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12% TCA permanently ruined my face. I can't stop crying..

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Hi - I'm new (unfortunately) and really really need some advice

I did a LIGHT peel (12% tca) 2 months ago to get rid of some residual scarring (which was pretty minor). My skin is now completely destroyed and I can't look in the mirror anymore without being reduced to tears. This is a very real possibility and can happen to anyone for no apparent reason...Let my experience be a warning to you guys considering a chemical peel. I did everything by the book, perfect application, frosting, peeled without picking at all, kept moisturized - I didn't do anything WRONG. What was waiting for me underneath the dead skin was something I was not prepared to see...I'm not saying they can't help people because they can and do help many, but for people with oily skin - this peel can and will destroy your face.

Pre peel my skin was generally smooth with a few shallow soft rolling scars on my cheek. Post peel I now have massive pores, Horrendous ORANGE PEEL skin texture and what looks like 2nd degree burns on my cheeks. (And did I mention it made my existing scars DEEPER?)

My skin now has a very shiny texture but not in a good way.. It's raised and bumpy in some areas and it almost looks like tiny pimples in between my pores but they aren't, and they don't go away.

Everything just looks so uneven now and destroyed. The peel gave me broken capillaries all over my cheeks, I can't go outside for 5 minutes without my whole face turning red.. EVERYTHING scars my skin now, when before a pimple would heal with a red mark - it now 'heals' with a dent or shallow indentation left behind, regardless of how tiny the pimple was. So not only am I suffering the scars from the peel itself, any small breakouts I have gotten since continues to add to that..

I went into this peel as a gorgeous 23 year old girl with acceptable skin, I seriously look like I'm 45 now with this texture and I've been a serious depression ever since this happened.... I don't know what to do... How to ever be happy again... I guess I'm just looking for a glimmer of hope that this might one day get better? Has anyone gotten orange peel face from a peel and months-years later, recovered? I woulden't be so devastated if I didn't think it was permanent so maybe someone can shed some light on this. I'll take pics if you guys want but it's not pretty... Please someone who's gone through this, talk to me!

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I'd go to a plastic surgeon for her/his opinion. Continue taking good care of your skin by gentle cleansing once or twice a day.

Seems like the TCA was stronger than 12% as 12% by itself will not generally frost when applied in one layer. It sounds like you may have had a deeper peel than you intended that revealed the worse scarring underneath the topmost layer; this type of orange peel texture sometimes gets revealed in deep exfoliative techniques, but can be corrected over time in many cases.

NO sun exposure! Wear sunscreen.

Good luck and remember that you're your own worst critic and that no doubt no one sees your skin in the same bad way you do.

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hmm, you sure you got that from a 12%. unless you left it on for a really long time or put tonnes of the stuff on, i doubt its able to cause that much damage. at the same time everyones skin is different. pictures would be great? im sure you look fine.

if it does turn out its bad, yeah maybe some glycolic or sacrylic peels along with copper peptides will be the answer. im using them now, not seeing any dramatic results yet (3 weeks in), but they say if you give it 6-12 months and be steady with it, it should lead to some okay results. better than none yeah :)

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oh if it helps, if your skin has a shiny texture, thats usually a sign of healing skin. so it means you'll probably only look better than how you do now, if you give it time.

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sorry to read about your situation. I'd echo the person above and go see a dermatologist at once. Don't even wait but make an appointment ASAP.

let me ask you, did you build yourself up first before going with the TCA peel? It's best to start out light with maybe some glycolic before moving on to a deeper peel like TCA. It's called prepping the skin and can take several months. Should never start out with just TCA.

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sounds like a nightmare. I cried and cried when I first got my horrible scars, then I tried to get rid of them through a peel, it was just a light one, but it made it worse. I don't like peels in general. Don't do anymore in my opinion, not any acid at all. I've had shiny scar tissue get better in time, if it is completely white it usually won't change, but shiny generally will with thim. Orange peel texture can get tons better too, after a year I bet you look alot better. It takes the skin about a year to settle down when there is scarring. Skin always changes, just know yours will get better and rebuild from this point with proper care, nutrition, and positive outlook.

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Make sure you wear plenty of sun block when you go out for now. I too would highly recommend finding a good doctor and ask them what they think can be done. I'm pretty sure your problem can probably be corrected with some time.

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Wow sounds like some horrible news.

How many peels have you done and how long have you left it on for?

Hang in there, your skin can only get better. Remember to moisturize like crazy w/ spf if going outside. Go see a dermatologist too.

