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So I think I'm going to start accutane

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So I'm 18 years old, and I've dealt with oily skin (thanks to genetics) for pretty much my whole puberty stages. But recently, starting about 2 months ago, my acne reached an unprecedented state. I started to get inflammed all over my face, especially my neck and around my mouth, and I was a self-consious person before my acne got this bad. Now I simply have 0 self confidence. I'm afraid to meet new people, be in public, and all that. I've tried countless perscription pills, creams, cleansers, and natural ways recently to try to reduce it. The itching and redness is always there, especially on my neck, and I'm constantly reminded of how much I can't stand it. I was considering accutane once before, but the idea of not being able to drink at all put me back (mind you, i'm just starting college where it's a pretty much normal thing to get drunk on weekends. ) Will i be able to have some casual beers on weekends, rather than getting absolutely plastered like I used to? I'm just worried that being on accutane will hinder my college experience, at least until my acne is cleared up..

Another question I have is, how long does it usually start for people to clear up their faces once starting this drug? I can't wait any longer. I'm so depressed.

Thanks for all the help

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well, you ought to decide which is more important: drinking or treating your acne.

i'm not sure, but i think that accutane takes about 4-6 months to clear skin.

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dude if u wana control ur acne, u cant be getting "wasted' and especially throwin up. throwing up is horrible for ur acne.

i would keep the drinking to weekends, and just get tipsy, dont get wasted.

also, lay off the accutane man, drugs are bad for you. all u need to do is clean up ur body... clear skin starts inside u.

i did the 3 day apple fast and my skin is clearing up so fast its insane. checkout my log:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Testing-t...ll-t168950.html

i swear dont take drugs, its gonna lead to so many other health problems, and besides, accutane users always have their acne comeback years later dont they?

the human body is perfect. if u clean ur intestines and modify ur diet (nothing extreme just eat less fast food and no colas), ur skin will take care of itsself. after all our bodies are made up of only cells, and your skin cells will renew themselves every 20 days. so every 20 days you will have a new face! the problem is if ur body is full of toxins, every 20 days ur new cells are gona be intoxicated. so stop with the damn drugs, start being healthy, do a colon cleanse, take a multivitamine, and your skin will take care of itself. theres ppl that cure cancer just with thier mind. u can cure ur acne forever without drugs

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Trust me man, you'll have plenty of time to get loaded the rest of your life. Accutane has the potential to clear up your acne forever, for good. What is 6-8 months of not drinking compared to having clear skin for the rest of your life?

It's not a hard choice at all in my mind.

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it's just a lot easier said, than done in my opinion (not partying). I live in an awesome dorm surrounded by friends who go out and drink on the weeekends. Thats the scene I know. I want to hang out with them still, and thats why I asked if it would be ok if i had a few beers or whatever, got a little tipsy, but not hammered like I used to. I know it sounds immature and foolish, but thats just what I am. I'm 18 years old at a party school in Madison. And I can't deal with this severe acne anymore.

I'm going to a new dermatoligist tommorow in Madison, and my old one sent her all the files, and I'm not settling for anything less than accutane. I'm depressed out of my mind, and will be until my acne clears up at least a little bit.

How long do you think it will be before I see positive results (even minor)? I've read that it gets worse at first but then improves. Any feedback would greatly help my state of mind, as I'm starting this massive drug tommorow. Thanks!

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you could do serious irreversable damage to your liver if you drink while on accutane.

i don't promote drug use, but smoke weed if you must get loaded while on accutane -- it'll be easier on your liver.

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you could do serious irreversable damage to your liver if you drink while on accutane.

i don't promote drug use, but smoke weed if you must get loaded while on accutane -- it'll be easier on your liver.

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accutane is prescribed for 4-6 months depending on the patient and the doctor..

other people have mild flares meaning you could get worse before you get better..

the period of time when one sees improvement varies from person to person..

havent been on accutane but this is my understanding about the drug..

