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Scarless Healing

17 hours ago, OddMarket said:

The pens do allow you to adjust the speed and depth. But the Pens work at such a speed that’s it’s easy to traumatise the skin. Bleeding is not a desired end point. The rollers on the other hand are easier to balance in that regard. The general consensus is that less is more. Dr Letterfields book covers the science of derma needling and makes no endorsements. He covers both the pros and cons of electronic devices and rollers without reference to any particular brand or product. It’s a well written medical encyclopaedia on the subject.

Dr Lance Setterfield is a physician who was one of the first to try needling in his practice, he has since cashed in on that distinction with his $84 dollar book(or more) on the subject and "needling tours", "webinars" and $400 "online guide to microneedling".

His articles are written and reviewed by himself.

His Facebook page is riddled with contradictory statements and anyone that rebuts his statements are either deleted or dismissed. 

His "courses" are broken down into things that an esthetician ought to have been taught before needling. 

Rollers penetrate the skin unevenly, causing deeper penetrations hence deeper damage than a needling pen of the same length, the circumference of a roller edge alone assures tearing of the skin with each pass and lift, whereas needling pens have speed of penetration - this is even highlighted as it's major advantage in practise from the link below, so how exactly do they cause more damage when all thats done is gliding the pen across the skin? As compared to the dragging abrasive roll of a Dermaroller?

I'm beginning to suspect you might be under a payroll because not only is the doctor saying things like "microneedling can make wrinkles worse" in his needling guide site, he then goes on to say it eliminates it on his Facebook page!

Scholarly articles are available on the subject, free of charge. And they're peer reviewed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4976400/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122507/

To be frank a lot of good points were raised by the Doctor, points which like I said above ought to be in the mind of a well trained esthetician and not sold to you for $400.

 

EDIT : You're better off getting your info from other sources who aren't marketing solutions with drops of fear mongering mixed in. It all boils down to safety and precautions.

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7 hours ago, David4bay said:

Dr Lance Setterfield is a physician who was one of the first to try needling in his practice, he has since cashed in on that distinction with his $84 dollar book(or more) on the subject and "needling tours", "webinars" and $400 "online guide to microneedling".

His articles are written and reviewed by himself.

His Facebook page is riddled with contradictory statements and anyone that rebuts his statements are either deleted or dismissed. 

His "courses" are broken down into things that an esthetician ought to have been taught before needling. 

Rollers penetrate the skin unevenly, causing deeper penetrations hence deeper damage than a needling pen of the same length, the circumference of a roller edge alone assures tearing of the skin with each pass and lift, whereas needling pens have speed of penetration - this is even highlighted as it's major advantage in practise from the link below, so how exactly do they cause more damage when all thats done is gliding the pen across the skin? As compared to the dragging abrasive roll of a Dermaroller?

I'm beginning to suspect you might be under a payroll because not only is the doctor saying things like "microneedling can make wrinkles worse" in his needling guide site, he then goes on to say it eliminates it on his Facebook page!

Scholarly articles are available on the subject, free of charge. And they're peer reviewed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4976400/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122507/

To be frank a lot of good points were raised by the Doctor, points which like I said above ought to be in the mind of a well trained esthetician and not sold to you for $400.

 

EDIT : You're better off getting your info from other sources who aren't marketing solutions with drops of fear mongering mixed in. It all boils down to safety and precautions.

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I'm not affiliated with Dr Lance Setterfield in anyway. I Advocate caution. Why? because I've had Dermapen treatments with what I believed was a well respected dermatologist and over time I'm convinced that damage has surfaced. The nature of this concurs with much of what Dr Lance Setterfield has highlighted.

Frankly it doesn't matter how well trained your physician is, as a client you take the hit. I don’t doubt the science behind derma needling, it has its place. But sadly the technology to supplement it, to really make it work, has yet to materialise. 

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16 minutes ago, OddMarket said:

I'm not affiliated with Dr Lance Setterfield in anyway. I Advocate caution. Why? because I've had Dermapen treatments with what I believed was a well respected dermatologist and over time I'm convinced that damage has surfaced. The nature of this concurs with much of what Dr Lance Setterfield has highlighted.

Frankly it doesn't matter how well trained your physician is, as a client you take the hit. I don’t doubt the science behind derma needling, it has its place. But sadly the technology to supplement it, to really make it work, has yet to materialise. 

