat well, or improve your sleep. Only the individual can do this, which is why it is the individual's health is a personal responsibility.

- If it disgusts you, then change it. Don't contribute to it. Money talks. Educate others. You don't have to go see a doctor, unless you are sick (already too late to prevent). You don't have to buy drugs or products from major corporations. They do not come to your house and force you to buy their stuff. Ignore them.

This stuff is simple but everyone wants to complicate the matter. If you don't like something, don't contribute to it.

If I could change it, I would. Unfortunately, there aren't enough like-minded people to make a change. I'm not saying corporations are all evil. What I'm saying is that even though the U.S. is rather capitalistic, some things shouldn't be a profit game. Healthcare should not be a profit game. It's just wrong.

Hospitals grossly overcharge. How do you think doctors make six figure incomes?

So, you think the only reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge? Anyways, this example is a non-sequitor. I am getting the feeling you are still a teenager. Would I be correct?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I believe you are the naive one, clearly. Look at the history of governments. As a whole, "they" have been taking advantage of the citizenry in almost every incarnation because the government feeds off the people.

What you are advocating for is a happy, altruistic government that is pure and virtuous and would never take advantage of the people or lead them astray. Show me one example in history of such a government on any appreciably large scale. You are asking for a babysitter to make all your decisions for you. Humans have been taking advantage of humans forever. The best way to fight this is to take personal responsibility for oneself, and responsibility for loved ones and friends, instead of playing the part of the hopeless victim, which is what you and acneslayer advocate.

Instead of informing people and asking them to fight for themselves and claim dominion over their bodies and health, you are simply bitching and moaning. I try to tell people to be proactive and preventative, and yet there are people like yourself, who number in the millions, who would rather be reactive and spend precious energy and effort complaining instead of committing to any course of action that would enact real change, either on a micro or macro scale.

I'm not saying that the government should be our babysitters. I'm saying that the government should do something about how unfairly the healthcare industry treats us Americans.

Yes, people need to be educated and take care of themselves, but people get sick no matter how well they take care of themselves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So, you think the only reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge? Anyways, this example is a non-sequitor. I am getting the feeling you are still a teenager. Would I be correct?

Yes, because I said, "OMG the ONLY reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge. They don't even work hard. Anyone could be a doctor. OMG."

Yes, I'm 18, and I'm also not a troll...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i do believe it is our responsibility to be healthy and do what is good for us. but there are many instances where its SO hard to. there are sooo many drugs out there that are prescribed to us and SO many food items and drinks that have so many unpronounceable names in the ingredients, literally, in like almost every food item in a grocery store. all this stuff is passed thru by the FDA saying yeah its fine for everyone. on that note, it is our responsibility, if u wana be healthy, to avoid a lot of this stuff. altho even fruits and veggies are preserved and genetically altered (by the way, there is no law that says they have to post which fruits n veggies are being genetically altered in stores). so its litereally goten to a point where u dunno WHAT ur eating when u eat food in stores ...its best to grow ur own food.altho thats hard to given that fact that a lot of ppl live in apts and/or work work work. lol its just so crazy.

also there are ways to go organic, it just takes a LOT more work and patience in order to find the stuff u need

Welcome to Life. It's hard and difficult. Always has been, always will be. No one is forcing you to do or eat anything you don't want to consume.

i can see your points but u come off as disrespectful/attitudey.

and all im saying is people SHOULD watch what they eat, cuz most the crap out there is horrible for our bodies, whether in the short term or long term.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Anyway, I am not a 100% sure how the system works and I don't know exactly WHO gets money from sick people. Of course doctors get paid, but they get paid not depending on the amount of sick people, so I was assuming it was like the government (who I'm pretty sure pays doctors).

Huh? How does the government pay doctors? Yes, medicare/medicaid will pay doctors, but if someone goes in to the doctor becasue they have a cold, how is the government involved in payment? Please explain because that makes no sense.

Secondly, to those saying that health is everyone's OWN responsibility, and that we shouldn't blame others. That is also not true, yes, people may have "choices" and "free will", but people are influenced and persuaded into so many bad things. Lets think of it this way, if a teacher told a bunch of kindergarten students that cheating was good, do you think the little kids would disagree. No, most would not, since they are very influenced by someone they believe tells the truth, which in turn makes them believe it.

So when a whole bunch of health officials say we are adding fluoride into out water for our teeth, families all over america believe that they are benefiting from this water, saving money on dental care and such. While, they are basically posisoning themselves.

