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Hey all,

EDIT: Preface: I have decided to change this topic into a cumulative, experiment report.

In this topic, I have characterized Cyclic Fall/Winter Acne (the FW Cycle) as a moderate/severe acne break out cycle that occurs durring the Fall/Winter Season. This topic and report is devoted to finding the nature of and a possible, effective treatment for a reccuring acne symptom, the FW Cycle. In this report, I (and perhaps any willing volunteer acne.org-board-members) will propose and test treatments for this type of acne cycle.

The purpose of this report is to:

-log the results of experiments that will be proposed, discussed, and conducted in this message board topic.

-and, hopefully, ultimately find a way to cure the FW Cycle.

The results and conclusions are placed at the end of this post.

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I'm starting to break out massively again but I think I'm beginning to see a pattern. I'm looking to see if anyone else is on the same boat as I am; and if there are people like me, maybe we can pin point a cause and find a way to solve this stupid problem for ever. :]

I've been experiencing major breakouts during this time of year (Late Fall/ Early Winter) for the past couple of years (prior to 3 years, I generally experienced very mild acne). The pattern is as follows:

-I start/continue to break out (whiteheads, pustules, some nodules and cysts) massively during the months of: Oct, Nov, Dec

-New pimples/cysts/pustules stop forming but scabs/dark patches of skin remain on my face during the months of: Jan, Feb, Mar

-I have very clear skin approximately during the months of: Apr through Sept

-and the cycle repeats.

This info may be useful:

I am a 20 y/o asian male in college. I live in new england where the seasons change drastically. as mentioned before, prior to 3 years (before starting college), I generally experienced very mild acne and was relatively clear - even during winter.

Also, during the clear phase, my skin is oily - especially during the summer; yet I do not break out at all (or have one or 2 minimal pimples).

Unfortunately I did pick/mess with my face previous years (resulting in a bit of scaring last year). This year I'm trying not to mess with it at all.

I want to rule out:

-stress as I am equally as stressful during both fall and spring semesters;

-food as I try to be as healthy as humanly possible all year round;

-the cold since Jan/Feb is as cold if not colder than Dec (although this does not rule out the changing of the climate from warm to cold)

[i say "want to rule out" because I can't totally be sure of it..]

I did not keep good records of these patterns until last year.

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So if your symptoms are similar please feel free to comment. In fact, I would really appreciate it!

I am curious as to and would like to hear about:

-If there are Similarities and/or Differences between my situation and yours. (ie. how long ago did you first experience this cycle, severity, time frame)

-And what you've done/tried out to stop this vicious cycle

-Theories as to what you may attribute this cycle to

-And any other comments/questions you may have

Please post in detail; I'm trying to understand all I can about this situation. I feel the more we know the closer we are to solving this problem once and for all. Together maybe we can find the cause(s) and figure a way to stop this affliction once and for all.

Thats all for now, Thanks!!

CM :]

ps. Will update more if I get responses from people with similar experiences.

pps. I originally posted this topic in the severe acne section thinking that Pustules were Nodules.

EDIT: Please reply in the format listed above; makes it easier for me to see/log stuff; Thx! :]

EDIT: Changed topic into report. Pre-face added.

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This section will be devoted to theories and corresponding experiments:

Format is as follows:

Experiment #

a) Theory

b) Experiment Details

c) Conclusion

d) Other Comments

e) Contributor

Experiment 1:

a)Lack of Hydration

b)Drink 6 full cups of water every day, Cetaphil 15 SPF Moisturizer every morning

c)-Still Testing-

d)-Still Testing-

e)Cookey Monster

Experiment 2:

a)Poor Diet

b)Eat healthy; avoid fast food

c)-Still Testing-

d)-Still Testing-

e)Cookey Monster

Edited by CookeyMonster

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Honestly, I have exactly the same problem, cycle as you!

I just recently started breaking out about a month ago and it's getting worse everyday. I had almost no acne during the summer!

I just don't know what to do any more. I think I should take Accutane, but I really don't want to.

EDIT: A bit more info

I'm 17 years old male and had moderately-severe acne since 15 years old, the worst being when I was 16. I'm alternating with differen 0.3% and clindoxyl gel overnight.

Some thing that may of affected my acne also.

-Face has been drier than in the summer

-Diet changed from eating extremely health, to snaking on sweets and junk food, all in less than a month

-Started taking multi-vitamins around the time of breaking out.

