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My dermatologist lied to me

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Last year I got some sort of benign skin tumor in my face. It took me quite some time to realize that it wouldn't go away by itself, and despite having held prejudices that such treatments would be very expensive, maybe thousands of dollars, I went to ask a dermatologist about it. The dermatologist named some hospitals (far away since I live in a smaller town) where such tumors are treated, and I asked her what the treatment is, and she told me that "The treatment is named green zink laser" (name changed by me). I went home and impatiently called the hospitals she named and I demanded the "green zink laser" treatment. In the service I got on the phone, none of the hospitals knew what I was talking about. I asked them about what treatments they have, and they knew about the other treatments and even their prices (including Fraxel, which my dermatologist said something about) but not this "green zink laser". Since the hospitals couldn't tell me anything, I figured the internet would. I looked for online sources, and when that didn't help, I typed "green zink laser" into Google, and got zero hits. Nothing on the entire internet! I started to think that the dermatologist must have meant Fraxel, so I called a doctor and asked about it. The doctor told me that the treatment would cost totally about 2000$, but that there would be no guarantee that the tumor would go away. After this, I was completely confused, and still tried to find more information on the internet. Without success, I began to have violent mood swings and anxieties, and when I ran all out of hope, I quickly removed a significant portion of my skin off my face using my own hands. Yeah, there was a lot of blood involved, but I figured it must have made the tumor go away.

While the tumor did become somewhat smaller, my actions had made my skin into a large bruise which took a week to heal. After this, my skin was infected and pus erupted, forming a great many holes in my skin, which became deep icepick scars, and hundreds of blood vessels now decorated my skin. Many people no doubt have paid attention to this and wondered what happened to my face. I later found out by accident something that the dermatologist wouldn't necessarily have liked me to find out: the "green zink laser" was a very much aged technology, and hadn't been used in a very long time in any hospital, and what's worse, the dermatologist had told me that this was "the" treatment. She had lied to me, and I had fully trusted her. It seems my entire life is now ruined and confined to countless expensive treatments, and now I found out it was bullshit. How do you think I felt? What do you think I wanted to do to that dermatologist? And now, for the interesting question. Who should be held responsible for this? How would this work in the legal system of your own country? Should I now have to suffer because some highly trained expert doesn't know what the hell they're talking about?

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First off, you should've went to several other specialists. Second, you shouldn't have taken actions into your own hands and try to remove the tumor yourself.

Usually what I thought the way they remove these was cutting them out and then referring you to a derm to try to minimize the scar left by the surgery via laser.

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First off, you should've went to several other specialists. Second, you shouldn't have taken actions into your own hands and try to remove the tumor yourself.

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Your dermatologist should not have presented it as the only option but ultimately you would be considered wholly responsible to the damage to your face. I'd imagine a lawyer would argue that she didn't reccomend that you attempt to remove the tumor yourself and all she was guilty of was not keeping up to date with treatments. It sucks, but honestly you would just be wasting your time and money if you tried to bring this case to court.

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I'm glad to hear someone's opinion, but the law doesn't seem to be as unfair as some might think, at least where I live. I contacted a lawyer who specializes in the duties of doctors and the rights of patients, and he said with no doubt that my rights have been violated and that the dermatologist has neglected her duties in more than just one way. The lawyer said the responsibility in its entirety belongs legally to the dermatologist. He held it very likely that the system would pay at least for most of the treatments required to fix the damages. The amount of compensation the patient receives for the damages may be somewhat lessened if the patient intentionally caused the damage (which seems not the case, as damage was never my intention), but ultimately the responsibility cannot be removed from the doctor. To hold me responsible, you would have to argue that i have been even reasonably fairly dealt with, and that I have no right to expect the doctor to tell the truth. I acted almost the same day I went to the doctor and searched for the internet, in what was nearly a mental breakdown, if not worse. You can't bullshit a patient and assume he'll keep acting rationally.

The dermatologist is guilty of not keeping up to date with treatments, but I reckon she is more guilty of presenting it as the only option. If the dermatologist would have just mentioned the treatment as an example, then that wouldn't have been a big mistake.

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Just for now I'll spend some time waiting to see if I get compensation, and then consider further legal action. It's agonizing... But the dermatologist will pay dearly, in one way or another.

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Have you considered that you will probably be paying more in legal fees than you will get from a settlement? Or that your lawyer could be the one lying to you about the probability of winning your case to extort you?

Also, some parts of your story are confusing to me. Like what was the name of the laser your derm reccommended? Lasers are relatively new, and all use similar technologies. I can't think of one that is not used by anyone anywhere.

