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Those of you are still a virgin, good for you! I wore white on my wedding day for the traditional meaning, and I guess you could say that was my wedding present to my husband. It definitely made things much more meaningful.

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I am 18 and Im still a virgin.

Out of all my REALLY close friends, I am the only one left.. and some of my friends I was amazed when they told me what happened and how they lost it.. because it was TOTALLY out of character for them.

I'll just wait it out till it happens. And when it does.. it does.

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Ah yes...all that you'll miss out on....possible disease, unwanted pregnancy, causing and/or receiving emotional pain... You've got to be crazy to take sex seriously and reserve it for a loving, committed relationship :rolleyes:

Through that thick sarcasm, I'm beginning to think that sex is not something that I should be taking lightly.

It can do plenty of emotional damage to the other person if you hurt someone's feelings. There is also the big risk of disease, and if one was serious about staying clean, they both should go and get tested before. I am going to try to be more responsible with my future decisions.

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not to be rude by have u been living under a rock.

i live in a rural, conservative town in michigan, go to a conservative school, and yet society around me is liberal. I mean people now a days (including my self) have no morals, and only are concerned with please. sex, smoke weed, every1 does it, every 1.

america has no morals. and i am in a racist, god fearing town of whites. your out in liberal cali, i can only imagine how f'd up society is there.

out next president is a socialist and supported killing babies after failed aboritons. we live in a sick country. is it shocking? maybee it should be, but what do you expect. never cornform to the norm, keep your values, cause once you loose em, there lost forever

Ok...WHOA.

Is anyone else going to say something about the large amounts of stupidity in this post?

First of all, Timothy, you use words like "racist" and "god fearing" almost like you think these are actually good qualities to have in a town.

That, in and of itself, scares me.

Second, Obama = not a socialist.

You're probably one of those people that also thinks he's a secret Muslim, aren't you? Haha.

Also, what exactly is so horribly wrong with socialism, anyway?

I have never understood why Americans are so afraid of it.

I mean, really, has consumer capitalism really ever been doing anything good for this country?

Do you not realize that certain parts of our society are already socialized and that a lot of other parts should be? Do you have a problem with public schooling and public libraries? Do you actually think that privatization has been working thus far for health care in this country?

THIRD, being pro-choice and not wanting to overturn Roe v. Wade is NOT EVEN REMOTELY the same thing as "supporting the killing of babies." No one is really "pro-abortion." Being pro-choice just means that you realize that abortion is too sensitive and polarizing of a subject to leave up to the government. It has to be a personal choice. The people who want/need abortions are going to get them even if they're illegal. We're just going to have a lot of deformed babies and dead women if abortions are outlawed. If you don't like abortion and it's legal, all you have to do is not get one. It's not that hard. Hell, I've managed to go all of my twenty years without getting an abortion. It's not like they're offered on every street corner like drugs or hot dogs.

We do live in a sick country, but not for the reasons you mentioned.

It's because we, as a society, promote intolerance, ignorance, fear, and hatred.

Okay, I'm done now. Sorry about the off-topic rant, OP.

i obviously wasn't using "racist" or "god fearing" as complements, i was pretty blantantly making fun of my town . . .

im not an ignorant person who calls obama muslim, that has nothing to do with socalism so i would kike to know why you mentioned that ? its the universal health care, against free trade, the bailout plan, redistribuation of wealth (making every1 equal), thats makes his doctrine socalist. whats bad about socialism? threw out history, it has been the transistion stage to communism, EX. wwII . . . communism sucks

if you have a problem with capitalism, get out of america. go to china or russia or cuba. it seems like thats what you want, and I have nothing agaisnt you if thats what you want. I believe in the American dream, that we all have an equal opportunity. However, who ever is successful should have better lives than the poor and lazy people. We shouldn;t take away from the rich and give to the poor, thats not American, thats communism.

