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So it's ok to apply more then 3x a day? I'm applying as much as possible to try and dry out some pimples which seems to be working, but also leaving my skin tight. (which is ok I guess, ha :) )

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Nice reply, Miss eusa_clap.gif

Wazuh ! eusa_shhh.gif eusa_shhh.gif If you can't contribute to this thread, why post at all ?!! Get back into your hole, please.

And SmashingPumpkin; the stuff you dig out from the net is awesome !! Really interesting reading, keep us posted..you're a huge help for me (and others, I believe). Don't let this tosser bug ya rolleyes.gif smile.gif

lol why are you flaming me, I was giving the girl a compliment about her skin not implying that she was 'showing off' her skin .. Definately dont need to hear insults from a random person over the internet ALA you

My sincere apologies Wazuh!! :cry:

It's just that your previous reply came across as a bitter remark rather than one of praise. I'm convinced that both SmashingPumpkins and others read it like that too.

But we where obviously mistaken; again, sorry 'bout that harsh reply I gave you. I see a lot of people in other threads bashing and slagging others and basically having nothing constructive to say, that when I came across your earlier reply I just started to boil a bit due to my misreading/misunderstanding of your post.

I hope you accept my apology :pray: ;)

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has anyone seen delna's thread? its like 70 pages and I think she first mentioned the benefits of acv many years ago. Lots of info on that thread. I think the thread name is called "OMG you must try this"...something like that.

yeah, but her regimen also had baking soda scrubs and egg masks. not that those don't work, but it's a lot more complicated than swiping your face with a cotton ball everyday. and from her information, it sounded like only baking soda was making our face pH more alkaline, when in reality it's almost all the soaps you use, which is why you should use ACV even if you DON'T use baking soda. plus, now we know exactly why we want a lower pH (acne hates it). and pumpkin has brought up a lot of good points about other benefits of ACV that weren't mentioned in delna's (AHA, takes away oiliness, etc)

hehehe, every time i check back to this thread, theres like three more people who have amazing reviews! it's great!

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So it's ok to apply more then 3x a day? I'm applying as much as possible to try and dry out some pimples which seems to be working, but also leaving my skin tight. (which is ok I guess, ha :) )

I don't see anything wrong with applying it more than 3x a day. If it feels tight make sure you use a moisturizer then.

Hey SmashingPumpkins, I love this apple cider thread. Well I started using ACV a month ago (probably its been nearly 2 months now) I decided to use ACV after reading raving reviews. Anyway I first started off using ACV at night; splashing my face (didn’t wipe it dry) and straight undiluted ACV on cotton wool and in gentle circular motions I wiped it over my face, and the cotton wool soaked up the water (cuz I didn’t dry my face). Now I find it easier to not splash my face, dilute equal amounts of ACV (1 tbs) and water (1 tbs) and with cotton wool, wipe it over my entire face. I really like ACV and probably 1-2 times a day I drink ACV. What I do is, about 1-2 tbs of ACV and ½-1 tbs of honey goes in a glass and then I pour water. Stir it till the honey dissolves, and you know what, its sooooo YUMMY. Luv it, tastes so nice. I have a lot of red marks to fade and hopefully with my regime ACV and aloe vera (fruit of the earth) will help. I have been using aloe vera for nearly 6 months. I know long time. Anyway I believe going the natural approach is the best in the long run. I really like ACV and it makes my face feel smooth. I use baking soda as my mask/scrub which I also love. I visit this thread daily and I believe ACV will help a lot of people! Looking at your gallery, your face looks almost perfect and CONGRATULATIONS! :D hoping I will achieve this goal soon. Please visit my log, I have pics of my red marks (luckily I haven’t got scarring like pit/pick? holes) Every breakout I get, even tho I squeeze it or not, it will always leave a red mark behind. Lately ive seen an improvement in my red marks, the aloe is great in helping my marks but in conjunction with ACV is even better ! And because its ph is on the acidic side, this helps fight off bacteria. I now the baking soda is alkaline, which I use as a scrub and mask but I find that it helps my skin also.

