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Hormonal disease/ stop washing

Hi-- I am a 30 year acne sufferer. I think I have something worth saying and I will post

it everywhere. After 30 years i believe this is a hormonal disease that affects the skin--

the skin is an actual body organ and needs to be addressed as such. Hence-this organ

is malfunctioning and NO ONE can tell me that it is a cleansing and bacteria problem.

I am going thru menopause and since my estrogen is dropping, the male hormone is

dominating and my acne is worse than when I was 20. I am searching into this

nightmare of embecile dermatologists to find me one who can prescibe an anti-androgen.

I am considering suing my dermatologist for NEGLECT and putting me on these

ridiculous washes and for ruining my immune system with antibiotics. Meanwhile,

a kind website owner posted on his body builder website about acne in body builders

using anabolics and androgen enhancers. He said Nizoral dandruff shampoo has

ketoconazole which inhibits the byproduct of testosterone that lies in pores and causes

the malfunction of the follicle. I know my terms may be off but this is the real deal

here. I bought Nizoral and left a slight film on my back and face until

I can get a better doctor. I have also thrown out any androgen

producing herb i have been taking for "youth" including-green tea, fenugreek tea, horsechestnut

for veins, grapeseed extract. All of these acidify the heck out of your

body and have an adrogenic effect. I know I may be incorrect but we need to

get past the dupe job being done to us by dermatologists and people selling

BP washes. I have seen suicide threats on this website posted by young people and

DON'T TELL ME THEY JUST FORGOT TO USE THEIR BP WASHES (oh yes, and the other

clown so called miracle ingredient salicytic acid. They are a joke and any real acne

sufferer knows it. Feedback if you have any is appreciated.

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ask your family doctor to refer you to an endocrinologist or a ob/gyn, they can run tests to see if you have a horomonal imbalance, you probably do because of menopause, ask them for diane 35, it's a birth control pill that has an anti-androgen in it and is more effective and safe than spironolactone ( another conventially used anti-androgen). horomone fluctuations can aggravate acne in people who are genetically predisposed to acne (acne during puberty, period, menopause...whenever testosterone is high). however, for the most part, the true cause of acne is the sticky cells lining the sabacious glands, b.p and salicylic acid (for killing bacteria and chemically exfoiliating the follicle so it doenst plug from the sticky cells/ subsequently trapped sebum etc) are very effective in controlling acne in people with a mild/moderate sticky cell problem. people w/o this problem can still be affected horomonally but its not as severe as people with the problem. i think what im trying to say is that the underlying problem for your acne might be the sticky cells and the horomones are aggravating it, although topicals just manage the sticky cell problem, accutane actually corrects it and dianne 35 prevents horomonal aggravation during and after the problem has been corrected. i think 30 years is too long a time to suffer from acne, just tell your derm you want accutane/diane 35, hopefully in a a matter of months you'll be clear for good.

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Hi P n C--thanks for the response. I have an appt on Monday with the ob/gyn and will ask for

Diane/35. I had tried Yasmin but threw it away after it made me fat in less than a week. Yasmin

also has the spirolactone. Which one is the best do you know? Anyway--back to the sticky cell

problem. Real acne can't be a matter of sticky cells. It's what is causing the skin not to

function properly to begin with. Sticky cells are the symptom not the cause. I am truly

trying to get to the root cause. I am sorry, but sticky cells are not a disease. Acne is

and sticky cells are just the result. Do you see this? Thanks for listening.

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Bacteria does play a BIG role in acne.

Acne occurs when hair follicles and the sebaceous glands inside the follicles are inflamed. Sebaceous glands make an oily substance called sebum. Too much sebum can clog the follicles and lead to bacterial growth and inflammation thus producing acne (cysts, pustules etc.).

The four basic mechanisms contributing to acne are hormones, increased sebum production, changes inside hair follicles, and bacteria. Androgens can over-stimulate sebaceous glands and make them produce more sebum. This in itself does not cause acne. It is when the sebum clogs the follicles that bacterial growth develops which causes the redness and infection.

Antibiotics supress the bacteria part of acne which works well for a lot of people but not everyone.

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HI!

