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Hi,

I already introduced myself here, if you don't know me yet...have a look then and say hello!

[email=http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Newbie-22-severe-cystic-t206824.html]My story

It took time and courage but I'm posting pics now, coz I have a real important question : HAS ANYONE WITH THIS KIND OF SEVERE ACNE GOT CLEAR THROUGH DIET AND HOLISTIC APPROACH ONLY???

I am back on the pill but will certainly have to stop because of my bad liver, and I want to know if going on with the diet and be more serious about it will be useful or not...if not what am I to do except accutane?

I need your help, I really don't know what to do anymore.

Thank you

PS : some pics have flash so that you can see how red and inflamed my skin is, and some have not so that you can see...errr...bumps. Sorry for your eyes guys, but I needed to be precise!

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I know this is not holistic, but go on accutane...

Find a doctor who knows how to do low dosage accutane. I think doctor in europe will prescribe it. He wil probably put you on predisnone to cool the inflammation. At this point you want to prevent scarring ASAP. You have no time to waste on trying to figure out HOW to solve your problem holistically. You can learn as you are on accutane.

take care..

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BTW...even if I could overcome my fear, I have problems with my liver and therefore don't think I could handle or even be allowed to go on accutane...I need to find an alternative...

I know my skin is real real bad, with scars etc...

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BTW...even if I could overcome my fear, I have problems with my liver and therefore don't think I could handle or even be allowed to go on accutane...I need to find an alternative...

I know my skin is real real bad, with scars etc...

Well, why is your liver so bad, you should take something, like herbal medicine to help your liver. But to be honest to clear your acne holistically you might have to take a mineral/metal. Like medicated mercury or gold ash powder. lol yeah you herd me, metals and minerals are much more powerful than herbs, also you would have to change your diet too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTPt9gVTGF0&feature=user

This is proof that medicated mercury can be eaten and of course the effects are very good.

Either watch the whole part or fast forward to 6:20

And yes these ayurvedic doctors know that all these heavy metals are poisonous but they have medicated it. Once i get some mercury im going to ask my ayurvedic doctor to medicate it if he can and take it in front of everyone! tv news media people, everyone!

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hI deGURU

i'm trying to figure out why my liver has gone crazy...i have an appointment soon to a specialist's.

Do u guys think it could be related to my skin issues?

And...mercury seems more scary than accutane! how do u know it will work on you or it has to do with acne?

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hI deGURU

i'm trying to figure out why my liver has gone crazy...i have an appointment soon to a specialist's.

Do u guys think it could be related to my skin issues?

And...mercury seems more scary than accutane! how do u know it will work on you or it has to do with acne?

i do think that ur acne could have something to do with ur liver, but also it may be other things too like your blood.

also mercury balances the entire body, all 3 doshas, which we all have inside of us as vata pitta and kapha, (In Ayurveda)

But truthfully i have no idea what it will do on me, until i take it to see for myself. Only problem is its really hard to obtain some mercury lol

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Yes its still possible to heal acne naturally at your stage but it just takes longer

I think you should go on an anti candida diet try bee wilders candida plan this is what i'm following

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

according to her:

candida blood/stool tests and food intolerance test aren't accurate

heres a comment form someone following her plan with bee's response under it:

" I have also had cyctic acne and it is clearing up now. My doctor

told me to take 50,000 mg of vitamin A a day and it has worked!"

+++Hi. When you take high doses of vitamin A ensure you stop

taking it 2 days every month to allow the body to adjust itself. This

ensures you do not build up too much, since it is stored, and become

toxic. It shouldn't be taken forever either. If you are better, you

should cut back to 30,000 IU per day. Vitamin D also is needed (they

work together), along with other "good" fats and oils, omega 3, etc.

Bee

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Yes its still possible to heal acne naturally at your stage but it just takes longer

I think you should go on an anti candida diet try bee wilders candida plan this is what i'm following

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

according to her:

candida blood/stool tests and food intolerance test aren't accurate

heres a comment form someone following her plan with bee's response under it:

" I have also had cyctic acne and it is clearing up now. My doctor

told me to take 50,000 mg of vitamin A a day and it has worked!"