So theres my story. Thanks Smashing Pumpkins :) . Loving apple cider vinegar :wub:

I think you have a really good regimen. It is too bad not everyone knows that baking soda is alkaline so when they use it they are actually not helping their skin AT ALL unless they use ACV afterwards. I think you are doing a wonderful regimen for your red marks. I did not see much of an improvement using Aloe Vera Gel, so now I just use it when I feel a little dry or a get a sun burn. I saw your pix, they are a bit blurry so I cannot say if you have any scarring. Try holding the camera a little farther next time. I know if you take pix to close like that it just comes out kinda blurry. I hope you stick with the regimen. Sometimes it takes other slonger to see results so don't be discouraged, if you haven't seen significant results yet. Just like people no the Clear Skin Regimen it could be up to 2 months! before they see a noticeable difference. I am glad that you really like the regimen and it is working :)

has anyone seen delna's thread? its like 70 pages and I think she first mentioned the benefits of acv many years ago. Lots of info on that thread. I think the thread name is called "OMG you must try this"...something like that.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php...35&hl=Delna -- That is Delna's it's kinda confusing when you read it. I think she wa son the right track .. but I don't think washing off the ACV is beneficial becasue it doesnt tae 2 seconds to abosrb. You need to let it dry on your face so that is gets into every pore. I am getting amazing results, I think that washing it off would only hinder that.

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APPLE SKIN TONER

Intended for slightly oily skins, we're told by our skincare team that Apple Toner is an excellent substitute for rubbing alcohol (a real no-no, as it actually stimulates the oil glands to produce more oil).

Combine 2/3 cup witch hazel,

1/3 cup of apple cider vinegar,

and several drops of Lavender Essential Oil (or essential oil of your choice).

Mix, and add to clean bottle. Shake bottle well before using, and then dampen a cotton ball or pad saturated with your toner, and swab over face. Witch hazel is a gentle astringent, apple cider vinegar will help restore your skin's natural ph balance, and lavender soothes sensitive skin.

--- Apparently Lavender is really good to mix with ACV .. every mixture I read with ACV I also see lavender.

Vinegar's Magic Website, also has info and uses for herbal remedies.

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I applied neat ACV and it made all my friends go away. :confused:

lol

Seriously tho, this stuff IS great! Red marks clearing fast! yay

V smelly tho.

Thank u smashinpumpkin! :clap:

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I applied neat ACV and it made all my friends go away. :confused:

lol

Seriously tho, this stuff IS great! Red marks clearing fast! yay

V smelly tho.

Thank u smashinpumpkin! :clap:

Your welcome :)

How long does it take for the ACV to work?

I noticed a significant difference withine 5 or 7 days! I have been using it for almost a month now and it is fantastic!

Tonight was the first night I noticed hardly any oil! I worked 5 -9 and usually my makeup wears off and I look really gross. Tonight none of that happened! My pores are smaller, far less oil so I hardly have to dab and that damn brown mark I have has significantly gotten lighter! I have tried everything for that damn brown mark to fade too!

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Can add a few aspirin in the Toner or make a toner with asprin in it separately. This asprin is essentially nothing but Salicylic Acid which is a Beta Hydroxy Acid (exfoliates skin), SA also dries up acne and can penetrate deeper into the pores unblocking clogged pores.

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It is closely related to salicylic acid but does NOT have the same mechanism of action as salicylic acid--aspirin, when applied topically, has both an anti-inflammatory and an anti-histamine effect (thereby reducing swelling, inflammation, and redness), while salicylic acid is a peeling agent.

I didn't particularly feel like reading the whole thread right this minute. I think Smashing has wonderful intentions but has erroneously and misleadingly changed the title of this thread to implicate that ACV is a "cure."

Thanks for the lovely thread, and much luck to those who pursue this treatment... I probably will myself once my active acne is gone...

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ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

why doesnt anyone post pics because on acne.org just about everything works and that's no exaggeration. You go here and green tea works, baking soda works, aspirin mask works, vitamin c works, aha lotion works, glycolic acid works etc.... it's not that i dont believe you guys but if everyone says this and that works it's hard to know the truth. Pics would help a lot if avaiable is all im saying.

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Can add a few aspirin in the Toner or make a toner with asprin in it separately. This asprin is essentially nothing but Salicylic Acid which is a Beta Hydroxy Acid (exfoliates skin), SA also dries up acne and can penetrate deeper into the pores unblocking clogged pores.

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It is closely related to salicylic acid but does NOT have the same mechanism of action as salicylic acid--aspirin, when applied topically, has both an anti-inflammatory and an anti-histamine effect (thereby reducing swelling, inflammation, and redness), while salicylic acid is a peeling agent.

I didn't particularly feel like reading the whole thread right this minute. I think Smashing has wonderful intentions but has erroneously and misleadingly changed the title of this thread to implicate that ACV is a "cure."

Thanks for the lovely thread, and much luck to those who pursue this treatment... I probably will myself once my active acne is gone...

