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Pro-Hormone Post Tane

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Question to some of you weight lifters or bodybuilders, once off tane i plan to do a liver cleanse then start up a cycle of a pro-hormone call platinum. It is now off the legal market do to an ingredient, Tren, that is considered a strong steroid. I know a side effect of most pro-hormones could potentially be the very problem im trying to get rid of, acne.

Just wanted to know from someones experience or knowledge that after tane that im much less likely to have the "acne" side effect from this supplement. Im not about to get off tane with a clear complection and then reverse it right back to where i started. Anyone's advice?? Btw, im 19 month 4 down 1 to go

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tbh I wrestle with this myself. To answer your question, IDK... I would say you are much less likely to get acne, but I know people who had perfect skin and get some acne from taking pro-hormones / test boosters.

haha.. just funny you should post this b/c I think about whether or not to take a stack containing a ph about once a day

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From a bodybuilding.com thread:

Teenagers and Prohormones/Steroids by pogue

I have been getting an increasing number of messages from individuals under eighteen asking me advice about prohormones. Although, I don't mind having these types of discussions with them, I feel as though I have typed the side effects up for them numerous times and still have trouble detering them from using them, so I want to outline some of the potential risks involved with teenagers using prohormones.

Health Risks

When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.

1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.

2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.

3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.

4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.

5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggravation, etc. All of these can be increased and aggravated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.

6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you know many years down the road there won't be problems?

Psychological Problems

Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.

1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.

Legal Problems

Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems

1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.

2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.

Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief.

Edited by babaoreily
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You'll most likely get acne. Why would you risk that when you're finally clear?

And who knows what it'll do to your liver, which was just put under enormous stress by tane.

yes i am aware of the risks, i am just wandering when im off tane if ill have the same chances of acne as say a normally clear complected person who didn't take accutane or if ill be even safer from it than them.

Im also aware of possible liver problems it could have, if you would read my first post it says ill be going on a liver cleanse and im doing that for at least a month before i would start a pro-hormone. The effects from this pro-hormone taken in moderation is no worse than taking accutane and it will only be a month cycle.

Halifax, do you think we should just go for it and "see what happens?" Ill be doing as the directions say on the bottle and its 3 a day for 30 days. I have researched tren, an ingredient in it, and not once have i come across the side effect of acne. I say ill try it and if it starts breaking me out ill quit right then.

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I dunno if "see what happens" is the best idea, especially considering your knowledge demonstrated in the OP.

Tren, or Trenbolone, is a steroid. At best the ingredient you're referring to in your pro-hormone is some bullshit lab created clone that is supposed to mirror tren. Pro-hormones is every case will give you worse results and harsher side effects than just taking the steroids they're trying to imitate. Now that the feds have banned a whole new set of PH's, why not just go get the real thing since everything is now illegal?

Have you ever taken a pro-hormone before? What about pct?

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did you get acne from PH / AAS before?

tbh i usually am fine before / during cycle, as with most bbuilders, its the post cycle that will break you out.

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