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I'm in my 6th month and I still get spots/cysts...but its different for everyone. My acne was very severe so its logical for mine to take longer... but still, whether it clears quickly or slowly on accutane you'll still be happier knowing you're getting treatment and it will go away. :)

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I'm in my 6th month and I still get spots/cysts...but its different for everyone. My acne was very severe so its logical for mine to take longer... but still, whether it clears quickly or slowly on accutane you'll still be happier knowing you're getting treatment and it will go away. :)
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Kid (aka Soccer89)

Your post is one of the most self-serving that I have ever seen on the internet. Let me see now, you say that you want your acne in remission, but you just have to party because you go a party school in Madison (I presume that you are referring to the University of Wisconsin). You must have some brains or you wouldn't have gotten in there. You say that you are immature, well I am glad that you intellectually realize that you are immature, you want immediate gratification but at the same time, you want improvement on a medical condition which causes you great anguish. In other words you want your cake, and also be able to eat it too.

Let's look at a few other things here like the fact that you are three years short of the legal drinking age and so you not only want a clear skin but you also want to be able to continue with what for you is illegal activity. I'm not going to defend the Age 21 drinking law, as I believe that if you can join the Army at 18 and can vote you should be able to drink, but the law is the law and the fact that you feel that you must violate the law to engage in drinking and that maybe you can't go five or six months without drinking indicates to me that maybe you have a bigger problem than just a severe case of acne. If you like drinking that much, and alcohol is that important to you, maybe you need to examine your relationship with alcohol. Only you can determine whether you are afflicted with the disease of alcoholism, but remember many alcoholics are binge drinkers who only get loaded on the weekends.

Let's change the scenario a bit, let's say that you are twenty years older, age 38 and you have a good job, a family and you get paid every Friday. You know that you have to use that money to take care of your family, but dammit, your friends at the office go out drinking every Friday night and get wasted, and since they are your friends you can't resist going out with them. You do, spend your paycheck on booze and buy everyone at the bar a round. Your 10 year old daughter needs dental work, and your company dental plan doesn't pay for everything and you end up spending your daughter's dental work money on your desire to drink with your friends on Friday night.

Not the same, you say ? Well in the latter scenario you are hurting someone else. In your situation you are potentially hurting only yourself and perhaps your parents and other loved ones when your liver goes haywire from combining accutane and alcohol. If you care so damn much about yourself, then why don't you want to take care of yourself and arrest a medical condition ? My guess is that you really don't hold yourself in high esteem and this bit about being immature, is an intellectual rationalization that doesn't quite cut it.

So you have a choice, be yourself and be a man, try some meds which have helped countless in their personal struggle against acne (not everyone is a success story but accutane is currently the best weapon in the arsenal to fight acne that we currently have from a medical perspective) or whine about how you are missing perhaps six months of illegal personal gratification, and worry about what all of your friends think about you. Funny, I thought one went to college to get an education not to get shit-faced. Funny thing though most of the people who are your friends in the dorm, you won't even remember 10 years from now.

Since you are weak, self-centered and totally lacking in any kind of discipline or really care about your self, other than gratifying the pleasure centers of your brain, may I respectfully suggest that you try one of the holistic treatments rather than a traditional medical treatment for your acne so you don't potentially risk harming your liver. Of course, many holistic approaches which can be successful look at alcohol as a poison or pollutant, so that might not work either.

I do consume alcohol in moderation so I am not against the consumption of alcohol per se, but if I needed to quit drinking to avoid any health complications, I would and not give it a second thought.

Best of luck to you, frankly if your attitude persists with other dynamics in your life you are going to need all of the good luck you can get.

Sincerely,

Joe Zit

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Joe Zit,

I've never come across more of an asshole online.

I posted on here as a result of my depression of acne, hoping for moral support during these hard times that you im sure (joe ZIT), and many, have gone through. What a joke you are. I mentioned the aspect of drinking casually on accutane, and didn't base my thoughts or post around it, and certainly didn't infer that I need alcohol in my life. Persecute me for underage drinking?! Man, I am surrounded my 40,000 people daily who not only pursue academic goals, but also give a shot at having fun and partying on weekends. Give me a fucking break. This isn't about alcoholism. Drinking a bit for fun on weekends is an aspect of college that is a fun one that you surely never experienced in your sad, critical life. Now if anybody could me give me any advice or encouragement regarding accutane, i would greatly appreciate it, and please disgregard this complete asshole's post regarding his bullshit presumptions of an annonymous online poster. You don't know shit my friend. Your quickly formed opinion of me is misguided buddy. Carry on.

P.S. Day two of accutane. Not feeling anything yet. :Fingers Crossed:

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Kid.

Since you know absolutely nothing about my college career, and you don't know anything about myself, you only reveal how very immature and self-centered you are. I have really great difficulty feeling sorry for you because you are doing such a great job of feeling sorry for yourself.