+++Hi. When you take high doses of vitamin A ensure you stop

taking it 2 days every month to allow the body to adjust itself. This

ensures you do not build up too much, since it is stored, and become

toxic. It shouldn't be taken forever either. If you are better, you

should cut back to 30,000 IU per day. Vitamin D also is needed (they

work together), along with other "good" fats and oils, omega 3, etc.

Bee

Hi

Thank u very much for the links.

It's really interetsing to read that stool and allergy tests can be wrong...cause I did an anti candida diet for two weeks a month and a half ago or so, and I experienced a big die off, but when I got a stool test it was snegative so the doc assumes the symptoms were something else (lack of magnesium shown through blood test)

In the same way, I was tested for gluten allergy and it was negative, though I know I am gluten sensitive cause since I ve stopped eating it my face is better believe it or not, and yeaterday I cracked and ate a pack of plain wheat biscuits and got sick like hell today...

so maybe i should go back to ths candida thing...

I have already been taking vit A for a couple of weeks but not everyday and low doses cause i heard it's dangerous to take large amounts without medical supervision.

Does this diet work for you?

How bad is your acne?

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Yes its still possible to heal acne naturally at your stage but it just takes longer

I think you should go on an anti candida diet try bee wilders candida plan this is what i'm following

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

according to her:

candida blood/stool tests and food intolerance test aren't accurate

heres a comment form someone following her plan with bee's response under it:

" I have also had cyctic acne and it is clearing up now. My doctor

told me to take 50,000 mg of vitamin A a day and it has worked!"

+++Hi. When you take high doses of vitamin A ensure you stop

taking it 2 days every month to allow the body to adjust itself. This

ensures you do not build up too much, since it is stored, and become

toxic. It shouldn't be taken forever either. If you are better, you

should cut back to 30,000 IU per day. Vitamin D also is needed (they

work together), along with other "good" fats and oils, omega 3, etc.

Bee

Hi

Thank u very much for the links.

It's really interetsing to read that stool and allergy tests can be wrong...cause I did an anti candida diet for two weeks a month and a half ago or so, and I experienced a big die off, but when I got a stool test it was snegative so the doc assumes the symptoms were something else (lack of magnesium shown through blood test)

In the same way, I was tested for gluten allergy and it was negative, though I know I am gluten sensitive cause since I ve stopped eating it my face is better believe it or not, and yeaterday I cracked and ate a pack of plain wheat biscuits and got sick like hell today...

so maybe i should go back to ths candida thing...

I have already been taking vit A for a couple of weeks but not everyday and low doses cause i heard it's dangerous to take large amounts without medical supervision.

Does this diet work for you?

How bad is your acne?

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hey there,

what do you use for a topical?

I think a holistic approach can help anyone, but the question is will it be enough and i think the answer is: it depends.

I would strongly suggest going on antibiotics in the short term (unless you can't handle them because of health problems) while you are changing your diet and lifestyle. It can take time to find the best solutions for you and you shouldn't have to suffer while you're figuring things out. Have you tried eliminating common allergens? Often adult acne can be caused by food sensitivities, usually to dairy, gluten and tree nuts but some say that citrus, eggs, soy and various other things effect them. If you can get tested for common food allergies, that would be great, but you can also just use trial and error.

I would also suggest getting your hormone levels checked to see if an imbalance could be causing some of your problems.

Do you find that you're very stressed out? Maybe meditation or yoga would be good for you (I like taking long bubble baths). Also a healthy diet with lots of fruits and veggies + regular cardio workouts can't hurt.

Can I ask how old you are?

Your acne reminds me of how mine was in high school/early college. I still have acne, but it has gotten better just with age. So if youre young, it might get a little better on its own. good luck.

edit: I had moderate acne and a holistic approach + good topicals makes it mild/almost non-existent...

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hey there,

what do you use for a topical?

