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Liver and Acne

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I've heard some people make this connection before, but only on the Internet. I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous. Get figure.

I'm curious about this theory though. If Liver could be the connection to Acne, than how would Accutane work? Accutane can easily ovewhelm the liver with toxins, but yet people get clear with the medicine.

By theory, if your liver absorbs toxins, and a weaker liver attributed to acne, than wouldn't you break out way more while on Accutane?

I've decided to keep my natural approach to clearing mild acne, but this liver connection has always gave me curiousity.

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here's what ive read about it in summary:

one gets acne due to imbalanced hormones AND congesting toxins in the blood & lymph fluid.

imbalance hormones is caused by nutritional deficiencies and liver & bowel congestion.

system congestion creates blood toxins since your channels of elimination get blocked.

used hormones are filtered from the blood and lymph fluid by the liver.

the liver is supposed to deactivate them to prevent them from attaching themselves to any hormone receptors.

deactivated hormones are expelled into your bowels in bile fluid through the liver or gallbladder duct.

used hormones that build up in your system & dont get properly deactivated & expelled cause hormonal imbalance.

liver and gallbladder stones slow hormones from entering your bowels & being expelled.

slow bowels cause more bad bacteria which reactivate deactivated hormones, and causes these hormones to be absorbed back into the blood.

skin is one of the channels of elimination. if your primary channels of elimination (bowels, liver and/or kidneys) get overloaded, the body will eliminate waste products through the secondary channels of elimination (skin or lungs).

while accutane seems to lower skin's ability to produce sebum, it can also cause damage to your liver and body.

once the drug wares off, acne may come back even worse than ever due to the liver damage.

info from Leo Kiesen's book.

im taking lots of supplements to help take some possible burden off my liver.

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yes. Essential Fatty Acids, vitamins & minerals play a major role. plus proper diet & cleansing. i havent tried any liver flushes or anything that alkalizes blood either.

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add cod liver oil / evening prim rose oil &/or borage oil for the hormones (plus lecithin granules & antioxidants to assist EFAs)

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I've heard some people make this connection before, but only on the Internet. I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous. Get figure.

There's your answer right there. Unfortunately some people seem to think that the whole "medical establishment" (roughly equivalent to "the Jews" or "capital") is involved in some kind of conspiracy. This is why they prefer to trust the an afternoon's work by 3 monkeys huddled round a typewriter over science, logic and experience.

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If your liver has problem, you will get acnes on the left side of the cheek (or right side, I can't really remember).

I have acnes mainly on cheeks, I know that my LUNG and LIVER have problems.

I read this from some chinese website lol.

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I actually agree with you, I think some of the information people post here can be somewhat damaging. Telling people to take ridiculous doses of Vitamins, etc, can be seriously damaging to your health.

If you take over 10 different kinds of supplements per day in order to combat acne, than I think you may have a problem, there simply shouldn't be a need to do all that.

I've heard some people make this connection before, but only on the Internet. I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous. Get figure.

There's your answer right there. Unfortunately some people seem to think that the whole "medical establishment" (roughly equivalent to "the Jews" or "capital") is involved in some kind of conspiracy. This is why they prefer to trust the an afternoon's work by 3 monkeys huddled round a typewriter over science, logic and experience.

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Be careful...milk thistle is a great supplement, but it can cause acne to increase because your body is releasing more toxins than it can handle. It broke me out terribly; I could never take it, though I tried it about 4 times.

Once you flush your liver and clear out the bile duct blockages, you really don't have to worry about a liver strengthening herb like milk thistle, artichoke extract, Swedish Bitters, etc......

Great link: http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous.
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Has Milk Thistle had positive effects for some people though?

Be careful...milk thistle is a great supplement, but it can cause acne to increase because your body is releasing more toxins than it can handle. It broke me out terribly; I could never take it, though I tried it about 4 times.

Once you flush your liver and clear out the bile duct blockages, you really don't have to worry about a liver strengthening herb like milk thistle, artichoke extract, Swedish Bitters, etc......

Great link: http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous.

This is precisely and exactly why allopathic practitioners drive me insane. They don't even remotely understand the most basic biological issues. It is simply insane that these people are allowed to experiment on us. :doh::rolleyes::doh:

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You can only try it and see for yourself. :) The only way you know is if you try it.......

Has Milk Thistle had positive effects for some people though?

Be careful...milk thistle is a great supplement, but it can cause acne to increase because your body is releasing more toxins than it can handle. It broke me out terribly; I could never take it, though I tried it about 4 times.

Once you flush your liver and clear out the bile duct blockages, you really don't have to worry about a liver strengthening herb like milk thistle, artichoke extract, Swedish Bitters, etc......

Great link: http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

I asked my Derm about it, and he said that was ridiculous.

This is precisely and exactly why allopathic practitioners drive me insane. They don't even remotely understand the most basic biological issues. It is simply insane that these people are allowed to experiment on us. :doh::rolleyes::doh:

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There's your answer right there. Unfortunately some people seem to think that the whole "medical establishment" (roughly equivalent to "the Jews" or "capital") is involved in some kind of conspiracy. This is why they prefer to trust the an afternoon's work by 3 monkeys huddled round a typewriter over science, logic and experience.