Who's fault is that? The teacher is at fault for making the children believe that cheating is okay.

And the Govt is at fault (or whoever influences the government) is at fault for making us believe fluoride in water is for our teeth.

Adults aren't children.

Unless the child is an orphan, the child would have parents that set the basic value system and would, hopefully, teach them that cheating was wrong. If a teacher was truly telling children that cheating is wrong, then it would be the parents responsibility to alert the school administration who would reprimand the teacher. If not, then the parents can pull the child from that school, request a transfer to a different class, or tell the child that the teacher is not telling the truth. IN this case, responsibility is placed upon the parents because the child is too young to claim the entirety of responsibility, especially in the construction of a belief system. Anyways, your analogy is very poor. Also, your last sentence is extremely naive and illustrates your penchant to claim victimization. No one can make anyone believe anything. This is called Free Will.

Also, how about the vaccines. They use the "scare" tactic. If a parent tells their kid that if they stay up late, a monster is going to come, what does the kid do? He wants to sleep early, obviously because he is scared. So when health officials tell us to get a whole bunch of vaccines pumped into our growing immune systems because we could become "seriously" ill if we don't, parents are "scared" into getting their kids vaccines. So yes, it is our resposibility to look out for our health, but it is also the government and the pharmacy and the health people's resposiblity to guide us to a healthy lifestyle.

Vaccines have helped eradicate deadly diseases that have killed thousands upon thousands like polio and smallpox. If you have an issue with specific vaccines, be specific, then. Lumping them all together as monstrous creations without distinction is very naive. All you really are doing is fear-mongering, which is what you state the government does. How ironic.

And once again I don't know exactly how the system works and whether it is the work of the government or another group of large influence and power, but I do believe that their is another larger influencial group controlling the government and our society (call me crazy, but its what I personally believe).

Anyway, this is all for now, gotta go take a shower and hopefully will talk to you guys soon.

PS: noticed I became a Vet. member, haha, thats awesome. :)

So you think there is some mystery group with secret handshakes and decoder rings that control the government, yet you do not have the slightest idea who these mystery people might be? And you say I am naive. Quite the bizarro world in which we are living.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i do believe it is our responsibility to be healthy and do what is good for us. but there are many instances where its SO hard to. there are sooo many drugs out there that are prescribed to us and SO many food items and drinks that have so many unpronounceable names in the ingredients, literally, in like almost every food item in a grocery store. all this stuff is passed thru by the FDA saying yeah its fine for everyone. on that note, it is our responsibility, if u wana be healthy, to avoid a lot of this stuff. altho even fruits and veggies are preserved and genetically altered (by the way, there is no law that says they have to post which fruits n veggies are being genetically altered in stores). so its litereally goten to a point where u dunno WHAT ur eating when u eat food in stores ...its best to grow ur own food.altho thats hard to given that fact that a lot of ppl live in apts and/or work work work. lol its just so crazy.

also there are ways to go organic, it just takes a LOT more work and patience in order to find the stuff u need

Welcome to Life. It's hard and difficult. Always has been, always will be. No one is forcing you to do or eat anything you don't want to consume.

i can see your points but u come off as disrespectful/attitudey.

and all im saying is people SHOULD watch what they eat, cuz most the crap out there is horrible for our bodies, whether in the short term or long term.

I'm just blunt. I have been here six years (god, why do I still do this to myself, posting here?)

Complaining has become a national pass time, but it gets us no where. Sitting here feeling sorry for yourself because eating healthy is hard, or taking care of yourself is difficult, is just wasted effort and the sooner you get over that emotional roadblock, the better off you will be. Plus, the sooner you, or anyone, ditches the attitude of being a victim, the sooner they can embark on the road to self-empowerment and strive to live the life they deserve and want.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So, you think the only reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge? Anyways, this example is a non-sequitor. I am getting the feeling you are still a teenager. Would I be correct?

Yes, because I said, "OMG the ONLY reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge. They don't even work hard. Anyone could be a doctor. OMG."

Yes, I'm 18, and I'm also not a troll...