I think a holistic approach can help anyone, but the question is will it be enough and i think the answer is: it depends.

I would strongly suggest going on antibiotics in the short term (unless you can't handle them because of health problems) while you are changing your diet and lifestyle. It can take time to find the best solutions for you and you shouldn't have to suffer while you're figuring things out. Have you tried eliminating common allergens? Often adult acne can be caused by food sensitivities, usually to dairy, gluten and tree nuts but some say that citrus, eggs, soy and various other things effect them. If you can get tested for common food allergies, that would be great, but you can also just use trial and error.

I would also suggest getting your hormone levels checked to see if an imbalance could be causing some of your problems.

Do you find that you're very stressed out? Maybe meditation or yoga would be good for you (I like taking long bubble baths). Also a healthy diet with lots of fruits and veggies + regular cardio workouts can't hurt.

Can I ask how old you are?

Your acne reminds me of how mine was in high school/early college. I still have acne, but it has gotten better just with age. So if youre young, it might get a little better on its own. good luck.

edit: I had moderate acne and a holistic approach + good topicals makes it mild/almost non-existent...

Hi bran88

thanks for your message

btw thank u all for taking time to read and answer and help!

To answer your questions, I have been fighting acne for nine years and this kind of shit for five now, I am 22; i developped cystic acne from moderate acne first because of all the antibiotics I swallowed as a teen...I grew resistant :-(

I used every topical on earth and I am kind of allergic to loads of things now. I am currently steaming my face with sea salt and applying argan oil cause though my acne is bad my skin is real dry and flaky; yeah, weird!

I am on a French doc 's diet now, have been on it for a month but I just binged on crisps tonight...sometimes I just feel desperate. I mean I'm still in the phase of educating myself to my new habits which are :

- gluten free diet

- limit soy as much as possible

- dairy free

- almost sugar free (except for fruit and a tea spoon of honey in my homemade buckwheat based gingerbread)

- limited saturated fats and vegetable oil

- no processed foods

- lots of fruits (apples and kiwis actually most of the time) and veggies (one raw and at least one cooked veggie every meal)

- legumes

- brown rice, quinoa and buckwheat

- fish, lean meat sometimes, eggs

- i 'm trying to eliminate almonds (haaaard), the oly nut i'm eating

I cannot afford a food allergy test, it's real expensive here.

I also take zinc, vit A and E

+ a multivitamine + magnesium + probiotic

This is fairly new to me, and my parents and boss have noticed an improvement in my skin, but as you can see it's still bad.

I got my hormones checked and he said no problem here...i was kinda disappointed cause I was sure I had this problem cause diane 35 cleared me up three years ago.

I am unfortunately a very stress prone person, to the point I can make myself sick if I want...i mean if I am stressed too much I get sick, so if i can get sick i can get acne too..

Can you detail your regimen just to get an idea?

Did you grow out cystic acne just by getting older?

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there are think alternatives for girls that help balance hormones i dont remember what they are or how they work though, spironolactone comes to mind and something called yasmin, could be wrong about those tho but search this site.

otherwise stop simple carbs, dairy, and high fat foods if you havent already this could help you somewhat. Also get good sleep and stay on a good sleep schedule that allows lots of natural light during the day and pitch black darkness at night, our bodies are used to working with the rythm of the sun your body will function better if you stay attuned to this as much as possible with hormones fluctuations and brain function.

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fruits by themselves are good for us but at this stage I would really limit them to a minimal.

If I were in your shoes I would also go for therapeutic dosages of Cod Liver oil ( highly anti- inflammatory). See NdnRomeo's thread.

Regularise your sleep schedule ASAP. COMPLETELY eliminate Vegetable oils. ZERO sugar. And no nuts either. Get some early morning sunlight within 2 hrs of sunrise. And watch funny movies to destress. No emo songs for now.

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How did ur acne happen? Like all a sudden it starts to build up? was there any reason u think that could caused it?

