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**firstly i didnt really know where to post this so posted it here because its mainly about vitamins and lifestyle change - sorry if im wrong**

Ok secondly, Im quite thin and am always cold. Even now as im writing this i feel cold :wacko: anyone else get this?? Could it be an underlying sign to something else???

Also excess body hair :redface: how embarassing but does anybody with acne suffer with this?? I done research and found its mainly due to excess androgens in the body :unsure: or am i the only one who has this problem. I dnt mean like loadsa hair people, but because im dark haired its seen more, its also REALLY fine hair but long..ALL replies welcome -

im askin these questions to see if we share similar problems with our acne :think:

On top of that i havent got the most "regular" cycle in the world :shifty: lol so could all these be related??

Ive been looking up stuff and basically found PCOS as the main cause, but Im thin and dont have weight problems, gaining weight is the problem! lol So i sorta ruled it out.

If someone could give a brief rundown on any other problems they have as well as acne just so we can create a bigger picture and see if we all relate in more ways than just having acne.

Trying to figure out the damn reason behind all this is soo annoying, not to mention the migraines that add to it :cry:

I could have it much worse so am grateful but please everyone even if its a BRIEF BRIEF rundown on

symptoms

what you think the cause of your acne is

what your tryin to do to change it ie vitamins, diet

its affect it has on your acne

other details

Thanks everyone...

So, to control those androgens and help your body reduce the production of acne or pimples start using more essential fatty acids. if only life was THAT simple :wall:

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**firstly i didnt really know where to post this so posted it here because its mainly about vitamins and lifestyle change - sorry if im wrong**

Ok secondly, Im quite thin and am always cold. Even now as im writing this i feel cold :wacko: anyone else get this?? Could it be an underlying sign to something else???

Also excess body hair :redface: how embarassing but does anybody with acne suffer with this?? I done research and found its mainly due to excess androgens in the body :unsure: or am i the only one who has this problem. I dnt mean like loadsa hair people, but because im dark haired its seen more, its also REALLY fine hair but long..ALL replies welcome -

im askin these questions to see if we share similar problems with our acne :think:

On top of that i havent got the most "regular" cycle in the world :shifty: lol so could all these be related??

Ive been looking up stuff and basically found PCOS as the main cause, but Im thin and dont have weight problems, gaining weight is the problem! lol So i sorta ruled it out.

If someone could give a brief rundown on any other problems they have as well as acne just so we can create a bigger picture and see if we all relate in more ways than just having acne.

Trying to figure out the damn reason behind all this is soo annoying, not to mention the migraines that add to it :cry:

I could have it much worse so am grateful but please everyone even if its a BRIEF BRIEF rundown on

symptoms

what you think the cause of your acne is

what your tryin to do to change it ie vitamins, diet

its affect it has on your acne

other details

Thanks everyone...

So, to control those androgens and help your body reduce the production of acne or pimples start using more essential fatty acids. if only life was THAT simple :wall:

I too have dark hair (I'm half "black" Irish) and so I constantly have to shave and remove random, dark hairs from around my body. I've been taking BC for about 5 years so my menstruation cycles are normal.

As for symptoms, are you asking about acne symptoms? If so, the only symptom I have is facial acne itself. I don't think I have excess body oil or anything.

I think the major cause of my acne is internal. I keep my face very clean so it's obviously not that. I've changed my diet and since I've had great results, however as of late, I've noticed a ton of clogged pores down between my cheeks and my mouth in kind of that jaw area. The look like 3D blackheads. I went on a picking rampage last night (which mind you I have not done in at least a month) and cleaned out a TON of my pores. I used apple cider vinegar, benzoyl peroxide, vitamin c serum, and neutrogena healthy skin lotion after that. So hopefully I got rid of the last of my persistent acne.

As for what I've been trying to do or change, I've taken wheat/gluten/dairy/meat out of my diet and it's worked really well. Take all of the supplements listed in my signature.

