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After wasting so much time, money and hope, I got nothing in return but disappointment.

Scarred for 10+ years, tried everything from dermabrasion to TCA to filler to the newest laser, what did I get? False hope, empty promises, and depression again, again and again.

Walking on the street, 99% of the population have normal skin, without millions of craters all over the face. Such an easy thing most take for grant, but such a luxury I can never get.

I just wasted $2100 on 3 sessions of the fraxel laser. The doctor was decent enough to show me the before and after photos of mine. Even he was struggling trying to find "improvement". I honestly can't find any, 5% at best if I am forced to give a number. In some areas it even looks worse. What's the point? I took time off work, I spend weeks at home not being able to go out, the embassment of having a pink face when returning to normal life..... All this in the end gives me nothing.

I don't know whether I should just quit trying. The money I spent so far is enough for a downpayment of a house; the time i wasted is sufficient for a two month vacation, but why am I still doing all this? I grasp every "new technology" desperately like a drowning man seeing a piece of plastic on the ocean. And for so many times I rejoiced "maybe this works finally", but the scars always return to what they were, eventually, leaving me not even a glimpse of hope.

Maybe it is wise for me to just stop obsess with the treatment, and accept the fact that I will look horrible forever. I am in no mood for dating, or shopping, or doing anything fun. I can easy sink into depression the minute I see my skin in a bad lighting. I will consider stopping all these endless "treatment" and spend the money on something more worthwhile. Then at some point of my life when I really am sick of it, I just end life.

It is shallow but nothing something I can control. It has never been how people look or judge me, it is about how I view myself, and no matter how successful I am in other areas, I simply won't be happy again.

I am tired. I want to smash all mirrors in my house and never look at my reflection ever again.

Sorry for posting such a whiny post that doesn't help anyone. I just thought only people here can understand it. I know there are people out there with for more severe problems than a scarred face, but it's simply killing me day by day, and I am less and less able to enjoy and appreciate tht life I have.

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I can't say I've tried as many things as you but I certainly know where your coming from. I have had acne since I was 12/13 years old and I am now 22. Granted. the acne on my face is no where near as bad as what it was when I was that age but it just never gets to a stage where I am completely satisfied. I've been close to being satisfied with my face but never quite reached that point. To top that, I've always had really bad body acne since a young age as well and that is something that has never really improved at all. Recently more so than in the past it has been getting to me a lot more and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because I always assumed it would have cleared up by this age but yet it's still here. Also probably because when I was a teenager, acne really didn't seem that bothersome to me. It's not something that effected my every day life. I just got on with it and enjoyed myself. In fact I wish I still had that mind set now cos it is definately effecting me more than it ever has. Obviously I can appreciate the fact that I do not have a life threatening illness or anything, and me going on about the state of my skin just seems, as you said, shallow. But yeah, when I look around at some of my friends who have never really had a problem with acne it does make me envious. I watch their day to day confidence and I just wish that I could be like that. When we go on holidays together in hot weather, I don't even want to take my shirt of cos it looks that bad. I've even about given up going to the doctor cos he is just prescribing me things that do not work. And he is also refusing to give me oral medication for some reason.

I can completely relate to where your coming from. Healthy body, healthy mind.

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It sounds like you are very desperate to see results and I can certainly sympathize with that. But it seems like you are just throwing your hopes, and not to mention your hard earned cash, on any sort of treatment in hopes that it might work. If something like dermabrasion or fillers did not offer you improvement, what makes you think that something as mild as fraxel would. I don't mean to come across as harsh, but sometimes you need to stop, take a break and reassess before hopping into anything. I would say don't quit, but take a break and do some more research before trying something else. There are certainly procedures available that have offered people vast improvement, you just need to find what works for you.