Once you get past Freshman English, if you get past Freshman English, you will learn that resorting to profanity only shows a great lack of erudition and a general inability to express oneself in a cogent manner.

Your response was expected and highly predictable, something that one would expect from a very immature and not too articulate 18 year old boy whose college career is at most, about four weeks old.

I won't spend anymore of my time on you in a public forum. Since you like to hide behind screen names yourself, and yet you deplore the anonymity of what you perceive as an ad hominum attack upon your person, you may PM me and I will gladly share any biographical and identification data regarding myself with you provided you do the same. If you wish to take this "dialog" any further I will communicate only with you via PM. Remember that when you post on a forum in the internet you are going to get all kinds of feedback, some positive, some negative, and some neutral. You seem to have a problem with negative feedback, well Kid, if the fire is too hot, then maybe you should get out of the kitchen. For the record, I am not unsympathetic to your acne problem. I bear the scars of the disease with me daily, so I can understand your wanting to have this condition arrested (I think the word cure is overly optimistic) so if it means laying off the booze for six months, then that is what you have to do.

I wonder who will be paying for your accutane ? I'd certainly be willing to bet that you aren't. You come across as pretty bold for someone who has yet to make his mark in the world and is still probably dependent on Mommy and Daddy. I would seem to me that the billpayer(s) for your medical treatment would be at least somewhat concerned about your choices. But then I'd be willing to bet that they don't think their bright boy just HAS to consume alcohol illegally every weekend even in moderation.

It is nice to know that there are 40,000 people at Madison, Wisconsin who have to drink on the weekend because of the pressures of academic life. (No matter that most of them are breaking the law, either, it's okay to obey only the laws we agree with, right ?) If you think college is tough, then wait until you grow up and go out into the real world. ..been there, done that, got the degrees. I wish I could go back to college as I'd enjoy not living such a stressful life. Kid if you can't handle college without drinking every weekend, even drinking moderately, then how are you going to handle the rest of your life ?

Sincerely yours,

Joe Zit

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Soccer 89, I am behind you 100% on this topic. I'm not too familiar with the educational system in america (im at university in Britain myself) but I understand that you'll be soon entering the period in your life where you start grad school. Your question about alcohol was so obviously innocent, that for joezit to suggest you had a drink-problem is, quite frankly, obfuscatory.

In Britain it is legal to drink at 18, and alcohol plays an integral part in allowing one to socialise with their peers, thus enabling solid friendships to develop. soccer89, you are completely within your right to want to have a few beers with your mates, as these years are integral to building the relationships that will see you through life. I suspect that joezit never really understood the social milieu that arises around having a laugh with a few beers; if this is the case, then i feel sorry for him, as he has used his own experiences to condemn you, soccer89.

I also am going on accutane very shortly, and so will be forced to give up alcohol for a while- which as you rightly pointed out soccer89, does not lead to the inference that i am dependent on liquor. lol.

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led zep, thanks a lot. Someone finally understands my situation and speaks up.

Joe Zit's excessively arrogant talk and ego makes his posts pretty tough to deal with on a board that is dedicated to moral support and help. I am glad he has decided to retire his "communication" with me, whatever you want to call it. Just another older asshole using his age and apparent endless wisdom to justify his negative opinions regarding today's "youth". Psh. Carry on.

Good luck with the accutane, man!

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Soccer 89 aka Kid,

How long are you going to insult me ? I never called you an asshole. You seem to have a MAJOR problem with older people, you probably think your parents are shitheads too. Saying bad things about old people is a form of hate-speech and there are laws against it, something you might consider especially if you "go off" on someone in real time.

Damn, I wanted to retire this 'dialog" but there is something charming about your immaturity and the fact that you are acting like a stupid little ass that really amuses me. (please note: I didn't say that you were a little ass, just acting like one, so I am not calling you an ass per se, an important distinction, compared to the ad hominum eptihets that you use to describe me) I asked that we continue the dialog privately if you wished, apparently you cannot abide by those conditions so I am compelled once again to reply to you through the venue of a public forum.

Let's quit flaming and take it off the boards, okay ?

Now let me see, so you understand once again my point: you are so immature (your description of yourself not mine) that you can't give up drinking for six months to save your face ? Man, what's wrong with this picture ? I'm supposed to feel sorry for you ? I am sorry that you have acne and that it is severe enough that accutane is the only way out for you, but it's your attitude about having to maybe giving up alcohol for six months that is waaaaay over the top.