I've had pretty good results so far. I've only been on the altered diet for about two weeks or so, so I'm definitely willing to give it more time to see even better results. However, I've decided that if my skin does not completely clear (minus the occassional pimple or two) by October, I'm going on Accutane. I live in Seattle so I won't have to be concerned with sun sensitivity during the fall/winter months!

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Diet has a major thing to do with acne, but sometimes im unsure because after eating rubbish my skin is sometime ok. I have the same problem its not really spots i have its the clogged pores that if i touch them and theyre not ready to be touched it turns into a spot :wall:

I was wondering whether its more so a hormonal issue i have which is why im going to overdose (well safely :) ) on fish oils ( i never eat fish or stuff like that so makes sense) and evening primrose oil. But im still going to stick to my diet as best i can.

Im happy you having good results and thanks SO MUCH for replyin ;)

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Most of the symptoms you described can be caused by being too thin... if you're too thin you grow more body hair to try to keep yourself warm (though you will still feel cold) and your menstrual periods are more irregular (or stop completely). Maybe you have a metabolic problem... too little body fat could be the culprit. This happens to anorexic women... (not that you're anorexic, just that being to thin is hard on your body)

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Most of the symptoms you described can be caused by being too thin... if you're too thin you grow more body hair to try to keep yourself warm (though you will still feel cold) and your menstrual periods are more irregular (or stop completely). Maybe you have a metabolic problem... too little body fat could be the culprit. This happens to anorexic women... (not that you're anorexic, just that being to thin is hard on your body)

yep i see exactly where your coming from. I always wonder whether i am too thin but am just within BMI standards. I heard too that you can get downy hair from being anorexic. The too little body fat - i think your right, could taking supplements help this, as well as well not increasing what i eat because i REALLY eat a lot :lol: but having good fats and hormone balancing things such as primrose oil help do you think??

Thnks for your input ;)

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yep i see exactly where your coming from. I always wonder whether i am too thin but am just within BMI standards. I heard too that you can get downy hair from being anorexic. The too little body fat - i think your right, could taking supplements help this, as well as well not increasing what i eat because i REALLY eat a lot :lol: but having good fats and hormone balancing things such as primrose oil help do you think??

Thnks for your input ;)

Yeah, well the BMI thresholds are really just averages... it could be that you just have too little body fat for your body... I don't know if there's a way to change it except diet... Being too thin can affect your homones too.

Have you ever been tested for hyperthyroidism?

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Well, I get cold easily, I'm thin (though I'm not underweight), and I have dark hair on my arms, & my legs when if I don't shave constantly...and I mean constantly. The hair on my legs grows extremely fast.

However, I have periods like clockwork and I never have any problems with my cycle. I don't even get cramps anymore. I feel slightly uncomfortable the first day and that's it. It's been that way for several years.

My friend has PCOS....I thought I might have it once, but my doctor told me I didn't fit the profile. I never actually got tested because I have no health insurance and can't afford trips to doctors and specialists right now....also because I feel fine. I've never taken BCP and I don't want to ever take BCP....

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Well, I get cold easily, I'm thin (though I'm not underweight), and I have dark hair on my arms, & my legs when if I don't shave constantly...and I mean constantly. The hair on my legs grows extremely fast.

However, I have periods like clockwork and I never have any problems with my cycle. I don't even get cramps anymore. I feel slightly uncomfortable the first day and that's it. It's been that way for several years.

My friend has PCOS....I thought I might have it once, but my doctor told me I didn't fit the profile. I never actually got tested because I have no health insurance and can't afford trips to doctors and specialists right now....also because I feel fine. I've never taken BCP and I don't want to ever take BCP....

Yeh im the same i dont want to touch BC pills :(

You seem the same as me, the starflower oil i took helped my cycle even out and i dont get cramps anymore ..i decided though to swap to primrose oil and up the dosage so i hope this will help along with the fish oils.

Is acne still a problem for u i guess ?