my claiming of supporting the killing of babies had nothing to do with abortion in general, it is a necessary evil. i personally am against abortion, but have no right to tell a woman what to do. However, sometimes aboritons dont work, it called a failed abortion. the baby would come out born alive after a failed abortion, and Obama voted against protecting their rights. He said kill them. There was a clinic in inner city Chicago, after failed abortion nurses would put the babies in a room and let them die. They wouldnt kill the baby, just leave it for dead. This issue came to the senate, luckily they voted to stop it. Obama was one of the few to vote against it. http://www.nrlc.org/obamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

thank you thank you for reading, i look foward to your rebuttal, although i think you just misunderstood my points

Socialism works in balance with capitalism in lots of places like Canada and France, for example. Certain parts of their society are socialized (ex: national health care) and it works so much better than the unregulated system we have here. Privatized health care in this country is a shitty mess. Period. The system is corrupt. It's gotten to the point where even if you have private insurance, most insurance companies are constantly looking for ways to screw you out of your coverage. I find it funny that you mentioned Cuba since they actually have a much better health care system than we do here. A lot of Americans actually go to Cuba and places in South America for cheap, but high quality medical care that would cost several thousand dollars more here.

Are you aware that you sent me to the "National Right to Life Committee" website?

Not exactly an objective news source.

Anyway, though, I read some of the stuff on that website, and I don't really have a problem with the way Obama voted on that issue. I can understand why he voted against it. Again, this is a really tough subject. Sure, the baby is technically alive, but if it's still not fully developed (which it wouldn't be, since you can only get abortions up to a certain point of pregnancy), then what's the difference between killing a fetus of the same "age" in the womb? Since I don't have a problem with other people getting abortions, in the first place, I don't think the actual act of euthanizing failed abortions is anymore ethically questionable. However, I do think that there should be a more humane way to deal with such things. The hospitals that left the fetuses in dirty utility closets to die slowly are sick. If an abortion fails, what should happen next should be totally up to the mother. If she still wants to go through with the abortion, then the fetus should be put out of it's misery quickly and painlessly, not forced to die slowly in a room with other failed abortions.

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If you're not having sex for religious reasons, well, fine, I guess I can understand that, there's no sense in arguing with you.

But if religion isn't your reason, you are crazy to avoid sex. Yeah sex isn't a big deal in many ways, yeah it's overhyped by music and the media but it's an important part of being a human. At it's best it can be a beautiful and fun experience. Plus, like others said, sex is more enjoyable after you've done it a few times and get better at it. Moreover, if you have sex with a few partners, you won't feel like you missed out on anything once you settle into a long-term relationship.

Ah yes...all that you'll miss out on....possible disease, unwanted pregnancy, causing and/or receiving emotional pain... You've got to be crazy to take sex seriously and reserve it for a loving, committed relationship :rolleyes:

Jeez, I'm not advocating having one night stands with some person you take off the street.

Of course there's always a risk of catching an STD but there's risks in everything we do. Should people not attempt to fix their acne scars bc of the potential side effects? You make it sound like having sex is the only way you can catch a disease.

There's reasonable and unreasonable risks. If you practice safe sex with a person you have come to know over a period of time, you are unlikely to get pregnant or contract a serious disease. Get tested every so often and you should be ok.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

With respect to emotional pain, if you break up with your partner, regardless of whether you had sex, it's still going to hurt.

You can't avoid things in life out of unreasonable fear. People were made to have sex, it's natural. People are having sex all the time all over the world. It has the potential to be one of life's most intimate and pleasurable experiences. It's an essential part of being human.

You don't have to have meaningless uncommitted sex. Go meet people, fall in love and have intense, romantic, meaningful sex. You can fall in love with more than one person you know. I'm not talking about infatuation or just "loving" someones appearance. There are a lot of great people out there, a lot of them are cute too. It's easy to fall in love.

Again I am not arguing with the people that avoid sex for religious reasons, they can't be swayed by non-religious arguments.

