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Hello,

I was taking 12g fish oil a day but I started to get rashes on the inside of my elbows, I thought it was just coincidence at first so continued to take the fish oil but the rash just got worse, so I've cut right down to 3g now and the rash is clearing.

Should have kept at it. You'd be able to breathe under water in no time.

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This abstract touches on the idea that genetics are influenced by diet, specifically omega 3s, and that cardiovascular disease can be improved through diet, possibly by incorporating more omega 3s.

I believe cardiovascular disease is similar to Acne because of the bodys inability to effectively deal with excess cholesterol. In cardio vascular disease(heart disease) cholesterol builds up on the arterial wall, and in acne the cholesterol is excreted through our sebum glands.

Bottom line is omega 3s may influence your bodys genetic programming on how it deals with cholesterol and improve this system of cholesterol efflux(getting rid of excess cholesterol).

Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Feb;83(2):443S-446S. Links

Genetic interactions with diet influence the risk of cardiovascular disease.Ordovas JM.

Tufts University Sackler School of Graduate Biomedical Sciences, the Gerald J and Dorothy R Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy, Boston, MA 02111-1524, USA. [email protected]

Single-nucleotide polymorphisms are an integral component of the evolutionary process that over millennia have resulted from the interaction between the environment and the human genome. Relatively recent changes in diet have upset this interaction with respect to the nutritional environment, but nutritional science is beginning to better understand the interaction between genes and diet, with the resulting potential to influence cardiovascular disease risk by dietary modification. Single-nucleotide polymorphisms in several genes have been linked to differential effects in terms of lipid metabolism; however, even a simple model of benefit and risk is difficult to interpret in terms of dietary advice to carriers of the various alleles because of conflicting interactions between different genes. The n-3 family of polyunsaturated fatty acids is underrepresented in our modern diet; much of the benefit of polyunsaturated fatty acids found in studies of various polymorphisms seems to be linked to increased n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid intake.The nascent science of nutrigenomics faces many challenges; more and better research is needed to clarify the picture, rebut scepticism, and re-invigorate the discussion concerning genetic polymorphism and its interaction with diet.

funny thing is heart diease is the number one killer in america for people 35 and up, seems that fat in our diet is a big issue. I wonder if incidences of acne are just as prevelant as heart disease, i would love to see those statistics.

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This abstract touches on the idea that genetics are influenced by diet, specifically omega 3s, and that cardiovascular disease can be improved through diet, possibly by incorporating more omega 3s.

I believe cardiovascular disease is similar to Acne because of the bodys inability to effectively deal with excess cholesterol. In cardio vascular disease(heart disease) cholesterol builds up on the arterial wall, and in acne the cholesterol is excreted through our sebum glands.

Bottom line is omega 3s may influence your bodys genetic programming on how it deals with cholesterol and improve this system of cholesterol efflux(getting rid of excess cholesterol).

Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Feb;83(2):443S-446S. Links

Genetic interactions with diet influence the risk of cardiovascular disease.Ordovas JM.

Tufts University Sackler School of Graduate Biomedical Sciences, the Gerald J and Dorothy R Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy, Boston, MA 02111-1524, USA. [email protected]

Single-nucleotide polymorphisms are an integral component of the evolutionary process that over millennia have resulted from the interaction between the environment and the human genome. Relatively recent changes in diet have upset this interaction with respect to the nutritional environment, but nutritional science is beginning to better understand the interaction between genes and diet, with the resulting potential to influence cardiovascular disease risk by dietary modification. Single-nucleotide polymorphisms in several genes have been linked to differential effects in terms of lipid metabolism; however, even a simple model of benefit and risk is difficult to interpret in terms of dietary advice to carriers of the various alleles because of conflicting interactions between different genes. The n-3 family of polyunsaturated fatty acids is underrepresented in our modern diet; much of the benefit of polyunsaturated fatty acids found in studies of various polymorphisms seems to be linked to increased n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid intake.The nascent science of nutrigenomics faces many challenges; more and better research is needed to clarify the picture, rebut scepticism, and re-invigorate the discussion concerning genetic polymorphism and its interaction with diet.

That is a great article, thank you for that contribution! It's amazing how much science there is supporting omega 3, pretty exciting!

Hello,

I was taking 12g fish oil a day but I started to get rashes on the inside of my elbows, I thought it was just coincidence at first so continued to take the fish oil but the rash just got worse, so I've cut right down to 3g now and the rash is clearing.

LOL @ all the turning into a fish comments :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But yeah, i'm glad it went away... 12 grams = 12 pills correct, and not 12 grams of omega 3?

I searched for omega 3 and rash and found this:

Since fish oils are derived from marine life, allergic reactions are possible. Stop using this product if you develop a rash

http://www.stjohn.org/HealthInfoLib/swArticle.aspx?26,2722

Perhaps you are allergic to anything marine life at certain amounts, not just fish oil. Do you eat fish regularly?