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Being cold all the time is often a sign of a lack of saturated fat in your diet. The best sources would be organic meats and organic dairy products (especially cream and whole milk). Try eating a lot of organic beef and tell me how your temperature is effected. You might be surprised to find yourself warming up :).

Being underweight is also very common if you aren't getting enough saturated fat. I bet if you eat more organic animal products, your problems will start to resolve.

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Being cold all the time is often a sign of a lack of saturated fat in your diet. The best sources would be organic meats and organic dairy products (especially cream and whole milk). Try eating a lot of organic beef and tell me how your temperature is effected. You might be surprised to find yourself warming up :).

Being underweight is also very common if you aren't getting enough saturated fat. I bet if you eat more organic animal products, your problems will start to resolve.

Thanks very much for the reply healthdude ;)

That makes sense to me because I rarely eat that much meat and am avoiding milk. Im going to go by your tips and see how I go :)

Thanks again, looking forward to them resolving :D

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I eat quite a bit of meat. Hardly any red meat, but chicken (the most), turkey and some fish here and there. I don't, however, consume dairy because I became badly lactose intolerant. I haven't had any milk since I was probably around 13/14..... I'm sure I eat something on occasion with a miniscule amount of dairy in it, but that's it.

I don't need to gain weight or anything either. I'm trying to remember if I've always gotten cold easily, but honestly I don't know.

starrybabe21 - I just stopped getting cramps all on my own. I never took anything for it and I don't take anything now...it just seemed to change as I got older. I'm not sure why. Acne's still a problem for me (11 years now), but one I'm learning to deal with. My acne is mild but persistent, unchanging through everything I've tried.

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I eat quite a bit of meat. Hardly any red meat, but chicken (the most), turkey and some fish here and there. I don't, however, consume dairy because I became badly lactose intolerant. I haven't had any milk since I was probably around 13/14..... I'm sure I eat something on occasion with a miniscule amount of dairy in it, but that's it.

I don't need to gain weight or anything either.

starrybabe21 - I just stopped getting cramps all on my own. I never took anything for it and I don't take anything now...it just seemed to change as I got older. I'm not sure why. Acne's still a problem for me (11 years now), but one I'm learning to deal with. My acne is mild but persistent, unchanging through everything I've tried.

I gave up dairy around 1-2 years ago after i noticed it made my skin worse. I used to eat yoghurts thinkin they were good for my skin and thought i was stupid when I questioned if it WAS the dairy products i was consuming that was aggravating my acne. Turns out i was right - along with the other 999999 on this board :)

Im sorry to here you still have acne :( I take it you have WAY more experience obv in the fight against acne than me. You havent ever gone for checks for your hormones and stuff have you? Sorry if you have like im sure after 11 years youve tried EVERYTHING but am just checking :shifty:

Do you think its just something we have to live with? or would/have you ever considered accutane?

Thanks for the replies once agen :wub:

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If there was any difference in my acne after I quit dairy it wasn't significant enough for me to really notice it.

The one thing I haven't done that would be left for me to do is go to an Endocrinologist. I haven't done that because there's only a couple around here and my lack of health insurance also keeps me from spending the money on it. Also, the possiblity that I'd get ahold of one that's similar to my dermatologist because I find my derm rather useless.

I'm not a candidate for accutane because my acne is mild. I never get cysts unless I'm under severe long term stress, and my acne's not scarring. Even if I could get it, the fact that I'd have to get on BCP (even though I'd be more than willing to go for abstinence), combined with the money paid out and the side effects...it wouldn't be worth it. If my acne ever worsened to moderate and stayed that way I would consider it as a viable option, especially since I've tried everything else under the sun.

Acne's been the bane of my existence but I got tired of letting it control how I lived and how I felt. If this is how my skin's going to be for the rest of my life, then I want to come to terms with it, and be thankful it's mild.

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If there was any difference in my acne after I quit dairy it wasn't significant enough for me to notice it.

