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Why all the denial about acne and masturbation?

Heya everyone,

I know, I know... this has been discussed so many times on each and every acne forum. I just cannot understand why scientists DENY any correlation between the two, yet they do believe that excessive androgen flow in the bloodstream stimulates the sebaceous glands which by itself increases the oil production, now THIS IS PROVEN, right?

So why can't sex/masturbation break you out? when you're an aroused teenager, your body tends to release shitload of testosterone.

Elevation of testosterone levels in the bloodstream is KNOWN to cause breakouts, and I am speaking of males here.

For females, masturbation tends to clear up their complexion a bit as their body releases estrogen during sexual arousals, elevation in estrogen eliminates high testosterone levels in the blood. some use BC pills for this problem.

Anyway, for those who deny this problem, can you give me a reasonable excuse of why sex has nothing to do with acne? please do not tell me it's a normal thing, I DO know it's normal, eating food is also normal, stressing out is a normal thing as well, why accept those as acne causers but not accept masturbation as one? perhaps because most(and if not ALL) of us masturbate and cannot quit? and don't tell me scientists concluded that it's just a myth made up by some religious people, scientists did NOT say ejaculation doesn't cause acne, they just couldn't prove that it may cause breakouts YET, just like how they couldn't prove that the AIDS is caused by the HIV, and how diet has something to do with acne. I guess those scientists who have denied it are probably hardcore wankers who are into denial... I too tell myself that it won't break me out when I do it you know.

I did a research at school a while ago about this subject and I did prove it to every guy in my class, I showed them how my face IMPROVES without sex/masturbation. and I also showed them how dull my face looks with daily masturbation.

This can be summed up as follows:

ejaculation -> increased testosterone -> increased DHT conversion -> MORE OIL.

And for those who suffer of this masturbation-acne condition, check this out: do not masturbate for two weeks, notice how your WHOLE body's oil will become normal, also notice the difference between the hairloss during a chronic-masturbation period and a period where you just forget your friend.

This is called puberty, I guess.

and I am not religious nor am I against masturbation, in fact I used to think of masturbation as a stress reliever but with the breakouts the relief became temporary, as soon as I start seeing the breakouts I get swallowed into a dull dark world.

I really hate the fact that I breakout from masturbating daily, it's really frustrating and the fact that a lot of derms refuse to even listen does not help at all. :wall:

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Ejaculation does not raise androgen production, whatsoever, in males. The only possible link to ejaculation and acne is when anyone is physically active, the adrenal glands will produce several hormones that cause an increase in sebum production - but it is very, very minimal. You would basically have to uhh...be in the act for hours at a frantic pace for it to make a difference.

I just browsed your journal. Come on - you have a ton of other crap in your regimen BESIDES the cessation of masturbation. I'm willing to bet any amount that if you did nothing except stop masturbation, you would still have acne.

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Avron, you've mentioned in another thread that different people are affected by the sex-acne link in different ways.

However, you then list this:

"This can be summed up as follows:

ejaculation -> increased testosterone -> increased DHT conversion -> MORE OIL."

Which, clearly, as a 'scientific' statement therefore cannot be applied to some and not others.

If this was true, then a hell of a lot more people would be going around with acne.

Also, going back to your posts in another thread on this, which were on the link between sex and acne -- I've noticed that the debate you've started here has no mention of actual sex, focusing only on masturbation. Am I to assume you believe there's a difference between each of the two and how they affect acne, in that case?

Here, I've devised my very own 'scientific' evaluation of the debate - well, about as scientifically credible as yours, anyway:

masturbation > guilt > blame yourself for the acne.

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LOL, fighting is bad.

There really can't be a link because the elevations in any of that stuff are quite minimal when compared to the amount of the hormone that would affect sebum production.

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LOL, fighting is bad.

There really can't be a link because the elevations in any of that stuff are quite minimal when compared to the amount of the hormone that would affect sebum production.

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Look at these people. They are trying to justify their masturbation habbit. They seem like feel so guilty.

If you don't think masturbation causes increased oil production, then believe so, but don't try to convince someone because you really haven't done any research yourself. Isn't that more scientific?

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That's quite a experiment. Jack off and measure skin level oilyness.

Not everything can be experimented because of the time issue; but I'm sure you'd love to test this one.

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I stopped updating my regimen crap. I am just following Dan's at the moment, it sort of is working(at least I am hoping it is.) smile.gif

Anyway I've done lots of experiments, I've noticed whenever I wake up after a night of maturbation, my face gets soaked with oil, sure it wasn't as bad as it was couple of years ago, but there's still lots of oil. and yes I do get acne when I don't masturbate, but NOTHING compared to when I masturbate, I can get totally clear in a very short time. I was when I had school anyway as I had no time for masturbation.

Currently SOME doctors are finally getting convinced with the idea of masturbation causing acne, they decided to call it 'chronic masturbation' you can search for it online and see for yourself, there is an obvious link between the two, I am not quiet sure what exactly happens to my skin after I ejaculate, but whatever it is, it seems to be harmful. Perhaps some bodies cannot put up with the sudden hormonal changes?

Ejaculation may not increase testosterone level that much, but for a teenager whose going through puberty; it is known that SOME will have a bit of hormonal rages.