I see that ur diet is really "clean" already....cant really pick anything out of it ( but try stop eating any fruit that tastes sweet for a while n see if it helps....natural or not..sugar is not good for acne)

and try follow this set of rules

"Food Combining Rules:

a) Low sugar and high water fruits (alkaline fruits) and vegetables combine with almost anything on their own.

b) If animal protein must be consumed, mix it with vegetables or alkaline fruits only.

Do not combine with starches, acid foods or oils. Vegetable proteins,

however, can combine with all alkaline fruits and vegetables, as well as good fats and oils.

In other words combine fish or meats with high water vegetables, instead of rice, pasta, bread or potatoes.

c) Starches should be combined with low sugar and high water content fruits and vegetables.

Do not combine starches with animal proteins or acidic foods, oils or high-sugar fruit.

d) Eat high sugar fruit on its own in all instances.

e) Good fats and oils can be consumed with vegetables and low-sugar fruits and also starches.

Low sugar fruits are: avocado, tomato, lime, lemon, non-sweet grapefruit and peppers/capsicum."

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fruits by themselves are good for us but at this stage I would really limit them to a minimal.

If I were in your shoes I would also go for therapeutic dosages of Cod Liver oil ( highly anti- inflammatory). See NdnRomeo's thread.

Regularise your sleep schedule ASAP. COMPLETELY eliminate Vegetable oils. ZERO sugar. And no nuts either. Get some early morning sunlight within 2 hrs of sunrise. And watch funny movies to destress. No emo songs for now.

when you say "eliminate vegetable oil" do you also mean olive oil? I cut down on them these days but was told it's no good to eliminate all of them so I was thinking of reintroducing olive oil...should i?

As to the sleep schedule...yes it is very irregular, I should look into that...

To Magic Dust: Here is my diet. But I began only a month and a half ago, and I still eat some crap now and then, but I am educating myself to eat healthy all the time.

I am on a French doc 's diet now, have been on it for a month and a half but I just binged on crisps tonight...sometimes I just feel desperate. I mean I'm still in the phase of educating myself to my new habits which are :

- gluten free diet

- limit soy as much as possible

- dairy free

- almost sugar free (except for fruit and a tea spoon of honey in my homemade buckwheat based gingerbread)

- limited saturated fats and vegetable oil

- no processed foods

- lots of fruits (apples and kiwis actually most of the time) and veggies (one raw and at least one cooked veggie every meal)

- legumes

- brown rice, quinoa and buckwheat

- fish, lean meat sometimes, eggs

- i 'm trying to eliminate almonds (haaaard), the oly nut i'm eating

AutonomousOne1980yeah I am on diane 35 which helps with balancing hormones (cleared me up three years ago) but I may have to stop it because of liver problems.

JacJack:if you wanna know the whole story, go to the intoduce yourself board. Basically, I started getting acne at 13 and it was moderate. I was given antibiotics for years and starting getting the type of acne I have now while I was on them. I think I knd of grew resistant. For a year or two I did nothing then went on the pill which cleared me up for three years but I had other problems s I stopped. It's been fifteen months now and now look my acne has come back gradually with a vengeance, and burst out this summer.

Thanks for the tips with food combining but t's not that clear cause I have the impresion c) and e) are contradictory ain't they? and I don't really get a) (sorry I'm no native speaker of English at all!)

Thanks guys for your advice

I hope this is still possible...I am scared...and scarred.

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I meant absolutely minimal fat (including olive oil). They are the real culprits behind the insulin sensitivity problem. The only fats I would advise you at the moment is EFAs (Fish oil and Cod liver oil). These will provide you vit A+ Vit D (in a non harmful way), and Omega 3 fatty acids (highly anti inflammatory) which should help minimise the current inflammation. This alone should help you a lot very soon.

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I meant absolutely minimal fat (including olive oil). They are the real culprits behind the insulin sensitivity problem. The only fats I would advise you at the moment is EFAs (Fish oil and Cod liver oil). These will provide you vit A+ Vit D (in a non harmful way), and Omega 3 fatty acids (highly anti inflammatory) which should help minimise the current inflammation. This alone should help you a lot very soon.