The one thing I haven't done that would be left for me to do is go to an Endocrinologist. I haven't done that because there's only a couple around here and my lack of health insurance also keeps me from spending the money on it. Also, the possiblity that I'd get ahold of one that's similar to my dermatologist (who I find useless). I've tried pretty much everything with the except of an endo, and accutane.

I'm not a candidate for accutane because my acne is too mild. I never get cysts unless I'm under severe long term stress, and my acne's not scarring. Even if I could get it, the fact that I'd have to get on BCP (even though I'd be more than willing to go for abstinence), combined with the money paid out and the side effects...it wouldn't be worth it. If my acne ever worsened to moderate and stayed that way I would consider it as a viable option, especially since I've tried everything else under the sun.

Acne's been the bane of my existence but I got tired of letting it control how I lived and how I felt. If this is how my skin's going to be for the rest of my life, then I want to come to terms with it, and be thankful it's mild.

I admire your way of thinkin :)

Your right, my acne could be so much worse too, hopefully it doesnt go beyond what its like now - mild hyperpigmentation i can deal with its just the fear of scarring that troubles me.

Its horrible the way it costs so much for clear skin, even to get accutane its SOO expensive and unfair. Whilst going the "natural" route also lends its fair share of financial worries.

You seem like a very nice person and i truly want to thank you for replyin to my posts. I hope you soon find something to help you with your acne, oh dnt we all :wall: and that you carry on with your positive attitude :D

Thank You ;)

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Candida overgrowth is known to cause coldness as well. I know I have a terrible time in the winter when I am suffering with candida overgrowth.......

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I´m thin with acne and a bit more hair then avarage and I´ve been thinking a lot about this with hormones. It´s a bit diffecult to write about it in englis but I´m going to try. I can be wrong in some of the stuff I write...

A girl who has PCOS doesn´t have enough progesterone. That´s the hormone controle ovulation. So if you have PCOS (as I understand it) you don´t ovulate and that means that you don´t get your period every month. It can take many months between them.

I have my periods very regulary, but thay are quit long and painful. So I absolutely don´t have a lack of progesteron. But I think I have a lack of estrogen. Thats the hormone that controles stuff with your breasts. Like milkproduction when you´ve had a baby and also a bit how big thay are. This feels strange to write about but mine aren´t very big:).

But I didn´t understand why a lack in estrogen would make me braek out and get more hair. But then I learnt that when you have a lack in one hormone the other two increases. So if I´m low in estrogen I would get a bit higher levels of progesterone and testosterone then normal. And the testosterone could be what gives me acne and hair. And a girl who has PCOS are low in progesterone but high in estrogen and testosterone. And I think it´s the high estrogen thay have that makes them some times over weight.

Well, that´s my thoghts. I hope there´s not to much wrong.

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This has nothing to do with acne, but I just wanted to give a quick note on the being cold all the time: I had that problem several years ago and it turned out that I had anemia.

Irregular periods can also be symptomatic of anemia: When you lose blood irregularly, your body may not be adjusting properly to the drop in iron, and the deficiency can cause anemia.

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Hey Starrybabe, you and i are alot a like. I am under weight though. I'm very thin, I'm not hairy though... atleats I dont think I am... and I am COLD ALL THE TIME... even when people are hot... I'm cold!! lol.

I've cut dairy, gluten and alot of sugar out of my diet and to be totally honest I have not seen any good changes if anything I have gotten worse... I was wondering if maybe my thryroid was responsible for any of this, because I just got acne last year before that I never got it. I mean maybe one or two pimples here and there but I am 20 years old now and I'm going crazy cause its like I grew INTO acne and all my friends are growing out of it. :(

I am on B5 right now, it's my 11th day... I have not clue what to expect but to be totally honest, I'm sick of living like I'm trying to find the CURE all the time. It takes up like 90% of my freakin thoughts, I cant even concentrate at work, it's horrible. I just want the CURE LOL, I want to go back to being care free and go back to eating DAIRY and TOAST MMMM and pizza. Wow.. haha sorry i get kinda carried away, anyway I think the cause of my acne is either hormones or thyroid I am going to the doctor next week, I am going to ask her about it. I actually woke up one day about two weeks ago with the area where my thyroid is THROBBING, it was quite painful and lasted two days... I have no clue what the heck that was about, anyone else get that?? Lol very doubtful...