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I am currently taking: Multi-Vitamins (Non-Iodine) Flax Seed Oil, Borage Oil, and Evening Primrose Oil.

I take 2 non-iodine multivitamins a day

I take 2 flax seed oil capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 evening primrose capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 borage oil capsules a day (1000 mg per capsule) = 2000 mg per day

I split them up, with meals throught the day.

With breakfast I take 2 multivitamins with water.

With lunch I take 2 flax, 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

With dinner I take 2 borage, and 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

Along with this my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

I work out 5 times a week for at least 30 minutes (usually an hour)

And I drink lots of water, at least 40 oz of water a day, all the way up to 120 oz a day at the most

What am I doing wrong?

Should I stop taking any of the supplements?

Do you think this combo of oils is bad?

Really, honestly, truthfully, how long does it take for you to correct your Omega 3-6 ratio? 3 weeks to a Month? 2 months? 4 months?

You know, your diet is really healthy, how much acne do you have right now, and how often do you get it, is it better than before?

I know most people have had great success with using all of the EFA's like you are doing, such as bob mckee

But if you are looking to obtain a omega 3 to omega 6 ratio, you are going far from it, perhaps even more so than when you started.

I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla). If for a month you don't have comparable success on what you are doing now to last month, I would simply just focus on fish oil and start balancing your omega 3 to 6.

Your diet is fine, just cut out the nuts, and any egg yolks, they have way way way too much omega 6. Remember, we are trying to focus on our balance :). If you would like to continue with all the efa's it is up to you.

I personally do this: I take 6 fish oil's a day. 2 with each big meal that has a source of fat (2% milk). And then do this three times a day. Then I also have green tea extract 3 times a day with a source of non-dairy.

I only need 6 because the rest of my diet is really low on omega 6. Because as long as I can get in the 1:4 range, I am sitting pretty so to speak. Because it's much closer to 1:1 than the 1:20 or 1:50 most people are (and I probably was). Because think about it like this. Each pill generally has 300 mg of omega 3 (which is the epa and dha in the back of the bottle, not the total 1000 mg listed). if I get 1800 of omega 3 a day from supplements, even if I had 6000 of omega 6 in a day (which I'd have a hard time getting to!) I should theoretically be okay, since it's "close" to 1:1, since I know it's hard for some people to get to 1:1.

The other reason I advice so simply focus on fish oil instead of the others, is because there are 50 diseases linked to the lack of omega 3's or the imbalance. You'd be surprised to notice the quality of your own body and mind drastically shoot up upon taking this. It's already helping me in college, I can recall what I studied... during the exam, as if I see a general idea of the answers in my mind more so than before. Great tool.

The other part also comes from your skin care! It does what it says it does, but then you have to ensure your skin care is top notch so you aren't suseptible to break outs. I learned that just yesterday, because I found what I was doing wrong.

Just to let you know, I started seeing results within 2 weeks. The frequency and quantity of acne just diminished. I now couldn't even get a white head if I tried to. Because I realized the oil content is much more... how it should be, it does it's job.

So remember, diet = 60%, skin care regimen = 40% (exfoliate, cleanse, protect, moisturize).

Yes, i've been taking the pills for 13 days now, and i've been on this diet for 13 days now. I still get acne, a few here and there on my face, but no more cysts. I also have been using a good skin care line for the last few months. I also breakout on the back and shoulder area too so. I realized what im taking is the same thing bob mckee or whatever took so if its so much omega 6 over 3 why did he become clear? and what was his diet like anyone know? I am really curious about that because that would give him more omega 6 then 3 right? I haven't figured out my omega 3-6 ratio yet im still kinda confused about that part. But I can tell you the last 13 days my balance of 3-6 is much better then it was before I started taking these supplements because my diet was horrible.

I am very happy to hear that! It's very true, a lot of people notice that cysts seem to become a thing of the past, with this or green tea extract. Pretty cool, isn't it?

And you know, bob mckee's post is excellent, he is actually the reason why I got into this whole EFA thing. I asked him about it (it's in one of his threads) and he told me about it. So I made this thread and everyone here helped greatly in finding out why they work, what about them works, and what's the best way to go around it.

I never really knew much about GLA's (from the evening prim rose oil and borage oil) but I realize that GLA's help with inflamation and all that good stuff. This may also help you. I posted it a few posts above, but check it out

Much of the GLA taken from the oils mentioned or as a supplement is not converted to AA, but rather to DGLA. DGLA competes with AA and prevents the negative inflammatory effects that AA would otherwise cause in the body. Having adequate amounts of certain nutrients in the body (including magnesium, zinc, and vitamins C, B3, and B6) helps to promote the conversion of GLA to DGLA rather than AA.

