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Stem Cells for Acne Scar Repair (SCIENCE FACT, not science fiction!)

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Datura, could you please share the price quote that they gave you? just for the sake of comparison.

The estimate for me given by Aoluosi is that I would need 10ml of autologous fibroblast injection per time, 3 times needed to complete one course of treatment. So that is 30 ml altogether. Each ml is priced at about 6000 Chinese RMB, about $800 USD . So my treatment total came out to about $24000 USD. PRP is also included in this price. I have fairly extensive scarring, and this was just based on photos, not an in person consultation, so keep that in mind. I have also had dermal grafts to treat my scars since then, so that figure may not be accurate now.

I tried to get more information from the poster who was in contact with Aolousi and submitted the photos, but she hasn't gotten back to me.

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Just so you know, I was quoted a price by Aolousi (clinic in China) based on photos I submitted. Suffice it to say, it is extremely cost prohibitive and I will not be pursuing it. Not that I ever had any intention to travel to China for treatment, but I was just curious. The poster who was in contact with Aolousi and discussed traveling to China for treatment, also has decided not to go for treatment because of the cost.

I'd say that what Dr. Khan charges is relatively cheap, though. Seeing that it's about a third of what some clinics charge. But it's still a lot of money... Why they don't make it cheaper so that more people can afford it is kind of wrong, imo.

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Just so you know, I was quoted a price by Aolousi (clinic in China) based on photos I submitted. Suffice it to say, it is extremely cost prohibitive and I will not be pursuing it. Not that I ever had any intention to travel to China for treatment, but I was just curious. The poster who was in contact with Aolousi and discussed traveling to China for treatment, also has decided not to go for treatment because of the cost.

I'd say that what Dr. Khan charges is relatively cheap, though. Seeing that it's about a third of what some clinics charge. But it's still a lot of money... Why they don't make it cheaper so that more people can afford it is kind of wrong, imo.

As far as I know, Dr. Khan doesn't culture the stem cells themselves. He has the celeution machine. Aolousi cultures the stem cells and that labor and time probably figures into the cost. And any clinics that do this is in North America must also culture them, since the celeution machine is still not approved for use here.

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icaretohelp wouldn't you still have a lot of micro swelling?

Also is there anyway you can post before and afters? Just blot out your eyes or something if you don't want people to see your whole face?

Would be much appreciated to really gauge how successful this technique is

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I've followed your journey on this board, Icaretohelp and I know you have had several treatments. What do you think has been the most beneficial for you? Is there anything you think has been a waste and you wouldn't do again?

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honestly so far id say my last treatment..the upgraded PRP

what id avoid?? the fraxel repair

i say the upgraded PRP with stem cells combined with microneedling and LED/infra red therapy is the best bet

How much did the upgraded prp cost you ?

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icaretohelp, I sent an email to the Harley street clinic asking if he had any colleagues in Australia that may be interested in implementing the above procedures. I never received a response, but maybe you could provide me with the script so that I can discuss with Doctors here?

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scars4life..if u had any idea what ive gone through..you would shut your gob..i brought the bloody celution to harley street london..spent all my savings ..im on overdraft because of this.and i dont even live in the UK..ive had to trave back and forth..and prior to this id been travelling the world to get this script accepted by dr;s

seriously

your the jerk here

No need to be so sensitive lol. I think he was joking about you being a jerk in response to your free PRP treatment thats all.

Dun think he meant any harm at all.

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which way did dr khan do the upgraded prp on you ? demarol first or after ? did you do the leds at home or does dr khan have a set that he uses straight after he performed the treatment

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Hi everyone,

I'm back... First of all I am happy to see that more people are getting this type of treatment. Second, I am happy that icaretohelp, Heidi and others are getting good-to-excellent results from their treatments.

I do however feel that some of you are a being rather harsh towards icaretohelp, who in my opinion has done a great deal for this forum. He has spoken to various doctors around the world about my specific treatment protocol and was able to successfully lobby Dr. Khan to do ADMSC injections on his acne scars. From what I can see, he has even managed to inspire Khan to partially upgrade his PRP according to an enhanced formula I mentioned months ago.

Respect one another and realize that we're all fighting on the same side against a common enemy.

BRD

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He lives!!!

And to icaretohelp,

Yeah I didn't mean anything bad, just messing around, no hard feelings?

Hey Scars4Life

Perhaps you were joking around with icaretohelp, but you completely took the piss out of me in your posts. Does that make you feel good? I hope so. I hope I made your day.

For your info, my treatment was good but now that the swelling went away it is not so good . As a result I have quit the job I love to search for treatment, which I NOW refuse to discuss here because I dont deserve negative feedback like yours. My everday is enough grief.

Happy? I hope so.

Ciao

H55

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Hi Heidi55,

I want to ask you if Dr. Khan performed ( a ) needling, ( b ) subcision and ( c ) PRP injections before transplanting the ADMSC. As I stated in a post 3 1/2 months ago (page 28, post #551), it is absolutely necessary that this be done, especially ( b ) and ( c ) in order to guide and confine the stem cells to the site of initial inflammation where they integrate themselves into the temporary platelet/coagulated blood scaffold. In other words, I do this in order to stimulate a regenerative response right where there is tissue atrophy. If Dr. Khan is not doing this then hypothetically only a small fraction of the stem cells will perform the specific localized regenerative action we require of them.

