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is there hope for me?

hi there.

i'm new to this forum and would like to know if there is any hope for me. i've attached some pictures taken in the harshest lighting. can anyone tell me what type of scars these are? they are very shallow (cannot be felt) but look horrible in downlighting.

i have a consultation with a derm aug 7. i am considering a tca or obagi peel. any suggestions?

thanks for your time.

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i realize that my scarring is fairly mild but i desperately need help. i feel as though i'm delusional because sometimes my face looks fine while other times it is hideous.

i have a history of OCD in my family and really need to know if this is just all in my head. my husband says there is nothing wrong with my face but all i see are the flaws.

i had co2 laser about 7 years ago to remove some chickenpox scar and it over-stimulated my subaceous glands. i went form good skin to major acne within 2 months. now i get the occassional pre-period zit but the scarring has me very self-conscious.

i've been quite impressed with the level of caring i've witnessed in this forum...please help!

i've attached 2 more pics that i hope capture the degree of scarring i have.

thank you.

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You have very, very minor scarring at best. I don't know if I would even call it scarring. Just some rough patches.

I do understand though that if you OCD, or are depressed, you will look in the mirror and zero in on any flaws, magnifying them out of proportion.

I have been around the block on this issue myself. I have scarring I think sometimes is very bad, but others literally laugh at me when I point it out, saying they see nothing. Or they see something, but it is so minor they never noticed it till I pointed it out.

I guarentee this is the case with you. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. Good luck,

James

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thank you james.

i currently see a therapist. things are usually up and down for me. i have suffered from an eating disorder in the past (modeled from age 9-20). i know that has warped me to some degree.

what treatments have you tried? what do you think i should pursue?

thanks for caring enough to respond.

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Hi there!

I kinda have similar scarring (check out my gallery). I totally understand...I look in the mirror all the time as if it would all the sudden magically go away. I always think people are looking at it! But most of the time, I have to point it out for them to see it.

I don't know what to do about it. I have had microderm, retin a, and now I am on accutane (I still have acne and oily skin). The microderm seemed to help and I think the retin a helped even more so (and was cheaper, but took longer).

My derm is a cosmetic surgeon and I asked him what could be done about the scars. He said that the accutane would improve my scars (fyi-many on here disagree that accutane will help with scarring, but I think it has to do with this paticular type of scarring). Then, after the 6 month waiting period he would discuss it with me then.

I have a couple of indents (chicken pox and ance scars) that I think I might try needling after my waiting period post accutane.

I am weary about peels because they say that it can make your pores larger and one of my friends is scarred up from a peel.

Have you ever tried retin a (micro)? It really does help!

HTH...keep me posted if you figure anything out.

K

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It looks like scarred pores.

It does look like scarred pores but also some inflammation still. I would be careful about strong pills, maybe just see how your skin reacts to a retinoid or try some other non-irritating products for scars. I wouldn't try the tca peel as that can cause bigger pores and you don't look bad enough to risk it. This might sound silly but when I was healing from acne and had big pores because they had been clogged and irritated, I put an egg yolk mask on every other day and it really made them look better! I think you should start with smaller things first and then see how your skin improves. There are a lot of primers out there which would probably really help you cover the pores before applying makeup. Overall you don't look bad but I realize you want your old skin back like us all!

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As far as feeling delusional...

Scarring that looks hideous in some lighting can look like nothing in other lighting. Since we're routinely in both good lighting and bad lighting each day, you have to accept the fact that other people are routinely seeing both the best and the worst of your scarring, not one or the other. If you start thinking it's one or the other because you've seen yourself in the same lighting 10 times in a row and then are surprised when you catch a glimpse of yourself in other lighting, then you'll feel like your going insane. That's the way it is with acne scars.

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hi there.

i'm new to this forum and would like to know if there is any hope for me. i've attached some pictures taken in the harshest lighting. can anyone tell me what type of scars these are? they are very shallow (cannot be felt) but look horrible in downlighting.

i have a consultation with a derm aug 7. i am considering a tca or obagi peel. any suggestions?

thanks for your time.

There is nothing. You are over-sensitive. Perhaps a psychiatrist will solve your mental problems of having too much imagination

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As far as feeling delusional...