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Have you ever had your thyroid checked? You could have an over active thyroid.

If you don't have much body fat, you are going to get cold easily.

I have hormonal acne...and definitely not PCOS. Bu I do have excess hair. I have gotten laser hair removal, and it helps alot!

I also build muscle super easily...one of the benefits of having excess testosterone!

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I am thin, have excess hair ,always cold, and although im on BC... i had always had regular periods before. I always suspected I had anemia... but never sure.

Something else is that when I wouldnt eat for a couple of hours, I would all of a sudden get really really hungry and if i didnt eat right then and there, i would start to sweat really bad, my heart would race, and id feel like i was going to pass out. Anybody experience that?

Mickey: Did you do any specific hair removal treatment? Im planning on doing it for my facial hair in a couple of months and i was trying to figure out the best method... ??

Anyways, I think those symptoms could be related and maybe were on to something here... :)

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Candida overgrowth is known to cause coldness as well. I know I have a terrible time in the winter when I am suffering with candida overgrowth.......

Thats quite interesting :think: what are the main symptoms you had indicating you were suffering from it .

Thanks

I am thin, have excess hair ,always cold, and although im on BC... i had always had regular periods before. I always suspected I had anemia... but never sure.

Something else is that when I wouldnt eat for a couple of hours, I would all of a sudden get really really hungry and if i didnt eat right then and there, i would start to sweat really bad, my heart would race, and id feel like i was going to pass out. Anybody experience that?

Mickey: Did you do any specific hair removal treatment? Im planning on doing it for my facial hair in a couple of months and i was trying to figure out the best method... ??

Anyways, I think those symptoms could be related and maybe were on to something here... :)

Hey its me :D

well thats who it feels like your describing :shifty: haha

I never really let myself get hungry coz i snack snack snack like little meals throughout the day. As for excess hair, my mam had it too but like now she has no hair on her face at all (im not sayin ive a beard or anything just really fine strands of dark brown hair, it wudnt be that bad if it was blonde which i have to bleach - but its not too bad just a pain) so it muct be hormone related if it just stopped when she went through the menopause, all she has is upper lip hair like - not bad at all.

Im looking into laser because its good for acne too :) a little pricy but if it works im happy :D

Hey Starrybabe, you and i are alot a like. I am under weight though. I'm very thin, I'm not hairy though... atleats I dont think I am... and I am COLD ALL THE TIME... even when people are hot... I'm cold!! lol.

I've cut dairy, gluten and alot of sugar out of my diet and to be totally honest I have not seen any good changes if anything I have gotten worse... I was wondering if maybe my thryroid was responsible for any of this, because I just got acne last year before that I never got it. I mean maybe one or two pimples here and there but I am 20 years old now and I'm going crazy cause its like I grew INTO acne and all my friends are growing out of it. :(

I am on B5 right now, it's my 11th day... I have not clue what to expect but to be totally honest, I'm sick of living like I'm trying to find the CURE all the time. It takes up like 90% of my freakin thoughts, I cant even concentrate at work, it's horrible. I just want the CURE LOL, I want to go back to being care free and go back to eating DAIRY and TOAST MMMM and pizza. Wow.. haha sorry i get kinda carried away, anyway I think the cause of my acne is either hormones or thyroid I am going to the doctor next week, I am going to ask her about it. I actually woke up one day about two weeks ago with the area where my thyroid is THROBBING, it was quite painful and lasted two days... I have no clue what the heck that was about, anyone else get that?? Lol very doubtful...

I know how much i craved them foods too :wall: but its not too bad i always feel rubbish after eating pizza anyway haha, some of us just dont know when to leave the pizza, or grab another slice - that would be ME :shifty: lol

I dont want to go to the doctor because im dead against BC pills, im afraid they will mess me up and then theres weight gain so i dont wana screw up my metabolism and stuff, id rather gain weight through healthy eating and try natural supplements.