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Thanks for all the quick replies guys..

Hmm.. Interesting I didn't know a 12% shouldn't frost, It definitely did on my face, Not stark white or anything but it was a greyish color. I don't know if I can post the brand but it was Anais Gorgeous Peel (lol - pretty ironic) and it was listed to be around 11-12% . I didn't prep my skin before the peel whatsoever, infact I never used serums with AHA really ever.. So that might have been my fault but this peel was considered a 'lunch' peel and for such a light peel I didn't know it would have mattered. My problem is I don't know what my skin NEEDS at this point because its very confusing even to look at. To elaborate more, under overhead lighting with my head tilted back, like I said the surface is bumpy and the tissue around some scars/pores is actually inflamed, giving it that orange peel/uneven texture. In some areas its not matte like normal skin would look but shiny like scar tissue. I generally have oily skin.. but since the peel whenever I try to put concealer on my face, even over moisturizer, almost immediately It starts looking very chaffed and tons of little white flakes appear which I sometimes have to tweeze off (disgustinggg I know). But that tells me my skin is still shedding since the peel, and has continued to.. Then again I haven't been abrasive at all and haven't used ANY scrubs in 2 months since the peel because I'm scared of making it worse.. So maybe this is what happens to skin you don't manually exfoliate? I feel like the whole texture was the result of OVER exfoliation with the peel, so I'm really hesitant to do any of that. Going to a derm isn't really going to help me, She won't be able to offer me any treatment I don't already know about (and I refuse to do anything like a Laser or peel again).

All I'm doing now is using zinc oxide on burnt looking parts b/c I heard it helps thicken back the epidermis, and I'm going to start red light therapy in a couple days. Taking tons of vitamins... I have done a couple saline injections spaced a couple weeks apart.. It doesn't really help anything long term, but it makes looking in the mirror tolerable for at least a couple days.. and I know it hasn't made anything worse.

Does anyone think needling could help?.. This is the only thing right now I'd consider.. It seems to have the fewest risks because your basically bypassing the epidermal layers and getting straight into the scar tissue..with a very very fine needle. I would only do this to individual scars and never entire areas...I actually needled a small scar on my jawline (wasnt touched by peel) about a week ago.. It's still red but the swelling has gone down and now it looks like the scar shallowed out in depth but widened a lil in surface space...So it just looks more stretched, but shallower... Is that what I can expect from needling boxcar type scars? They basically just morph into shallow rolling scars?

Heres a pic of the worst damage.. its at the only angle that really shows what I mean..

(the quality's really bad sorry) The ONLY PIMPLES in that area are the 2 red circles!

All those bumps have been there since the peel and I have no idea what they're doing

(are these Keloids??) You can't see them from looking straight ahead but only when I tilt my head back like in the pic. .. Notice how my pores look like craters.. My skin was never flawless but before this peel the surface was smooth.. I had normal sized pores, and those 3 scars massive scars are the only ones I had before this peel, everything else was waiting for me. It looks like I had terrrrrible acne, and I never did..

This is one of the biggest regrets of my life ...=(

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Does anyone think needling could help?.. This is the only thing right now I'd consider.. It seems to have the fewest risks because your basically bypassing the epidermal layers and getting straight into the scar tissue..with a very very fine needle. I would only do this to individual scars and never entire areas...I actually needled a small scar on my jawline (wasnt touched by peel) about a week ago.. It's still red but the swelling has gone down and now it looks like the scar shallowed out in depth but widened a lil in surface space...So it just looks more stretched, but shallower... Is that what I can expect from needling boxcar type scars? They basically just morph into shallow rolling scars?

Hi, I'm doing needling, and from what I have noticed, some scars initially get wider, but I think that the more you target it over a period of time- they level off eventually, and you should be left looking better. Needling is the only thing I consider worth doing these days for my scars, some have definitely improved.

As you said, you don't want to see a plastic surgeon or derm right now. Most won't offer you much help other than a peel or laser anyhow, like you said. Right now, I honestly think you just need to let your skin heal for a couple more months or longer before embarking on anything else.

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Does anyone think needling could help?.. This is the only thing right now I'd consider.. It seems to have the fewest risks because your basically bypassing the epidermal layers and getting straight into the scar tissue..with a very very fine needle. I would only do this to individual scars and never entire areas...I actually needled a small scar on my jawline (wasnt touched by peel) about a week ago.. It's still red but the swelling has gone down and now it looks like the scar shallowed out in depth but widened a lil in surface space...So it just looks more stretched, but shallower... Is that what I can expect from needling boxcar type scars? They basically just morph into shallow rolling scars?