Scarring that looks hideous in some lighting can look like nothing in other lighting. Since we're routinely in both good lighting and bad lighting each day, you have to accept the fact that other people are routinely seeing both the best and the worst of your scarring, not one or the other. If you start thinking it's one or the other because you've seen yourself in the same lighting 10 times in a row and then are surprised when you catch a glimpse of yourself in other lighting, then you'll feel like your going insane. That's the way it is with acne scars.

Very well put. I couldn't agree more. This is what others who say they see nothing on my face don't really understand ( nor doctors when they look at you under those whitewashed office lights).

I guess I should point out the scars in the most unflattering angular lighting possible. And doctors should use a strobe light when looking at your face.

James

thank you james.

i currently see a therapist. things are usually up and down for me. i have suffered from an eating disorder in the past (modeled from age 9-20). i know that has warped me to some degree.

what treatments have you tried? what do you think i should pursue?

thanks for caring enough to respond.

I have had very good luck with needling. I only have a few boxcar type scars, moderate depth. Per the usual story, they are not visible under most circumstances. But when indirect lighting, or shadows bounce off them they look like crap.

Anyway I have been needling them for three months. I have had very good improvement thus far.

You scars (very minor at best) might be scarred pores as others here have mentioned. I am not sure how needling would work on them. I assume, but might be wrong, that needling would help them as much as it has helped my boxcar scars. You might want to test needling on just one or two scars before going all out.

I would stay away from any type of acid based facial products, including retin a, peels, glycolics, etc. For me they thinned out my skin. In the long run they made my scarring actually look worse. I am also starting to hear this from more people lately.

James

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No, you're not crazy. What matters is what YOU see, not what you THINK others MIGHT see & not even what they TELL you they see (or don't, for that matter). If you do have a cognitive disorder like BDD, then a therapist can help your mind's eye (which the lense you see through, however distorted) see clearly. I really can't detect any scarring, but your cheeks look a bit irritated. Before you try a major peel like Obagi, do a milder one to see how your skin responds. Also, before you decide on any big treatment make sure your therapist is on board with it b/c sometimes people are too vulnerable to undergo big procedures & the aftermath of a possible long downtime and healing stage can be quite a beating psychologically. Get in a good (i.e. realistic) place mentally before you make any huge plans. You are VERY pretty even in that harsh light. When you start feeling better, you'll see more of that natural beauty too & not concentrate so much on your minor perceived flaws.

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Yes, that's how it is with shallow acne scars. In most lights it is invisible, but under harsh, spotlight-type lighting or sunlight at an angle you might feel like your face is totally disfigured.

I sympathise and hope you find your solution. For such shallow scars, it won't be too hard to make your skin look pretty nice.

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WOW. I personally cant find anything really wrong with your face, especially scarring. It looks like your pores are just too big, and they seem like scars. Try a toner, and maybe you should get a microdermabrasion procedure, or just buy an at home microdermabrasion.

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thank you to those of you who are supportive. thank you for not judging me. it really means alot.

i realize there are people on this forum who probably have worse scarring and i am sorry. please know that i will try to be as supportive as i can. i do not see the benefit in berating others and putting them down.

...as for the "inflamation", i have been using the obagi skincare line which contains retin a. this has made my skin a little pink. it has calmed down quite a bit. my goal is to get to the point where i am comfortable not wearing powder.

for women looking for good coverage (that is not heavy), try MAC studio fix powder or Chanel duel tint. it gives a beautiful finish and has been my security blanket for 8 years.

good luck to all and have a beautiful day.

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First of all you are not crazy and yes you do have some minor scars and enlarged pores. Secondly, you are beautiful regardless but I understand how you feel. Most people that dont have scars could care less because its not there face; People that have worse scarring think you are rediculous because their situation is worse. Regardless of how minor your scars are it is still difficult to have any sort of flaws on your face, especially when you are use to feeling beautiful. I took accutane and it did improve the appearance of my scars. I also used a combination of SA 2%, Vitamin K cream, and Retin A which helped smooth things over. My face is still flawed but it is so much better than it was a few years ago. I understand how you feel. I thought I would never feel comfortable and confident in public again. Although im not were I use to be pre-acne scars, I have regained a large amount of self-esteem. I would say to finish your course of Accutane and see where you are then. During the 6 months-1 year following Accutane treatment, try a few topical treatments like retina, vitamin K, E, or A lotions, or your chosen solution. There are many options, some work, others dont. I think all skin responds different. I do think that my skin was more responsive to over the counter treatments post accutane. Prior to taking it, nothing seemed to work. After 1 year of accutane, if you are still unhappy with your skin, talk to a dermatological surgeon about other options. I hope you feel better. Try to just enjoy yourself and realize that there are options and in te future you can seek them.