I agree that there is no reason to think that the medical community is involved in some kind of conspiracy to prevent people learning about how to treat and prevent acne. However, until the medical establishment comes up with a cure or at least treatments that are more reliable and less risky than we have now, people will look for their own solutions. Doctors have knowledge and experience. Unfortunately that does not always make them right.
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Briefly getting away from health and into politics, here is something that has become more and more apparent to me through the years:

Big companies effectively control government, through lobbyists and other means. The biggest corporations in America deal with oil, pharmaceuticals, food, and some other things that aren't relevent to this argument.

Your doctor is not a corrupt person, but he deals in a corrupt institution. Where's the recommendations to consume liquid chlorophyllin to combat against meat-induced colon cancer from my physician? I'll gladly send you published research illustrating exactly the chlorophyllin thing. Why doesn't anybody recommend eating spirulina even when it's able to stop the HIV virus from replicating? Aren't these companies concerned with my health? Where's the cures? Why does everything have side effects? Why is every prescription pill in America a patentable product while doctors in Germany and other parts of Europe prescribe herbs? Why does the FDA refuse to regulate herbs and vitamins so we could know the efficacy and be rest assured some supplement company isn't ripping us off? Why has my doctor put me on Ritalin yet never mentioned a word about EFA's in relation to ADD? Why do I see prescription commercials on TV? Are all the doctors around the world like this? Why has there never been a physician to really mention candida to a women with yeast problems?

Now, in the case of gallstones, what would you rather do: have your whole gallbladder remnoved as the medical profession does, or try some hoaky remedy on the internet that's painless, somewhat strange sounding, but has a relatively good track record? Well, I don't much like surgery, and I bet I'd miss my gallbladder... maybe the hoaky quack remedy has something to it if people are actually solving their problems with it!

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Briefly getting away from health and into politics, here is something that has become more and more apparent to me through the years:

Big companies effectively control government, through lobbyists and other means. The biggest corporations in America deal with oil, pharmaceuticals, food, and some other things that aren't relevent to this argument.

Your doctor is not a corrupt person, but he deals in a corrupt institution. Where's the recommendations to consume liquid chlorophyllin to combat against meat-induced colon cancer from my physician? I'll gladly send you published research illustrating exactly the chlorophyllin thing. Why doesn't anybody recommend eating spirulina even when it's able to stop the HIV virus from replicating? Aren't these companies concerned with my health? Where's the cures? Why does everything have side effects? Why is every prescription pill in America a patentable product while doctors in Germany and other parts of Europe prescribe herbs? Why does the FDA refuse to regulate herbs and vitamins so we could know the efficacy and be rest assured some supplement company isn't ripping us off? Why has my doctor put me on Ritalin yet never mentioned a word about EFA's in relation to ADD? Why do I see prescription commercials on TV? Are all the doctors around the world like this? Why has there never been a physician to really mention candida to a women with yeast problems?

Now, in the case of gallstones, what would you rather do: have your whole gallbladder remnoved as the medical profession does, or try some hoaky remedy on the internet that's painless, somewhat strange sounding, but has a relatively good track record? Well, I don't much like surgery, and I bet I'd miss my gallbladder... maybe the hoaky quack remedy has something to it if people are actually solving their problems with it!

Well said! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Starting my Milk Thistle today :)

I'll give an update on how it goes.

I grabbed some Primrose oil too, but I think I'll pass on using it. I'm kinda pissed off I popped the label, because I could've brought it back :@

Oh well. Omega oils never seem to work well for me, I already have oily skin, and I have a pretty good diet, taking Omegas always seemed to break me out on my back and chest.

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this is my conclusion due from previous years of suffeirng from acne. i have overcomed this problem with the follow simple solutions:

-diet, eat a balanced diet and make sure you dont dehydrate your body

-cleanse your face from sweat and oil so your pores dont get blocked

-control your hormones, i mean if you are constantly looking at pornographic then you will sweat a lot due to increase oil production from sebum, nature's contradiction.

-don't touch your face cause your hands are dirty filled with germs (esp. when you are oily, bacteria thrives on oil and dirt)

-don't over wash your face so much (not neccessary true for everyone)

-take care of your body and it will take care of you

i can't think of anything else, so i hope that helps!

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Briefly getting away from health and into politics, here is something that has become more and more apparent to me through the years:

Big companies effectively control government, through lobbyists and other means. The biggest corporations in America deal with oil, pharmaceuticals, food, and some other things that aren't relevent to this argument.

Your doctor is not a corrupt person, but he deals in a corrupt institution. Where's the recommendations to consume liquid chlorophyllin to combat against meat-induced colon cancer from my physician? I'll gladly send you published research illustrating exactly the chlorophyllin thing. Why doesn't anybody recommend eating spirulina even when it's able to stop the HIV virus from replicating? Aren't these companies concerned with my health? Where's the cures? Why does everything have side effects? Why is every prescription pill in America a patentable product while doctors in Germany and other parts of Europe prescribe herbs? Why does the FDA refuse to regulate herbs and vitamins so we could know the efficacy and be rest assured some supplement company isn't ripping us off? Why has my doctor put me on Ritalin yet never mentioned a word about EFA's in relation to ADD? Why do I see prescription commercials on TV? Are all the doctors around the world like this? Why has there never been a physician to really mention candida to a women with yeast problems?