Apologies if what you say is true, there are a lot of horror stories for the device though, from granulomas to what have you, people using serums with so many actives etcetera.. 

Microneedling is safe when done correctly, you shouldn't needle any deeper than necessary, shouldn't use actives with foreign organic/non-organic matter, shouldn't use aggressive speed or motions, not necessary to bleed, shouldn't needle any lump, skin tag, irritation, rash, pimple or fluid filled bumps, shouldn't use on nose above 0.25mm, should avoid the sun, foundation, makeup, cream, skincare routines like exfoliation, physical and chemical like brushes, AHAs, Azelaic acids, Salicylic acids, Glycolic acids etc.

Even better when you go to a board certified dermatologist with good reviews on the procedure.

RealSelf is riddled with both good and bad stories on microneedling but in my opinion it's of those who had it done aggressively, too deep, foreign actives applied on their skin, no patient follow-up and poor aftercare. 

 

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2 hours ago, Armanilko said:

@Didikaxonim1Dude, are you seriously that dumb or are you a troll, that's a drilling tool ...

you are so funny. am I talking to you? I don’t understand

2 hours ago, Armanilko said:

@Didikaxonim1Dude, are you seriously that dumb or are you a troll, that's a drilling tool ...

if you don't like it, don't write and that's it. I won't force you

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15 hours ago, Didikaxonim1 said:

you are so funny. am I talking to you? I don’t understand

if you don't like it, don't write and that's it. I won't force you

I mean he's kind of right. It did make you look pretty dumb: people have been explaining what microcoring is for weeks, and you've been around for weeks... And you actually link some drilling shit that has nothing to do with biotechnologies and ask "hey guys is that it"? I mean yeah...

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7 hours ago, voulzeyes said:

I mean he's kind of right. It did make you look pretty dumb: people have been explaining what microcoring is for weeks, and you've been around for weeks... And you actually link some drilling shit that has nothing to do with biotechnologies and ask "hey guys is that it"? I mean yeah...

I repeat again. I am not English and I don’t know English well. I’ve already repeated it 100 times. If you don’t like it, don’t answer and that’s all. Thank you for your understanding

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2 hours ago, Didikaxonim1 said:

I repeat again. I am not English and I don’t know English well. I’ve already repeated it 100 times. If you don’t like it, don’t answer and that’s all. Thank you for your understanding

Based on your answer your understanding of English is more than sufficient, I'd say the problem lies elsewhere...

 

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This forum has been around for more than 15 years? Any new developments? 

Most people, I see, have flawless skin but mine still breaks out in rashes and pimples. 

Would love to get all these pockmarks  removed once and for all. 

 

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6 hours ago, voulzeyes said:

Based on your answer your understanding of English is more than sufficient, I'd say the problem lies elsewhere...

 

Good.

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@David4Bay you talked about Lifesprout, does their injectable filler have regenerative properties? For instance, if I got internal scar tisse removed and the injected their Lumina filler, would it regenerate my own tissue?

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6 hours ago, yepitsmewee said:

@David4Bay you talked about Lifesprout, does their injectable filler have regenerative properties? For instance, if I got internal scar tisse removed and the injected their Lumina filler, would it regenerate my own tissue?

Lumina is a hyaluronic acid based filler for volume loss, it has no regenerative properties I know of. Their hydrogel is the one thats regenerative and it's application hasn't been given apart from replacing lost tissue. Elastagen is what was described as what you want, scar tissue excised and the Elastagen placed on the wound site up to the wound edge. Be patient, the tech will come eventually. 

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5 hours ago, David4bay said:

Lumina is a hyaluronic acid based filler for volume loss, it has no regenerative properties I know of. Their hydrogel is the one thats regenerative and it's application hasn't been given apart from replacing lost tissue. Elastagen is what was described as what you want, scar tissue excised and the Elastagen placed on the wound site up to the wound edge. Be patient, the tech will come eventually. 