thank you to those of you who are supportive. thank you for not judging me. it really means alot.

i realize there are people on this forum who probably have worse scarring and i am sorry. please know that i will try to be as supportive as i can. i do not see the benefit in berating others and putting them down.

...as for the "inflamation", i have been using the obagi skincare line which contains retin a. this has made my skin a little pink. it has calmed down quite a bit. my goal is to get to the point where i am comfortable not wearing powder.

for women looking for good coverage (that is not heavy), try MAC studio fix powder or Chanel duel tint. it gives a beautiful finish and has been my security blanket for 8 years.

good luck to all and have a beautiful day.

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There is nothing....

You all are exaggerating!!!

shut up if you don't have anything positive to say!

putty13, your skin is gorgeous, but of course, there's room impovement most definetely, but it's nothing big, very minor. good luck.

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you sound more that you are looking for acceptance and a place where people understand. It comes across that you somehow feel flawed even though externally you are far above the average person looks-wise.

As a few have suggested, this issue you have with your skin seems to run deep and seems to be more pyschological than physical.

Instead of seeking any skin revision, at least for now, please continue your work with your therapist and address this issue and mention the fact you saught advice here. I have no idea how long you have been seeing a therapist for but i hope its a good psychologist who will help you try get to the heart of the matter with time and work on your part.

I admit that when i saw your photos i had to grit my teeth for all i saw was a beautiful young women with enviable skin (to me), but of course thats my own self issues playing on me. You sound like a lovely person that needs reassurance about yourself and (I may be wrong here) but even if you had the most flawless skin you may have the same internal issues and project them onto another part of your anatomy.

Take on board the love of the people around you, work with your therapist, tackle this emotionally and then at the end when you feel stronger inside review your appearance. You may find you are no longer effected by what you see in the mirror because you no longer view it as a problem.

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I may make some insensitive remarks, but please know they are intended to be helpful.

I have experience with eating disorders in my family. Are you anorexic or bulimic, or a combination? Excessive exercise? Partially or fully recovered? I am sure you know how harmful these diseases are.

I hope you are recovered and please excuse the lecture, but this issue dwarfs your mild scarring by a factor of 1 million. These disorders will cause you a life of misery and serious health problems, which will only compound your depression. Please be on antidepressants and in therapy.

At the risk of being jerk, I will give you my that the vast majority opininion of men prefer curves to a hard flat body. It is my belief that the media fascination with being thin is a female promoted ideal, that men generally don't like.

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i realize that my scarring is fairly mild but i desperately need help. i feel as though i'm delusional because sometimes my face looks fine while other times it is hideous.

i have a history of OCD in my family and really need to know if this is just all in my head. my husband says there is nothing wrong with my face but all i see are the flaws.

You really have nice skin compared to many people. But I completely understand that it doesn't matter what anyone says, you see the flaws in the most negative light and feel like everyone else can too.

I have shallow scarring (worse than yours but not deep)...I developed the scarring a year and a half ago and then about 8 months ago developed severe anxiety and started having panic attacks. I would alternate either looking in the mirror every five minutes or not looking in a mirror at all because it would trigger a panic attack.

I also became borderline agoraphobic and would not leave the house except for work. I was diagnosed with OCD, BDD and an anxiety disorder and now take medication to control the panic attacks. I also go to therapy to deal with my 'perfection' issues that run far deeper than just my skin.

I am having Fraxel treatments now for my skin, but am concentrating very hard on accepting that my skin will never be perfect. That is almost more important to me than how successful the treatments are. I agree with others who have said you should be seeing someone in the mental health field, but I would recommend a specialist who treats eating disorders/OCD/Anxiety. Those conditions are usually very closely related and if you've been treated for one, it's very likely you may have developed another.

