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mommalove- make sure you are not drinking the tea within 1/2 hour either side of taking borage oil. tea has a chemical that inhibits certain nutrients.

WHAT!?!?! that stinks! How did you know that? Basically it'll just make the borage oil less effective?

thx...I'll be certain to watch that.. :think:

Good luck momma, keep us posted

thx fuZ....It's been one week...already clearing and feel great! Although I believe the clearing is becuase I stopped the BP and TTO topical junk....tea tree is for acne/oily skinl..yeah, well ironically I think it is what was makin' me itch and breakout worse! ALSO...great to be off the minocycline...NO MORE HEADACHES! YEAH! I use simple gentle wash and just be kind to my skin...Borage oil is goin' great! I take the high dose...no lecithin though, but I take my capsules with milk and try to eat an egg for breakfast most days (then I get some lecithin anyway, lol). I'll keep on and let cha' know!

Hi,

Can somebody recommend the best brand of borage oil preferably in liquid form or something strong so that I dont have to swallow 10 capsules.

Also, it'll be really helpful if we could collate the success of the people who have started this program as this sound to be one of the most simple regimens on this forum,

Thanks

HEY! as 'someoneintheuk' advised...it is prrrrretttty nasty to take the oil....so go with the capsules... I found Borage Oil "NOW" brand it is 1050mg borage oil...so I take 4 a day....2 wbrkfst and 2 w/dinner...5000mg of borage oil/day..... this is only 960mg of GLA/day...(someintheuk reccomends 2000mg gla/day to begin)...I also can't stomach the 8 pills a day..but this is going better than I thought! Drink with milk and goes down smooth...I'm gonna stick with this for now.....sorry if that was confUZin'. I just think you'll do better long term if ya go capsule form....you may quickly tire of the nasty oil taste otherwise! Either way...best of luck!!!! :D

Does anyone think its ok to take these captuals along with a omega 3-6-9 captule, zinc and multivitamines, or shall i take them seperate?

ARGH, me too...I want to take my multi-vit...but 'someoneintheuk' advised that is a no go! :cry: I don't know about the rest, but prob. best to quit the multi-vit for now.....talk to someonintheuk for more info...

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Just wanted to shoot out an update on this regieme.

Its cleared up all my forming and marks on the backs of my arms, shoulders. As well as the two I had on my chest!

And I didn't use anything else on those areas, espchilly..NONE at all.

Usaully I cleanse daily in the shower with an back brush. Then spot treat with some acne treatment.

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I was at the store today... and saw how cheap evening primrose oil was while getting more MSM. Only 6 bucks for 90 capsules. Well, what the hell I thought. It can't hurt. But wow, you guys are really megadosing this stuff...

I also got some lecithin, as I remembered how dirt cheap it was and how it makes me really clear headed and sharp...

I'm gonna add the lectithin to my green smoothies, then take the GLA with coconut or kefir for fat.

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R.S. Joined to us :clap:

I was at the store today... and saw how cheap evening primrose oil was while getting more MSM. Only 6 bucks for 90 capsules. Well, what the hell I thought. It can't hurt. But wow, you guys are really megadosing this stuff...

I also got some lecithin, as I remembered how dirt cheap it was and how it makes me really clear headed and sharp...

I'm gonna add the lectithin to my green smoothies, then take the GLA with coconut or kefir for fat.

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Seriously, I love lecithin. It's like my head will be a foggy day, and lecithin is the sun that clears everything away. Like being on a slightly higher state of consciousness. Does anyone else get really clear headed from it? I'm pretty positive it's because of the choline content.

But yeah, I think I'm gonna take 20 a day, I had 10 today... my bottle is gonna run out prety fast, fuck. I figured 90 caps for 6 bucks was a good deal until now..

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Melfice2k, wat dose do you take a day? is it 1000mg and how many do you take?

starrybabe21

I rememba you had a thread on ACV... do u still apply it topically on ur face?

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yes it will work for everyone this is old news primose and borage oil both have gla which balances horomones and aids digestion, ive posted this numerous times people dont wanna listen. GLA alone wont cure ur acne but combined with good diet and sleep ur on ur way to clear skin, If u eat healthy enough and avoid garbage ur body will begin to make gla on its own like its suppose to. Eveyrone who has acne needs gla cause there prostagland pathway is currently blocked due to poor diet for years and years. It all boils down to prostaglands.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is GLA, glycolic acid?? that does nothing for me anyway.