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Edited by Lakers247

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I just want to add to this because I have pretty much the same problem and am hoping people on these boards can shed some light.

I am also in the northeast and around this time of year (late oct/early nov) I start breaking out terribly. I have had my first cysts in several months and the overall state of my face is a mess. I can't help but attribute this to the cold as it seems like the most obvious reason. Cookey Monster, as to your point about not blaming the cold because the breakouts stop in jan/feb, I think you're wrong (at least for me). A somewhat similar thing happens to me but I suspect it is because my face/skin adjusts to the change in climate. My skin prefers the hot, humid summer because it is dry and sensitive. When the winter rolls around, or even the fall, it is not prepared for the cool, dry air. It produces too much oil, or too little, too much in one place, not enough in another. After a few months, it begins to adjust and regulate itself to function better (I should note that I have no scientific or even anecdotal evidence to prove my point, it just seems to make sense).

I am at the point where, after having this experience for several years now, I am ready to conclusively blame the change in humidity/temperature that comes with the cold weather. The question then becomes how to deal with it. My problem is, even though I can moisturize, my skin does not like a lot of products and generally breaks out more the more I apply.

Sorry for the long post and I don't want to hijack your thread but I do have a question for anyone who can answer: I've started moisturizing a lot and my skin has been recovering but my jawline is breaking out pretty badly. Is this because it is getting too greasy? Should I keep moisturizing and hope that it adjusts? Any ideas?

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Yes.. replies!

@All: I have updated the topic post; tell me what you think.. (please tell me if I wasn't clear on anything)... my idea was to get everyone working together by having people try different things to accelerate the finding of the best 'cure' (by lowering any duplications of experiments and thereby increaseing efficiency... science! Lol)

@ Lakers247:

Similarities: Cyclic Pattern, FW Cycle started Oct, Progressively degenerative

Differences: Cycle start at the age of 15, currently 17

Currently Trying: alternating with differen 0.3% and clindoxyl gel overnight.

Theories: Lack of facial moisture in Fall/Winter period, Poor diet, Multi-vitamins

Ideas for treatment: Accutane

Hey! Maybe moisture is the problem; I will test this out. I have a decent diet. I also take multi-vitamins.

@ kimball:

Similarities: Northeast region, FW Cycle starts at late Oct, Several years, Skin sensitivity(?)

Theories: Cold, Adjustment/Regulation Problem, Change in humidity/temperature

Tried: moisturize.. [sensitivity issue]

Hey kimball! Hm.. I'm no expert, by any means, I'm just trying to use what I learned from highschool Bio XD. btw, what hi-jacking? I see none :] infact, I feel like I need all the info I can get.

My skin is super sensitive in this stage of the cycle, I don't know if you feel the same way but in any case, I use Cetaphil 15 SPF moisturizer because I was told that Cetaphil is known for its benign behavior on sensitive skin. I've used it since summer with a intermittent pause during Oct. Ifeel as if it has either a minimally positive or no effect; nonetheless, I still apply it since I haven't experienced any bad effects.

Hope this helps!!!

As a side note, I've been recently put on: 2.5 BP gel + cetaphil SPF 15 (Morning) and 0.025 Tretinoin gel (night).

Thx all,

CM

ps. please feel free to propose ideas for experiments and if you're willing try them on your selves... be sure to log/report info! Thx again!

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I've heard that your skin is "thicker" in the winter and that's why there is so much dead skin build up and extra dry skin which causes major break outs. Exfoliation is key or a good Ret. Summer is supposedly when your skin is thinner but def. more oily.

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Anyone want to test out: Baking Soda?

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/7-Months-Clear-t196753.html

Although romey does not have our same skin type, she uses it to treat whiteheads and pustules. I thought I might be worth a try. I have recently been put on Tretinoin and BP, so I probably wont be testing this one out.

Also I've been looking into this one too: A True Hollistic approach

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/true-holi...27#entry2569027

This one also mentions using baking soda... but less frequently.

Let me know your thoughts. :]

CM

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You should probably get your Vitamin D levels tested; a deficiency can affect your skin, and you don't really get any vitamin D during the New England fall/winter due to the high latitude and the position of the sun.

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I just want to add to this because I have pretty much the same problem and am hoping people on these boards can shed some light.