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not to be rude by have u been living under a rock.

i live in a rural, conservative town in michigan, go to a conservative school, and yet society around me is liberal. I mean people now a days (including my self) have no morals, and only are concerned with please. sex, smoke weed, every1 does it, every 1.

america has no morals. and i am in a racist, god fearing town of whites. your out in liberal cali, i can only imagine how f'd up society is there.

out next president is a socialist and supported killing babies after failed aboritons. we live in a sick country. is it shocking? maybee it should be, but what do you expect. never cornform to the norm, keep your values, cause once you loose em, there lost forever

Ok...WHOA.

Is anyone else going to say something about the large amounts of stupidity in this post?

First of all, Timothy, you use words like "racist" and "god fearing" almost like you think these are actually good qualities to have in a town.

That, in and of itself, scares me.

Second, Obama = not a socialist.

You're probably one of those people that also thinks he's a secret Muslim, aren't you? Haha.

Also, what exactly is so horribly wrong with socialism, anyway?

I have never understood why Americans are so afraid of it.

I mean, really, has consumer capitalism really ever been doing anything good for this country?

Do you not realize that certain parts of our society are already socialized and that a lot of other parts should be? Do you have a problem with public schooling and public libraries? Do you actually think that privatization has been working thus far for health care in this country?

THIRD, being pro-choice and not wanting to overturn Roe v. Wade is NOT EVEN REMOTELY the same thing as "supporting the killing of babies." No one is really "pro-abortion." Being pro-choice just means that you realize that abortion is too sensitive and polarizing of a subject to leave up to the government. It has to be a personal choice. The people who want/need abortions are going to get them even if they're illegal. We're just going to have a lot of deformed babies and dead women if abortions are outlawed. If you don't like abortion and it's legal, all you have to do is not get one. It's not that hard. Hell, I've managed to go all of my twenty years without getting an abortion. It's not like they're offered on every street corner like drugs or hot dogs.

We do live in a sick country, but not for the reasons you mentioned.

It's because we, as a society, promote intolerance, ignorance, fear, and hatred.

Okay, I'm done now. Sorry about the off-topic rant, OP.

i obviously wasn't using "racist" or "god fearing" as complements, i was pretty blantantly making fun of my town . . .

im not an ignorant person who calls obama muslim, that has nothing to do with socalism so i would kike to know why you mentioned that ? its the universal health care, against free trade, the bailout plan, redistribuation of wealth (making every1 equal), thats makes his doctrine socalist. whats bad about socialism? threw out history, it has been the transistion stage to communism, EX. wwII . . . communism sucks

if you have a problem with capitalism, get out of america. go to china or russia or cuba. it seems like thats what you want, and I have nothing agaisnt you if thats what you want. I believe in the American dream, that we all have an equal opportunity. However, who ever is successful should have better lives than the poor and lazy people. We shouldn;t take away from the rich and give to the poor, thats not American, thats communism.

my claiming of supporting the killing of babies had nothing to do with abortion in general, it is a necessary evil. i personally am against abortion, but have no right to tell a woman what to do. However, sometimes aboritons dont work, it called a failed abortion. the baby would come out born alive after a failed abortion, and Obama voted against protecting their rights. He said kill them. There was a clinic in inner city Chicago, after failed abortion nurses would put the babies in a room and let them die. They wouldnt kill the baby, just leave it for dead. This issue came to the senate, luckily they voted to stop it. Obama was one of the few to vote against it. http://www.nrlc.org/obamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

thank you thank you for reading, i look foward to your rebuttal, although i think you just misunderstood my points

Socialism works in balance with capitalism in lots of places like Canada and France, for example. Certain parts of their society are socialized (ex: national health care) and it works so much better than the unregulated system we have here. Privatized health care in this country is a shitty mess. Period. The system is corrupt. It's gotten to the point where even if you have private insurance, most insurance companies are constantly looking for ways to screw you out of your coverage. I find it funny that you mentioned Cuba since they actually have a much better health care system than we do here. A lot of Americans actually go to Cuba and places in South America for cheap, but high quality medical care that would cost several thousand dollars more here.