Anyway, physical activity does not seem to affect me at my acne at all, it's just the 'ejaculation' part, right after I ejaculate I start feeling whiteheads developing, and no I wouldn't feel guilty if I didn't breakout afterwards, I used to masturbate since I was 13, I started to realize that I breakout right after ejaculation at the age of 17, I didn't care back then but as I grew I started to care about my looks more and yeah, you know how it goes from there.

Again, you guys may not be affected by this, but if you do a search on any acne forums, you'll notice that I am not the only one who gets this acne this way. just do a small search and see for yourself.

The only thing that I don't understand is why some people start bashing you when you tell them that you breakout from masturbation, it's like a taboo or something, there are people out there who claim chocolate breaks them out yet no one cares, others claim that the sun breaks them out and still no one cares...

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I don't have to justify my masturbation habit. I like it, it feels damn good and since I don't have a girlfirend I masturbate. Even If I did have someone to have sex with,I'd masturbate. tongue.gif

The thing is that getting aroused raises testosterone leveles, so masturbating and getting off should then be good for you acne, because masturbating will end your arousal, right?

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Ok. Now you say masturbation helps cure your acne.

We should stop this argument. It's just so stupid.

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cynic,

sex and masturbation both break me out. there's no difference between the two, basically if I do them more than once a week, I am broken out terribly.

ano,

I never said masturbating helped me clear up, the whole point of the post is to find others with similar problem.

Sam_the_man, I thought the same, after you get off, your hormones should drop. I still don't understand why that doesn't work right for everyone though, I've read an interesting article about hormones not being flushed out correctly. I still don't know why ejaculation brings those demons out.

I am hoping I'd find someone who knows what to do, I've found someone on another forum that recommended vitamin B5, I didn't bother using it for a long period because it was too expensive, and taking more than 10 pills a day doesn't sound right.

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Look, no beating around the bush here. There is NO link whatsoever, its all in your head - ejaculation actually lowers testosterone levels and then it normalizes for a period of time. When one ejaculates a hormone called prolactin rises sharply, which will in turn lower testosterone. It will normalize like I mentioned before during a period of time - it won't become elevated. That is ridiculous.

Your theory doesn't match reality in the slightest.

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Ejaculation actually increases testosterone levels instantly. I read from scientific research journal and textbook. I don't know where you are getting such info from. It seems like you are the one who are trapped all in your head.

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Avron! I agree with you 100%. It DEFINATLEY causes break outs for me... everytime. It seems to be the only thing that does infact. But it hard to stop becuase if you try and hold back, you wake up in a mess anyway :sick: which still makes you break out... argh!

I blame the girls for making me so fucking horny.

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Ejaculation actually increases testosterone levels instantly. I read from scientific research journal and textbook. I don't know where you are getting such info from. It seems like you are the one who are trapped all in your head.

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Avron! I agree with you 100%. It DEFINATLEY causes break outs for me... everytime. It seems to be the only thing that does infact. But it hard to stop becuase if you try and hold back, you wake up in a mess anyway  :sick: which still makes you break out... argh!

I blame the girls for making me so fucking horny.

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If I am already horny and my roger is reaching out of my pants, I think it would do more harm than good if I didn't give it a good fap. I don't necessarily think that acne and masturbation have anything in common, but just sexual activity, period. It's not about how many times you fap, it's about how many raging boners or frozen nipples you get.

The above information was pulled right out of my ass, but those are my views on the issue.

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Avron agree 100%, I'm amazed at the immaturity of some of the remarks people have made (especially the first, after your nicely put together entry to start this thread off).

Basically for me, masturbation affects my acne, and there is nothing I can do about it, (though interestingly I read someone suggesting a zinc supplement..) except reduce my masturbation. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever there is a correlation between the two. WHATSOEVER. I say to anyone who has any doubts, just stop for a week or two and look at yourself... if anyone's unwilling to do that, then I would suggest that they are so 'hooked' that anything the write in this thread is bound to be warped....

Having moved down for a gap year and started work with a company after school, I have broken away from my usual nightly 'activities', going for weeks without masturbation, and my acne has visually improved remarkably.

I think it's just one of these things, that whilst is the case, you just have to put up with... :/ a few spots here and there really is something that you learn to live with..

I think it's important to experiment to find a suitable frequency for masturbation, I think that perhaps (for me) no more than 3 times a week is ok... but I don't really let my skin get to me to be honest, though outright denial of the correlation between these two things does irritate me somewhat...

I think bottom line is, try it and see for yourself, if you can't do that then don't try and justify your actions with all this 'lots more people would have acne / famous pornstars would have acne stuff'...

Simply, masturbation affects hormone levels, hormone levels affect acne. Period (heh).

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AGAIN. Masturbation does NOT INCREASE ANDROGEN LEVELS.

Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence.

Exton MS, Kruger TH, Bursch N, Haake P, Knapp W, Schedlowski M, Hartmann U.

Institut fur Medizinische Psychologie, Universitatsklinikum Essen, Germany. [email protected]

This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

PMID: 11760788 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

It this discussion done? Thank you then. This study shows that abstinence actually increases testosterone levels (which makes sense, since sperm count after prolonged abstinence will be high.), while orgasm doesn't change testosterone levels.

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