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Phillippee, try Fraxel Re:pair instead of Restore. My plastic surgeon told me not to bother with ReStore and that was before Re:pair even came out. I have nothing good to say about Dermabrasion or the old CO2, but fractionalized CO2 is a different story. I am only going for my 3rd treatment Oct 30, but I believe it will take 3-4 treatments for optimum results. If needed, I will do my 4th Re:pair in May, 2010. Treatments should be scheduled about 4-6 months apart at the earliest. Re:pair is the most expensive of the laser treatments. I cannot comment on other treatments that people are using, because I find no reason to change the treatment plan I have developed.

http://www.fraxel.com/patients.aspx

http://www.theclinique.net/FRAXELrepairCO2Laser.aspx

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You just read my mind, Philippe, however I've never tried laser.

But seriously, I've also been suffering for over 10 years. I've spent countless time and lots of money only to be disappointed. But hey man, you still can have fun. Trust me.

I say lets just hold off on the treatments until something more promising (hopefully scarless healing) comes along. It's just a matter of time. Humans can clone animals, create bombs that can wipe every being on the face of the earth, and teleport light. I don't think fixing scars is anywhere near as complicated as those. It's just a matter of time before scientists find a true cure. Hang in there.

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I feel the same way......

Last christmas I downed 48 over the counter sleeping pills. Obviously, I'm still alive though. I've been scarred for over 20 years. My life has been ruined. I've done everything too. Over the years my scarring has improved, but it's hard to say if its been a combination of all the different scar treatments and lasers and dermabrasions, or if time just faded everything. I' don't know what to do anymore.

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Everybody keeps pounding on the fact that they have tried lasers and they didn't help. I firmly believe that fractionalized CO2 laser is the ONLY laser worth spending money on. That is my biased opinion, but it was the only opinion I can come up with. Please read my thread entitled "A Must Read", it explains the different lasers and their use. Many people on here rave about subcission, but I have never tried that.

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Dudley, while I believe Repair can give many people significant improvement, I dont think its for everybody. It may no longer be an option for me because I have sensitive skin. If you don't have sensitive skin, I say go for it.

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Everybody keeps pounding on the fact that they have tried lasers and they didn't help. I firmly believe that fractionalized CO2 laser is the ONLY laser worth spending money on. That is my biased opinion, but it was the only opinion I can come up with. Please read my thread entitled "A Must Read", it explains the different lasers and their use. Many people on here rave about subcission, but I have never tried that.

Since you seem so sure of CO2 laser, why don't you show us some photos of your improvements?

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Gravyman, I only need to satisfy myself, and I don't want to post my picture on this or any other site. My doctor wanted authorization to post my pictures, but I denied that also. Also very few of the posted pictures really show the true condition of the scarring and after pictures never seem to dupicate the lighting or positioning. I have nothing to prove, I am just trying to help.

AcnePwns, your situation is why I posted that link in "A MUST READ" thread. It states that not everybody should do lasers.

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If you want anything done, you gotta rely on yourself.

How about you get into some books about scarring, collagen, exfoliation and studying how to cure these scars. This is what I am currently doing. If you want a change, it's going to be a struggle.

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micky's right it will be a struggle...but then again he has tried lots of things for 10 years...that sounds like a struggle to me.

I should ask if you have gotten any skin surgeries like subcision, TCA Cross, Dermal Graft, Punch graft, skin graft?

For some reason I feel like skin grafting and dermal grafting may be the only real way to get rid of acne scars and maybe subcision...I think lasers may only help if something is done like this prior to them.

Just my opinion. Either way it will definitely be a struggle...one I am going through right now...and I'm only 23...

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Yes, he has struggled, but he also relied on people to take care of him. In lots of health issues, I've learned, you cannot rely on the doctors to help you, not by 100%. At least study the problem you have before you give your health away.

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thank you guys, for the advice and kindness.

I guess I should hold off for a while before rushing to anything new. Dudley, I know you had good results with fraxel repair, but I am not sure if I want to go ahead with it. First, I have olive skin, which may have hyperpigmentations problems (I had some minor problem even with restore as of today). second, the downtime is so much longer and as you said 3-4 treatments are necessary. I am just scared to bear all those horrible days just to see no or minimal results any more, not to mention that will cost cover $10K?