Are you aware that you sent me to the "National Right to Life Committee" website?

Not exactly an objective news source.

Anyway, though, I read some of the stuff on that website, and I don't really have a problem with the way Obama voted on that issue. I can understand why he voted against it. Again, this is a really tough subject. Sure, the baby is technically alive, but if it's still not fully developed (which it wouldn't be, since you can only get abortions up to a certain point of pregnancy), then what's the difference between killing a fetus of the same "age" in the womb? Since I don't have a problem with other people getting abortions, in the first place, I don't think the actual act of euthanizing failed abortions is anymore ethically questionable. However, I do think that there should be a more humane way to deal with such things. The hospitals that left the fetuses in dirty utility closets to die slowly are sick. If an abortion fails, what should happen next should be totally up to the mother. If she still wants to go through with the abortion, then the fetus should be put out of it's misery quickly and painlessly, not forced to die slowly in a room with other failed abortions.

i guess we can agree to disagree.

people have different opinions on things. i believe you have agreed that Obama has a socalist doctrine. And you feel it is a good thing. I feel it is a bad thing. The problems with healthcare was caused by terrible leadership, not by the ideology of capitalism. There is no need to debate, it is just our opinions, and i can respect yours.

the issue with abortion is, if the baby is already out, why kill it? What if it happened to you? If the mother was irresponsible in having unprotected sex and doesnt want to take responsibility for her action, then i guess thats ok. But if the babt is already out, why not just offer it up for adoption. Many married couples cant procreate, so the baby could have a good life, and benefit society. idk, obama is gona win pretty easily so i hope im wrong and things get better

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If you're not having sex for religious reasons, well, fine, I guess I can understand that, there's no sense in arguing with you.

But if religion isn't your reason, you are crazy to avoid sex. Yeah sex isn't a big deal in many ways, yeah it's overhyped by music and the media but it's an important part of being a human. At it's best it can be a beautiful and fun experience. Plus, like others said, sex is more enjoyable after you've done it a few times and get better at it. Moreover, if you have sex with a few partners, you won't feel like you missed out on anything once you settle into a long-term relationship.

Ah yes...all that you'll miss out on....possible disease, unwanted pregnancy, causing and/or receiving emotional pain... You've got to be crazy to take sex seriously and reserve it for a loving, committed relationship :rolleyes:

Jeez, I'm not advocating having one night stands with some person you take off the street.

Of course there's always a risk of catching an STD but there's risks in everything we do. Should people not attempt to fix their acne scars bc of the potential side effects? You make it sound like having sex is the only way you can catch a disease.

There's reasonable and unreasonable risks. If you practice safe sex with a person you have come to know over a period of time, you are unlikely to get pregnant or contract a serious disease. Get tested every so often and you should be ok.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

With respect to emotional pain, if you break up with your partner, regardless of whether you had sex, it's still going to hurt.

You can't avoid things in life out of unreasonable fear. People were made to have sex, it's natural. People are having sex all the time all over the world. It has the potential to be one of life's most intimate and pleasurable experiences. It's an essential part of being human.

You don't have to have meaningless uncommitted sex. Go meet people, fall in love and have intense, romantic, meaningful sex. You can fall in love with more than one person you know. I'm not talking about infatuation or just "loving" someones appearance. There are a lot of great people out there, a lot of them are cute too. It's easy to fall in love.

Again I am not arguing with the people that avoid sex for religious reasons, they can't be swayed by non-religious arguments.

Oh please, I didn't say sex is the only way to get a disease or imply there is no way to avoid it, but they're called "sexually transmitted diseases" for a reason, and nothing is 100%, especially when you factor in human error and misjudgment. So it makes sense that the people in this thread are being very selective. They don't want to be physically intimate with someone they are not intimate with on other levels first. Some people are a lot more sensitive. That supports my idea that sex can hurt the other person emotionally as well. It's not just about your fun. You don't always know what the other person is going to feel and expect from sex. People can say they are okay with it, but then later realize it affected them more deeply than they had imagined.