BTW, I am not condemning the youth of America, UK or anyplace else, my issue is with your attitude, and lack of good writing skills.

I hope that accutane works for you and that it causes you no damage. Hopefully you will enjoy a better quality of life, start getting dates and maybe not be so hateful and immature.

Although I have said some harsh things, I bear you no ill will, but I feel that it is important that you consider all points of view.

Your pal (really),

Joe Zit

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Buddy, take it easy on the idea that because I'm 18 I'm immature and hateful. I am actually the opposite. (And I love my parents, by the way, and yes, they are covering the payment for this accutane. Is that a crime?)

I'm frustrated by the fact that you continue to use your "highly elevated and proper" language to try to talk down on me because you are an older, more experienced citizen. I appreciate you referring down to me as "kid" by the way. It makes me realize that I'm not actually an adult, but I'm a chidl! :rolleyes:

Give me a break, you haven't said a single thing that has helped me or eased my mind during this rough process I'm going through (which was the reason I posted here for the first time, in the first place). All you've done is alienated yourself from me and made it clear that you don't understand what it's like these days to be a college student. Let it be clear that I am not an alcoholic. I like to have a few with my buddies on weekends (yes, prosecute me, I'm not 21) and I asked a simple question if this would be tolerable while on accutane.

Now hopefully you don't respond to this, although I know it's going to be tough for you not to remark with something clever that you surely picked up in your english classes back in the day.

Anyways. It's day 3 now, still no signs of the tane workin. Still itchin' for some results.

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Soccer 89,

You know what ? I do owe you an apology. I shouldn't have referred to you as "Kid"...I genuinely regret that. Apparently I am behind the times, and the term that you used when referring to me: "asshole" must be far more endearing and more reflective of contemporary societal norms among university students these days. Please accept my most heartfelt apologies.

As far as the language that I have used with you, I sincerely regret writing to you as if you were a university student as I remember university students from "back in the day" and not some dreg off the streets. In the future I will try to be more simplistic. I have always regarded the University of Wisconsin at Madison as being one of the finest state universities in our country and certainly the flagship campus of the University of Wisconsin system of higher education. It takes a good GPA and some good SAT scores to get admitted there as a freshman. I was laboring under the assumption that I was dealing with someone who had achieved some intellectual attainment. I'm so sorry that you felt that I was writing down to you, when in fact I was only trying to address my observations on a level worthy of your intellect. Alas, I have failed at that as well. You see, I have known several University of Wisconsin graduates and have always been impressed with them. I was only trying to be worthy of your consideration. I have erred in that as well, I guess times have changed and since you indicated that you are rather typical of the UofW Madison student currently matriculating, I overestimated you, and will in the future when writing or speaking to Wisconsin grads, try to keep my language and demeanor simple and humble and perhaps a tad profane, again my heartfelt apologies.

I must admit that I am a bit mystified by your comments that it is more stressful to be a college student than in times past. I took the time from a very busy schedule to look at the University of Wisconsin Madison online catalog, and frankly the degree requirements haven't changed much since I went to college more than three decades ago. In fact, I was struck by a statement that I read which I will quote verbatim from the online catalog:

(this in regard to one of the core objectives of the University)

"Skilled written and verbal communication: excelling in formulating and expressing a point of view, reflecting and questioning current knowledge through reading, research and consideration of the views of others, and demonstrating the ability to use quantitative information to understand, develop, and respond to arguments"

My apologies having been rendered to you, I will now proceed to my point:

I think if you were to do some of the reading and research regarding accutane not only on this website but elsewhere, you would see that results aren't immediate and in fact it may take up to two weeks for your condition to begin improving and that the whole course of treatment does take 5-6 months. You are on your third day, and are amazed that there is no improvement. Acne is a disease that does not go away overnight. It is stubborn, and relentless and at times, at least in the context of my experience, seems to have almost a mind of its own. Might I suggest that you read some of the experiences by other posters who have gone through what you are going through. I think that you will see that it simply takes time.

So Soccer 89, I really do wish you the best. I have learned much from you, if what you say is true and you exemplify the youth of today, then I regretfully have seriously overestimated the potential of your generation which I have for some time had hoped and even believed that it could equal that of my parents who were of the "Greatest Generation."