I never said you were a troll, but your age shows very clearly through your posts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i do believe it is our responsibility to be healthy and do what is good for us. but there are many instances where its SO hard to. there are sooo many drugs out there that are prescribed to us and SO many food items and drinks that have so many unpronounceable names in the ingredients, literally, in like almost every food item in a grocery store. all this stuff is passed thru by the FDA saying yeah its fine for everyone. on that note, it is our responsibility, if u wana be healthy, to avoid a lot of this stuff. altho even fruits and veggies are preserved and genetically altered (by the way, there is no law that says they have to post which fruits n veggies are being genetically altered in stores). so its litereally goten to a point where u dunno WHAT ur eating when u eat food in stores ...its best to grow ur own food.altho thats hard to given that fact that a lot of ppl live in apts and/or work work work. lol its just so crazy.

also there are ways to go organic, it just takes a LOT more work and patience in order to find the stuff u need

Welcome to Life. It's hard and difficult. Always has been, always will be. No one is forcing you to do or eat anything you don't want to consume.

i can see your points but u come off as disrespectful/attitudey.

and all im saying is people SHOULD watch what they eat, cuz most the crap out there is horrible for our bodies, whether in the short term or long term.

I'm just blunt. I have been here six years (god, why do I still do this to myself, posting here?)

Complaining has become a national pass time, but it gets us no where. Sitting here feeling sorry for yourself because eating healthy is hard, or taking care of yourself is difficult, is just wasted effort and the sooner you get over that emotional roadblock, the better off you will be. Plus, the sooner you, or anyone, ditches the attitude of being a victim, the sooner they can embark on the road to self-empowerment and strive to live the life they deserve and want.

im not playing the victim. its just how it is. and i can vent about how annoying it is=P i do my best to try and eat healthy and stay away from all the crap thats horrible for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So, you think the only reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge? Anyways, this example is a non-sequitor. I am getting the feeling you are still a teenager. Would I be correct?

Yes, because I said, "OMG the ONLY reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge. They don't even work hard. Anyone could be a doctor. OMG."

Yes, I'm 18, and I'm also not a troll...

I never said you were a troll, but your age shows very clearly through your posts.

So what if I'm young? That doesn't make my knowledge any less credible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So, you think the only reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge? Anyways, this example is a non-sequitor. I am getting the feeling you are still a teenager. Would I be correct?

Yes, because I said, "OMG the ONLY reason doctors make six figures is because hospitals overcharge. They don't even work hard. Anyone could be a doctor. OMG."

Yes, I'm 18, and I'm also not a troll...

I never said you were a troll, but your age shows very clearly through your posts.

So what if I'm young? That doesn't make my knowledge any less credible.

Well, the problem is that you do not seem to lending much knowledge to the discussion. Instead, you are just making strange assumptions like I am not an American citizen, which seems like cheap ad hominem.

Plus your somewhat bizarre cancer example was a very strange misrepresentation of my argument.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i do believe it is our responsibility to be healthy and do what is good for us. but there are many instances where its SO hard to. there are sooo many drugs out there that are prescribed to us and SO many food items and drinks that have so many unpronounceable names in the ingredients, literally, in like almost every food item in a grocery store. all this stuff is passed thru by the FDA saying yeah its fine for everyone. on that note, it is our responsibility, if u wana be healthy, to avoid a lot of this stuff. altho even fruits and veggies are preserved and genetically altered (by the way, there is no law that says they have to post which fruits n veggies are being genetically altered in stores). so its litereally goten to a point where u dunno WHAT ur eating when u eat food in stores ...its best to grow ur own food.altho thats hard to given that fact that a lot of ppl live in apts and/or work work work. lol its just so crazy.

also there are ways to go organic, it just takes a LOT more work and patience in order to find the stuff u need

Welcome to Life. It's hard and difficult. Always has been, always will be. No one is forcing you to do or eat anything you don't want to consume.

i can see your points but u come off as disrespectful/attitudey.

and all im saying is people SHOULD watch what they eat, cuz most the crap out there is horrible for our bodies, whether in the short term or long term.

I'm just blunt. I have been here six years (god, why do I still do this to myself, posting here?)

Complaining has become a national pass time, but it gets us no where. Sitting here feeling sorry for yourself because eating healthy is hard, or taking care of yourself is difficult, is just wasted effort and the sooner you get over that emotional roadblock, the better off you will be. Plus, the sooner you, or anyone, ditches the attitude of being a victim, the sooner they can embark on the road to self-empowerment and strive to live the life they deserve and want.

im not playing the victim. its just how it is. and i can vent about how annoying it is=P i do my best to try and eat healthy and stay away from all the crap thats horrible for me.

Good. That's all you can do while continuing to educate yourself and find out what works best for you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm exceedingly sorry that I misinterpreted what you were saying, but you did the same to me.