And you said your doctor presented one laser as the only option, but that she also "mentioned fraxel"to you. So she must have brought up other treatments. It sounds like she was presenting the "green zinc laser" as the one she thought worked, which doctors are allowed to do. Just look at all the dermatologists who ONLY talk about the treatments they have available in their office.

You keep saying your doctor lied to you, but why? she doesn't do the procedure and had nothing to gain. I can't see how she could be blamed for you disfiguring your face. She didn't recommend you do so and could not have foreseen it happening.

It seems like you are looking for someone to blame, even if it is not their fault, which is why malpractice suits are so out of control.

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It seems you have your mind made up on this but from someone looking in from the outside that lawyer is definately going to bleed you dry. You wrote "The lawyer said the responsibility in its entirety belongs legally to the dermatologist", there is no way this would work in court.

Say for example you work as a mechanic and a girl comes in with a complaint about a faulty engine. You remember the name of a part that was used a few years back to fix the problem and tell her about it (remember that this girl has no proof of what you even said in this conversation, let alone the wording you used) she then thanks you and leaves. A couple of days later she returns and has destroyed the entire engine due to frustration becuase the part you told her about is no longer manufactured and she couldn't find it. She then says she will sue you because the part doesn't exist.

Its just frustration your experiencing at the moment. If you try to take this to court you'll be flushing your money away AND your going up against a dermatologist who more likely than not will have way more money to spend on a significantly better lawyer than yours. Don't get scammed.

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Money is the least of my concerns. Like how am I going to live with myself for the rest of my life. I was very young when this happened, and the treatments will take off years off my life before I can act normally again - even though I'll never feel normal. I would sue the dermatologist and pay for it all, if only to destroy her reputation. I have nothing to lose anymore, but she does.

Also, some parts of your story are confusing to me. Like what was the name of the laser your derm reccommended? Lasers are relatively new, and all use similar technologies. I can't think of one that is not used by anyone anywhere.

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I'm glad to hear someone's opinion, but the law doesn't seem to be as unfair as some might think, at least where I live. I contacted a lawyer who specializes in the duties of doctors and the rights of patients, and he said with no doubt that my rights have been violated and that the dermatologist has neglected her duties in more than just one way. The lawyer said the responsibility in its entirety belongs legally to the dermatologist. He held it very likely that the system would pay at least for most of the treatments required to fix the damages. The amount of compensation the patient receives for the damages may be somewhat lessened if the patient intentionally caused the damage (which seems not the case, as damage was never my intention), but ultimately the responsibility cannot be removed from the doctor. To hold me responsible, you would have to argue that i have been even reasonably fairly dealt with, and that I have no right to expect the doctor to tell the truth. I acted almost the same day I went to the doctor and searched for the internet, in what was nearly a mental breakdown, if not worse. You can't bullshit a patient and assume he'll keep acting rationally.

The dermatologist is guilty of not keeping up to date with treatments, but I reckon she is more guilty of presenting it as the only option. If the dermatologist would have just mentioned the treatment as an example, then that wouldn't have been a big mistake.

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LMAO. so a dermatologist said something, then you went crazy and ripped part of your face off?

YOUR FAULT.

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I doubt that, if money was the least of your concerns, you wouldn't have visited her in the first place and be all picky about the prices of treatments available, you would have gone immediately to a top notch doctor instead of her.

You trusted her too much when you shouldn't have. The moment she said those words " I'm not sure" tells you that she's inexperienced in treating your case and you should have gone and seek a second opinion especially for something quite serious. My suggestion is forget about the legal action and spend your money looking for better treatments, maybe consiult a plastic surgeon as well. Good luck and I wish you all the best!

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If you can tell that the dermatologist is lying to you, why can't you see that the lawyer is too? This lawyer will bleed you dry and you will end up much worse then you did before. My mum's a nurse and I have been around hospitals also quite a bit and I have never heard of anyone winning a lawsuit against a doctor or medical case, neither did my mother. This lawyer sounded confident which is really suspicious to me because medical lawsuits are very draining and some may last up to several years. There is no sure win even if you have enough evidence, there is always the appeal in which the doctor can file and twist the case again.

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Say for example you work as a mechanic and a girl comes in with a complaint about a faulty engine. You remember the name of a part that was used a few years back to fix the problem and tell her about it (remember that this girl has no proof of what you even said in this conversation, let alone the wording you used) she then thanks you and leaves. A couple of days later she returns and has destroyed the entire engine due to frustration becuase the part you told her about is no longer manufactured and she couldn't find it. She then says she will sue you because the part doesn't exist.