Icaretohelp told me that he did get the combined treatment I recommended, albeit not all on the same day (I favour getting all of it done within a 24 hour period in order to get maximal benefit from the concerted action of each procedural component). I don't know if Khan is trying different methods for different patients or if he solely perceives each of the aforementioned components as a standalone procedure that should not be combined into a single holistic treatment. Either way I'm trying to clarify this so that I can better evaluate what's going on here.

If you feel like talking, write me a note. Should you need specific information about my modus operandi I'll be happy to provide it to you.

BRD

Edited by Bulgarian R. Dermatologist

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I think Scars4lyfe was being tactless and rude in his past few posts, but I don't think he meant anything malicious by it. He is just frustrated, as we all are. Cut him some slack.

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Dear icaretohelp,

congratulations to your successful treatment! Maybe this will become an established therapy soon all over the world. Unfortunately I heard therfrom to late - I just spent a lot of money in fraxel treatments and finally cultivating fibroplasts. I hope this will help...

Loulu

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Hi Heidi55,

I want to ask you if Dr. Khan performed ( a ) needling, ( b ) subcision and ( c ) PRP injections before transplanting the ADMSC. As I stated in a post 3 1/2 months ago (page 28, post #551), it is absolutely necessary that this be done, especially ( b ) and ( c ) in order to guide and confine the stem cells to the site of initial inflammation where they integrate themselves into the temporary platelet/coagulated blood scaffold. In other words, I do this in order to stimulate a regenerative response right where there is tissue atrophy. If Dr. Khan is not doing this then hypothetically only a small fraction of the stem cells will perform the specific localized regenerative action we require of them.

Icaretohelp told me that he did get the combined treatment I recommended, albeit not all on the same day (I favour getting all of it done within a 24 hour period in order to get maximal benefit from the concerted action of each procedural component). I don't know if Khan is trying different methods for different patients or if he solely perceives each of the aforementioned components as a standalone procedure that should not be combined into a single holistic treatment. Either way I'm trying to clarify this so that I can better evaluate what's going on here.

If you feel like talking, write me a note. Should you need specific information about my modus operandi I'll be happy to provide it to you.

BRD

Hi BRD good to see you back here on the forum ... not to rush you or anything but i was just wondering roughly when i would be able to get those before and after photos of your patients. im trying to get a few derms and hammermith hospital here in the uk to have a look into this treatment for acne scars but it would be much more convincing with photos. thanks

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Welcome back BRD :) i hope you update us with your results and the latest protocol you're following.

v_singh, do you have any letters or a neat document which describes the adult stem cells procedure clearly. I would also like to share it with my dermatologist. I'm not sure if she will be interested or not, but I would like to try. Anyway, let me know please if you or any1 else has something good to share with doctors. Thanks a lot :)

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BRD is there anyway you could PM me with the exact steps and procedures involved. I am seeing someone in 2 weeks and would like to provide them with this to see if they would consider implementing it?

Would really appreciate any guidance as I do not want to raise something without really having any idea and right now I could not explain it myself without something set out.

Cheers

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BRD is there anyway you could PM me with the exact steps and procedures involved. I am seeing someone in 2 weeks and would like to provide them with this to see if they would consider implementing it?

Would really appreciate any guidance as I do not want to raise something without really having any idea and right now I could not explain it myself without something set out.

Cheers

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Dear Bulgarian Doctor,

do you think your recommended therapy would bring other or better results when you use stem cells won from fat? Isn´t the concentration of mesenchymal stem cells in fat higher than in blood?

Thanks for answering, loulu

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An update for those considering Stem Cell Treatment... get it done!

It's been almost 2 months since I had my treatment and I'm very pleased with the results. My skin isn't perfect and I still have some red marks but there is a huge improvement to both the look and texture of my skin. Apparently the best results are seen after 3 months but even at this stage I would say it's well worth it. With makeup on I don't even think about/stress over my skin anymore. I'll do a full report in a couple of months with some before and after photos.

A note to someone on here who discredited Dr Khan... his clinic isn't a charity! It's in Harley street so the rent alone on that place must be astronomical. He also has to pay for time spent in hospital for surgery, equipment etc and for the excellent staff he hires. He's got to where he is for a reason. He's damn good at what he does and he does care for his patients, unlike a lot of others who are just in it for the money. That's not to mention the long hours he works including nights and weekends. So I'm glad he gets paid well for what he does. I'd rather pay a higher price to someone with a good success rate and friendly nature than someone who doesn't care and is just interested in money. There's no need to be spiteful. If he wants to use my money to buy a new car then good for him, he deserves it.

I know there isn't that much feedback about the treatment yet but everything I've found on the net has been positive, whereas with other treatments, there will be cases of it not working or actually making things worse. As I said, I'll do a full report in a couple of months but for now I just encourage anyone who's considering it to go ahead and do it.

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