OK i'm gonna do that, thanks. I remember taking fish oil in the past and it was less red and inflamed. But I have a question. How do you do to maintain ur ratio of Omega 6 and 3 to 1:1;

what does it mean?

BTW, how severe was your acne?

Thanks

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hey there,

what do you use for a topical?

I think a holistic approach can help anyone, but the question is will it be enough and i think the answer is: it depends.

I would strongly suggest going on antibiotics in the short term (unless you can't handle them because of health problems) while you are changing your diet and lifestyle. It can take time to find the best solutions for you and you shouldn't have to suffer while you're figuring things out. Have you tried eliminating common allergens? Often adult acne can be caused by food sensitivities, usually to dairy, gluten and tree nuts but some say that citrus, eggs, soy and various other things effect them. If you can get tested for common food allergies, that would be great, but you can also just use trial and error.

I would also suggest getting your hormone levels checked to see if an imbalance could be causing some of your problems.

Do you find that you're very stressed out? Maybe meditation or yoga would be good for you (I like taking long bubble baths). Also a healthy diet with lots of fruits and veggies + regular cardio workouts can't hurt.

Can I ask how old you are?

Your acne reminds me of how mine was in high school/early college. I still have acne, but it has gotten better just with age. So if youre young, it might get a little better on its own. good luck.

edit: I had moderate acne and a holistic approach + good topicals makes it mild/almost non-existent...

Hi bran88

thanks for your message

btw thank u all for taking time to read and answer and help!

To answer your questions, I have been fighting acne for nine years and this kind of shit for five now, I am 22; i developped cystic acne from moderate acne first because of all the antibiotics I swallowed as a teen...I grew resistant :-(

I used every topical on earth and I am kind of allergic to loads of things now. I am currently steaming my face with sea salt and applying argan oil cause though my acne is bad my skin is real dry and flaky; yeah, weird!

I am on a French doc 's diet now, have been on it for a month but I just binged on crisps tonight...sometimes I just feel desperate. I mean I'm still in the phase of educating myself to my new habits which are :

- gluten free diet

- limit soy as much as possible

- dairy free

- almost sugar free (except for fruit and a tea spoon of honey in my homemade buckwheat based gingerbread)

- limited saturated fats and vegetable oil

- no processed foods

- lots of fruits (apples and kiwis actually most of the time) and veggies (one raw and at least one cooked veggie every meal)

- legumes

- brown rice, quinoa and buckwheat

- fish, lean meat sometimes, eggs

- i 'm trying to eliminate almonds (haaaard), the oly nut i'm eating

I cannot afford a food allergy test, it's real expensive here.

I also take zinc, vit A and E

+ a multivitamine + magnesium + probiotic

This is fairly new to me, and my parents and boss have noticed an improvement in my skin, but as you can see it's still bad.

I got my hormones checked and he said no problem here...i was kinda disappointed cause I was sure I had this problem cause diane 35 cleared me up three years ago.

I am unfortunately a very stress prone person, to the point I can make myself sick if I want...i mean if I am stressed too much I get sick, so if i can get sick i can get acne too..

Can you detail your regimen just to get an idea?

Did you grow out cystic acne just by getting older?

Hey,

Others might say different, but the diet that you're on sounds pretty strict (which is a very good thing to start with, when you get better you can try adding things back in) EXCEPT I would definitely advise you to eliminate the almonds at least for now. Others seem to have problems with eggs too, but it's up to you if you want to limit/eliminate them. generally they are a very healthy food.

I'm 25 now and have had a long battle with acne as well. I had pretty severe acne as a teenager but was hesitant to take antibiotics or of course accutane. My freshman year in college I caved in and started antibiotics, which kept me clear for about 4 years. When I was 22/23 I decided it was time to come off of the antibiotics and my skin got pretty bad (severe because I had cystic acne, but not nearly as bad as when I was younger). I tried laser treatments, which at least for me, did nothing. After a year of suffering, I tried to go back on minocycline which didn't work. FInally I decided to try a holistic approach. It has been an 8 month long journey for me but I think i've finally almost got things figured out.