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Say for example you work as a mechanic and a girl comes in with a complaint about a faulty engine. You remember the name of a part that was used a few years back to fix the problem and tell her about it (remember that this girl has no proof of what you even said in this conversation, let alone the wording you used) she then thanks you and leaves. A couple of days later she returns and has destroyed the entire engine due to frustration becuase the part you told her about is no longer manufactured and she couldn't find it. She then says she will sue you because the part doesn't exist.

Doctors have different laws than mechanics, and patiens are not defined as customers in the law. There's no law here that says that a mechanic has to be honest or that he has to inform his customers properly. There's only competition. Mechanics can basically lie to their customers, and has no duty to examine the car. If a mechanic does his job badly without actually damaging the car, the customer has no right to better service the next time; he can only choose to switch to another mechanic or another company. If the doctor does his job badly, then the patient has the right to better service the next time he goes to see the same doctor.

I experienced frustration one year ago. It's worse than frustration now. I wish I wouldn't wake up tomorrow morning. I wish I hadn't been born. Excuse me if I don't find this very LMAO.

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Wow I dont even know what to say.. It seems a little extreme to me that you went and took it opon yourself get a tumor out. You should know better than to do something like that, you should of also known to get a second opinion. I think if I was fustrated enough with my doc to take matters into my own hands id definately be seeing someone else. Im sorry to say but this one is on you. You are the one who messed your face up no one told you to do it, and no one stopped you from getting a second opinion.

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I doubt that, if money was the least of your concerns, you wouldn't have visited her in the first place and be all picky about the prices of treatments available, you would have gone immediately to a top notch doctor instead of her.

You trusted her too much when you shouldn't have. The moment she said those words " I'm not sure" tells you that she's inexperienced in treating your case and you should have gone and seek a second opinion especially for something quite serious. My suggestion is forget about the legal action and spend your money looking for better treatments, maybe consiult a plastic surgeon as well. Good luck and I wish you all the best!

What makes you think I didn't assume she was a top notch doctor? Like how am I gonna know the difference between a top notch doctor and a lousy one? She seemed very sure of the other things she said. Money didn't use to be the least of my concerns. Now it is. Actually money was never the greatest of my concerns. The greatest of my concerns was the heaviness of the treatment - I was told fraxel usually had to be done at least five times, which included the swelling every time, and no certainty that it would actually work, and no possibility to only treat one spot; the fraxel doctor I phoned said they would have to do the entire face or at least large areas of it every time.

A plastic surgeon can't make icepick scars vanish, and if he can, surgery always leaves a new scar. Full laser dermabrasion is surely the best treatment for the scar, but the treatments will take a long time since I have to go to them many times and every time wait months for the skin to heal.

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This is ridiculous; the derm made a recommendation, you decided on your own to do something completely different, and the doctor is responsible?

Don't spend even a penny trying to litigate this; you'll be throwing your money away.

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This sort of tumor is not to be confused with any life-threatening conditions such as cancer. It was a benign, non-malignant tumor, more specificly some sort of fibroma. They're far from rare, so it's suprising that the dermatologist would tell me such an outdated treatment. But my main issue is that she presented it as the monopoly treatment, even though things she later said and other evidence suggests that she had been fully aware that this was not true.

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Ok, what evidence have you gathered so far about her? First you said she lied to you which is true but can you prove it? If she is irresponsible, she may bite you back and said that you are the one lying instead unless you recorded down the conversation or there is a witness while she was telling you all these( I'm not sure about whether someone is present with you or not but I always visit my dermatologist alone), so if that's the case- its your word against hers and I'm pretty sure the public system will look into that before giving out compensations.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say you want to ruin her reputation? That sounds like legal action against her. Does the public system do that or take away her license? Again do explain.

If the getting the compensation is so simple, I would defintely support you but if it doesn't, I do hope that you don't waste any more time on the matter and focus on getting treated. That's the whole point on what I have been trying to tell you, not telling you that you deserve whatever happened.

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Ok, what evidence have you gathered so far about her? First you said she lied to you which is true but can you prove it? If she is irresponsible, she may bite you back and said that you are the one lying instead unless you recorded down the conversation or there is a witness while she was telling you all these( I'm not sure about whether someone is present with you or not but I always visit my dermatologist alone), so if that's the case- its your word against hers and I'm pretty sure the public system will look into that before giving out compensations.

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