Your thyroid throbbing :shock: wo keep me posted on what the doc says bout this will u please :) i probably did at some stage get it.

As for the B5, how do you think its going for you, have you tried evening primrose oil and stuff to see if it would work?? If its hormone related do you think B5 will do anything?

Thnks agen.

Have you ever had your thyroid checked? You could have an over active thyroid.

If you don't have much body fat, you are going to get cold easily.

I have hormonal acne...and definitely not PCOS. Bu I do have excess hair. I have gotten laser hair removal, and it helps alot!

I also build muscle super easily...one of the benefits of having excess testosterone!

The excess hair is annoying too isnt it. I mainly have it on the side of my face (cheeks downy strands) and pretty much everywhere actually, luck enough its really thin but just lots of it unfortunately :ninja: lol- or mini sideburns :D haha, erm my upper lip and kinda on my forehead - but i noticed a lot of people have that :) I might go for the laser and say ...take it all off :D

Apart from the eyebrows :shock: haha

I might also look into chinese medicine for acupuncture and stuff, its meant to be really good. Only for the fact of the excess hair, being thin (heard its something to do with hormones because they affect metabolism)

Im going to give this a shot to see if my hormones are haywire lol

Thanks for such an honest input ;)

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Acne and Extra Hair

Increases in hair growth and female acne do, unfortunately, go together because the hormonal cause of the two conditions is the same. In both cases, androgens (testosterone and related hormones) act to trigger the condition.

The initial event in acne is increased oil production. The oil is produced in the sebaceous glands which are part of the same skin structure as the hair follicles. The two are part of the same skin structure, called the pilosebaceous unit. While the sebaceous gland responds to testosterone by making more oil, the hair root responds by growing hair that is longer, thicker and darker.

The sebaceous glands respond immediately to testosterone and so acne usually appears fairly soon after levels go up. The hair follicle however may take months or years to respond so increases in hair growth generally appear at a somewhat later age than acne. Not everyone follows this pattern however.

What Causes Acne?

Acne is an androgenic disorder, like hirsutism [Hormones and Unwanted Hair], which means that it is set off by the effects of the family of hormones called androgens. These include testosterone, DHEA-S and others. Testosterone is the most important of these. While androgens are often thought of as male hormones, this is misleading because adult women have active levels in their blood. Women’s levels are only about a tenth of those found in men

The first event leading to acne is stimulation of the sebaceous (oil making) glands by testosterone. Next, the pores plug up and trap the oil inside. Bacteria grow in the trapped oil, causing the production of irritating chemicals. Finally the body’s immune system comes into play. There is both good and bad news about this immune response. While it fights the bacteria, it also causes the redness, swelling, pus-like fluid and later scarring which make acne so unsightly.

Many women notice that their acne is worse in the week before their period. The exact reason for this common pattern is not known, but obviously it is related to hormonal changes during the cycle, perhaps a rise in testosterone at midcycle.

Getting sufficient essential fatty acids is of prime importance in clearing acne. It's these fatty acids that help to control the production of excess androgens - the hormones that surge during the teen-age times It is androgens, which causes excess sebum oil to clog your hair follicle and contribute to creating your acne.

The three fatty acids you need to get daily are:

omega-3

omega-6

omega-9

When you are deficient in these essential fatty acids, you will have.....

A weaken immune system

Inflammatory disorders

Poor skin

Skin eruptions and other wounds that won't heal

Sebum production increases (this is what happens when you have acne)

Sebaceous glands size increases

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Hey all,

Polycystic Ovarian SYNDROME means you do NOT have to have ALL symptoms, just a few.