I also have a hormonal problem (I've had it since I first got my periods at 14 years old); it took me YEARS to find a good doc that recognized it for what it really is!!

Diane 35 is probably not recommended if you in your menopause; and it isn't strong enough anyway! the best (and only as far as I know) anti androgen is called Androcur (the name of the active molecule is "cyproteron acetate") you should be able to take it with a natural estrogen to balance it;

I'm 29 and have been taking it for 5 years and it is a miracle for me!!! (but it doesn't "cure" you, it only controles the hormones; proof is I tried to stop it thinking I was cured and it all came back same as before!! so I'm back on it!)

I think the best kind of doctor for you to see is an endocrinologist (specialist of the hormones)

I think topical treatments and a healthy lifestyle can help, but I definitely agree with you that acne is mainly due to hormones especially in adult women;

good luck to you! don't give up until you find the solution!!

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I have also thrown out any androgen

producing herb i have been taking for "youth" including-green tea, fenugreek tea, horsechestnut

for veins, grapeseed extract. All of these acidify the heck out of your

body and have an adrogenic effect.

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yes green tea extract is purported to be the right stuff (see this fellow here ) and I am about to give it a shot.

I also remember reading a post last fall from a woman who claimed that Saw Palmetto was doing the job for her like nothing else. Though, she did note that she was taking about 1500mg a day - quantity matters here. Its specific mechanism of action is inhibiting the production of testosterone and inhibiting the conversion of testosterone into dehydrotestosterone (think i spelled that right). I tried this for a few weeks and it seemed to work quite well, but being a 25 yr old guy I figured I needed testosterone and didnt want to risk toying with my hormones to such a degree. I have found very little about green tea extract's effects on hormones - though it is known for its anti-androgen qualities - so I figure it's ok for guys...plus a few people from the linked post seem to be having success.

best of luck,

jonsey

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hi again, i came across a really helpful site, http://www.acnehelp.org.uk/dairy.htm, basically there are enzymes in the sabcious gland that convert progesterone derivatives into DHT, which "turns on" sebacious gland activity, im still trying to connect the dots on the evolutionary/biological relevance of the dairy-acne connection but this site provides a lot of info, hope it helps!

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I am in total agreement that hormones can and do cause acne especially in older women. I never had a skin problem as a young girl, but when I started on birth control pills in my 20's, it was the beginning of a never ending problem with my skin. After going off of the birth control pills, my hormones were all screwed up and then I started breaking out almost every month. I took Tetracycline and Accutane. These seemed to work, however, I haven't been back to a dermatologist in quite awhile. I haved had my hormones checked and an increase of any kind of testosterone sets off my skin problem again. Recently I was trying to diet and thought I would use a diet help...EstrinD. Wrong choice! My face, especially the chin area is now an awful mess and I am hoping that by stoping this diet pill, I will eventually clear up. I will talk to my GYN about some of the things I have read on this board. Thanks for all the help fellow sufferers!

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Hi All,

Cyndipa, I was going through similar problems, especially with acne and hair loss. I can honestly say that I have seen some of the worst doctors, awful!

I gave up on the conventional treatments and visited a herbalist last year! My acne has almost cleared up...my face was a mass of boils, it was a mess....I stayed at home, not wanting to go out. I am forty plus myself, so I understand exactly what you are going through.

The herbalist gave me a tincture containing an extremely useful herb called False Unicorn Root, I believe this to be the main herbal remedy responsible for helping my acne. It helps regulate estrogen levels, actually fools the pituatary gland into producing lower levels of estrogen, unlike Agnus Castus which raises FSH levels. I think that you maybe like me, in that you have estrogen dominance! This herb, plus chamomile is great! (Especially for those with rosacea)

I went through a period of detox whilst taking herbs...I can honestly say that I have never looked back! The other thing that I have learned is to look after the liver, liver cleanse, plenty of water, good food..exercise......STAY OFF ANTIBIOTICS! ...BUT USE.. Probiotics, ZINC and digestive enzymes.

Lipase is particularly helpful with Rosacea, as suffer tens to have lower levels..

There is so much more that I could write here....Herbalism works and it has helped me, I shall be eternally grateful to the herbalist that helped me!

Sorry to rush this post, but I just had to reply to you!

AS

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