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Err I needled a small boxcar scar a week ago for the first time and I'm worried I might have worsened it.. I only had 12mm/31gauge diabetic needles left over from saline injections but I got in the scar at about 2mm, couldn't have been deeper than 3-4mm at the very most. I was very precise (from years of saline injections, I'm a surgeon with that thing) .. I gently jabbed it about 10-15 times all within the scar and the border, clear cut up and down motions at a 90 degree angel. There was no pain or popping noises, a nice pool of blood though & immediate swelling which of course made the scar disappear. Since the swelling has gone down these days the scar looks like it increased in width and it looks a drop deeper! It's also red but that's fading slowly.. I'm devastated... I wanted this to work for me more than anything..N S0oo many people seem to do great with it..And I think combining the red light/needling is genius.. the light should be used after all scar procedures!... I'm not gonna quit on this like I do on everything else because I don't get instant results but to see this scar deeper is freaking me out... but we'll see... I'm hoping things change. How many of you guys had this happen to you and it healed back?

I'm using my own 14% vitamin C serum that I make fresh using Ferulic acid/ L Absorbic Acid/Vitamin E (you guys need to be careful with store bought oxidized vitamin c, this can really f up your skin) I just got my red light yesterday and used it today for the first time.. It's only 660 not 880, I hope thats enough to do somethingg. How far should this be from my face because I've heard diff things? - & it should only be used on clean skin (no makeup-topicals, lotion) right?

i only needle certain scars on my face, a few at a time because i don't want 10-15 red dots all over my face, but a few nights ago i went to town on this one ice pick on my upper cheek that hasn't responded at all to my past needling of it. normally i will just poke the inside of the scar itself, but i decided to go very slightly outside the edge of the scar when i pulled it tight. after 2 pokes i realized that this was also scar tissue that was probably the reason why the scar continued to be held down. every single poke was a pop/crunch followed by huge drops of blood. the scar ended up changing its shape immediately. i was scared at first because it was such a different shape than i was used to, wider and deeper, but i also realized that this had to be done to change the shape of the scar and it will get better over time. it has since changed from a sort of vertical icepick to a round saucer shape. will report back again in a few weeks.

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I must be stupid..But I dont understand how the hell one gets the needle out??? I have bought the BD micro fine 5mm. Anybody?

I took me a while to figure it out too!

If you look inside the rim, theres actually 2 pieces of plastic. I use a knife to seperate and lift the inside plastic out. The needle that you use on your face is actually on the other side, protected by the purple plastic piece. It's easy once you get used to it.

Hope that makes sense.

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I must be stupid..But I dont understand how the hell one gets the needle out??? I have bought the BD micro fine 5mm. Anybody?

I took me a while to figure it out too!

If you look inside the rim, theres actually 2 pieces of plastic. I use a knife to seperate and lift the inside plastic out. The needle that you use on your face is actually on the other side, protected by the purple plastic piece. It's easy once you get used to it.

Hope that makes sense.

you can also use tweezers and pull it out holding onto the needle with the tweezers..

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Lemarr - you mentioned how you used to have AMVC ... How did you stop this scaring ? i think i might have it and im getting worried now. Do you think Terproline will prevent the scars from forming .. or make it worse .. im thinkin about buying it. I think you also mentioned how Omega 3 might be the cause ... the thing is i have never supplemented with Omeage 3 or Vit A and i have only taken around 40mg in total or accutane (5mg a day for like 8 days then stoped) in my life around 1 and half years ago. I woke up this morning with a red mark about 1 cm long and few mm wide, it looks depressed from certain angles so im thinking this is spontanoues scaring.

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Okay, I read this entire thread plus some others. I have a couple scars (shallow, rolling, about a cm in diameter) on my cheeks that I intend to treat (needling). I still have acne, but it is completely under control via my retinoid and light therapy. Would it be okay to treat these two scars now, or should this treatment really only be used after one has outgrown acne? I'd like to get rid of these couple scars now rather than 5-8 years down the road (I'm assuming I'll outgrow acne by then).

If I did pursue treatment, I assume I could use my retinoid on the treated areas starting maybe 2-3 days after treatment? Also, I assume I could use my retinoid epiduo (contains benzoyl peroxide) in combination with the terprolene as long as I alternated applying them every 12 hours?

Thank you.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you *might* never outgrow your acne. There are many adults of all ages that still have acne long after most people typically stop getting it... I would say treat it now - newer scar tissue is easier to heal than old scar tissue. Good luck!

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Okay, I think I'm going to go through with it, tackling my worst scar first. A few questions though:

1.) Is bactroban applied to the treated area the first night only? Are any disinfection techniques used after the first night of treatment?

2.) Should I apply zinc oxide sunblock over the treated area the first morning after, or will this cause irritation?

3.) Is it okay to apply a retinoid (epiduo - contains benzoyl peroxide) to the treated area 12 hours after needling?

Thanks for the help!