Hi, I'm doing needling, and from what I have noticed, some scars initially get wider, but I think that the more you target it over a period of time- they level off eventually, and you should be left looking better. Needling is the only thing I consider worth doing these days for my scars, some have definitely improved.

As you said, you don't want to see a plastic surgeon or derm right now. Most won't offer you much help other than a peel or laser anyhow, like you said. Right now, I honestly think you just need to let your skin heal for a couple more months or longer before embarking on anything else.

outch, looks a bit like mine. they are definitely boxcar scars by the looks of them. i did some needling in the past/along with a strong tca (which you probably want to stay away from right now) and my scars definitely went shallower. do you think if you needled and used copper peptides theyd reduce much? im deciding whether to do it/risk months of redness again. grr :P

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Does anyone think needling could help?.. This is the only thing right now I'd consider.. It seems to have the fewest risks because your basically bypassing the epidermal layers and getting straight into the scar tissue..with a very very fine needle. I would only do this to individual scars and never entire areas...I actually needled a small scar on my jawline (wasnt touched by peel) about a week ago.. It's still red but the swelling has gone down and now it looks like the scar shallowed out in depth but widened a lil in surface space...So it just looks more stretched, but shallower... Is that what I can expect from needling boxcar type scars? They basically just morph into shallow rolling scars?

Hi, I'm doing needling, and from what I have noticed, some scars initially get wider, but I think that the more you target it over a period of time- they level off eventually, and you should be left looking better. Needling is the only thing I consider worth doing these days for my scars, some have definitely improved.

As you said, you don't want to see a plastic surgeon or derm right now. Most won't offer you much help other than a peel or laser anyhow, like you said. Right now, I honestly think you just need to let your skin heal for a couple more months or longer before embarking on anything else.

Maybe its because when people needle they're also needling the rim of the scar aswell, which would make it wider... I wonder if people just focused on JUST the inside of the deepest area, and don't touch the borders (like TCA cross) maybe it woulden't widen at all. . Just a thought. Soo how much improvement did you see in your scars? I have some very shallow rolling scars (even more since this nightmare) & most of them have a dark/shadowy pigment but they are SO close to level with my skin it makes no sense why they have a shadow at all.. Anyway, do you know if needling works for this type of scarring? Yeah I'm not planning on doing anything for at least a couple months... I guess I'm just planning ahead..Needlings the only thing I'd consider in the future anyway because based on my one needled scar, it does seem to have worked.

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I believe breaking the walls off the scarring, especially when it comes to icepick scars, is very important, even if it does make your scars slightly wider.

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There is only 1 solution to all this.

Book an appointment to see Dr Chu at Hammersmith Hospital and he will fix you up.

In future, do NOT apply TCA yourself, even if reading from a handbook. I think this is really silly. You need to see a qualified practioner who specialises in this.

I had around 7-8 TCA Cross treatments performed by Dr Chu and everyone improved the appearance of my scars.

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i'm sorry to hear about the scarring. acne and scarring are horrible. at least you didn't actually live through terrible acne and scarring since you were a teenager. maybe it's easier for those of us who have, because we've almost never had a chance to consider ourselves to be gorgeous

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PLEASE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO YOUR FACE RIGHT NOW.

Sorry for the caps but I think even considering anything right now is not a good idea.

I think you got a deep peel and your skin is still healing. Possibly they made a mistake with the percentage upon production. I don't think it is as bad as you may think since your skin looks irritated and slightly inflamed. Avoid using anything harsh right now and give it some time to heal up. I think it should go back to normal. I've done a few tca peels and even spot or cross treatments and the skin always looks worse for a few months then begins to rebuild.

Give it some time before you consider anything. Try and chill about it and remember stress can cause skin issues also. Peace.

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I must definitely share my story here too.... I feel so much sympathy to you, as I am currently going through similar tough time....