It is important to know that many experts feel that the science supporting the use of omega-3 fatty acids to reduce inflammation and prevent diseases is much stronger than the information regarding use of GLA for these purposes. Two important, and most studied, omega-3 fatty acids include eicosopentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), both found in fish and fish oils.

So essentially, they also do help. But the fastest route is through fish oil.

Bob got clear, most of us here will get clear with EFA's, and since if you have any source of omega 3, the chances are the ratio will get closer even if it's not 1:1 and that's very good!

We all agree on one thing though, that EFA's are the most vital aspect in helping your skin, besides water of course.

One thing I noticed is that bob got clear within about 2 to 3 months, how he says don't expect it to be too soon, which is very true. But I think what happened there is since he included flax and some GLA's from epa and borage, it may have taken him a bit while longer to get clear since his omega 3 content wasn't as high. This is just speculation by the way. But I think the conclusion is that the more you try to encorporate omega 3's, the faster you'll be on your way :)

Definitely keep taking GLA's if they are working for yourself, and take fish oil as well. :dance:

And even though you don't know your ratio it's alright, I am pretty sure you must be somwhere under 1:4 depending upon how healthy your diet is and how much you are taking supplement wise. The closer to 1:1 the better, but don't sweat it too much.

But just keep us posted on how it's going, then we can somehow see how it goes. Also, please list your diet if you can, it would great for people to look at as well and give people ideas perhaps, since your body has also been responding positively.

my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

Also I included boneless skinless turkey breast, and ground turkey and whole wheat noodles into my diet. I eat alot of veggies. I drink 100% fruit juice with no high fructose corn syrup. I snack on things like original pretzels, whole wheat crackers. I eat mango sorbet for desert on occasion. I also eat sugar free fudge bars on occasion. I still drink milk but I drink the Darigold kind that comes from cows that were not treated with hormones. I try to limit my milk consumption to 8 oz a day anyway.

Ive *tried* to decrease my intake of my omega-3 enriched eggs, thinking about making them sans the yoks.

I am not eating walnuts anymore. They were 9 bucks for a small pack of organic walnut halves!

Tonight (for dinner) i'm making Itallian-style Turkey meat balls with fresh herbs, organic whole wheat penne noodles, and a organic roasted garlic tomatoe sauce.

One of my favorite dinners is a fillet of wild alaskan sockeye salmon baked in the oven with white wine and fresh herbs and a generous portion of steamed veggies as a side.

Oh by the way the Haggen Dasz Mango Sorbet is just as good for you as it taste, it's fat free, and all natural. It's made with mango and pumpkin puree and the taste is divine. It is a superfood. So is Turkey. I've been trying to eat all superfoods whenever I can. Sometimes my meals contain more then one superfood so then I have a supermeal. lol.

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I (reluctantly) jumped on the fish oil bandwagon this past weekend, and got a bottle of off-brand (off-brand as in not some national brand) Fish Oil caplets from a health store at my local Chinatown. Problem is, I can't figure out how and if the listed ingredients and dosage per caplet correlate to the advice I've read here in this thread...............that or I'm just really confued from the vagueness and quality of the labeling on this bottle. Here's the listed ingredients in this here bottle:

Serving Size: 3 Caplets

Amount per Serving:

Fish Body Oil, Natural Marine Lipid Concentrate - 3000 mg

Omega-3 - 900 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaeonic Acid) - 540mg

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 360mg.................Those two are a mouthful to pronounce!

Vitamin E 3.0 I.U

Other Ingredients: Marine Lipid Concentrate, Gelatin USP Water and Glicerin 672-BLSH

What bothers me is....................aren't the Fish Oil and Omega-3 one in the same??? I see that listed EPA+DHA added up equal the amount of Omega-3 listed, but nothing much else. The labeling is quite vague, but not quite broken "Engrish" either. It also prominently says "Omega-3,6,9" on the front but seeing the listed ingredients doesn't seem like it includes either of the latter two. Given the listed ingredients on this bottle, how many of them should I be taking a day??? Currently I'm taking two a day as listed in the directions, one in the afternoon (w/a B100) and the other shortly after dinner. My diet isn't what I'd probably call healthy though, yet it's also quite limited: Chef Boyardee products (mainly Spaghetti), Instant Ramen, and occasional hotdog or two and white rice as one of the mainstays in my dinner (I am Hispanic after all!!!). But I VERY rarely drink soda and mostly drink as much water as possible and to a lesser extent orange juice. How's that all sound??? I really can't wind down my diet more than this...............I'm a skinny guy whose had a fast metabolism all his life and needs to eat as much as possible to even put on weight!!! Yet I still have acne, meh. :confused:

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I (reluctantly) jumped on the fish oil bandwagon this past weekend, and got a bottle of off-brand (off-brand as in not some national brand) Fish Oil caplets from a health store at my local Chinatown. Problem is, I can't figure out how and if the listed ingredients and dosage per caplet correlate to the advice I've read here in this thread...............that or I'm just really confued from the vagueness and quality of the labeling on this bottle. Here's the listed ingredients in this here bottle:

Serving Size: 3 Caplets

Amount per Serving:

Fish Body Oil, Natural Marine Lipid Concentrate - 3000 mg

Omega-3 - 900 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaeonic Acid) - 540mg

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 360mg.................Those two are a mouthful to pronounce!