I didn't change the title to make it sound like ACV is in fact a cure for acne, but if you have done enough reading like I have about this then ACV would sure sound like a cure for many things. In some cases yes it is a CURE for some people. Some people have found ACV to be their "cure" for headaches, others fatuge. This is my "cure" for red marks and oily skin. As it is for other people. As I have said in previous threads everone has their own cure, doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

Well alot of people ahve aquestions about this, some people don't bother reading the thread and just ask. Also, lots of people don't have digital cameras and without a scanner it is impossible to put any photos up here.

ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

why doesnt anyone post pics because on acne.org just about everything works and that's no exaggeration. You go here and green tea works, baking soda works, aspirin mask works, vitamin c works, aha lotion works, glycolic acid works etc.... it's not that i dont believe you guys but if everyone says this and that works it's hard to know the truth. Pics would help a lot if avaiable is all im saying.

True, but not everyone takes pictures of themselves everyday for the hell of it. Some people don't take pictures of their acne at all (like me) and then when someone does suddenly find something that signifantly improves thier acne well it is hard to have proof it worked, is it not? But I have found many resources that suggets this does work. How can you not believe something when their is evidence to prove it does. Maybe not pictures, but enough people have tried it and have found results. The only person I know who always took pictures of her face was Jessica (BonsaiJess) so she has pictures of what cleared her because she has the before and after but most people don't. Plus when I found this site I mostly had red marks and at the time a log didn't cross my mind.

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I didn't change the title to make it sound like ACV is in fact a cure for acne, but if you have done enough reading like I have about this then ACV would sure sound like a cure for many things. In some cases yes it is a CURE for some people. Some people have found ACV to be their "cure" for headaches, others fatuge. This is my "cure" for red marks and oily skin. As it is for other people. As I have said in previous threads everone has their own cure, doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

Okay, well I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "cure" as opposed to the phrase "effective treatment." Cure would imply that after a period of use, the disease or affliction would be erradicated and never return... Since the effects of ACV seem to be dependent upon one's committment to using it, and dissipate when one stops use of the product, one can hardly deem it a "cure" for anything... Sorry, that's all I'm saying... when you say "cure" it sounds evangelistic... something like "remarkable results" or "good solution" would be better.

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I didn't change the title to make it sound like ACV is in fact a cure for acne, but if you have done enough reading like I have about this then ACV would sure sound like a cure for many things. In some cases yes it is a CURE for some people. Some people have found ACV to be their "cure" for headaches, others fatuge. This is my "cure" for red marks and oily skin. As it is for other people. As I have said in previous threads everone has their own cure, doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

Okay, well I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "cure" as opposed to the phrase "effective treatment." Cure would imply that after a period of use, the disease or affliction would be erradicated and never return... Since the effects of ACV seem to be dependent upon one's committment to using it, and dissipate when one stops use of the product, one can hardly deem it a "cure" for anything... Sorry, that's all I'm saying... when you say "cure" it sounds evangelistic... something like "remarkable results" or "good solution" would be better.

If you do not like the name of the thread well then don't look at it or bother coming into this thread and reading it. So stop trying to correct me, just because I did not use the adjective that suits you. I suggest if you have a personal problem or soemthing that you don't like about this thread don't post in this thread PM me, IM me w/e. But no one wnats to read about what you think the title of the thread should be.

Maybe I am being harsh shmelis, but I think you are being unreasonable. To me this is a cure, and yes once my red marks are gone no I don't have to use this anymore, but I will because it brings the pH of the skin back to acidic. So I look at this as a cure, ok this is my own interpretation of a cure. Nothing that I know have has completely gotten rid of my red marks, so to me this is a cure. I don't think it is fair fo you to go into a threa dnad start critisizing other people's choice of words to make you look more intelligent.

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Can add a few aspirin in the Toner or make a toner with asprin in it separately. This asprin is essentially nothing but Salicylic Acid which is a Beta Hydroxy Acid (exfoliates skin), SA also dries up acne and can penetrate deeper into the pores unblocking clogged pores.

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It is closely related to salicylic acid but does NOT have the same mechanism of action as salicylic acid--aspirin, when applied topically, has both an anti-inflammatory and an anti-histamine effect (thereby reducing swelling, inflammation, and redness), while salicylic acid is a peeling agent.

I didn't particularly feel like reading the whole thread right this minute. I think Smashing has wonderful intentions but has erroneously and misleadingly changed the title of this thread to implicate that ACV is a "cure."

Thanks for the lovely thread, and much luck to those who pursue this treatment... I probably will myself once my active acne is gone...