Effu, sorry about your experience. I guess we are in the same boat. The only thing we can do right now is probably trying to focus on something else, stay away from people and occasions that may make us self-conscious about our scars, and wait patiently for some breakthoughs in technology. God knows when.

After all these years, I feel like all these acne scar treatment procedures are a huge scam. I practially tries everything and nothing gave me visably results. I am not even looking for anything dramtic any more, but they simply do VERY LITTLE!

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Stop stressing out but don't quit trying.

There is no silver bullet out there right now for scars.

Scar improvement is a long process. I've done lasers and I'm dermarolling.

If you have a lot of bad scarring you can't expect to have perfect skin. I have plenty of scars but I'm starting to see enough improvement to feel pretty good. I will always have worse skin than most people, but I don't feel like I stick out like a sore thumb anymore. I now feel comfortable in situations that would have induced a panic attack a year ago. I think about my skin a lot less and feel more confident than ever.

I used to hate it when people would write, "keep trying things will get better." But now I think it's often true.

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i know how you feel.. i wasted $2400 on 3 session of profractional laser and 3 session of

BS laser that i can't even remember the name of few years ago too. the result of having temporary flat, dent free face for 1 week in exchange of having bloody red face for months was not worth it. i would probably saw 5-10% improvement after 6 months of treatments and it took me almost full year after that to my face color returned to normal. imagine living life with not only with acne scar but toasted brown burnt face. i never want to go through that again. i suggest you try dermarolling. i am doing 1.5mm dermarolling too and to be honest with you, i probably saw 10% improvement at max over 3 months of time. but at least, my face doesn't get bloody burnt for months and red marks goes away in 7-10 days. i know, it's not a magic but i see more improvement than stupid lasers that made my face red-brown for years. plus, it cost siginificantly less. maybe it will take me a full year to see decent result but it's better than not doing anything about it.

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Shin777, what kind of scarring do you have?

some boxed, indented scars on my cheeks and forehead.

check my other topic, i posted bunch of pics of my scars

on my dermarolling 1.5mm progression topic.

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I now feel comfortable in situations that would have induced a panic attack a year ago. I think about my skin a lot less and feel more confident than ever.

Exactly. There was a point where I would settle for nothing less than perfection and improvement would not be enough. Of course, this was before I started seeing any dramatic improvement. Funny thing is, once I began to see dramatic improvement, I did start feeling more confident and less self conscious in social situations. I'm not going to say perfect skin wouldn't be wonderful, but I am pretty happy with the progress I've made so far. Just keep plugging along, save money on treatments, expect to hit some bumps along the way and don't expect a magic bullet.

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I been 11 years in scar revision and no where you are coming from original poster. Most helpful procedure I have had to date is evolence breeze filler.

Severe scarring of the face is a very bitter pill to try and swallow. Most of us who have had a few different scar procedures probably now universally realise that there is no magic bullet. Doctors will exaggerate likely outcomes and most just want to try out the latest procedure on you. You get wise to the bullshit and realise that you can only trust your own hunches and instincts. Doctors are more interested in selling you a procedure rather than a result.

I think you just got to keep chipping away at procedures and be as wise as you can and only do what you can afford. You don't want to end up a broke nervous wreck after blowing all your savings on a load of unfulfilled promises.

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Punch techniques and subcision didn't work for you?

Did you go to the same dermatologist?

The thing is my scarring is extremely extensive, ie. all over my face. I don't think doctors will do punch and subcision on them one by one. We are talking about a whole network of scars, maybe hundreds of different types.

Stop stressing out but don't quit trying.

There is no silver bullet out there right now for scars.

Scar improvement is a long process. I've done lasers and I'm dermarolling.

If you have a lot of bad scarring you can't expect to have perfect skin. I have plenty of scars but I'm starting to see enough improvement to feel pretty good. I will always have worse skin than most people, but I don't feel like I stick out like a sore thumb anymore. I now feel comfortable in situations that would have induced a panic attack a year ago. I think about my skin a lot less and feel more confident than ever.

