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If you get quail eggs or duck eggs, the egg whites don't have Avidin (the protein in egg whites that many people have issues with.) 

 

You can purchase quail or duck eggs in Asian/Indian groceries. You might be able to find them in health food stores, but I've never personally seen them. The only place I've been able to get them is an Asian market. 

 

 

First of all, don't react so severely to just 1 pimple. You could potentially be causing your child self-esteem issues. 

 

Although I do think it's best to remove junk food from your child's diet, you don't want to do it in a manner that will cause them to rebel. I wish you luck. It's good that you're nipping this in the bud early.

I know this thread was started in regards to whether or not humans were designed to eat meat and...i'm not touching that with a 100 foot pole.  But the real issue in this country is most people eat a main course of meat with a side of vegetables, if they even have vegetables.  And it should be the other way around.

I haven't yet completely eliminated meat, but I eat it maybe a couple times a week and in a very small portion.  I'm wondering if there is anything offered in meat that can't be found via other sources of nutrition. Can't you find adequate proteins and fats in vegetables/seeds?  And aren't they healthier fats/proteins anyway? I think you'd need to be aware of how to compensate adequately of course. These are mostly rhetorical questions, but i'm honestly interested if someone has a stat that shows a vital nutrient, of which we need in order to survive, that can't be found anywhere except for meat

Also let's not forget eggs. They come from an animal, but aren't meat.  I eat a good deal of raw eggs, and have recently switched to eating only the yolks raw and egg whites lightly poached. I guess the egg whites have an anti-nutrient that is destroyed at around 120 degrees, so that's the reason for poaching them.  But anyway, for anyone who has tried a vegetarian diet and felt worse on it, were you getting the same amount of fats and proteins through vegetables while on it?  Also you'd think there would be a period where you did feel worse, because your body is adjusting to the new diet, and that adjustment period could be different from person to person.  And if you are eating a very small amount of meat anyway, and then switch to a vegetarian diet...i'm wondering why this would cause anyone to feel worse.  I don't think it's a drastic enough of an adjustment to cause any real physical or mental strain.  Just some things to think about when considering eliminating meat (which again, i still haven't done completely)

there is nothing in meat that you cant get in a plant based diet.  the protein in meat is not as optimal as raw plant based proteins, why you ask.  they are quickly digested and assimilated into the blood.  unlike plant based protein, animal protein has to be broken down, anything cooked that gets denatured has to be broken down, this takes energy from your body to create new enzymes to do this process.  as the enzymes go to work it takes much longer, in raw plants the food already contains the protein as enzymes and amino acids, they are already broken down, your body saves energy and does not have to create new enzymes to break them down.  hemp seeds (protein powder), chia seeds, yellow pea protein, and brown rice protein is where its at.  you can eat these raw (rice sprouted) or you can get them in easily to use protein powders.

eggs arent terrible, they do however contain more cholesterol than one would think.

Are chicken eggs good or bad for my cholesterol?

Answer

from Thomas Behrenbeck, M.D., Ph.D.

Chicken eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to high blood cholesterol levels. However, how much the cholesterol in your diet can increase your blood cholesterol varies from person to person. Although eating too many eggs can increase your cholesterol, eating four egg yolks or fewer on a weekly basis hasn't been found to increase your risk of heart disease.
When deciding whether to include eggs in your diet, consider the recommended daily limits on cholesterol in your food:

• If you are healthy, it's recommended that you limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 300 milligrams (mg) a day.
• If you have cardiovascular disease, diabetes or a high low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") blood cholesterol level, you should limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 200 mg a day.

One large egg has about 186 mg of cholesterol — all of which is found in the yolk. Therefore, if you eat an egg on a given day, it's important to limit other sources of cholesterol for the rest of that day. Consider substituting servings of vegetables for servings of meat, or avoid high-fat dairy products for that day.

Eggs don't affect cholesterol levels negatively. That's not how you get high cholesterol.

You can't get Vitamin A from plants.
Or cholesterol (this is a nutrient. It's found all over your body.)
Or saturated fat (most of the fat in your body is saturated. A small amount is MUFA. A negligible amount is PUFA.)
Omega-3s (ALA isn't useful to anyone except VERY healthy females. And even then, seafood will always be superior.)
Or easily absorbed protein.
Or CLA (found in grass-fed butter and meats.)
Or Beta-Alanine.
Or Carnosine.
Zinc in significant amounts is also not found in plant foods.
Heme-Iron
Or Creatine.
Or B12.
Carnitine exists in some plants, but in negligible amounts. animal foods are the only viable sources of carnitine.