I wasn't whining that it's the government's responsibility to keep us healthy. I was saying it's their responsibility to protect us from the unethical over-charging of the healthcare industry.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would also like to mention that the USDA is the one who oversees the safety of all US foods, including organic.

Organic foods also use pesticides,they're just organic pesticides. Just because they're organic chemicals doesn't mean they're safe either. Copper,for example, is used in organic farming as a fungicide and it remains in soil forever. Copper in high doses is toxic. Another ORGANIC pesticide called rotenone is also a neurotoxin to humans and has been linked to Parkinson's disease.No matter what kind of produce you buy, you should always wash it and consume thin skinned fruits with moderation.

Now, it seems that if non-organic pesticides were carcinogenic(and I'm not saying they're not),then we'd see stomach cancer on the rise. Stomach cancer has actually fallen.

We of course have a little something called genetic modification to reduce pesticides, but people hate that for one fear-mongering reason or another as well.Try and fix peoples concerns, but they're never happy.

Tons of things have potential to cause cancer outside of food that I think it's extremely difficult to really pin it solely on food,though that is a huge factor I'm sure. Due to our increasing life-span it seems common sense to me as well that our overall cancer rates would rise because we have more opportunity to get it.

Oh and you might say the taste and nutrients is better in organic foods. If things are more fresh,they taste better. If things have been sitting out longer, then their nutrient content has been decreasing. It would only make sense that organic tastes better, though I do feel the placebo effect plays a part in this as well.

A lot of organic brands are also owned by big corporations. General Mills owns the Cascadian Farms brand, Kraft owns Back to Nature and Boca Burger, and Kellogg's owns Morningstar Farms.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/g...ord-818585.html

http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/health/cancerfs.htm

People rely more on fear-mongering than actual proven facts it seems, and while I admit I'm not thoroughly convinced that our food supply is 100% safe...I sure don't think it's complete garbage either. Any system you put in place will have benefits and consequences.NOTHING is perfect, but regulatory standards should always be worked on.

Obviously greasy cheeseburgers are unhealthy and should be consumed sparingly with a nice stretch of time between,obviously plant material has healthier fiber for you,obviously too much sugar (natural or not) causes health issues along with increased incidence of tooth decay. Make common sense decisions with your diet and experiment to see what works for you.

If you choose an organic lifestyle then I think that's dandy, but don't turn your nose up to the rest of us. Someone can eat a 100% organic paleo diet for their entire lives and still get arthritis,Alzheimers,cataracts and other diseases that come with age.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's true. sick people buy drugs that make them sick, and in turn those people buy more drugs the sicker they get.

Vaccines and fluoride, and the over use of anti biotics are alll used to dumb down the people so the government can more easily control them

sadly that's how it works.

This is what a system like we have here creates.

As always do your own research, I did mine and found out that I think it's true based off it.

Alex jones is a great source of information imo, he knows my about these things than anyone.

Edited by AthleticHunta

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So mostly @ arvienta

First of: Its our responsibility to be healthy. But its not our responsibility to find out whats healthy. Not everyone can put that much time in it. And there will be a lot of misinformation. The government needs to do that. (Not that they are doing a good job at it). If you let everyone find out what is healthy, which a lot wont and some will try to. You will end up with 10% knowing whats healthy 60% just eating junk food and even not knowing its unhealthy and 30% who also tried to find out whats healthy who think that AIDS is a hoax because person X told them so, or that you only should eat mangos. Or something crazy.

The doctors are making 6 figures because: 1. Its a hard job with a lot of needed education , which also costs a lot 2. Especially specialists and surgeons have a great responsibility. Treatments and cures are so expensive because the technology is expensive. A MRI scanner is more than a million dollars!

The government just tries there best at giving people advise on health. They think the food pyramid is a good health adviser because they have a lot of advisers/scientist/agencies telling them that. That some of those agencys like the USDA and FDA are corrupted with CEO's of food concerns is another thing. The government just doesnt know about this.

Changing the government would be good yes. But 1. its hard. And 2 what party do you want to vote on which increases the responsibility of people AND reduces corruption. Some kind of self made third party?

@athletic

First of medicine cures people! There has been a great decline in people dying from a lot of diseases especially by antibiotics. Vaccines also cure people. Without vaccines we would all die from a common flu! That it isnt that necessary anymore is because there is something called group immunity. which you are screwing up! THANKS!

And I did my own research. I had a bacterial infection in my foot. It was spreading and my foot didnt fit in my shoe anymore. It grew exponentially and in 1 week it would start reaching my organs and kill me. I received 1.5weeks of antibiotics and I was cured. It was either that, amputee my half leg or die.