Gonna give the primrose a try.........

Thanks :)

someoneintheuk Lol I am tired eating a day raw egg yolks for support lecithin becouse on many article I found that taking raw egg yolks everday for long period is danger + it is makes blood dirty:

... I know it is better to take as supplement lecithin but I cant in our country I can order online but atm cant do .. Do u have any idea what I can do about lecithing?

Ebay, I have bought things there that I can't order on line. Use paypal!

Look at different sellers.

also I would reccomend the granules, put in orange juice or so.

But the capsles are fine too.

Had better luck with the granules myself............. :think:

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I take now 2 tablespoon EFA a day - per tablespoon 290mg - Ive tried high dose EFA 2 day like 8 spoon but than got very oily skin I think I am over dosed.. So for me normally is 2tablespoon

2TableSpoon also recommend on Leo's You last Acne solution ebook , AcneCured Ebook & And No more Acne Ebook. Those 3 ebook recommend to take 2 max 3 table spoon EFA.

That's all

Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)

Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) is an essential fatty acid (EFA) in the omega-6 family that is found primarily in plant-based oils. EFAs are essential to human health but cannot be made in the body. For this reason, they must be obtained from food. EFAs are needed for normal brain function, growth and development, bone health, stimulation of skin and hair growth, regulation of metabolism, and maintenance of reproductive processes.

Linoleic acid (LA), another omega-6 fatty acid, is found in cooking oils and processed foods and converted to GLA in the body. GLA is then broken down to arachidonic acid (AA) and/or another substance called dihomogamma-liolenic acid (DGLA). AA can also be consumed directly from meat, and GLA is available directly from evening primrose oil (EPO), black currant seed oil, and borage oil. Most of these oils also contain some linoleic acid.

The average North American diet provides more than 10 times the necessary amount of linoleic acid and tends to have too much omega-6 fatty acids compared to omega-3 fatty acids, another important class of EFAs. In fact, for optimum health, the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids should be between 1:1 and 4:1. The typical North American and Israeli diets are usually in the range of 11:1 to 30:1. This imbalance contributes to the development of long-term diseases such as heart disease, cancer, asthma, arthritis, and depression as well as, possibly, increased risk of infection.

Interestingly, not all omega-6 fatty acids behave the same. Linoleic acid (not to be confused with alpha-linolenic acid, which is in the omega-3 family) and arachidonic acid (AA) tend to be unhealthy because they promote inflammation, thereby increasing the risk of the diseases mentioned when consumed in excess. In contrast, GLA may actually reduce inflammation.

Much of the GLA taken from the oils mentioned or as a supplement is not converted to AA, but rather to DGLA. DGLA competes with AA and prevents the negative inflammatory effects that AA would otherwise cause in the body. Having adequate amounts of certain nutrients in the body (including magnesium, zinc, and vitamins C, B3, and B6) helps to promote the conversion of GLA to DGLA rather than AA.

It is important to know that many experts feel that the science supporting the use of omega-3 fatty acids to reduce inflammation and prevent diseases is much stronger than the information regarding use of GLA for these purposes. Two important, and most studied, omega-3 fatty acids include eicosopentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), both found in fish and fish oils.

Uses

Some clinicians and preliminary research suggest that GLA may be useful for the following purposes:

Diabetes

Omega-6 fatty acid supplementation, in the form of GLA from EPO or other sources may assist nerve function and help prevent nerve disease experienced by those with diabetes (called peripheral neuropathy and felt as numbness, tingling, pain, burning, or lack of sensation in the feet and/or legs).

Eye Disease

GLA may be beneficial in dry-eye conditions such as Sjögren's syndrome (a condition with symptoms of dry eyes, dry mouth, and, often, arthritis).

Osteoporosis

A deficiency in essential fatty acids (including GLA and EPA, an omega-3 fatty acid) can lead to severe bone loss and osteoporosis. Studies have shown that supplements of GLA and EPA together help maintain or increase bone mass. Essential fatty acids may also enhance calcium absorption, increase calcium deposits in bones, diminish calcium loss in urine, improve bone strength, and enhance bone growth, all of which may contribute to improved bone mass and, therefore, strength.