I am also in the northeast and around this time of year (late oct/early nov) I start breaking out terribly. I have had my first cysts in several months and the overall state of my face is a mess. I can't help but attribute this to the cold as it seems like the most obvious reason. Cookey Monster, as to your point about not blaming the cold because the breakouts stop in jan/feb, I think you're wrong (at least for me). A somewhat similar thing happens to me but I suspect it is because my face/skin adjusts to the change in climate. My skin prefers the hot, humid summer because it is dry and sensitive. When the winter rolls around, or even the fall, it is not prepared for the cool, dry air. It produces too much oil, or too little, too much in one place, not enough in another. After a few months, it begins to adjust and regulate itself to function better (I should note that I have no scientific or even anecdotal evidence to prove my point, it just seems to make sense).

I am at the point where, after having this experience for several years now, I am ready to conclusively blame the change in humidity/temperature that comes with the cold weather. The question then becomes how to deal with it. My problem is, even though I can moisturize, my skin does not like a lot of products and generally breaks out more the more I apply.

Sorry for the long post and I don't want to hijack your thread but I do have a question for anyone who can answer: I've started moisturizing a lot and my skin has been recovering but my jawline is breaking out pretty badly. Is this because it is getting too greasy? Should I keep moisturizing and hope that it adjusts? Any ideas?

Shame really that this post is inactive. I have this EXACT problem, clear all spring and summer, crap during the winter months.

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Eat mushrooms they have lots of vitamin D. Keep exercising even though it sucks in the cold. Drink more water dry air makes us dehydrate much faster. Keep you hair short like in the summer

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It looks like this is old, but maybe people are still checking it! This happens to me, too. It also seems like my skin has a general dislike of extreme seasons - my skin is pretty good during spring and fall, at its worst in the winter, and a little bad at parts in the summer. I also think that it has to do with the lack of moisture in the winter air.

My background:

25 yo Female

No acne until age 20 - really perfect skin until then

Since then, it seems semi-hormonal and very affected by the winter

One thing I've been doing that seems to be helping is using Manuka honey when I get home from work, to kind of feed my skin some moisture. I also got some Mizon snail gel to help with my skin's moisture - it is a really great unscented gel, and it doesn't irritate my skin at all. It really helps it to calm down. This seems to be helping a lot - I'm not getting the awful seasonal breakouts on my cheeks so far except for a couple of strays, which is a damn miracle.

This winter, I may invest in a humidifier for my room. I'll also be focusing on moisturizing and being uber gentle with my skin and drinking more water, which is a huge departure from previous winters - normally I would apply BP every night and most mornings, wash with a salicylic acid wash, and then pretty much neglect moisturizer. Here's to hoping this works. I'll post again at the end of the winter at the very least to say how it's going!

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Female, 20 yo, mild acne, worse during period, but controllable with Glytone Non-Irritating Formula.

This is the second year in a row that I have had worsened acne starting in early-mid November. However, my face is not affected by the seasons and is steady year-round, just little zits that aren't red or able to be popped for the most part. The acne I get during fall/winter months is on my upper back primarily and some on my chest. On my back, the acne is more persistent and sore than the worst ones I experience on my face, but is not cystic acne. They seem to appear overnight and during the day and are almost immediately white on top/"ready to pop" (although I don't pop any of it and try not to ever touch it.) They are only on my upper back and it is not due to shampoo/conditioner, hair length, hydration, diet, cleanliness of clothes/towels, and I use a scrubby in the shower so I'm fairly confident that my skin is mildly exfoliated regularly. I have resorted to buying a spray bottle and filling it with one part water one part organic apple cider vinegar like I did last year and spraying it on my back and chest throughout the day, which 1. stinks up my bathroom and 2. burns all the surrounding skin that isn't covered in acne. It usually clears up around late December/mid January and the scars remain for about a month. All Spring and Summer and most of Fall my skin is clear. I saw a recommendation to check Vitamin D levels...maybe a supplement would do the trick?

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Hi everyone i will be so grateful if someone can help me in this i am 19 now and for recent 2 months i am suffering from pimples breakout it all started with upper lip area pimple and then on chin and now on lower cheeks too i had this break out last year in january but i took some medicine for month and it went away in a month i think that was some antibiotic but i didnt use it for more than a month still i had supper clear skin for a year and now i am breaking out again from april and its july already what is going on plz help me will this breakout end up?

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