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Spontaneous Scarring Condition - AMVC - Atrophia Maculosa Varioliformis Cutis - Pitted Scars Suddenly Appearing - Not Acne

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Not to simplify this, it can be very very complex and needs a certified professional for treatment. But it's always good to get another perspective. In Eastern Medicine or Homeopathic medicine they treat the cause not the symptom. The Chinese for centuries used maps like these to work on skin issues. Scarring can be caused from excessive ongoing inflammation. These charts are informational only if you believe your skin is a manifestation of health issues as a famous Dr says. But their may be variations to your condition like auto-immune conditions, bacterial infections, and genetic deformities. Something to consider...

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ZONE 1
(FOREHEAD)

This region can be affected by 4 main conditions:  ACNE: Small bumps or cysts caused by candida overgrowth in the gut. This will often be accompanied by acne in Zone 4. MELASMA: Large patches of brown resulting from damage to the liver. ROSACEA: Redness that remains relatively constant and worsens with triggers like certain foods or stress. PHOTODAMAGE: This zone takes on a lot of sun and often has more lines and age spots.

 

ZONE 2
(UPPER EYELIDS)

This region is affected by one primary condition: ECZEMA: This is caused by adrenal stress. It can occur from excess caffeine and other stimulants, anxiety or heavy stress. It results in peeling and irritation of the skin.

ZONE 3
(LOWER EYELID REGION)

This region is affected by one primary condition: KIDNEY DAMAGEDark circles, redness or puffinesscan occur from the use of NSAIDS like aspirin oribuprofen, etc. It can also occur from caffeine and other medications.

ZONE 4
(CHEEKS AND TEMPLES)

This region can be affected by two conditions: ACNE: Small bumps or cysts caused by candida overgrowth in the gut. ROSACEA: Redness that remains relatively constant or worsens with triggers like certain foods or stress.

ZONE 5
(LOWER-MIDDLE CHEEKBONE)

This region is affected by one condition: ROSACEA & ACNE ROSACEA: Redness and/or acne in this region is from bacterial or candida overgrowth, ulcers, digestive issues.

ZONE 6
(LATERAL TO NOSE)

This region is affected by one condition: ROSACEA: Redness next to the nose is caused by gastritis or H. Pylori overgrowth in the stomach.

ZONE 7
(NASAL FLARES)

This region is affected by one condition: ROSACEA: Redness or capillaries on the side of the nose is caused by acid reflux affecting the loweresophagus.

ZONE 8
(TIP OF NOSE)

This region is affected by one condition: ROSACEA: Redness associated with inflammation to the back of the throat often caused by hard alcohol.

ZONE 9
(LOWER CHEEKS & JAWLINE)

This region is affected by two conditions: ACNE: Bumps or cysts caused by estrogenic toxins and testosterone imbalance. Commonly affecting the make beard pattern areas, chest and back. MELASMA: Brown pigment areas found in similar regions on both sides of the face that result from liver damage often associated with medication.

ZONE 10
(PERI-ORAL REGION)

This region is affected by three conditions: ACNE: Bumps or cysts associated with estrogenic toxins and testosterone imbalance or from toxins absorbed by the caecum in constipated individuals. PERIORAL DERMATITIS: This is caused either by constipation or mouth toxicity from toxins including fluoride. MELASMA: The upper lip can develop patchy brown areas associated with liver damage.

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Does subcision work on amvc indented scars? Cause these scars are not cause by acne, are the scars tethered? 

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@jellyy Subcision is the act of making a pocket, ... most Dr's don't even know this, many can't even do the procedure. IF your scars are distinsible meaning you can pull the skin apart and they are gone, then just get filler .... go get a ""soft" HA" filler by any expert injector weather nurse, med spa, or Dr. 

Fresh scars heal over a year, but it takes a long time.

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13 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

@jellyy Subcision is the act of making a pocket, ... most Dr's don't even know this, many can't even do the procedure. IF your scars are distinsible meaning you can pull the skin apart and they are gone, then just get filler .... go get a ""soft" HA" filler by any expert injector weather nurse, med spa, or Dr. 

Fresh scars heal over a year, but it takes a long time.

Most of my scars are cause by exfoliating products, they are shallow and tethered even when i stretch the skin, does subcision still help? 

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@jellyy I have not seen your scars, ... sounds like orange peel textural issues.

Here are the treatments:

* A light HA filler under the scar as needed. If you don't need subcicsion, pull the scar with your finger and see if it's distensible, filler will help. 

* Rf Needling

* 1927nm Fraxel at full density is great for textural issues.

* OR a Dr Rullan Phenol Peel

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@Jelly - how long have you been getting AMVC scarring, did it stop eventually? lasers and dermabrasion should work, the options to fix it are out there, but i am wondering when yours stopped occurring.