Menopausal Symptoms

Although EPO has gained some popularity for treating hot flashes, the research to date has not demonstrated a benefit of GLA or EPO over taking a placebo. With that said, there are individual women who report improvement; therefore, it may be worthwhile to talk to your doctor about whether it is safe for you to try EPO or another form of GLA supplements to alleviate hot flashes.

Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS)

Although results of studies have been mixed, some women find relief of their PMS symptoms when using GLA supplements from EPO or another source. The symptoms that seem to be helped the most are breast tenderness and feelings of depression as well as irritability and swelling and bloating from fluid retention. Breast tenderness from causes other than PMS may also improve with use of GLA.

Eczema

Several early studies suggested that EPO (rich in GLA) is more beneficial than placebo at relieving symptoms associated with this skin condition such as itching, redness, and scaling. However, more recent studies have not had the same positive results testing GLA supplements derived from EPO. The bottom line is that whether EPO and GLA supplements work for someone with eczema may be very individual. Talk to your doctor about the possibility and safety of trying GLA for this condition.

Allergies

People who are prone to allergies may require more EFAs and often have difficulty converting LA to GLA. In fact, women and infants who are prone to allergies appear to have lower levels of GLA in breast milk and blood.

To date, the use of EFAs to prevent allergic reactions or reduce their magnitude has had mixed results. There have been some reports of individuals lessening their allergic reaction by taking GLA from EPO. For example, one young boy who broke out in hives when around dogs, no longer had this response after taking EPO for one month. Well-conducted research studies are needed to determine whether EPO can be helpful for large numbers of people with allergies.

On the other hand, a study evaluating dietary intake of omega-6 fatty acids relative to the risk of having hay fever (called allergic rhinitis) found different results for this other type of allergic reaction. Nurses in Japan with higher amounts of omega-6 in their diet were more likely to have hay fever.

Omega-6 fatty acids from the diet or supplements, such as GLO from EPO or other sources, have a longstanding history of folk use for allergies. Whether this supplement improves your symptoms, therefore, may be very individual. Work with your healthcare provider to first determine if it is safe for you to try GLA and then follow your allergy symptoms closely for any signs of improvement or lack there of.

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Some preliminary information indicates that GLA, from EPO, borage oil, or black currant seed oil, may diminish joint pain, swelling, and morning stiffness. GLA may also allow for reduction in the amount of pain medication used by those with rheumatoid arthritis. The studies to date, however, have been small in size. Additional research would be helpful, including testing a proposed theory that using GLA and EPA (an omega-3 fatty acid from fish and fish oil) together would be helpful for rheumatoid arthritis.

In the meantime, talk to your doctor about whether using GLA is safe for you and then pay attention, over 1 to 3 months of use, to whether your symptoms get better or not. In terms of borage oil, some researchers theorize that it may not be safe to use with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs such as ibuprofen, which are commonly used for arthritis). This theory needs to be tested. See Possible Interactions.

Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

Research to date has suggested an improvement in symptoms and behaviors related to ADHD from omega-3 fatty acids. Results of studies supplying omega-6 fatty acids in the form of GLA from EPO or other sources to children with ADHD, however, have been mixed and, therefore, not conclusive. More research on GLA for ADHD is needed before conclusions can be drawn. In the meantime, ensuring a healthier balance of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acids in the diet seems worthwhile for those with this behavioral condition.

Alcoholism

EPO may help lessen cravings for alcohol and prevent liver damage. Some of this information comes from animal studies; more research in people is needed.

Cancer

Results of studies looking at the relationship of omega-6 fatty acids to cancer have been mixed. While LA and AA are cancer promoting in studies of colon, breast, and other cancers, GLA has shown some benefit for breast cancer in certain studies. The information is not conclusive and is somewhat controversial. The safest bet is to eat a diet with the proper balance of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acids (see How To Take It), starting from a young age, to try to prevent the development of cancer.

Weight Loss

Results of studies regarding use of EPO for weight loss have been mixed and, therefore, use of this type of supplement won't work for everyone. One study suggests that if the supplement is going to work, it does so mainly for overweight individuals for whom obesity runs in the family. In addition, a few other small studies suggest that the more overweight you are, the more likely that EPO will help. In fact, if your body weight is only 10% above normal (for example, 10 to 20 pounds above average), EPO is unlikely to help you lose weight.