Now, in the case of gallstones, what would you rather do: have your whole gallbladder remnoved as the medical profession does, or try some hoaky remedy on the internet that's painless, somewhat strange sounding, but has a relatively good track record? Well, I don't much like surgery, and I bet I'd miss my gallbladder... maybe the hoaky quack remedy has something to it if people are actually solving their problems with it!

I agree well said, people should also remember that many doctors practicing today were trained, in the 80's, 70's, even 60's! it is a lot to expect for people trained so long ago to be in tune with holistic health, given the way things were taught "back then". The good news is times seem to be changing:

"...health and healing rather than disease and treatment. It views patients as whole people with minds and spirits as well as bodies and includes these dimensions in diagnosis and treatment... Conventional medicine has become dependent on expensive technological solutions to health problems, even when they are not particularly effective... it has turned its back on holism and simple methods of intervention".

-Professor Lesley Rees, Director of Education at the Royal College of Physicians

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I'm gonna grab some milk thistle tomorrow and see how it works for me.

Anyone got any info on how to regluate hormones? Just in case.

I've read that Milk Thistle is a great liver cleanser, and has regenerative effects on the it. Dandelion root or just plain Dandelion greens, yellow dock, has a beneficial effect on the liver aswell.

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You know what I heard... If you eat food, you dont die?! Why hasnt my doctor told me about this magical secret to immortality! Greedy corporations, that's why!

Honestly how high do you have to be to pretend that doctors are hiding the fact that fiber helps prevent colon cancer? Shit they do a new test on that every damn week just to remind you.

Let's see.

Scientifically proven: 0 times

Some idiot posts pictures of some pebbles that anyone who took 6th grade bio knows could never form in the biliary ducts: a few dozen times

Scientifically disproven and then ridiculed by everyone who has actually seen the inside of a human being: Oh I dunno, fourteen, maybe fifteen times before we got bored trying to get you all to remove your heads from your asses and get off of your childish Inferiority-complex driven bull-wagon declaring that you know better then the entire scientific community... many of whom have an IQ that is evenly divided by your own. All I know is my grapefruit, magnesium sulfate and olive oil futures have gone through the roof!

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I'm sure all of your hobo buddies are impressed with your hyperbolic shrieking and sarcasm, but your rants aren't going to stop folks from liverflushing. Sorry. ;):D

You know what I heard... If you eat food, you dont die?! Why hasnt my doctor told me about this magical secret to immortality! Greedy corporations, that's why!

Honestly how high do you have to be to pretend that doctors are hiding the fact that fiber helps prevent colon cancer? Shit they do a new test on that every damn week just to remind you.

Let's see.

Scientifically proven: 0 times

Some idiot posts pictures of some pebbles that anyone who took 6th grade bio knows could never form in the biliary ducts: a few dozen times

Scientifically disproven and then ridiculed by everyone who has actually seen the inside of a human being: Oh I dunno, fourteen, maybe fifteen times before we got bored trying to get you all to remove your heads from your asses and get off of your childish Inferiority-complex driven bull-wagon declaring that you know better then the entire scientific community... many of whom have an IQ that is evenly divided by your own. All I know is my grapefruit, magnesium sulfate and olive oil futures have gone through the roof!

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Oh no, what's this???

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Melek, whatever knowledge you may have in health is completely lost by the fact that you don't know how to communicate. Ever heard of civil discussion? Ever hear of debating the issues as opposed to the people? You'd make a funny politician, every time someone would argue with something you didn't agree with them on, you'd just try to shred away the person's ego as opposed to actually debate the issue... It's a pity that happens so much in politics these days.

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As I said earlier in another topic, acne is a phenotypic feature of your genome. You can't cure yourself; you can only take away what's aggravating your GENETIC condition. For hormones, the best an adolescent male or female could do would be antiandrogens or something similar. Problem is, unless you are a transsexual, males probably don't want to take antiandrogens and risk their masculinity. Most people with adolescent acne do not have a dietary problem (although some do) and will not cure themselves by changing their diet, eating certain things, taking supplements, etc. Liver flushing is not the answer either.

Toxicity can be minimized by eating the right foods and keeping with a good lifestyle to make sure that toxins are eliminated properly. No doctor from any school of medicine conventional or alternative would deny this. People tend to feel better when they have a nutrient-rich diet of mostly fresh food. They have fewer of these toxins in their systems and better defenses against the ones that sneak in. Flushes have given me some rather surprising results, but there are still those skeptical.

As for the comments made by Melek, don't speak about "scientific proof" and other such things when you offer none yourself on the contrary. Your attitude looks askance at science and denies it. Stop parading your worldview.

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i'm afraid of that stuff. I don't trust herbs and shit. Who knows what

they are or how much your taking. woa, jamesw, how do you know

all that?

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