I used to hate it when people would write, "keep trying things will get better." But now I think it's often true.

Thanks. I will always have worse skin than 95% too, my expectation is simply not to be so self-conscious about it any more.

I will looking into your posts about demarolling as well.

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Hello,

My name is Sarah. I just got done reading this whole thread and have to say that I can relate so much to everyone on this board. I have suffered from acne scarring since I was 13 (now 22)....

In the recent past I have tried many different procedures with very little results. When I was 18 I went in for punch excision and I have to say, it improved the shape of the scars. At 20, I went in for 3 treatments of Fraxel and after all the swelling was gone I noticed that the scarring was exactly the same aside from the texture being smooth for a few days. Then at 21 I had heard of the Erbium Yag Laser and decided to go in for that. It was around $5,500 and the laser specialist I went to said I would see 50% improvement. I did extensive research on it at the time and thought it would be beneficial. This was a horrible procedure to go through. Of course I was numbed but the aftermath of the procedure was not worth it especially since I saw NO results. You look like a burn victim afterward, then your face starts weeping and you form these scabs all over, it hurts to smile, laugh, talk...etc. If I would have received results then of course I wouldn't have minded...but this was physically and emotionally draining. I was just about to give up on any more treatments when my cosmetic surgeon told me about Artefill. I decided to give it a try. It's not cheap and cost around $1,200 per syringe and up. I notice slight improvement on the scaring... honestly maybe like 5% improvement. I've gone in for a total of 4 Artefill injections.

Today, I am currently in the process of healing from Saline Subcision and I have to say, I feel that this will yield the MOST results. I hate to say this but I truly believe most dermatologists and doctors that are pushing these laser treatments are just money hungry. Subcision is a fraction of the cost and the is doctor is specifically targeting each and every individual scar to break up the tissue and let new collagen form. It's invasive but painless and I'm so excited about this. Of course the results wont be immediate but seriously, you should do your research on acne.org and see the people who have had great improvement on their scarring by going this route. I just "feel" it working. I'm not trying to achieve perfection with my scarring, just improvement, if I can obtain close to perfection great, if not.... at least I've seen some results! I urge everyone to look into Subcision, most doctors wont recommend it because they would much rather you pay for their expensive laser treatments, it's not worth their time.

I will be documenting my results and taking photos. If anyone is interested in seeing, you are welcome to contact me. Don't give up, there is HOPE!

Sarah

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Well, I've got some things to say on coping with it, I do find the idea of a punch technique quite agreeable but that is more up to you.

The punch technique has some minor side effects compared to other procedures (in my point of view, that I wouldn't mind taking a chance on). Check it out on the Acne info tab, click onto the scar treatments page and I think you got it from there (click punch techniques and scroll down to side effects).

Before fully considering it, look up on the board for anyone's experience with it and see what you can hear about (and verify).

(Click search boards, type in grafting, excursion, and the other one. Look for a title that seems to hint about an individual's experience.)

I'm just going to post some links for you that have what I told two others going through some frustrations with their self esteem.

I understand you completely brother and I mentioned some things in those posts on an exercise to get yourself consciously aligned and out living life (not a permanent remedy to the low self esteem because we constantly deal with bouts of depression, anti social behavior, ect. It is hard but my exercise gets you in the right mentality and seeing reality.) I did it today and I'm feeling like a 4/5 on the happy me scale (that missing 1/5 must be because I'm hungry and grouchy from being tired).

If you like it or you are confused, check me out soon. I'm revising what I posted in the board onto a blog post and eventually going to have a video up explaining it better (I can be a terrible writer and it causes the point I'm getting across to get mixed up, I hope I haven't confused anyone already. The video is just a solid for me, no mixing my point up).

I'm here to help my brothas and sistas.

(repost, slightly edited)

The best of luck to ya,

Love you, love yourself,

Have a nice one,

Party it up :dance:

Adios amigo!

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