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Omega 3, 6, and 9 Fatty Acids

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soooo if my ratio is already around 4:1 do you think this regimen will help much??

nacho cheese doritos have omega 6: omega 3 ratio of nearly 50:1...... :redface:

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Your levels are already 4:1 o3 to o6?!

Give me your average daily diet if you don't mind. :)

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Your levels are already 4:1 o3 to o6?!

Give me your average daily diet if you don't mind. :)

the 4:1 is o6 to o3

Here is what i had yesterday-

Breakfast:

-Bowl of cereal (total)

-Yogurt

-Fruit salad (stawberries, grapes, blue berries)

-Orange juice

Snack:

Banana

Lunch

-Turkey Sandwich (Whole wheat bread, smoked turkey, lettuce)

-Chips (usually sun chips)

-Apple

-Water

Snack:

Protein shake

Dinner:

-Grilled Chicken Breast

-Veggie medley (brocolli, peas, carrots)

-Green Tea

-bread

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I bought these: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00902.htm

I want to make sure they are safe before I open the package so I can return them if there is a better alternative.

They contain 2000 mg of Wild fish oil concentrate from anchovy, sardine, and mackerel, 700 mg of EPA, 500 mg of DHA, and 100 mg of other Omega-3 fatty acids per serving. A serving size is two capsules.

They also contain olive fruit extract (said to help maintain normal LDL oxidation, suppress free radicals, and stabilize cell membranes) and Sesame lignans (said to inhibit the enzyme delta-5-desaturase that causes dietary fats to be converted into arachidonic acid, a precursor to the toxic inflammatory factors prostaglandin E2 and leukotriene B4).

Any help as to wether or not this brand is good and also how much I should take would be great.

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Looks good. The mean dose that most people seem to be taking is about 3 grams total o3. You would need about 5 of those daily.

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Your levels are already 4:1 o3 to o6?!

Give me your average daily diet if you don't mind. :)

the 4:1 is o6 to o3

Here is what i had yesterday-

Breakfast:

-Bowl of cereal (total)

-Yogurt

-Fruit salad (stawberries, grapes, blue berries)

-Orange juice

Snack:

Banana

Lunch

-Turkey Sandwich (Whole wheat bread, smoked turkey, lettuce)

-Chips (usually sun chips)

-Apple

-Water

Snack:

Protein shake

Dinner:

-Grilled Chicken Breast

-Veggie medley (brocolli, peas, carrots)

-Green Tea

-bread

Ok - gotcha ;) I misunderstood, thought you meant it the other way around. Yes, I think the addition of fish oil would help. Try to balance it 1:1, or as some people are doing, 2:1 (o3:o6) as a corrective dose. You can read through the thread for some advice on what brands/epa/dha levels we are all using. Mine is in my signature below. If you have questions feel free to ask!

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I have one question. I cant possibly take the amount of Omega3 you people are recommending because its gonna cost me a lot and I cant afford. So I wonder, will even a little bit of omega3 give positive results? Or do we need a lot just to start seeing improvements?

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I have one question. I cant possibly take the amount of Omega3 you people are recommending because its gonna cost me a lot and I cant afford. So I wonder, will even a little bit of omega3 give positive results? Or do we need a lot just to start seeing improvements?

As long as you can get anywhere under 4:1 of omega 3 to 6, you "should" reap all the beneficiary results. So try taking 6 pills, and eat very healthy, minus nuts and egg yolks. You "should" fall into that range.

Post your diet. And how do you say it's pricey? It works about to about $10 a month, max, even if you buy pricey pills?

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Your levels are already 4:1 o3 to o6?!

Give me your average daily diet if you don't mind. :)

the 4:1 is o6 to o3

Here is what i had yesterday-

Breakfast:

-Bowl of cereal (total)

-Yogurt

-Fruit salad (stawberries, grapes, blue berries)

-Orange juice

Snack:

Banana

Lunch

-Turkey Sandwich (Whole wheat bread, smoked turkey, lettuce)

-Chips (usually sun chips)

-Apple

-Water

Snack:

Protein shake

Dinner:

-Grilled Chicken Breast

-Veggie medley (brocolli, peas, carrots)

-Green Tea

-bread

uhm.........so where are the omega 3 sources up there ?