I didn't change the title to make it sound like ACV is in fact a cure for acne, but if you have done enough reading like I have about this then ACV would sure sound like a cure for many things. In some cases yes it is a CURE for some people. Some people have found ACV to be their "cure" for headaches, others fatuge. This is my "cure" for red marks and oily skin. As it is for other people. As I have said in previous threads everone has their own cure, doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

Well alot of people ahve aquestions about this, some people don't bother reading the thread and just ask. Also, lots of people don't have digital cameras and without a scanner it is impossible to put any photos up here.

ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

why doesnt anyone post pics because on acne.org just about everything works and that's no exaggeration. You go here and green tea works, baking soda works, aspirin mask works, vitamin c works, aha lotion works, glycolic acid works etc.... it's not that i dont believe you guys but if everyone says this and that works it's hard to know the truth. Pics would help a lot if avaiable is all im saying.

True, but not everyone takes pictures of themselves everyday for the hell of it. Some people don't take pictures of their acne at all (like me) and then when someone does suddenly find something that signifantly improves thier acne well it is hard to have proof it worked, is it not? But I have found many resources that suggets this does work. How can you not believe something when their is evidence to prove it does. Maybe not pictures, but enough people have tried it and have found results. The only person I know who always took pictures of her face was Jessica (BonsaiJess) so she has pictures of what cleared her because she has the before and after but most people don't. Plus when I found this site I mostly had red marks and at the time a log didn't cross my mind.

well you dont necessarily have to take pics everyday. I started up a vbeam thread and I posted my pics everytime I got a treatment which was about every month. And people could SEE the improvement so that I didn't have to convince them it was working. I'm sure acv might work for some people but you asked me how can I not believe it doesn't work when there's so much evidence....well because I've tried it over and over again and I just don't see anything. It might be very gradual i guess...

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isnt acv an acid? how can it neutralize the skin back to it's ph balance? just does not sound correct

I know this is an old post, but if you've done chemistry in high school or whatever - you'll know that acetic acid is actually quite a weak acid. The pH of it is a lot closer to water's pH than most acids. I think that is why it has a neutralising effect while not reducing the pH too much to have a detrimental effect. Thats my crazy theory, but it sounds right!

Im gonna try this ACV thing starting next week, may as well try it before I try B5. Anyone had good results drinking the stuff?

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SmashingPumpkins,

I think your thread is great. I am a big fan of ACV and it is also a "cure" for me.

Ignore Shmelis, he/she is obviously just nit picking and trying to make an issue out of something silly. If they don't like the title, get outta the thread. People are not stupid. They will decide if they think it is a cure or not. Just cos the title says it is, doesn't mean it is set in stone!

ACV ROCKS! :dance:

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Thanks for the swift replies SmashingPumpkins and Spacebass! SP, I think the logic behind the baking soda AND the apple cider vinegar together was to balance out the skin's pH level. BS is basic, and ACV is acidic, so you need one to cancel the other out. I don't know if that is correct, but does it make sense?

Hey Baking soda isnt really basic - its sodium carbonate - the carbonate reacts with the "acid" part (Hydrogen ion) to produce carbon dioxide and water. Im not too sure what the pH of baking soda is though. Basic means having a hydroxide ion OH- (theres more to it than that - this is yr 11 chemistry). Baking soda will react with an acid but wont react with a base...

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isnt acv an acid? how can it neutralize the skin back to it's ph balance? just does not sound correct

I know this is an old post, but if you've done chemistry in high school or whatever - you'll know that acetic acid is actually quite a weak acid. The pH of it is a lot closer to water's pH than most acids. I think that is why it has a neutralising effect while not reducing the pH too much to have a detrimental effect. Thats my crazy theory, but it sounds right!

Im gonna try this ACV thing starting next week, may as well try it before I try B5. Anyone had good results drinking the stuff?

Our skin is acidic and mostly everything else we put on or faces is alkaline. Alkaline is where p.acnes and other bacteria love to live to using ACV will make your skin Acidic is acne will not and can't live.

SmashingPumpkins,

I think your thread is great. I am a big fan of ACV and it is also a "cure" for me.

Ignore Shmelis, he/she is obviously just nit picking and trying to make an issue out of something silly. If they don't like the title, get outta the thread. People are not stupid. They will decide if they think it is a cure or not. Just cos the title says it is, doesn't mean it is set in stone!