For me, and everyone is different, the main food that i need to stay away from is anything containing dairy. I'm still questioning nuts, it seems like a few nuts in my granola is fine, but if I try to eat them by the handful it's bad. I eat a ton of fruit, have some caffeine, dark chocolate, and whole grain breads (lots of things people say you shouldn't eat :)) but I think it's really a personal thing, You have to experiment.

BUT diet alone will not keep me clear. It is really important for me to have a good topical routine AND a good stress management plan. I definitely relate to what you said about being red and flaky and having acne, I was there several months ago. I think it's the skin's revolt against years of abuse. At first I tried using all natural products, no strong antibacterials, and unfortunately this just didn't do it for me (I was breaking out). I did find two amazing topicals that I really like: Azelex (1 time in the morning) and clenia emollient cream (one time at night). My skin is very smooth and calm now. The azelex really got rid of my flakes almost right away, the clenia is a sulfur based cream, and I think it helps a lot with prevention/fighting active acne. I just use a gentle cleanser and I don't even need moisturizer because of the azelex. I use a "facial brush" (you can find it at health food stores for about $5) to gently cleanse and exfoliate my face.

Now it really struck me in your post when you said that you stress yourself out to the point of being sick. I've also had problems with anxiety. Think about it-- if the stress is making you feel physically sick, it's not so hard to imagine that it's making you break out, just another physical reaction right?

I find that making time for things I really enjoy is important, whether that's dinner with friends, a night off work to paint, a long bubble bath before I go to bed, whatever it may be for you...make time for it and don't make yourself feel guilty about it!

Also try incorporating either yoga or meditation or both...As long as you're doing something that involves letting go of stressful thoughts and just focusing on your body.

I find that regular cardio also helps me a lot.

Good luck with everything, I wish you the best!

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woaa you have a very healthy diet already and yet you break out like that??

I might say diet is not for you... or is only part of it

get plenty of exercise.. cardio half an hour every day, get SUN, during summer I am the clearest since I spend sometime outside (I know uv lights are bad for your skin but what the heck, half an hour of sun everyday in the morning will do more good than harm)

and supplement with cod liver oil (vit A, vit D and EFAS) good combo for acne.

and yes don't stress, sleep 9 hrs every day going bed early (10 pm will be good)

if this doesn't help you for 3 months then go Accutane.

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woaa you have a very healthy diet already and yet you break out like that??

I might say diet is not for you... or is only part of it

get plenty of exercise.. cardio half an hour every day, get SUN, during summer I am the clearest since I spend sometime outside (I know uv lights are bad for your skin but what the heck, half an hour of sun everyday in the morning will do more good than harm)

and supplement with cod liver oil (vit A, vit D and EFAS) good combo for acne.

and yes don't stress, sleep 9 hrs every day going bed early (10 pm will be good)

if this doesn't help you for 3 months then go Accutane.

Hi

What you have seen is my new diet in theory. I mean I slip some time or the other, and quite a lot in the past few days. Sometimes I just have boulimia crises and I eat the whole junk in my house and I get sick... that's why I posted my pics. It was hard to, but I needed to know if I had a chance going holistic.

Now that I have involved all of you and I have bothered you all for advice, I am going to stick to my diet and regimen and things and post my progress. It's a kind of dedication step, you know?!

What is cardio? Never heard of that word before (am French).

I am in an intensive stressful course at univ and all I can do timewise is walk fast and carry loads of books and laptop. This is my daily exercise...is it ok??!

I'm going to take the supplements and try to find time to sleep well...

I will give me a chance til Christmas. If I have good improvement, I will go on holistic. If not...I will cry coz Accutane is not for me (bad liver)

So...3...2...1...GOOOOOOOOO

Thank you all for your advice! ;)

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you are what accutane is made for. this is what i would do. i would take it and get completely clear from it.

after awhile accutane will most likely go into remission and break out again. you can start using holistic that way.

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