 

 

 

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Ok so thats not AMVC then. Anyone diagnosed with AMVC? seems like the others who said they were dont post on here anymore, maybe its a sign it eventually stopped.

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On 3/19/2019 at 9:11 AM, Skinweird58 said:

Ok so thats not AMVC then. Anyone diagnosed with AMVC? seems like the others who said they were dont post on here anymore, maybe its a sign it eventually stopped.

Best I got from a dermapathologist was “maybe you have this [disease].” I don’t think anyone in this thread has ever been formally diagnosed because AMVC is not well-known and no doctor can ever make a “confident” diagnosis.

I’ve personally had spontaneous pits and linear indents/lines on and off for 6 years now. At the start of it in 2013, it was horrifying - literally a new divot or pore-connecting type lines every day. Now it’s every few months, something comes up. And my cheeks and chin in general have this weird swollen/orange peel-like texture that’s super unsightly.

Cosmetically, I’ve done microneedling a handful of times so far to no dramatic or noticeable results.

I wish more people who have posted before would come back and share how they have been.

Edited by boafriend

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thanks for your response, i hope we all grow out of it. i have read publications on this, there arent followups published on those cases either. 

 

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Suggested solutions:

1. Find what you are alergic to (You might be eating a certain type of food that causes the scarring).

2. Eat less processed food ("Spots on the cheeks might be the result of too much meat, sugar and dairy products"; https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/beauty-hair/tips/a10302/face-mapping-what-do-your-spots-mean-108737/). 

3. Drink your water (I know, this is said a lot and we are getting so tired of it, but if we are going to get rid of these random scarrings, we have to cleanse our bodies).

4. Use black seed oil, internally and externally ("black seed oil is said to boost the immune system, reduce inflammation, and fight infections"; https://www.verywellhealth.com/health-benefits-of-black-seed-oil-89421). 

5. Use honey, also internally and externally ("honey is naturally antibacterial, so it's great for acne treatment and prevention. Aging: Full of antioxidants"; https://www.sheknows.com/beauty-and-style/articles/1017621/beauty-benefits-of-honey/).

My story:

I am a 24 year old girl, and I have been getting random scars since 2016, until this day. They are still appearing, and 90% of the time they appear when I eat unhealthy food, or foods like onions, ginger, turmeric, sugar, milk etc. (Although my doctor did not find any alergic signs, the scars seem to appear when I eat these types of foods). They keep coming, and I have accepted them, even when it is so devestating when random scars appear on your face and 'never' disappeares. I sleep with alo vera gel at night, applying it on those spots I have scarring going on. I hope this helps you, and know that I know exactly what you are going through and how you are feeling. As we all know, this 'problem', compared to other more serious things, is not a big deal, but don't I think most people can understand how sad one can become because of these random scarring.

Just wanted to share my story, because I´ve been reading through all the comments, and didn't want to leave before I tell my story, so that it can be of help to some of you, hopefully.

Best wishes to all of you!

Edited by D M S

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Suggested solutions:

1. Find what you are alergic to (You might be eating a certain type of food that causes the scarring).

2. Eat less processed food ("Spots on the cheeks might be the result of too much meat, sugar and dairy products"; https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/beauty-hair/tips/a10302/face-mapping-what-do-your-spots-mean-108737/). 

3. Drink your water (I know, this is said a lot and we are getting so tired of it, but if we are going to get rid of these random scarrings, we have to cleanse our bodies).

4. Use black seed oil, internally and externally ("black seed oil is said to boost the immune system, reduce inflammation, and fight infections"; https://www.verywellhealth.com/health-benefits-of-black-seed-oil-89421). 

5. Use honey, also internally and externally ("honey is naturally antibacterial, so it's great for acne treatment and prevention. Aging: Full of antioxidants"; https://www.sheknows.com/beauty-and-style/articles/1017621/beauty-benefits-of-honey/).

My story:

I am a 24 year old girl, and I have been getting random scars since 2016, until this day. They are still appearing, and 90% of the time they appear when I eat unhealthy food, or foods like onions, ginger, turmeric, sugar, milk etc. (Although my doctor did not find any alergic signs, the scars seem to appear when I eat these types of foods). They keep coming, and I have accepted them, even when it is so devestating when random scars appear on your face and 'never' disappeares. I sleep with alo vera gel at night, applying it on those spots I have scarring going on. I hope this helps you, and know that I know exactly what you are going through and how you are feeling. As we all know, this 'problem', compared to other more serious things, is not a big deal, but don't I think most people can understand how sad one can become because of these random scarring.

Just wanted to share my story, because I´ve been reading through all the comments, and didn't want to leave before I tell my story, so that it can be of help to some of you, hopefully.

Best wishes to all of you!

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I went to a dermatologist today after many years, and more or less...no help. She was understanding and has heard of AMVC before, but said it’s hard to diagnose since I still have active acne and also, even if she could make a diagnosis...the only treatments would be cosmetic ones. It sucks.