Vitamin E 3.0 I.U

Other Ingredients: Marine Lipid Concentrate, Gelatin USP Water and Glicerin 672-BLSH

What bothers me is....................aren't the Fish Oil and Omega-3 one in the same??? I see that listed EPA+DHA added up equal the amount of Omega-3 listed, but nothing much else. The labeling is quite vague, but not quite broken "Engrish" either. It also prominently says "Omega-3,6,9" on the front but seeing the listed ingredients doesn't seem like it includes either of the latter two. Given the listed ingredients on this bottle, how many of them should I be taking a day??? Currently I'm taking two a day as listed in the directions, one in the afternoon (w/a B100) and the other shortly after dinner. My diet isn't what I'd probably call healthy though, yet it's also quite limited: Chef Boyardee products (mainly Spaghetti), Instant Ramen, and occasional hotdog or two and white rice as one of the mainstays in my dinner (I am Hispanic after all!!!). But I VERY rarely drink soda and mostly drink as much water as possible and to a lesser extent orange juice. How's that all sound??? I really can't wind down my diet more than this...............I'm a skinny guy whose had a fast metabolism all his life and needs to eat as much as possible to even put on weight!!! Yet I still have acne, meh. :confused:

Is this from Chinatown NYC? I think that pretty much explains everything (I've bought $10 "Gucci" watches there!). The ingredients don't indicate any omega 6,9 and the amount of EPA and DHA seems like a lot for a fish oil pill, and broken "Engrish"? I say for under $10 and some piece of mind, go out a pick up a bottle of some real pills you can be sure about!

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my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

Also I included boneless skinless turkey breast, and ground turkey and whole wheat noodles into my diet. I eat alot of veggies. I drink 100% fruit juice with no high fructose corn syrup. I snack on things like original pretzels, whole wheat crackers. I eat mango sorbet for desert on occasion. I also eat sugar free fudge bars on occasion. I still drink milk but I drink the Darigold kind that comes from cows that were not treated with hormones. I try to limit my milk consumption to 8 oz a day anyway.

Ive *tried* to decrease my intake of my omega-3 enriched eggs, thinking about making them sans the yoks.

I am not eating walnuts anymore. They were 9 bucks for a small pack of organic walnut halves!

Tonight (for dinner) i'm making Itallian-style Turkey meat balls with fresh herbs, organic whole wheat penne noodles, and a organic roasted garlic tomatoe sauce.

One of my favorite dinners is a fillet of wild alaskan sockeye salmon baked in the oven with white wine and fresh herbs and a generous portion of steamed veggies as a side.

Oh by the way the Haggen Dasz Mango Sorbet is just as good for you as it taste, it's fat free, and all natural. It's made with mango and pumpkin puree and the taste is divine. It is a superfood. So is Turkey. I've been trying to eat all superfoods whenever I can. Sometimes my meals contain more then one superfood so then I have a supermeal. lol.

Your diet actually sounds highly delicious! Thanks for writing that out. And I think in the omega 3 enriched eggs... all of the enrichment is in the yolk anyway, since the whites generally contain 0 and 0 omega 3 and 6 (from nutritiondata.com)

I (reluctantly) jumped on the fish oil bandwagon this past weekend, and got a bottle of off-brand (off-brand as in not some national brand) Fish Oil caplets from a health store at my local Chinatown. Problem is, I can't figure out how and if the listed ingredients and dosage per caplet correlate to the advice I've read here in this thread...............that or I'm just really confued from the vagueness and quality of the labeling on this bottle. Here's the listed ingredients in this here bottle:

Serving Size: 3 Caplets

Amount per Serving:

Fish Body Oil, Natural Marine Lipid Concentrate - 3000 mg

Omega-3 - 900 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaeonic Acid) - 540mg

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 360mg.................Those two are a mouthful to pronounce!