There's are several forms of PCOS or Insulin Resistant (the main cause of PCOS):

Type A Insulin Resistance - Hyperandrogenism, Acne, Hirsutism, and can be thin or highly muscluar, typically defined for young women (but I think that's because they don't pay men enough attention)

PCOS - Classic symptoms are overweight, trouble having regular periods & concieving, cystic ovaries, but there's over a dozen "symptoms"

HAIR-AN Subtype (call myself this one) - Hyperandrogenism, Insulin Resistant, Acanthosis Nigricans

SAHA Subtype - Seborrhea, Acne, Hyperandrogenism

Of course, Women & Men (different name) with PCOS can also have NCCAH, Non-Classical Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (similiar symptoms) or they may be misdiagnosed with the NCCAH instead of PCOS.

Women & Men with PCOS or IR can also be Hypothyroid. This would give you the feeling of being cold all the time, and despite constantly hearing about Hyperthyroid and excess iodine, Hypothyroid is the hormonal disorder most commonly mentioned among thyroid disorders on this and various acne boards for members that obviously have acne. Again, yes it has to do with inflammation and being defficient in a protein that binds Free Androgen Levels (SHBG).

I usually tell people I am Insulin Resitant (also my father's side is more susceptible to Type II diabetes). If it's a women, and I'm aware of her medical/health history then I'll mention PCOS. I was not officially dx as PCOS, my former Endocrinologist said that I was EITHER IR or PCOS, but if I had to classify myself as PCOS, I would pick HAIR-AN variant as this form leaves out what people most commonly associate with being PCOS. Since I'm thin, always had regular periods, but dysmenorrhea (went away with dietary changes), mild hirsutism, mild AN, acne everywhere, and trouble with my head hair sometimes, that's the one I would fall under if need be. Most of these problems were eliminated or greatly reduced when I changed my diet, which again would fall back to being predominately insulin resistant and as such am living with a Silent Chronic Inflammatory Disease (why food avoidances and/or healing leaky gut & cleansing/liver flushes works).

Anyway, gotta run but PLEASE visit these websites and the Acne Diet & LGS Guide pinned at the top for more information! http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php?showtopic=101692

Books (I own both and they are great)

http://www.fertilityforall.com or http://www.epc-odx.com

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/index.html (see my review in the Acne Diet & LGS Resource Guide)

Support or Information

http://www.infertilityphysician.com/androgen/pcos.html (men & women)

http://www.soulcysters.net

http://www.pcosupport.org/forums/index.php

http://www.pcosliving.com/forums/

Self-Tests (I've got about 6 symptoms, but based on these tests I'm always on the low-risk side for PCOS)

http://pcos.insulitelabs.com/PCOS-Self-Test.php

http://www.pcosupport.org/support/quiz.php

:angel:

P.S. Women with PCOS or not all the "symptoms" would love for this name to change because men ARE also affected and it's makes it misleading for people to get the proper dx if all a doctor is going to do is look at you and claim "you don't fit the profile" Threfore, your BEST bet is to visit an Endocrinologist to get the proper tests in order to get the right diagnosis!

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Starrybabe, I notice you have fresh fruit on your diet. This is full of simple carbs, sugar, and especially fructose which not only feeds Candida, but is bad for infections in general including acne, fructose also is a chelator and leaches minerals such as zinc. It's also bad for PCOS. I strongly suggest you avoid simple carbs for a while and caffeine, just drink tap water (its best as it dont filter out minerals).

Simple carbs include lactose in milk which should be avoided. Cottage cheese is very low in fat and lactose so is OK for most people.

Complex carbs are all fine, preferably from wholegrain sources. Oats, rice, pasta are fine for example.

Avoid fats.

Protein should be fatless, tuna packed in water, skinless chicken, turkey are good. Keep fats low, there are enough EFA's in very low fat poultry and fish.

If you are hungry eat, if not don't.

When you've seen an improvement you can increase fruits to see if you can handle it. Still no more than 1 piece a day. You can probably get away with a cup or 2 of tea a day as well later.

Exercise is also important as it helps the immune system, brisk 20 minute walks at least 3 times a week is good, or jog on spot for 20 minutes or exercise bike.

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