Also, you might want to check out a forum for body dysmorphic disorders. I guarantee you will find a ton of support there. http://www.psychforums.com/viewforum.php?f=228

Unfortunately, there are always a few people on these particular forums who spend way too much time posting negative comments about situations that they have no insight about.

I wish you tons of luck!! :)

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You have beautiful skin. It really does look lovely in those pictures, at least to me. I realize that you don't think so, and that's okay, but I hope it changes. Acne is hard on the mind as well as the body. Good luck!

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At the risk of being jerk, I will give you my that the vast majority opininion of men prefer curves to a hard flat body. It is my belief that the media fascination with being thin is a female promoted ideal, that men generally don't like.

I couldn't agree anymore!! and also at the risk of being jerk I have to say that I have so many friends from all walks of life and there is something we have in common: We prefer 100X times women with curves. Most men don't like bones. Men love to watch, admire and worship God's most perfect creation: A woman's body. But of course, we must always respect them. Have you ever wondered why brazilian beaches are a guy's paradise?? 'cause men find more curves there than any other places. I've been there and I have no words to describe it. It was amazing! What about Rio de Janeiro Carnival?? hundreds of thousands of men from all over the world go there every year only to admire hot (curvy) bodies.

I also agree that the whole concept of being thin is a female promoted ideal. Something similar happens to guys. Some men think that the size of their virile member determines how masculine they are. And that's totally untrue. However, there are many men who have seroius complex about it and they have even done stupid things to increase the size of it. Doesn't it sound very stupid to you ladies??

Ladies, have you ever told a guy that he has to have a big member to be hot????? and I guarantee you that you are never going to hear from a guy that in order to be hot you have to be flat and bony.

All the extremes are bad. We have to keep a balance. Obesity isn't good either and NOT FOR COSMETIC REASONG, but health related complications.

Sorry, I know it's off the topic, but I think it may help you in some way.

" BONES ARE FOR DOGS, MEAT IS FOR MEN"

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At the risk of being jerk, I will give you my that the vast majority opininion of men prefer curves to a hard flat body. It is my belief that the media fascination with being thin is a female promoted ideal, that men generally don't like.

I couldn't agree anymore!! and also at the risk of being jerk I have to say that I have so many friends from all walks of life and there is something we have in common: We prefer 100X times women with curves. Most of us don't like bones. Men love to watch, admire and worship God's most perfect creation: a woman's body. That's how we are and I don't think we're ever gonna change. But of course, we must always respect them.

Have you ever wondered why brazilian beaches are a guy's paradise?? 'cause men find more curves there than any other places. I've been there and I have no words to describe it. It was amazing! What about Rio de Janeiro Carnival?? hundreds of thousands of men from all over the world go there every year only to admire hot (curvy) bodies.

I also agree that the whole concept of being thin is a female promoted ideal. Something similar happens to guys. Some men think that the size of their virile member determines how masculine they are. And that's totally untrue. However, there are many men who have seroius complex about it and they have even done stupid things to increase the size of it. Doesn't it sound very stupid to you ladies?? Ladies, have you ever told a guy that he has to have a big member to be hot????? and I guarantee you that you are never going to hear from a guy that in order to be hot you have to be flat and bony.

I think all extremes are bad. There has to be a balance. Obesity isn't good either, ( NOT FOR COSMETIC REASONS but health related complications.

Sorry, I know it's off the topic, but I think it may help you in some way.

" BONES ARE FOR DOGS, MEAT IS FOR MEN"

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i have skin kind of like hers, but a camera doesn't capture how bad it looks in reality.

if i posted pics of my skin, people would probably think im crazy and tell me im paranoid, but the severity of my scarring really does not show up in pics, just in real life -- anyone ever looked at their skin outside in a mirror on a cloudy day? it sucks.

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thank you all so much for your valuable insight.

i will definitely consult with my therapist on any skin issues before pursuing treatment. as for the moment, i am still using the obagi nuderm system and it is working fairly well. when i see the derm in 2 weeks i will probably ask about a higher concentration of retin a.

the obagi seems to be pully all sorts of impurities out of my skin. i've developed several tiny bumps in various places. they seem to be little blackhead trapped just below the surface. hopefully as i go through another skin cycle they will surface and go away.

has anyone here had any luck with retin a and shallow scarring?

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