Hey @David4bay, I get what you’re trying to say, but I’m having them excise internal scar tissue (I don’t have any outside scarring).  Lifesprouts  HA filler temporarily fills in volume, while it also signals your own body to regenerate those tissues and then eventually the HA dissolves. That’s considered regenerative right, because your body is naturally replacing soft tissues? At least that was my impression. Hypothetically in my mind, one would be able to get vacuum out internal scar tissue (this is an actual thing) and place the filler beneath the skin until your own body heals itself. I still don’t really “know” what Elastagen’s products claims to do as they seem cosmetic too and just provide new elastin when injected. I don’t really get how this leads to scarless healing though...

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1 hour ago, yepitsmewee said:

Hey @David4bay, I get what you’re trying to say, but I’m having them excise internal scar tissue (I don’t have any outside scarring).  Lifesprouts  HA filler temporarily fills in volume, while it also signals your own body to regenerate those tissues and then eventually the HA dissolves. That’s considered regenerative right, because your body is naturally replacing soft tissues? At least that was my impression. Hypothetically in my mind, one would be able to get vacuum out internal scar tissue (this is an actual thing) and place the filler beneath the skin until your own body heals itself. I still don’t really “know” what Elastagen’s products claims to do as they seem cosmetic too and just provide new elastin when injected. I don’t really get how this leads to scarless healing though...

You may be right, I'm not familiar with the tech(the HA filler), even how Elastagen minimises/resolves scarring by elastogenesis isnt completely known to me as I haven't seen any live demos apart from the illustration video on YouTube and on this thread where it heals a scarred palm perfectly in their animation. 

You can try contacting the people working on the hydrogel, though they are still a clinical trial company and may not give you a definite answer.

And I recall internal scar tissue being an inelastic, fibrous mass that form adhesions between organs, never heard of vacuuming internal scar tissue and I highly doubt that's possible, do you have a source?

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20 minutes ago, David4bay said:

You may be right, I'm not familiar with the tech(the HA filler), even how Elastagen minimises/resolves scarring by elastogenesis isnt completely known to me as I haven't seen any live demos apart from the illustration video on YouTube and on this thread where it heals a scarred palm perfectly in their animation. 

You can try contacting the people working on the hydrogel, though they are still a clinical trial company and may not give you a definite answer.

And I recall internal scar tissue being an inelastic, fibrous mass that form adhesions between organs, never heard of vacuuming internal scar tissue and I highly doubt that's possible, do you have a source?

You may be right, I'm not familiar with the tech(the HA filler), even how Elastagen minimises/resolves scarring by elastogenesis isnt completely known to me as I haven't seen any live demos apart from the illustration video on YouTube and on this thread where it heals a scarred palm perfectly in their animation. 

You can try contacting the people working on the hydrogel, though they are still a clinical trial company and may not give you a definite answer.

And I recall internal scar tissue being an inelastic, fibrous mass that form adhesions between organs, never heard of vacuuming internal scar tissue and I highly doubt that's possible, do you have a source?

So internal scar tissue meaning that it is in my dermis and subcutaneous fat layers, not in the organs. I had liposuction done that left scar tissue where the fat was taken out. Theoretically it can be taken out with liposuction again or an instrument like the Tenex used in orthopedics. Although, this would leave an external scar. I'll leave a link and talk with my cosmetic surgeon about how this would actually be possible. 

 

 https://www.drbadia.com/video/how-tenex-works/

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Okay, if you say so then. Just do your findings before going about it because plastic surgeons regard scars they make as a non-issue or hide it when botched.

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On 9/20/2020 at 11:15 AM, David4bay said:

Okay, if you say so then. Just do your findings before going about it because plastic surgeons regard scars they make as a non-issue or hide it when botched.

Agreed, I am just trying to get a hold of Life Sprout at this point to ask them what the product is actually suppose to do...I am not even 100% sure you can get rid of internal scar tissue without physically opening up the skin again or using stem cells which are pretty controversial at this point.

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6 hours ago, Didikaxonim1 said:

(@re_gain) 님의 트윗: Elastic & adhesive surgical glue - #Glue #Health #tropoelastin #Elastin #Technologie #Biomedical #Elastagen - @Sydney_Uni @Allergan
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2 and half years ago Lol , Where is it ? And how this is supposed to help with acne scars ?

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16 hours ago, Miro said:

2 and half years ago Lol , Where is it ? And how this is supposed to help with acne scars ?

I found this information on Twitter.I don't know exactly where it is.but I expect elastagen to announce its clinical results sooner

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