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You know what a good side to acne is? It really forces us to take care of our bodies more so than people of our age group do. I mean, we are religiously in line with our diets and I commend everyone for that, great job guys :dance:

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I have one question. I cant possibly take the amount of Omega3 you people are recommending because its gonna cost me a lot and I cant afford. So I wonder, will even a little bit of omega3 give positive results? Or do we need a lot just to start seeing improvements?

As long as you can get anywhere under 4:1 of omega 3 to 6, you "should" reap all the beneficiary results. So try taking 6 pills, and eat very healthy, minus nuts and egg yolks. You "should" fall into that range.

Post your diet. And how do you say it's pricey? It works about to about $10 a month, max, even if you buy pricey pills?

MY mom buys it from Amway, the Nutrilite. 120 softgels for RM100 (around US$25).

One softgel contains:

d-Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E) - 30 i.u

Salmon Oil - 1030.5mg

~ 1030.5mg of Salmon Oil contains:

- EPA - 180mg

- DHA - 120mg

EPA is Omega3 right? So the ratio here is actually 1.5:1?

My diet:

Breakfast: Usually just bread since I'm in a rush. Or my mom cooks noodles with soup for me. If its the latter its very healthy with no flavouring, only veggie, noodles, and maybe a piece of chicken or pork.

Lunch: Varies, because I'm a university student and outside food is always bad and oily, so I usually go for soup noodles (again :D) because it's non-oily. It usually doesn't have any meat, only veggie and mushrooms.

Dinner: Rice, with veggie, and fish or chicken.

As you can see my diet is very simple... not much meat and usually no eggs and nuts at all. On weekends when I have no class my lunch and dinner are the around same as the dinner mentioned above. Of course everyday I eat fruits: apples, oranges, grapes, papaya, kiwi, etc. I dont eat all of those fruits everyday of course, maybe monday for apples, tuesday for oranges etc.

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I bought these: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00902.htm

I want to make sure they are safe before I open the package so I can return them if there is a better alternative.

They contain 2000 mg of Wild fish oil concentrate from anchovy, sardine, and mackerel, 700 mg of EPA, 500 mg of DHA, and 100 mg of other Omega-3 fatty acids per serving. A serving size is two capsules.

They also contain olive fruit extract (said to help maintain normal LDL oxidation, suppress free radicals, and stabilize cell membranes) and Sesame lignans (said to inhibit the enzyme delta-5-desaturase that causes dietary fats to be converted into arachidonic acid, a precursor to the toxic inflammatory factors prostaglandin E2 and leukotriene B4).

Any help as to wether or not this brand is good and also how much I should take would be great.

thats actually some pretty high quality stuff.

you should be good to go with that, my only concern is that it doesnt have vitamin e in it, as that protects the fats from degrading.

But since you are buying it straight from the manufacturer, you are sure to get fresh product as oppposed to buying from a supermarket where it couldve been sitting ion the shelf for some time.

The addition of the sesame lignins is great.

My only other concern is that it is expensive so you may not be able to mega dose, but if you really decrease your o6 intake that could be equally as effective as taking larger o3 doses.

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I bought these: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00902.htm

I want to make sure they are safe before I open the package so I can return them if there is a better alternative.

They contain 2000 mg of Wild fish oil concentrate from anchovy, sardine, and mackerel, 700 mg of EPA, 500 mg of DHA, and 100 mg of other Omega-3 fatty acids per serving. A serving size is two capsules.

They also contain olive fruit extract (said to help maintain normal LDL oxidation, suppress free radicals, and stabilize cell membranes) and Sesame lignans (said to inhibit the enzyme delta-5-desaturase that causes dietary fats to be converted into arachidonic acid, a precursor to the toxic inflammatory factors prostaglandin E2 and leukotriene B4).