Vitamin E 3.0 I.U

Other Ingredients: Marine Lipid Concentrate, Gelatin USP Water and Glicerin 672-BLSH

What bothers me is....................aren't the Fish Oil and Omega-3 one in the same??? I see that listed EPA+DHA added up equal the amount of Omega-3 listed, but nothing much else. The labeling is quite vague, but not quite broken "Engrish" either. It also prominently says "Omega-3,6,9" on the front but seeing the listed ingredients doesn't seem like it includes either of the latter two. Given the listed ingredients on this bottle, how many of them should I be taking a day??? Currently I'm taking two a day as listed in the directions, one in the afternoon (w/a B100) and the other shortly after dinner. My diet isn't what I'd probably call healthy though, yet it's also quite limited: Chef Boyardee products (mainly Spaghetti), Instant Ramen, and occasional hotdog or two and white rice as one of the mainstays in my dinner (I am Hispanic after all!!!). But I VERY rarely drink soda and mostly drink as much water as possible and to a lesser extent orange juice. How's that all sound??? I really can't wind down my diet more than this...............I'm a skinny guy whose had a fast metabolism all his life and needs to eat as much as possible to even put on weight!!! Yet I still have acne, meh. :confused:

Is this from Chinatown NYC? I think that pretty much explains everything (I've bought $10 "Gucci" watches there!). The ingredients don't indicate any omega 6,9 and the amount of EPA and DHA seems like a lot for a fish oil pill, and broken "Engrish"? I say for under $10 and some piece of mind, go out a pick up a bottle of some real pills you can be sure about!

Exactly, original poster, please do not buy off brands, you don't know what's really in them, and I know you don't want to risk your health :). Don't do it half done by saving a few bucks. These supplements are generally "cheap" in relation to the benefits, so buy quality, and reap the benefits.

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I (reluctantly) jumped on the fish oil bandwagon this past weekend, and got a bottle of off-brand (off-brand as in not some national brand) Fish Oil caplets from a health store at my local Chinatown. Problem is, I can't figure out how and if the listed ingredients and dosage per caplet correlate to the advice I've read here in this thread...............that or I'm just really confued from the vagueness and quality of the labeling on this bottle. Here's the listed ingredients in this here bottle:

Serving Size: 3 Caplets

Amount per Serving:

Fish Body Oil, Natural Marine Lipid Concentrate - 3000 mg

Omega-3 - 900 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaeonic Acid) - 540mg

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 360mg.................Those two are a mouthful to pronounce!

Vitamin E 3.0 I.U

Other Ingredients: Marine Lipid Concentrate, Gelatin USP Water and Glicerin 672-BLSH

What bothers me is....................aren't the Fish Oil and Omega-3 one in the same??? I see that listed EPA+DHA added up equal the amount of Omega-3 listed, but nothing much else. The labeling is quite vague, but not quite broken "Engrish" either. It also prominently says "Omega-3,6,9" on the front but seeing the listed ingredients doesn't seem like it includes either of the latter two. Given the listed ingredients on this bottle, how many of them should I be taking a day??? Currently I'm taking two a day as listed in the directions, one in the afternoon (w/a B100) and the other shortly after dinner. My diet isn't what I'd probably call healthy though, yet it's also quite limited: Chef Boyardee products (mainly Spaghetti), Instant Ramen, and occasional hotdog or two and white rice as one of the mainstays in my dinner (I am Hispanic after all!!!). But I VERY rarely drink soda and mostly drink as much water as possible and to a lesser extent orange juice. How's that all sound??? I really can't wind down my diet more than this...............I'm a skinny guy whose had a fast metabolism all his life and needs to eat as much as possible to even put on weight!!! Yet I still have acne, meh. :confused:

Is this from Chinatown NYC? I think that pretty much explains everything (I've bought $10 "Gucci" watches there!). The ingredients don't indicate any omega 6,9 and the amount of EPA and DHA seems like a lot for a fish oil pill, and broken "Engrish"? I say for under $10 and some piece of mind, go out a pick up a bottle of some real pills you can be sure about!

Well, it wasn't off a street vendor that's for sure! :naughty: And yes, it is here in NYC. But there was no "Engrish" on the bottles though, I just said that the labeling isn't as bad as that. The store was modest, but didn't look or sell anything that was black market, filled with mercury or of dubious quality................except for the labels on my bottle. :shifty:

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[quote name='BigBeauty' post='1759737' date='Mar 22 2007, 09:26 \

Well, it wasn't off a street vendor that's for sure! :naughty: And yes, it is here in NYC. But there was no "Engrish" on the bottles though, I just said that the labeling isn't as bad as that. The store was modest, but didn't look or sell anything that was black market, filled with mercury or of dubious quality................except for the labels on my bottle. :shifty:

Return them or discard them, I've read articles saying that you shouldn't buy from mom-pop type stores like that, as you don't know if there is mercury contamination in them, or if they are improperly capsulized. Who knows, perhaps they are useless.

