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When taking 50mg of zinc citrate, should I be taking IRON or COPPER?


Copper and zinc both compete for absorption. So if you take zinc over a long period of time you may become deficient. So perhaps supplementing copper would be ideal. I've heard that the chelated minerals totally bypass the whole competition issue, but I'm not exactly sure. If you want to take zinc and copper I would suggest you take them separately (e.g. take zinc and the copper 4-5 hrs later).

As you've completed Accutane you might have (depending on what the doctor ordered) a recent iron studies (while they were checking LFTs). If you aren't anaemic than don't take the iron. In fact men shouldn't have many problems with iron because men don't menstruate:D Too much iron can cause a lot of problems and could possibly contribute to premature ageing (think of the whole redox reaction happening with fe2+ and fe3+).

Looking at your pic it's hard to think you ever had an acne problem:)

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LOL I saw your earlier post so I might add something to it:)

The pimples on your head might be due to folliculitis. I've had this before and apparently (from what my derm said) is caused by stress. He prescribed topical clindamycin lotion and it went away...for a while. It might also depend on the shampoo and conditioner you use. You should shampoo your hair 2 times a week MAX, otherwise your overdrying your scalp. You might be interested in using antifungal shampoos like Head and Shoulders or Selsun.

I had folliculitis and then I somehow also managed to get seborrheic dermatitis on my scalp. As a result I'm on my 4th course of accutane.

Zinc helps with acne because it also reduces the conversion of testosterone into DHT which overactivates sebaceous glands leading to acne......but can also initiate the balding process. Personally I think 30 mg is okay, anymore (like 100 mg) is totally stretching it. You might lose hair if you take excessively high doses of zinc and it might also weaken your immune system (immunosupressive). I've found that 50 mg of zinc increases the greying of may hair (copper is needed for pigment).

If you're scared about hair loss than you might want to try Nizoral (there might be threads on this) or coffee. I was really suprised, but a small amount of caffeine in your shampoo actually helps with hair growth. I use cheap instant coffee and shampoo it in and leave it for 10 min. There are studies on this so you might want to google: coffee and hairloss. You might also find specialised shampoos that contain caffeine, ketaconozole (active ing. in Nizoral) and other hair loss herbs that can stimulate hair growth. You might as well start doing something now iven if you might never get bald. Below are a few links on caffeine.


Caffeine improves barrier function in male skin.

Brandner JM, Behne MJ, Huesing B, Moll I.

Department of Dermatology and Venerology, University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, Martinistrasse 52, 20246 Hamburg, Germany.

The influence of androgens, especially testosterone and its effector dihydrotestosterone, results in a constitutive disadvantage for male skin, e.g. reduced viability of hair at the scalp and reduced epidermal permeability barrier repair capacity. Dihydrotestosterone can act, among others, as an adenyl cyclase inhibitor. Caffeine on the other hand is an inexpensive and (in regular doses) harmless substance used in various cosmetic products, which can act as a phosphodiesterase inhibitor. To prove the hypothesis that caffeine as a phosphodiesterase inhibitor is able to override testosterone-induced effects on barrier function, we performed a double-blind placebo controlled study with healthy volunteers. In this study, 0.5% caffeine in a hydroxyethylcellulose gel preparation (HEC) was applied on one forearm, HEC without caffeine on the other forearm of male and female volunteers for 7 days and transepidermal water loss (TEWL) was measured before and at the end of the treatment period. Basal TEWL did not differ significantly between male and female subjects but the application of caffeine significantly reduced TEWL in male skin compared with female skin. We conclude that caffeine is beneficial for barrier function in male skin.

Effect of caffeine and testosterone on the proliferation of human hair follicles in vitro.

Fischer TW, Hipler UC, Elsner P.

Department of Dermatology and Allergology, Friedrich-Schiller-University, Jena, Germany. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: Androgenetic alopecia (AGA) is a common problem in men of all ages, affecting approximately 50% at 50 years of age. The underlying cause is an androgen-dependent miniaturization of genetically predetermined hair follicles. Here, the hair organ culture model was used to investigate the effects of testosterone and caffeine; the latter being a promising candidate for hair growth stimulation. METHODS: Hair follicles from 14 biopsies, taken from the vertex areas from male AGA patients, were cultivated for 120-192 h in vitro with normal William's E medium (control) or William's E medium containing different concentrations of testosterone and/or caffeine. Hair shaft elongation was measured daily and at the end of cultivation, cryosections of follicles were stained with Ki-67 to evaluate the degree and localization of keratinocyte proliferation. RESULTS: Significant growth suppression was found in hair follicles treated with 5 microg/ml testosterone. This was counteracted by caffeine in concentrations of 0.001% and 0.005%. Moreover, caffeine alone led to a significant stimulation of hair follicle growth. These results were confirmed immunohistochemically by Ki-67 staining. CONCLUSIONS: Androgen-dependent growth inhibition of ex vivo hair follicles from patients suffering from AGA was present in the human hair organ culture model, a constellation which may serve for future studies to screen new substances against androgen-dependent hair loss. Caffeine was identified as a stimulator of human hair growth in vitro; a fact which may have important clinical impact in the management of AGA.

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Thanks so much for your taking your time to respond so carefully, umbrae. :) Very much appreciated.

50mg of zinc per day maximum as I am now seems to be giving me great results, and now that I am using tea tree oil as a spot treatment for any little zits I start to get, my face is doing great. I have no complaints at all! :)

My scalp is feeling better too-- I've been using Herbal Essences "No Flakin' Way" which has pyrithione zinc in it, and occasionally using T-Gel instead. Then I use a good moisturizing conditioner.

I will look into getting a copper supplement. :)

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