High Blood Pressure and Heart Disease

Animal studies suggest that GLA, either alone or in combination with two important omega-3 fatty acids, EPA and DHA both found in fish and fish oil, may lower the blood pressure of hypertensive rats. Together with EPA and DHA, the GLA helped to prevent the development of heart disease in these animals as well. It is unclear whether these benefits would occur in people.

In one study evaluating people with peripheral artery disease (blockage in the blood vessels in the legs from atherosclerosis [plaque] causing cramping pain when walking), men and women with this condition did experience improvement in their blood pressure from the combination of EPA and GLA. Much more research is needed in people before conclusions can be drawn. Plus, it may not be the GLA conferring the benefit at all – the omega-3 fatty acids, which are better known for improving blood pressure and the risks for heart disease, may be solely responsible.

Ulcers

Very preliminary evidence from test tube and animal studies suggest that GLA from EPO may have anti-ulcer properties. It is premature to know how this might apply to people with stomach or intestinal ulcers or gastritis (inflammation of the stomach).

Dietary Sources

GLA is found in the plant seed oils of evening primrose, black currant, borage, and fungal oils. Spirulina (often called blue-green algae) also contains GLA.

Available Forms

GLA supplements are derived from evening primrose oil (EPO) as well as black currant seed and borage seed oils. The GLA supplements are often packaged in oil containing capsules. EPO has been the most researched source of GLA.

Generally, high-quality oil will be certified as organic by a reputable third party, packaged in light-resistant containers, refrigerated, and marked with a freshness date.

How to Take It

For general health, there should be a balance between omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids; the ratio should be in the range of 1:1 to 4:1; the typical North American diet, however, normally provides ratios from 11:1 to 30:1.

Pediatric

* For nursing infants, adequate amounts of essential fatty acids are generally supplied in breast milk if the mother is adequately nourished.

* For older children, essential fatty acids should be obtained through the diet. Because it is important to maintain a balance of fatty acids within the body, it may be appropriate to check fatty acid levels before considering GLA supplements for children.

It is important to note that although dietary guidelines as described have been suggested, there are no established therapeutic doses for GLA supplements in children. Some clinicians suggest that EPO 2,000 to 4,000 mg per day may be used safely for children with eczema; research is needed to confirm.

Adult

* The recommended dosage for rheumatoid arthritis is 1,400 mg per day of GLA or 3,000 mg of EPO.

* For diabetes it is 480 mg per day of GLA.

* For breast tenderness or other symptoms of PMS, 3,000 to 4,000 mg of EPO per day is the dose suggested.

* For other conditions discussed in Uses, a specific safe and appropriate dose of GLA supplements has not yet been established.

* Studies have suggested that up to 2,800 mg of GLA per day is well tolerated.

Precautions

Because of the potential for side effects and interactions with medications, dietary supplements should be taken only under the supervision of a knowledgeable healthcare provider.

Omega-6 supplements, including GLA and EPO, should not be used if you have a seizure disorder because there have been reports of these supplements inducing seizures.

Borage seed oil, and possibly other sources of GLA, should not be used during pregnancy because they may be harmful to the fetus and induce early labor.

Doses of GLA greater than 3,000 mg per day should be avoided because, at that point, production of AA (rather than DGLA) may increase.

Possible Interactions

If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use GLA without first talking to your healthcare provider.

Ceftazidime

GLA may increase the effectiveness of ceftazidime, an antibiotic in a class known as cephalosporins, against a variety of bacterial infections.

Chemotherapy for cancer

GLA may increase the effects of anti-cancer treatments, such as doxorubicin, cisplatin, carboplatin, idarubicin, mitoxantrone, tamoxifen, vincristine, and vinblastine.

Cyclosporine

Taking omega-6 fatty acids, such as GLA, during therapy with cyclosporine, a medication used to suppress the immune system after an organ transplant, for example, may increase the immunosuppressive effects of this medication and may protect against kidney damage (a possible side effect from this medication).

Nonsteroidal Anti-inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs)

Theoretically, use of NSAIDs, such as ibuprofen, together with borage oil or other GLA containing supplements may counteract the effects of the supplement. Research in this area is needed to know if this theory is accurate.