I would still go buy from the NOW brand, or from walgreens, or a big retailer, hence being 100% sure. You don't want any adverse side effects of any mercury poisoning.

Stay cautious and healthy :) And be sure to do it properly

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I (reluctantly) jumped on the fish oil bandwagon this past weekend, and got a bottle of off-brand (off-brand as in not some national brand) Fish Oil caplets from a health store at my local Chinatown. Problem is, I can't figure out how and if the listed ingredients and dosage per caplet correlate to the advice I've read here in this thread...............that or I'm just really confued from the vagueness and quality of the labeling on this bottle. Here's the listed ingredients in this here bottle:

Serving Size: 3 Caplets

Amount per Serving:

Fish Body Oil, Natural Marine Lipid Concentrate - 3000 mg

Omega-3 - 900 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaeonic Acid) - 540mg

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 360mg.................Those two are a mouthful to pronounce!

Vitamin E 3.0 I.U

Other Ingredients: Marine Lipid Concentrate, Gelatin USP Water and Glicerin 672-BLSH

What bothers me is....................aren't the Fish Oil and Omega-3 one in the same??? I see that listed EPA+DHA added up equal the amount of Omega-3 listed, but nothing much else. The labeling is quite vague, but not quite broken "Engrish" either. It also prominently says "Omega-3,6,9" on the front but seeing the listed ingredients doesn't seem like it includes either of the latter two. Given the listed ingredients on this bottle, how many of them should I be taking a day??? Currently I'm taking two a day as listed in the directions, one in the afternoon (w/a B100) and the other shortly after dinner. My diet isn't what I'd probably call healthy though, yet it's also quite limited: Chef Boyardee products (mainly Spaghetti), Instant Ramen, and occasional hotdog or two and white rice as one of the mainstays in my dinner (I am Hispanic after all!!!). But I VERY rarely drink soda and mostly drink as much water as possible and to a lesser extent orange juice. How's that all sound??? I really can't wind down my diet more than this...............I'm a skinny guy whose had a fast metabolism all his life and needs to eat as much as possible to even put on weight!!! Yet I still have acne, meh. :confused:

Is this from Chinatown NYC? I think that pretty much explains everything (I've bought $10 "Gucci" watches there!). The ingredients don't indicate any omega 6,9 and the amount of EPA and DHA seems like a lot for a fish oil pill, and broken "Engrish"? I say for under $10 and some piece of mind, go out a pick up a bottle of some real pills you can be sure about!

Well, it wasn't off a street vendor that's for sure! :naughty: And yes, it is here in NYC. But there was no "Engrish" on the bottles though, I just said that the labeling isn't as bad as that. The store was modest, but didn't look or sell anything that was black market, filled with mercury or of dubious quality................except for the labels on my bottle. :shifty:

Fish oil is one of those things you really don't want to chance. Quality matters. If your not sure of the product looks questionable. Crappy quality fish oil can be so dmamaged that it is useless if it isn't preserved correctly, You also run the risk of contaminants and impurites like mercury and such. Now, if you were going to buy some vitamin C or zinc than it really doesn't matter where you get it, but fish oil and flax seed oil are exceptions because EFA's are VERY fragile and need special care.

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Well, if it's of any help the pills are softgels and it is listed that they are distributed by a local company here in NYC (not too far from Chinatown). Yet the label also mentions the pills are free of preservatives. I'm just trying to give you guys an idea of where I bought these pills, as my mother has purchased fish oil pills for herself from them before and she's doing alright. Just throwing that out there before anyone jumps the gun. But if in fact I can't trust the quality of fish oil from mom-pop stores, guess I'll have to start searching for some name brand ones. *grumbles, cusses under his breath like Muttley from Wacky Races*

Lastly..............is it normal for the bottle of pills to have an organic kind of smell to them???

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if you are taking fish oil, you should also increase your antioxidant intake to protect them from free radicals.

I would suggest taking either an acai supplement or drinking acai juice as it is a powerful antioxidant, i think nac would also be good to take i think it boosts glutathione in the body and that is also a powerful anti oxidant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_peroxidation

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Well, if it's of any help the pills are softgels and it is listed that they are distributed by a local company here in NYC (not too far from Chinatown). Yet the label also mentions the pills are free of preservatives. I'm just trying to give you guys an idea of where I bought these pills, as my mother has purchased fish oil pills for herself from them before and she's doing alright. Just throwing that out there before anyone jumps the gun. But if in fact I can't trust the quality of fish oil from mom-pop stores, guess I'll have to start searching for some name brand ones. *grumbles, cusses under his breath like Muttley from Wacky Races*

Lastly..............is it normal for the bottle of pills to have an organic kind of smell to them???

"Free of preservatives". that doesn't sound good. You WANT preservatives and plenty of them or else the fish oil will likely have rotted by the time you get it. The smell doesn't sound good, either. Higher quality pills are usually totally odorless.