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Hi, is it ok to use dermaroller if you dont have deep scaring? I'm not sure what my scarring is called but i have hyperpigmentation and some minor indentaions that aren't a big deal. How do I prevent it from making my indentaions worse? because i heard from some ppl it made theirs worse.

I mainy just want to get rid of acne spots that are like these red spots all over my face form having acne but im hesitant because i do have mild indentations so i dont want to create a problem.

Can you give me advice?

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for most people, dermarolling either improves their scars or has no affect whatsoever. Some claim that their scars ended up worst from needling/dermarolling. everyone skin heals/react differently from dermarolling and other scar treatments so its hard to say.

if you really want to see how your skin reacts, i suggest doing a 'test spot' somewhere where its not really noticeable and small to see how your skin reacts. good luck.

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i have another Q~

Do u have to DIG the needles in your skin??

And when can i apply emu oil after i roll?

is .5mm good for hyperpigmentation/red marks ?

thanks~

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.5 is good for hyperpigmentation and red marks, but in my opinion, retin-a is even better.

yes, you pretty much just insert the needle into the skin-however long the needle length is.

if your scarring is mild, i really suggest retin A or AHA 10% lotion (alpha hydroxy acid). those two work wonders for red marks and hyperpigmentation.

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I'm scared to put harmful chemicals on my skin since it would get absorbed into my system (even if its only trace amount) It took me a long time of being a raw vegan to clear lots of toxins out of my ststem.

But i will research about retin A for my red marks.

Does dermarolling help with pore size?? i have open pores and if it can make deep scarring go away it can make open/scarred pores go away too right?

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I'm scared to put harmful chemicals on my skin since it would get absorbed into my system (even if its only trace amount) It took me a long time of being a raw vegan to clear lots of toxins out of my ststem.

But i will research about retin A for my red marks.

Does dermarolling help with pore size?? i have open pores and if it can make deep scarring go away it can make open/scarred pores go away too right?

Hey yvonnelilly, good to see another raw vegan here!

I am looking at possibly dermarolling in the near future as well. From what I have read it can help diminish large scarred pores (I have these as well).

As far as topicals, I feel the same way that you do...I won't use chemicals of any kind on my face, which includes retin-a. You might want to look into Rosehip Seed Oil - it contains a natural, gentle form of tretinoin (retin-a) and has pretty good research behind it to back up it's use to treat hyperpigmentation and scarring. You can find it organically grown from many sources, and it's inexpensive. Also you might want to look into MSM lotions as well which can be great for healing scars and red marks...

Good luck!

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Is it safe to use the dermaroller on healthy skin? I just want to use it on my red marks and open pores but im sure the needles will touch my normal skin? Did you have a problem when your dermaroller touched your normal skin?

Or anyone....?

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yvonne,

I have no personal experience from using a dermaroller, just self needling. But you should try a test spot with the dermaroller before embarking on your whole face. It is from my understanding that the dermaroller will not harm healthy tissue, AS LONG AS the needle length is very short, and the frequency at which you roll is spaced out, i.e. not every day, and not even every single week perhaps.

About chemicals, I agree with you. We do not know the effects of puncturing the skin and then applying chemicals that were originally not meant to be placed over open skin. In the long run, we don't know what those effects could entail. Though I am sure there are some that are safer. I just stick with simple vitamin c and aloe vera. But I haven't researched this enough either.

Retin-A should definitely not be placed over your skin right after dermarolling. Retin-A does quite a lot of things on the top of your skin on its own. It makes you more prone to scarring as well, at least for myself and many many other people. It is actually what caused much of my scarring. But not everyone is the same.

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forgive me I haven't read all of this thread, so I'm not sure if this is mentioned elsewhere....

but why are people recommending 5-10 minutes?

after a little bit of research I can't find anyone who recommends 5-10 minutes. From my research I have found that generally 20-60 minutes is advised.

http://www.adimeir.com/dynamic/articles/item/4

this study states 40 minutes provides quicker and better results than 20 minutes.

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Could anyone explain the procedure step by step? I am a little lost.

I do not have time going through all the posts now, anyone here at acne.org that follow 'lamars' tips, and saw result?

Lastly, where can this all be ordered from?

Please take time to answer my questions, since this really looked like it could help me, and that would mean the world to me. I am willing to invest money into this.

I am little worried about all the creams that needs to be applied? Since couldn't that aggrevate acne?

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If I was to order a dermaroller would this be correct one? - http://www.dr-roller.eu/dermarollers/15mm-...-dr-roller.html

Is EMLA necessary or will it hurt too much without? Can the cream cause acne or irritation to the skin?

Could I just have the dermaroller in a bowl of normal ispropyl alcohol 60%?

SHould anything else be applied to the skin before the EMLA or after?

I know you guys encourage the LED screens along, but I wanna try with just the dermaroller.

edit: the topical applied after a dermaroll, is it to prevent outbreak of acne or just to help the skin heal? SInce I took accutane 6 months ago, what topicals do you recommend?

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