Phenothiazines for schizophrenia

Individuals taking a class of medications called phenothiazines (such as chlorpromazine, fluphenazine, perphenazine, promazine, and thioridazine) to treat schizophrenia should not take EPO because it may interact with these medications and increase the risk of seizures. The same may be true for other GLA containing supplements.

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Has anyone had increased oil production taking this stuff?

Does anyone know if tea tree oil might be causing increased oil production.

The oil aint as much as when i was drinking sugar all day but its more than the improved level soon after

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WHAT!?!?! that stinks! How did you know that? Basically it'll just make the borage oil less effective?

momma love:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living...pplements.shtml

"As with all minerals the tanine in tea inhibits absorption, so supplements, (and really meals if you're using diet to increase your mineral intake) should not be taken with tea."

Source: http://www.beatcfs.info/supment.htm

Im not convinced about Eve Primrose anymore. I used Borage oil to clear my skin, and just assumed Eve Prim would do the same trick. But having tested it and making sure to get the same dose of GLA as I was with borage I broke out a bit. :think:

http://facemaster-status.blogspot.com/

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WHAT!?!?! that stinks! How did you know that? Basically it'll just make the borage oil less effective?

momma love:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living...pplements.shtml

"As with all minerals the tanine in tea inhibits absorption, so supplements, (and really meals if you're using diet to increase your mineral intake) should not be taken with tea."

Source: http://www.beatcfs.info/supment.htm

THX facemaster.... :D

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i would say 10g at first, then lower the dose once your acne has disappeared/ is significantly decreasing in severity.

As a maintenance dose i take 5000mg borage oil a day

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i would say 10g at first, then lower the dose once your acne has disappeared/ is significantly decreasing in severity.

As a maintenance dose i take 5000mg borage oil a day

NO

Unless you have a diagnosed ailment warranting short term megadosing like some people with Vit D, you shouldn't be taking 10g or even need to.

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10 grams! holy crap.

If you want fast results then a high dose is the way to get them. You can clear your skin tentatively if you wish using a lower dose. I wouldnt go lower than 1000mg GLA/day if you want to see results though.

NO

Unless you have a diagnosed ailment warranting short term megadosing like some people with Vit D, you shouldn't be taking 10g or even need to.

I dont consider 2000mg GLA megadosing.

High doses of GLA are quite commonly recommended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living...ial_fatty_acids

http://www.fatsforhealth.com/library/libitems/omega6.php

"Studies have suggested that up to 2,800 mg of GLA per day is well tolerated."

Source: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/...cAcidGLAcs.html

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Decided to join in... anyway, went to holland+barretts (UK) and got -

50 x 1000mg starflower caps for £4.24 (on offer, usually 8.49)

50 x 1200mg soya lecithin caps for £2.79

100 x 100mg niacin tabs for £2.49

100 x 200mcg chromium picolinate for £2.29

^^ Just to give uk folks a general idea of how much this regimen costs. Didn't get vit C cause I already had 500mg tabs lying about.

I like the sound of this 'internal' approach to acne rather than heaping on the bp. I'll let you know how it goes. Thx for the info someone.

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Good luck ;)

Decided to join in... anyway, went to holland+barretts (UK) and got -

50 x 1000mg starflower caps for £4.24 (on offer, usually 8.49)

50 x 1200mg soya lecithin caps for £2.79

100 x 100mg niacin tabs for £2.49

100 x 200mcg chromium picolinate for £2.29

^^ Just to give uk folks a general idea of how much this regimen costs. Didn't get vit C cause I already had 500mg tabs lying about.

I like the sound of this 'internal' approach to acne rather than heaping on the bp. I'll let you know how it goes. Thx for the info someone.

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Decided to join in... anyway, went to holland+barretts (UK) and got -

50 x 1000mg starflower caps for £4.24 (on offer, usually 8.49)

50 x 1200mg soya lecithin caps for £2.79

100 x 100mg niacin tabs for £2.49

100 x 200mcg chromium picolinate for £2.29

^^ Just to give uk folks a general idea of how much this regimen costs. Didn't get vit C cause I already had 500mg tabs lying about.

I like the sound of this 'internal' approach to acne rather than heaping on the bp. I'll let you know how it goes. Thx for the info someone.

excellent :clap:

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