Sure sex is natural, but not in just any context. I am sure you can think of a few contexts in which sex would be unnatural & wrong (ie. with a child). Some people have different ideas on what the appropriate contexts are. For some, outside marriage or a loving, committed relationship isn't the right choice. It's not just about the sex having "meaning", it can be about morality, responsibility & vulnerability. Obviously, many married people have sex and don't have some deep, soul-stirring experience every time. Of course it is natural to experience the intimacy & pleasure of sex, and no one is saying sex is inherently wrong at all. They're just waiting for the right person and context.

You say "it's easy to fall in love", but I beg to differ. It's easy to fall into infatuation, and that's what you're describing. Real love is built on foundations that go beyond "great" & "cute". Obviously, many in this thread haven't found love so easily, or it hasn't been returned. Not all of them say they are waiting for marriage.

In your previous post, you were advocating having several partners and "getting experience". That doesn't sound like a loving, committed relationship to me either. That sounds like hedonism to me.

And sure, relationships without sex can hurt when they end, but they usually hurt worse for many when sex was a part of it. To brush that off is living in denial.

The point of this thread seems to me to be encouraging to people who choose to wait, as opposed to the usual pestering they get from people. Will you just let them have their moment?

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there's nothing romantic and beautiful about me pounding my girlfriend as hard as I can up the arse but we still love each other. is that wrong?

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Oh please, I didn't say sex is the only way to get a disease or imply there is no way to avoid it, but they're called "sexually transmitted diseases" for a reason, and nothing is 100%, especially when you factor in human error and misjudgment. So it makes sense that the people in this thread are being very selective. They don't want to be physically intimate with someone they are not intimate with on other levels first. Some people are a lot more sensitive. That supports my idea that sex can hurt the other person emotionally as well. It's not just about your fun. You don't always know what the other person is going to feel and expect from sex. People can say they are okay with it, but then later realize it affected them more deeply than they had imagined.

Sure sex is natural, but not in just any context. I am sure you can think of a few contexts in which sex would be unnatural & wrong (ie. with a child). Some people have different ideas on what the appropriate contexts are. For some, outside marriage or a loving, committed relationship isn't the right choice. It's not just about the sex having "meaning", it can be about morality, responsibility & vulnerability. Obviously, many married people have sex and don't have some deep, soul-stirring experience every time. Of course it is natural to experience the intimacy & pleasure of sex, and no one is saying sex is inherently wrong at all. They're just waiting for the right person and context.

You say "it's easy to fall in love", but I beg to differ. It's easy to fall into infatuation, and that's what you're describing. Real love is built on foundations that go beyond "great" & "cute". Obviously, many in this thread haven't found love so easily, or it hasn't been returned. Not all of them say they are waiting for marriage.

In your previous post, you were advocating having several partners and "getting experience". That doesn't sound like a loving, committed relationship to me either. That sounds like hedonism to me.

And sure, relationships without sex can hurt when they end, but they usually hurt worse for many when sex was a part of it. To brush that off is living in denial.

The point of this thread seems to me to be encouraging to people who choose to wait, as opposed to the usual pestering they get from people. Will you just let them have their moment?

I actually think we agree on a lot. But I am still a little confused by your position.

Yes you can get an STD. You have to be careful and not rush into things. Get checked out along with your partner beforehand if you want to be extra cautious. If your having sex in a monogomous relationship with someone you know to be "clean" then you have greatly diminished your risk of catching a disease.

Yes break ups can be traumatic. Yes a break up with someone you had sex with can make the split even worse. But that's only because sex can be such an intensely intimate and beautiful act. Whenever you open up and enter a relationship you put yourself in a vulnerable position. But if you don't risk it, you will miss out on love.

So, I still don't see why you are looking to deny or put off potentially one life's great experiences.