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Well, if it's of any help the pills are softgels and it is listed that they are distributed by a local company here in NYC (not too far from Chinatown). Yet the label also mentions the pills are free of preservatives. I'm just trying to give you guys an idea of where I bought these pills, as my mother has purchased fish oil pills for herself from them before and she's doing alright. Just throwing that out there before anyone jumps the gun. But if in fact I can't trust the quality of fish oil from mom-pop stores, guess I'll have to start searching for some name brand ones. *grumbles, cusses under his breath like Muttley from Wacky Races*

Lastly..............is it normal for the bottle of pills to have an organic kind of smell to them???

"Free of preservatives". that doesn't sound good. You WANT preservatives and plenty of them or else the fish oil will likely have rotted by the time you get it. The smell doesn't sound good, either. Higher quality pills are usually totally odorless.

$10!!!!!!! Move on man!!! For under $10 you can buy a small bottle of anything decent and be sure. Hell, throw the old bottle on eBay or something if you have to. Yes, you can try taking what you are and it might be okay afterall and you might completely clear up and then laugh in all our faces! But until that happens I don't think most of us feel that good about the bottle you're describing. Good luck whatever you end up doing.

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Fine, if you guys really insist. It's that I'm such a stubborn and frugal person, for better or worse. I'm hauling ass tomorrow to buy some name brand ones. Do they happen to sell fish oil pills at GNC and/or Vitamin Shoppe, because those are the only two vitamin stores that come to mind and that I've seen around my way...............

To think a week ago I thought I was all high and mighty for having bought a bottle of "natural, Chinese-made" fish oil pills, which smell and are better than those "processed, name brand" ones. :shifty:

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Fine, if you guys really insist. It's that I'm such a stubborn and frugal person, for better or worse. I'm hauling ass tomorrow to buy some name brand ones. Do they happen to sell fish oil pills at GNC and/or Vitamin Shoppe, because those are the only two vitamin stores that come to mind and that I've seen around my way...............

To think a week ago I thought I was all high and mighty for having bought a bottle of "natural, Chinese-made" fish oil pills, which smell and are better than those "processed, name brand" ones. :shifty:

Those are fine too, just get something reputable. I mean just imagine all the lost money from the past items you've tried and failed at. At least you can be happy knowing this is something which will make your skin into something it's never been. :) I always used to do that, and still do for topical items, as you see from my posts before hand. I experiment, and trash if it sucks.. etc etc. but it's an investment, and clarity has no price once you find out what price it is at. Factor in the price of fish oil into the price of clarity, and you've already begun.

Hey, this may make you feel better

I have always had problems with mild acne. It's never been terrible, but from the age of 12 to 19 I ALWAYS had at least 3 zits on my face at any given time. I started taking these because I heard they were good for the skin, hair and nails, and let me tell you, I have NEVER had such great looking skin! I haven't had one zit in almost 2 months, and my skin just looks even and smooth, FINALLY! I don't know if it's because I'm 20 now and I grew out of the acne phase, or if it's the pills, but my skin didn't start clearing up until I started using these. They're amazing!

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp...865&tab=1#1

gnc lol =)

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What is the difference between Cod Liver Oil and Fish Oil?

I was checking on the label on Cod Liver Oil which contains 625 I.U. of Vitamin A, while Fish Oil contains 4500 I.U. of Vitamin A!

You take 6 Cod liver oils daily while the labels on the Fish oil advises only 1 a day.

Which one should I buy? :wacko:

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What is the difference between Cod Liver Oil and Fish Oil?

I was checking on the label on Cod Liver Oil which contains 625 I.U. of Vitamin A, while Fish Oil contains 4500 I.U. of Vitamin A!

You take 6 Cod liver oils daily while the labels on the Fish oil advises only 1 a day.

Which one should I buy? :wacko:

That doesn't sound right. COd liver oil is extremely high in vitamin while fish oil isn't. Plus, the o3 content is lower is cod liver oil. You want regular fish oil pills.

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What is the difference between Cod Liver Oil and Fish Oil?

I was checking on the label on Cod Liver Oil which contains 625 I.U. of Vitamin A, while Fish Oil contains 4500 I.U. of Vitamin A!

You take 6 Cod liver oils daily while the labels on the Fish oil advises only 1 a day.

Which one should I buy? :wacko:

That doesn't sound right. COd liver oil is extremely high in vitamin while fish oil isn't. Plus, the o3 content is lower is cod liver oil. You want regular fish oil pills.

That does sound strange. What is the content for the capsules that you guys use? Is fish oil essentially better than cod liver oil?..does it matter which one to take? :confused:

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What is the difference between Cod Liver Oil and Fish Oil?