Any help as to wether or not this brand is good and also how much I should take would be great.

thats actually some pretty high quality stuff.

you should be good to go with that, my only concern is that it doesnt have vitamin e in it, as that protects the fats from degrading.

But since you are buying it straight from the manufacturer, you are sure to get fresh product as oppposed to buying from a supermarket where it couldve been sitting ion the shelf for some time.

The addition of the sesame lignins is great.

My only other concern is that it is expensive so you may not be able to mega dose, but if you really decrease your o6 intake that could be equally as effective as taking larger o3 doses.

Agreed!

Also, to the who,

Try these

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/olabs/omega.html

They are the best selling fish oil supp on the site with d-alpha tocopherol (vit e)

:D

Since the ones you have bought are really pricey, oof

I get mine at sams... 400 count for about the same amount you pay. eek

Otherwise I would just go for this link or the 'NOW' brand as well

Another option is the liquid form, I know alot of the guys on here use that as well, so take your pick!

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I am currently taking: Multi-Vitamins (Non-Iodine) Flax Seed Oil, Borage Oil, and Evening Primrose Oil.

I take 2 non-iodine multivitamins a day

I take 2 flax seed oil capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 evening primrose capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 borage oil capsules a day (1000 mg per capsule) = 2000 mg per day

I split them up, with meals throught the day.

With breakfast I take 2 multivitamins with water.

With lunch I take 2 flax, 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

With dinner I take 2 borage, and 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

Along with this my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

I work out 5 times a week for at least 30 minutes (usually an hour)

And I drink lots of water, at least 40 oz of water a day, all the way up to 120 oz a day at the most

What am I doing wrong?

Should I stop taking any of the supplements?

Do you think this combo of oils is bad?

Really, honestly, truthfully, how long does it take for you to correct your Omega 3-6 ratio? 3 weeks to a Month? 2 months? 4 months?

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I am currently taking: Multi-Vitamins (Non-Iodine) Flax Seed Oil, Borage Oil, and Evening Primrose Oil.

I take 2 non-iodine multivitamins a day

I take 2 flax seed oil capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 evening primrose capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 borage oil capsules a day (1000 mg per capsule) = 2000 mg per day

I split them up, with meals throught the day.

With breakfast I take 2 multivitamins with water.

With lunch I take 2 flax, 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

With dinner I take 2 borage, and 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

Along with this my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

I work out 5 times a week for at least 30 minutes (usually an hour)

And I drink lots of water, at least 40 oz of water a day, all the way up to 120 oz a day at the most

What am I doing wrong?

Should I stop taking any of the supplements?

Do you think this combo of oils is bad?

Really, honestly, truthfully, how long does it take for you to correct your Omega 3-6 ratio? 3 weeks to a Month? 2 months? 4 months?

Personally i cant answer those questions and i dont think anyone else can either, ive only been doing this for a month and ive seen good results, meaning ive been more clear and have had better looking skin since taking it. This actually pulled me out of my depression for a the last three weeks.

But ive broke out a bit just two days ago but my face still looks pretty good. But i would try it for three months then can it if it doesnt work.

this stuff is all theory anyway but

if you want my advice try to simplify your diet, the stress of keeping up a diet like that is gonna break you out alone.

also just take 1 flax, 1 borage and at least 15 fish oil pills and reduce your o6 intake.

stop drinking milk all together.

Dont use any cooking oils at all.

but thats just my advice. Give it two-three months to see any results then can it if it does nothing.

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I am currently taking: Multi-Vitamins (Non-Iodine) Flax Seed Oil, Borage Oil, and Evening Primrose Oil.

I take 2 non-iodine multivitamins a day

I take 2 flax seed oil capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 evening primrose capsules a day (500 mg per capsule) = 1000 mg per day

I take 2 borage oil capsules a day (1000 mg per capsule) = 2000 mg per day

I split them up, with meals throught the day.