ACV ROCKS! :dance:

:D

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ok y doesnt anyone post results cause all ive been seeing are questions.

why doesnt anyone post pics because on acne.org just about everything works and that's no exaggeration. You go here and green tea works, baking soda works, aspirin mask works, vitamin c works, aha lotion works, glycolic acid works etc.... it's not that i dont believe you guys but if everyone says this and that works it's hard to know the truth. Pics would help a lot if avaiable is all im saying.

THAT IS SOOO TRUE!! everything works on acne.org!

Anyway thanks for the info smashing im going to try it soon, plus ill take pics - but I agree with some of the earlier posts that it doesnt look like you really suffer from acne - maybe just marks from before. Compared to someone with cystic or severe acne (eg. me) your skin looks perfect. Try having like 40 red marks on one cheek! Its not too cool!

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3 weeks before ACV

IPB Image

My chin now, wow look so different, alot better

IPB Image

my huge brown mark is fading :) and my red marks look like that now light pink because I put ACV in my face everyday!

IPB Image

Should have taken pix in the sunlight a long tine ago -- SEE I HAVE RED MARKS! mostly nose and chin, I forgot to take a pic of my nose. I will do that later. Once that brown mark fades then you will know this def. works because that Brown Mark has been on my face 6 months and it hardly got any lighter.

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Hi there ppl

Some more science to clear up I see....

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID).

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Hi there ppl

Some more science to clear up I see....

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID).

Salicylic acid IS found in aspirin, in the stabalised form, acetylsalicylic acid. And yes, it is also a NSAID.

Hey Baking soda isnt really basic - its sodium carbonate - the carbonate reacts with the "acid" part (Hydrogen ion) to produce carbon dioxide and water. Im not too sure what the pH of baking soda is though. Basic means having a hydroxide ion OH- (theres more to it than that - this is yr 11 chemistry). Baking soda will react with an acid but wont react with a base...

Baking Soda IS a base. It accepts H+ ions....the modern Bronsted definition of a base. The pH of sodium carbonate is about 8 to 9.....making it again, basic. Having a Hydroxy group (OH) is the (older) Arrhenius definition of a base, and is lesser used.

Last but not least, why does adding weak acid (ACV) to your face help?

Because, as it tends to be with us spotty people, we wash our faces alot and rid our skin of something called the 'acid mantle'. This is a natural protective layer of organic acid of about pH 5, which stops bacterial growth etc.

A 50% dilution of ACV is also roughly pH 5.....and wiping it on your skin recreates the acid mantle, giving you a protective layer again....temporarily.

I distinctly remember when i was younger that if i washed my face less, my skin would behave better.

TA! :D

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I'm a registered biomedical scientist in chemical pathology for the NHS in England.

Thank you for the info it was really helpful! Hopefulyl people understand that our skin dos have that acidic protective layer and as we get older that layer disappears but by bit making our skins more alkaline, so using ACV would give you that layer for a while, and protect your skin from bacteria.

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Hi there ppl

Some more science to clear up I see....

I'm SURE someone's already said that this is dead wrong and that aspirin is not salicylic acid... it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID).

Salicylic acid IS found in aspirin, in the stabalised form, acetylsalicylic acid. And yes, it is also a NSAID.

Hey Baking soda isnt really basic - its sodium carbonate - the carbonate reacts with the "acid" part (Hydrogen ion) to produce carbon dioxide and water. Im not too sure what the pH of baking soda is though. Basic means having a hydroxide ion OH- (theres more to it than that - this is yr 11 chemistry). Baking soda will react with an acid but wont react with a base...

Baking Soda IS a base. It accepts H+ ions....the modern Bronsted definition of a base. The pH of sodium carbonate is about 8 to 9.....making it again, basic. Having a Hydroxy group (OH) is the (older) Arrhenius definition of a base, and is lesser used.

Last but not least, why does adding weak acid (ACV) to your face help?

Because, as it tends to be with us spotty people, we wash our faces alot and rid our skin of something called the 'acid mantle'. This is a natural protective layer of organic acid of about pH 5, which stops bacterial growth etc.

A 50% dilution of ACV is also roughly pH 5.....and wiping it on your skin recreates the acid mantle, giving you a protective layer again....temporarily.

I distinctly remember when i was younger that if i washed my face less, my skin would behave better.

TA! :D

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I'm a registered biomedical scientist in chemical pathology for the NHS in England.

That's precise and clear information! Thanx a million :)

I know I should've paid better attention in physics class.. :wacko: Jaysus, even my final exam subject was "Acids and Bases"... But hey, that's 20 years ago.. :lol:

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