I was checking on the label on Cod Liver Oil which contains 625 I.U. of Vitamin A, while Fish Oil contains 4500 I.U. of Vitamin A!

You take 6 Cod liver oils daily while the labels on the Fish oil advises only 1 a day.

Which one should I buy? :wacko:

That doesn't sound right. COd liver oil is extremely high in vitamin while fish oil isn't. Plus, the o3 content is lower is cod liver oil. You want regular fish oil pills.

That does sound strange. What is the content for the capsules that you guys use? Is fish oil essentially better than cod liver oil?..does it matter which one to take? :confused:

Depends on the dosage. If you started taking a lot of cod liver oil, you could start overdosing on vitamin A which is toxic and builds up in your tissues. I would say for the purpose of balancing EFA levels, yes, fish oil is better because it contains more o3 (which is waht we are looking for) and no vitamin which would limit how much oil you would be able to take.

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Checkin in....Monday will be a whole month.

Towards the end of this week my face really kinda broke down and I got zits here and there and a cyst or two. Im still having some questions about this and wondering if its the complete cure and doesn't need something else to go with it. Ive considered adding the green tea like some people have, but it seems like still thats not totally 100% curing people so it doesn't seem worth it. Maybe its because I haven't been hard on my diet...it didn't seem like I went really bad on my diet, yet maybe its more sensitive than I thought. On Wednesday, there weren't any of these granola bars I usually take to eat at school and I knew i'd pay if I didn't bring anything so I grabbed an almost empty bag of those one brand of wheat chips. I had bad experience withe ating some chips a couple weeks ago, so I shouldve known, but I figured that I wasn't going to be eating THAT much and I was up to 10 pills so that would cancel it out or something....looking back now I think my face went downhill a bit after I ate those chips. So im not eating chips ever again. Yesterday I was out all night and had some Panda Express and didn't end up taking my night dose of Fish oil untill like 12, so I kinda knew I was risking it there. Ive got a bit of a cyst now but I think ill be able to keep it under control. Still, even if ive been frustrated the last few days, my face is definitely better than it has been in the past. Ive got some pics of what I looked like at this time last year, and WOW...lets just say that helps, but its only natural for us to keep wanting better.

So basically, im still fighting a battle, but ive definitely got more of an edge now. Im still wondering how the amount of time you take the fish oil affects things...like if it will improve the longer you take it or what. Some people have said here and there taht they think it does, but im not sure that anyone has taken it long enough to know. Im gonna watch my diet more and ill check in again soon.

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Checkin in....Monday will be a whole month.

Towards the end of this week my face really kinda broke down and I got zits here and there and a cyst or two. Im still having some questions about this and wondering if its the complete cure and doesn't need something else to go with it. Ive considered adding the green tea like some people have, but it seems like still thats not totally 100% curing people so it doesn't seem worth it. Maybe its because I haven't been hard on my diet...it didn't seem like I went really bad on my diet, yet maybe its more sensitive than I thought. On Wednesday, there weren't any of these granola bars I usually take to eat at school and I knew i'd pay if I didn't bring anything so I grabbed an almost empty bag of those one brand of wheat chips. I had bad experience withe ating some chips a couple weeks ago, so I shouldve known, but I figured that I wasn't going to be eating THAT much and I was up to 10 pills so that would cancel it out or something....looking back now I think my face went downhill a bit after I ate those chips. So im not eating chips ever again. Yesterday I was out all night and had some Panda Express and didn't end up taking my night dose of Fish oil untill like 12, so I kinda knew I was risking it there. Ive got a bit of a cyst now but I think ill be able to keep it under control. Still, even if ive been frustrated the last few days, my face is definitely better than it has been in the past. Ive got some pics of what I looked like at this time last year, and WOW...lets just say that helps, but its only natural for us to keep wanting better.

So basically, im still fighting a battle, but ive definitely got more of an edge now. Im still wondering how the amount of time you take the fish oil affects things...like if it will improve the longer you take it or what. Some people have said here and there taht they think it does, but im not sure that anyone has taken it long enough to know. Im gonna watch my diet more and ill check in again soon.

There may be a plateau for the short term benefits and that may hit after 3-4 weeks of taking 15 per day this could be different for everyone though.

But i think there will we long term benefits 5 months down the road, and perhaps even longer, as the genetic changes your body will make adjusting to your new diet of balanced fats. Because no longer will it have to adapt to an environment that it is not used to and fat metabolism may return to normal functioning.

Just as years of sugar rushes can lead to diabetes and other problems with sugar metabolism, the same thing can happen with an unhealthy fat ratio, it will alter the metabolism of the fats and change the way your body deals with them. In our case our bodies want to secrete excess cholesterol through our sebum glands.

But this is just my best guess based on my experiance with fish oil and what ive learned.

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