With breakfast I take 2 multivitamins with water.

With lunch I take 2 flax, 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

With dinner I take 2 borage, and 1 evening primrose with 1/2 cup (4oz) of NON-Hormone Milk

Along with this my diet contains Fish: Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon, Wild Pacific Cod, Mahi-Mahi. 2-4 times a week

The only cooking oli I have been using is Olive oil. I donot use butter. I eat organic walnuts every now and then.

Other foods im eating: fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, crackers and cereals. Yougurt. Organic Wild Blueberries.

I work out 5 times a week for at least 30 minutes (usually an hour)

And I drink lots of water, at least 40 oz of water a day, all the way up to 120 oz a day at the most

What am I doing wrong?

Should I stop taking any of the supplements?

Do you think this combo of oils is bad?

Really, honestly, truthfully, how long does it take for you to correct your Omega 3-6 ratio? 3 weeks to a Month? 2 months? 4 months?

You know, your diet is really healthy, how much acne do you have right now, and how often do you get it, is it better than before?

I know most people have had great success with using all of the EFA's like you are doing, such as bob mckee

But if you are looking to obtain a omega 3 to omega 6 ratio, you are going far from it, perhaps even more so than when you started.

I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla). If for a month you don't have comparable success on what you are doing now to last month, I would simply just focus on fish oil and start balancing your omega 3 to 6.

Your diet is fine, just cut out the nuts, and any egg yolks, they have way way way too much omega 6. Remember, we are trying to focus on our balance :). If you would like to continue with all the efa's it is up to you.

I personally do this: I take 6 fish oil's a day. 2 with each big meal that has a source of fat (2% milk). And then do this three times a day. Then I also have green tea extract 3 times a day with a source of non-dairy.

I only need 6 because the rest of my diet is really low on omega 6. Because as long as I can get in the 1:4 range, I am sitting pretty so to speak. Because it's much closer to 1:1 than the 1:20 or 1:50 most people are (and I probably was). Because think about it like this. Each pill generally has 300 mg of omega 3 (which is the epa and dha in the back of the bottle, not the total 1000 mg listed). if I get 1800 of omega 3 a day from supplements, even if I had 6000 of omega 6 in a day (which I'd have a hard time getting to!) I should theoretically be okay, since it's "close" to 1:1, since I know it's hard for some people to get to 1:1.

The other reason I advice so simply focus on fish oil instead of the others, is because there are 50 diseases linked to the lack of omega 3's or the imbalance. You'd be surprised to notice the quality of your own body and mind drastically shoot up upon taking this. It's already helping me in college, I can recall what I studied... during the exam, as if I see a general idea of the answers in my mind more so than before. Great tool.

The other part also comes from your skin care! It does what it says it does, but then you have to ensure your skin care is top notch so you aren't suseptible to break outs. I learned that just yesterday, because I found what I was doing wrong.

Just to let you know, I started seeing results within 2 weeks. The frequency and quantity of acne just diminished. I now couldn't even get a white head if I tried to. Because I realized the oil content is much more... how it should be, it does it's job.

So remember, diet = 60%, skin care regimen = 40% (exfoliate, cleanse, protect, moisturize).

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I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla).

Good advice overall, but I do have to correct this statement. Yes, flax does contain omega 6, but it contains a lot more omega-3 (about 3-4 times more). However, the omega's 3 it has is ALA which the body converts (not very efficiently) to EPA and DHA. So true if you're looking for EPA and DHA directly you're better off taking fish oil. However, as Ariventa has eluded to after you get some EPA and DHA from a few fish oil pills it might be better to balance the rest out with flax to get your ratio's right allowing the body to determine how much EPA and DHA you need/convert, but this is debatable, we can only speculate.

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I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla).