To dump down people? Really!?!? Where are is area 52 , and alien reptile CEO's in your theory.

EDIT: also vaccines being linked to autism? Thats not true at all. That is based on one very badly executed study. Studies havent been able to replicate the results that study produced ever since.

Edited by joris ヘ(^_^ヘ)(ノ^_^)ノ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

^_^)ノ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (joris ヘ(^_^ヘ)(ノ^_^)ノ @ Mar 26 2011, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->sigh, no its just that the advisors of the government is a bit biased toward the big pharma and that a lot of studies are done wrong on purpose. The government just think its good for tooth decay and not bad for health. The same goes with the food pyramid. No one is trying to dumb down anybody. Last time I checked it is better for a country when people can think , and are smarter so they can get more money into the country.

Edited by rifkah6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why would they? Because their "more credential" advisers claim that it isnt unhealthy. Ok there is probably some corruption. But they are not trying to dump people down.

EDIT: And just think of this: In Europe there isnt a big pharma controlling governments. And there is almost no corruption like that. And here they also use vaccines, anti-biotics and have almost the same food pyramid. Ok no fluoridation. And no GMO's. But the lack of those are also partly due to the citizens' protesting.

Edited by joris ヘ(^_^ヘ)(ノ^_^)ノ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In response to Joris

First of: Its our responsibility to be healthy. But its not our responsibility to find out whats healthy. Not everyone can put that much time in it. And there will be a lot of misinformation. The government needs to do that. (Not that they are doing a good job at it). If you let everyone find out what is healthy, which a lot wont and some will try to. You will end up with 10% knowing whats healthy 60% just eating junk food and even not knowing its unhealthy and 30% who also tried to find out whats healthy who think that AIDS is a hoax because person X told them so, or that you only should eat mangos. Or something crazy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It's true. sick people buy drugs that make them sick, and in turn those people buy more drugs the sicker they get.

Vaccines and fluoride, and the over use of anti biotics are alll used to dumb down the people so the government can more easily control them

sadly that's how it works.

This is what a system like we have here creates.

As always do your own research, I did mine and found out that I think it's true based off it.

Alex jones is a great source of information imo, he knows my about these things than anyone.

Alex Jones is a radio host,actor,and filmmaker. How does that make him an authority on anything you believe in? He's a conspiracy theorist.

I think what is dumbing people down today is the complete lack of understanding of how science works. You are a prime example of why the educational system is failing.

Vaccines and flouride have been *linked* to health risks,though most things can be linked to some health concern,but you are taking it to a whole new level by saying it is a method of mind control? That's an absurd accusation.

Let me tell you what IS pretty influential: Fear mongering. You don't grasp the science behind something,so it makes you vulnerable to uncertainty. Some bat-shit crazy conspiracy theorist then preys upon your ignorance and convinces you of something completely untrue and you then idolize him because he makes you feel "safe" with his information.

If you get a life threatening illness are you going to let yourself die because you think medicine is bad?

The government is screwed up in a lot of ways,but it's a complete idealistic fantasy to ever think you can fix all of any governments issues. Utopia will never exist.I do think it should be worked on, but I don't think it's as simple as buying solely from your organic market. Especially since,as I listed previously, big corporations own quite a few organic brands and the safety of organic pesticides can also be linked to a bunch of health risks. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

Safety tests done by the EPA,FDA,USDA,etc could always use improvement.

One such area where I think needs improvement on the system is GMO's. Genetically modified foods can benefit the human species in so many ways.It's truly a huge leap for us,and it's something I'm quite proud of. I feel the health concerns are very negligible since they use isolated genomes so they don't carry over undesirable traits.However, Monsato does keep knowledge of their products pretty hush hush and they can also say it's to protect their assets from competitors. I think one company lording over GMO's slows down the progress we can make with these. You're not even allowed to take a genetically modified vegetable by Monsato and study it without their permission to publish the study's results. That doesn't mean it's unsafe,mind you, just an example of greed. Then there is the spreading of GMO seeds,which is problematic to farmers...and I think that is pretty sad too.

I think nearly all profitable businesses are capable of doing greedy things,and maybe they do have some control over the FDA, but I don't think organic businesses are any different. Not purchasing something is not going to change capitalism. Government-ran regulations are better than not regulating anything at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Personalized Advice Quiz - All of Acne.org in just a few minutes

×