With all best wishes for both your future health and academic success, I am yours most sincerely,

Joe Zit

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Ok. So you've changed this thread from the topic of accutane and acne to one about how you overestimated my academic abilities, and are scared of the direction of todays youth. All because of a simple reference to drinking under 21 (GASP!!) and a cuss word that doesn't quite match your intellectual standards? Interesting. I don't really know how to respond to you, Joe Zit, and i'm not going to because i know it will be ever-so-hard for you to perpetuate this argument (and thread) with rambling words of "wisdom" about your (now enhanced) stereotypes of today's youth and worries that we're not up to par according to your soaring standards, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand anyways.

But seriously, man, thank you for your kind words and general encouragement.

I'll update in a few weeks to let you guys know how i'm doing, maybe helping others who have been in the same situation as me.

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I didn't read the last 2 posts, because I'm a bit tired (for some odd reason), so sorry if this is superfluous.

Soccer89, you are a completely normal freshman with completely legitimate concerns. I don't think drinking is the best thing for anybody's body, but I'd peg your alcohol intake at around the median for freshman men at the massive party school I go to.

I also can't drink, so I thought I'd throw out some suggestions on ways to still hang out and party with drinking friends without drinking, in case you decide to go dry for Accutane:

If everybody is using the same type of cups, rum and coke really, really looks like . . . coke. If you don't make a big deal about it, people probably won't ask questions. This could probably be pulled off with any kind of pop. You can even go up to the bartender at the beginning of the night and discuss slipping you virgin drinks all night.

Um, this one would probably be more helpful if you were 21, but people, especially tipsy people, looooove whoever buys them alcohol and really don't give a damn if that person doesn't drink. (If you buy, buy responsibly. I've never bought anyone more than 1-2 drinks and cut them off if they seemed even slightly drunk or even a bit too happy/sad/chatty. I know an alcoholic, and I refuse to buy anything for her. Also, anyone who drinks my alcohol is not going anywhere alone and is definitely not driving. And, um, isn't drunk dialing an ex, either.)

I don't know if you've had enough time to really, really bond with anyone yet, but once you get that solid core group of friends, they're not going to care if you don't drink. Really. I promise.

Friends of mine that have thrown parties have served a selection of interesting non-alcoholic drinks . . . when I was the only one there not drinking. (Their idea. I brought water.)

I was in a sorority. (Well, I'm an alumna now.) One of the major components of Greek life is, as you have to have heard, consuming moderate-to-excessive amounts of alcohol. After all my sorority sisters adjusted to the fact that a Greek college student, hypothetically, does not require alcohol as its own food group, they started actually planning events specifically excluding alcohol just so it would be more comfortable for me (again, their idea). And, at other events, when everybody was drinking, and I was just chugging water, nobody even batted an eye.

So, there's my take on not drinking at a party school. If you haven't guessed, in choosing between Accutane and alcohol, I vote that you at least give the dry route a shot, so your liver doesn't stab you in the back later in life.

I hope you're having fun either way. ;)

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bonobogirl, thanks for the kind words, they made a lot of sense.

I have a question though. If at some points during my treatment I do engage in moderate, casual drinking (not at all binge drinking like I used to, and everyone around me), and my blood tests come back completely normal, I have nothing to worry about, right? You used the phrase "come back and stab me in the back." I dont really understand. The blood tests are completely comprehensive of what problems i may be having or will have in the future, right?

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bonobogirl, thanks for the kind words, they made a lot of sense.

I have a question though. If at some points during my treatment I do engage in moderate, casual drinking (not at all binge drinking like I used to, and everyone around me), and my blood tests come back completely normal, I have nothing to worry about, right? You used the phrase "come back and stab me in the back." I dont really understand. The blood tests are completely comprehensive of what problems i may be having or will have in the future, right?

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no, duane, i'm not willing to roll the dice.

I never would have thought that my first semester of college would be like this, but i suppose i have no choice. Im just being typical and trying to find ways around the truth and realization that i'll have to give up the notion of partying for a few months. thats all. I'd rather have clear skin. It's going to be a long and bump road though.

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no, duane, i'm not willing to roll the dice.

I never would have thought that my first semester of college would be like this, but i suppose i have no choice. Im just being typical and trying to find ways around the truth and realization that i'll have to give up the notion of partying for a few months. thats all. I'd rather have clear skin. It's going to be a long and bump road though.

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