Good advice overall, but I do have to correct this statement. Yes, flax does contain omega 6, but it contains a lot more omega-3 (about 3-4 times more). However, the omega's 3 it has is ALA which the body converts (not very efficiently) to EPA and DHA. So true if you're looking for EPA and DHA directly you're better off taking fish oil. However, as Ariventa has eluded to after you get some EPA and DHA from a few fish oil pills it might be better to balance the rest out with flax to get your ratio's right allowing the body to determine how much EPA and DHA you need/convert, but this is debatable, we can only speculate.

Great advice! And good idea, thank you for the correction. That's actually a very good idea.

In fact, if fish oil alone isn't enough for me, I may add in some flax as well. I am happy about this thread, it's like we're all experimenting first hand and seeing where we get from all the information we obtain.

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I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla).

Good advice overall, but I do have to correct this statement. Yes, flax does contain omega 6, but it contains a lot more omega-3 (about 3-4 times more). However, the omega's 3 it has is ALA which the body converts (not very efficiently) to EPA and DHA. So true if you're looking for EPA and DHA directly you're better off taking fish oil. However, as Ariventa has eluded to after you get some EPA and DHA from a few fish oil pills it might be better to balance the rest out with flax to get your ratio's right allowing the body to determine how much EPA and DHA you need/convert, but this is debatable, we can only speculate.

Great advice! And good idea, thank you for the correction. That's actually a very good idea.

In fact, if fish oil alone isn't enough for me, I may add in some flax as well. I am happy about this thread, it's like we're all experimenting first hand and seeing where we get from all the information we obtain.

:dance:

Yeah, the problem for me is I swear I'm getting headaches, slightly nauseous from flax whether its ground seeds or oil. It might be because I'm also taking fish oil and its too much omega-3 at once, but in terms of ratio, I still have more omega 6.

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I would focus on just fish oil, and drop the others, because you do know borage, epa, and most of flax is omega 6 (even if it's a gla).

Good advice overall, but I do have to correct this statement. Yes, flax does contain omega 6, but it contains a lot more omega-3 (about 3-4 times more). However, the omega's 3 it has is ALA which the body converts (not very efficiently) to EPA and DHA. So true if you're looking for EPA and DHA directly you're better off taking fish oil. However, as Ariventa has eluded to after you get some EPA and DHA from a few fish oil pills it might be better to balance the rest out with flax to get your ratio's right allowing the body to determine how much EPA and DHA you need/convert, but this is debatable, we can only speculate.

Great advice! And good idea, thank you for the correction. That's actually a very good idea.

In fact, if fish oil alone isn't enough for me, I may add in some flax as well. I am happy about this thread, it's like we're all experimenting first hand and seeing where we get from all the information we obtain.

:dance:

Yeah, the problem for me is I swear I'm getting headaches, slightly nauseous from flax whether its ground seeds or oil. It might be because I'm also taking fish oil and its too much omega-3 at once, but in terms of ratio, I still have more omega 6.

YES that is what happened with me! Regardless of ratio, I think too much omega 3 does that. Be careful, get your blood pressure checked if you can. As soon as I reduced the intake to 6 again, it felt normal.

The good thing for me is that I don't eat too much a day so I only need minimal supplements to get to 1:1, since I only need 6.

I have this slight feeling that even if we are in a 1:2 ot 1:3 range it should still be beneficial, you know? I think I would rather be in that range, rather than a 1:1 feeling that way. So just keep caution, it may be too much for you.

Just be careful bro

Here's something interesting:

"Normally a good ratio for omega 6:3 in fish is 2 or 3 to 1"

http://www.google.com/search?q=a+good+rang...lient=firefox-a

First mercola link you see...

So yeah, maybe reduce your omega 3, and try to get to that range, and it will still be good. I think, just speculation like always though

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any positive updates? :surprised:

Nothing new here. I still break out every now and then but the breakouts are a lot better than before. I might get a pimple every 2 weeks instead of one every day or whatver. And this time they are very small. So im definitely happy with this.

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