Her biggest suggestion was for me to start a beginner’s concentration of RetinA. Which...many on this forum have complained to have contributed to random scarring.

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Hello to everyone...

My AMVC is still here, and it's never has been worse. A tons of scars everyday. The "old" scars are really deepening to the point there are part of my face that have no volume anymore. They became a lot wider too. My skin feel like a monster's. It does not look like acne scars. Some are 5cm lines, 3mm wide. Crazy. It's like my skin is eaten. Or collagen is destroyed without no reason day by day at a really fast pace. But even grandmas don't have this, so it's not a normal collagen aging process.

 

I don't know what to do anymore, so I do nothing, but it keep continues, but the state of my skin decrease a lot faster than before. At this point it's so uncontrolable and it's really scary. None of the pictures I've seen here or one AMVC science litterature are like mine... I don't know why  my case is so terrible. Maybe I'm on a more advanced stage, but some people had it for 6 years, and I "only" had it for 2 years now. 

I'm sorry I can't help much, but I just wanted to give some news as some here wanted to know how others with AMVC was doing now...

 

@boafriend on the medical litterature you can find article of people treated with low concentration of retinA. They said that apparently their skin condition was better afterwards. 

But if we follow the logic of hypervitaminosis A create this condition, it doesn't seem like a good idea to start retinA. Vitamin A is stocked in the liver and it's super hard to flush it from the body because it's stored in fat. Also under the skin. That's why too much vitamin A, that become stocked under the skin, I believe can create this condition (Well, have read tons of theories on this, and a full book, articles etc). Not sure tho of course. 

 

Have anyone tried a 0 vitamine A diet ? 

Do people with this conditions have allergies, not only to food but pets etc ? 

Do people are still on anti histamine meds and is their AMVC condition stabilized ? 

Do people notice more scars appearing when they are exposed (even just a little bit) to the sun, blue light, hot temperatures / face getting red because of hot temperature in your body , intense sports, hot showers, intense stress ? 

What do you use on your face ? (hydrating cream, sun cream ?) 

It feels like a auto immune problem to be honest. I feel like my body are attacking my own skin cells. 

Is your skin ultra sensible to everything ? Before I had AMVC without redness. But since about 2 months I got a lot of redness going on, and now my AMVC looks like "acid burned" skin on some part of my face. It feels rough and everything is irritating. I'm allergic to litteraly everything at this point. I just put an hydrating cream with 5 ingredients in it, given to people that have ultra sensibility to everything / Have been doing surgery/lasers. etc. Can not be gentler on the skin. But as some people said before, the problem comes from the inside. 

 

Sorry for the english mistakes, it's not my first language...

I hope others ones could give news too ! :3

 

 

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From what i read isotretinion can help stop the scarring but its temporary because you wouldnt want to be on it forever. I think probiotics should be included in the daily regimen. 

thanks so much to all of you who have shared your stories

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I will be going to Taiwan at the end of May for some family stuff and will try to see if dermatologists there will be able to help. East Asian healthcare and exams have advanced a lot in the past decade and are more thorough than what you can get in the US.

I don’t have any high expectations though. But it’s worth a try.

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Welp, the visit was a bust. The dermatologist, like many mentioned on here, dismissed my scarring claims and just said everything was caused by acne.

Waited so long at the hospital just for that. The dermatologist wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say either.

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Boafriend, Kix, DMS and others

Are the pits, lines, etc. actual dry scars (ie, healed skin) or are they wet lesions caused by something eating into your skin ?

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16 hours ago, Aussie Scientist said:

Boafriend, Kix, DMS and others

Are the pits, lines, etc. actual dry scars (ie, healed skin) or are they wet lesions caused by something eating into your skin ?

All have been dry scars.

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i suffered from AMVC in 2016 november to march 2017 and then random scarring stopped

however the scars are still here and not filled

now in 2019 i started to get acne and so for that i am ob accutane however too low dose (5 mg per day)

hopefully i should not start to get AMVC again

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I went to a second dermatologist while I was in Taiwan and while she (like many) has never heard of AMVC before, she took a look at bloodwork I had done which showed a positive for some sort of ANA. She said it could maybe explain the scarring I have. She suggested I follow up on the bloodwork again since my initial ANA positive reading stemmed from a lupus panel I had had done at a naturopath. And since I refused Differin as a topical (due to all the vitamin A horror stories from here), she prescribed me a 20% azeliac acid cream that she said could help smooth texture and fight my acne.

And just two days ago, I noticed another random indention (1 mm long maybe) near the left side of my cheek near my nose. This disease is so draining and unpredictable. It’s causing me so much distress right now.

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12 minutes ago, Skinweird58 said:

Anish thanks for letting us know how long you had AMVC. Hopefully it wont come back.

hope accutane dont cause it again

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