Are you advocating waiting until marriage to have sex? Do you think you should only have sex with one person in your entire life? Remember I am not arguing with the people who hold off on sex for religious reasons. Your arguments sound like they have some sort of religious basis behind them.

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I'm okay with premarital sex. I'm even okay with LOTS of premarital sex, as long as you are safe. I was having sex 10 years before I got married.

But I really don't see why it's a BAD thing if someone chooses to wait, either. It's up to them. If anything should be a personally motivated descision, for whatever reason, it's definately sex. I mean, it's not a religious experience, but it's damn sure not the end all be all of human experience, either.

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This thread reminds me of a quote I read somewhere, that your body should be in your soul's keeping.

If you are a religious person, the meaning's pretty clear.

But I think this quote holds true for us all. In the matter of virginity, I think it means that you have to figure out what the right choice is for YOU. What will make you feel that you are doing the best you can for yourself? Decide that, and then be true to yourself, despite what other people may say.

If a moral framework such as one religion or another plays a big role in your life already, obviously you'll need to take that into account. But this is not a "moral" decision for everyone. It's just a very personal one.

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The first time I had sex, well, I met the girl during the night time, and made sure I only saw her during the nighttime :-p

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Oh lordy, sex is funny. Especially when people start putting it on a pedestal. People can wave their abstinence flags around, that's great and all... i guess.

It's funny cause people start treating their virginity as something sacred. Well, at least women do, men sure don't. We're just trying to hump anything (women, knotholes, other dudes but it's too awkward a subject to breach, that spritely gazelle, (sorry)), while at the same time pushing this image on women that they have to keep their legs closed tight or they're spoiled goods. Men kinda shot themselves in the foot on that one...

That's what virginity means: "a man hasn't defiled me yet." That's what's so important to women? Eww, sex is unclean and animalistic... i want to save it for Mr. Wonderful so he can do the freak nasty naughty to me... in my vagina! The whole notion of virginity is counterintuitive... but it was taught up by retards who like stoning women to death, so what can you expect.

I have a penis, yet i find it disturbing when women get a sense of grace or accomplishment based on whether or not a guy has porked her. It's not self worth that'll be shooting out when you look down the barrel of a man's gun.... At the same time, manjuice doesn't have magical properties that will strip a woman of her hallowed soul. In horror movies, you see priests throwing holy water on the evil demon baddies. You never see demons running around trying to fling sperm at everyone. (I mean in non-porn genres, and if you could put up those torrents...)

For those who are waiting, i would at least advise you to research the subject. Sex is an activity, and it's easy to be crap at activities. Know the parts and how they function in the grand scheme of intercourse. Don't get all your information about sex from people who think it's evil.

And, your first time probably won't be that spiritual release you might be expecting. To be honest, most peoples' first times probably range from average to "i thought you were supposed to ejaculate after it's deep inside the burning inferno within my loins."

Sex is just sex though. Just like water is just water. It's not inherently good because it gives life, or evil because it drowns. It's just some stuff we threw a label on.

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i don't buy the whole "virgin because of acne" excuse. if you can't get laid there is something else wrong with you. acne will not prevent a girl from giving you some.

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i don't buy the whole "virgin because of acne" excuse. if you can't get laid there is something else wrong with you. acne will not prevent a girl from giving you some.

What about if you have terrible bacne and wouldn't want to subject any human being to seeing such a horrific site?

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Yep, I'm virgin and almost 18. Have had a few possibilities but didn't see it was "time" ,though.

Somehow it stresses me, a bit. I think I'm going to lose this "statue" before my school ends in spring.

I'm not religious in terms of having sex and I don't see it as "that big of a deal" but I really want my parter to be someone I have known more than a few days (hours) or something.

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I think alot of the people in your class did lie because i know alot of my m8s wud of. i wudnt because i am a virgin and proud of it :dance: I dont know why ppl lie about dat kind of stuff tho its nothing to be ashamed of. Unless ur one of them ppl who everyone associates wid not being a virgin and you are.

I dont think dat makes sense nut im bored and wanted to contribute

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