Today is 2 months since I had my deep peel with plastic surgeon. And I wish I never did it! First of all, I went through so much pain, phyisically and mentaly to achieve nothing , and just to get even worse skin than i had before peel! :ninja: the peel I had affected my life like nothing else did! For whole month I was hiding myself in my house from all the people I love, and I know, sometimes I thought I am really going crazy. This "doctor" who performed peel on me, also, did "temporal tuck" on my face leaving 2 big scars next to my ears....i was told that this scars will dissapear soon, aswell as redness within 6 weeks, but today is 2 months and this redness and scars are still here!!!! also, he didnt even out peel solution when he was putting it on my face, so i have red patches all over my face..... I am so f*cking pissed right now! And to make things worse, this "doctor" doesnt respond to my calls. I mean what the f**k man?!!! I cant even go out without putting make up on my face, and even when i put it , you can still see redness of my face throught it.....and when i am in room where is hot, my face gets like lobster red.....i really dont know what to do, i tryed almost all topicals, nothing really helps..... i ordered mederma to heal temporal tuck scars, still waiting for it..... its just warning to all of you out there who are considering this deep peel, if i knew what I am gonna go through for nothing, i would never even think about it!!! And please always be carefull when chosing doctor, dont repeat my mistake!! As you will probably get that temptation inside of you to kill him one day.....

Marko

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in dec 08 i did the same thing. chemical peel

did not heal. left what looks like a bruise covering

a huge portion of my left cheek. can id with self-image problems.

started rolling, led's, good topicals, rest, juicing, and its (finally)

healing. not really self-conscious about it much now. a year

ago i was miserable. now, its better than it was pre-chemical peel.

still healing, i'm happy with my progress and will continue with

current protocol.

it'll heal...... u just gotta think about the avenue you want to

pursue to begin the process. definately have youth on your side.

scoob

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Hi

I hope you see this post and reply. Same thing happened to my skin from a TCA 15% peel with the gross skin texture change. I had it done 3 months and Im so depressed. How are you doing - has your skin improved/healed and if so what did you do to help it along. I hope to hear from you.

Thanks and positive thoughts your way!

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I am experienceg bad orange peel texture from a tca peel 15% and retin a use - it has been three months so far and see no improvement - before this my pores were almost invisible except on my nose - I am so depressed over this feel I ruined my face - can it take months for skin to heal from a peel? Help How is your skin now - I hope healing - what are you using to help it?

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Hi Darlene (& Others),

The best thing to do to repair orange peel skin (i.e. severely dehydrated skin) is this:

1. Go "feral" (i.e. don't wash your skin for as long as you can tolerate i.e. at least 4 days but preferably 1 or 2 weeks or more at a time). The longer you allow your natural oils to rehydrate & repair your skin naturally, the quicker your skin will repair itself. NOTE: Dry skin can be a leading cause of scarring.

2. Eat a mostly raw organic, nutrient complete, wholefoods vegan diet (please research how to do this properly). Otherwise, go feral and do detox juicing 3 x per day until your skin texture improves.

Drink liver cleansing juices like:

Beetroot/ carrot/ apple/ ginger

or

Cucumber/ spinach leaves/ alfalfa sprouts/ apple/ celery.

3. Eat lots of good natural organic, cold pressed oils in your food EVERDAY like flaxseed oil, organic virgin coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil etc.

4. Eat lots of mixed raw nuts and mixed raw seeds daily.

5. Don't add any topicals to your face. However, once a month, you can apply fresh natural lime juice for a vitamin c skin boost (helps build collagen, brightens and refreshen skin --it's anti-aging). Also, on any spots, just add organic lavender oil directly on them (NB apply only on the spot, not on the entire face as it's too drying).

6. Add 100% pure natural vitamin e to you face after you wash it once or twice in the first month of going "feral".

7. Don't add anything to your skin. Not even glycolic acid. (Apart from things suggested or hydrating mineral makeup).

8. Apply gently (i.e. dab) pure natural vitamin e around your eyes daily and to your forehead daily. If you do this, you're wrinkles should disappear within 3-6 months. (Also, don't squint and don't raise your eyebrows too much).

9. Don't sunbake. However, do get at least 1/2hr to 1 hour of direct sunlight daily (without sunblock) for vitamin D. Only use sunblock if you're out in the sun ALL day.

10. Don't smoke, don't drink alcohol (or very rarely i.e. once or twice a year) and don't drink anything caffeinated (no coffee, no tea, no cola, no sodas). But you can drink herbal tisane's like chamomile tea.

11. Drink alkaline mineral/ spring water daily i.e. 8 glasses per day.

12. After 3 months, if you need more help. Try skin needling using the gentle but effective 0.75mm size novaderm needle from Clear Skincare Clinics with copper peptide serum (but only short-term i.e. for 3 months, as longterm copper peptide serum use thins the skin). Skin needle once a week for a month and then only once or twice a month for 6 months. Your skin should be back to normal, even better!

Cheers,

AS :)

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