I'm sure I'm missing some stuff.

Animal protein is superior. You measure protein absorption through bioavailability, not some mumbo jumbo psuedoscience raw enzyme wizard. Bioavailability states that animal proteins are easier absorbed than plant protein.  

Life is death. Life springs from death, everywhere and always. You cannot live without something dying to make it all possible. Grain heavy vegan diets require the destruction of ecosystems and all their inhabitants; meat heavy Primal diets require the slaughter of a pig or a cow. If you’re going to exist in this world, you have to accept the fact that things will die. Oh, and things won’t just die; they’ll die to ensure your survival. You, me, all of us have blood on our hands. Your pets have blood on their paws.

Right, but the difference is animals have brains, whereas plants don't.  Plants regrow, and animals reproduce.  But again, the difference is that what raw foodists/vegetarians eat can be replenished through farming and in nature without taking the life of a conscious being. It's one of the beautiful things that happen on this earth, concerning vegetation and it's ability to regrow.  

As for the studies and or opinions, this could go back and forth all day.  Again, what is the vital nutrient that can only be found in meat that we need in order to survive?  I'm not trying to push anyone into a raw food diet.  If you eat meat in moderation, i'm confident you will be just fine.  It's all about your life habits and balancing what you eat.  But if there is no need to eat meat, because you can find what you need through plant based foods, i'm not going to do it.  I've felt much healthier since limiting my meat intake to almost nil, and am anxious to see the results of completely replacing it with other nutrient dense, plant based foods

Vegetarianism encourages agricultural biocide and stripping the land of all life. It also encourages world hunger.
If you want to stop world hunger, stop buying subsidized crops and CAFO meat and buy only grass-fed.

thanks for your opinion on the matter, although i highly disagree with everything you just stated, it is out there.  all sides of the argument, search it and youll find anything.  check out horticulture, not even water is needed to grow plants, its called compost, plants can actually thrive on their own compost, no stripping of the land is needed.  i have been using my juicing compost as plant feed and they have thrived for years off of it. there is no offsets.

as far as your nutrition from plants is concerned, i guess monks are all poor in health and die from all those deficiencies every year....poor monks...

biocide is really a matter of population, growth, and DEFORESTATION, carbon cycle much?  nitrogen cycle much?  phosphorus cycle much?  learn a few things before you jump on a band wagon.

You're completely free to disagree and watch your health decline gradually. I don't care to convert anyone to a whole foods diet if they would prefer to remain willingly ignorant of basic nutritional facts. However, there are certain things you can't dispute in this world because they are facts, not a matter of opinion. The color red will always be the color red, and even when you look at it in different lighting, it may look different, but it's still always red. N=1.
Plant foods are lacking in full nutrition. Please don't mislead those trying to fix their acne.

If you disagree with what I said, offer up some evidence to the contrary (not from raw vegan websites that are trying to make you pay for membership costs/supplements.) Can you show me a plant with Vitamin A (not beta carotene) or creatine or significant quantities of zinc/b12/cholesterol/etc. everything I listed?

The only plant you could show me that might contradict what I said is 'coconut,' which is the most saturated fat on this planet (it's obvious why coconut is also the healthiest fruit on the planet too, because of the saturated fat.)
There are also plants with phytosterols such as 'saw palmetto,' which is like the plant equivalent of cholesterol (but we're not plants.) Some plants have a membrane made of negligible amounts of cholesterol. My point still stands.

If you took 5 seconds to read the scientific literature, you'd realize that no way in hell were people designed to be vegans. Veganism is a starvation diet and even the SAD-promoting government (not just the US government) realizes that feeding a child a vegan diet = child abuse.

These are not my opinions, these are facts. And most of it is common sense too.

A degree does not ensure you understand human nutrition, or human biology or even human anatomy (so many people who are otherwise knowledgable in nutrition or biology don't understand how the human body is laid out and the function of basic organs. There's lots of saturated fat around your heart for example, this is not a bad thing and it's supposed to be there.) If you build a house on a shaky foundation, it will collapse.

I know this thread was started in regards to whether or not humans were designed to eat meat and...i'm not touching that with a 100 foot pole.  But the real issue in this country is most people eat a main course of meat with a side of vegetables, if they even have vegetables.  And it should be the other way around.

I haven't yet completely eliminated meat, but I eat it maybe a couple times a week and in a very small portion.  I'm wondering if there is anything offered in meat that can't be found via other sources of nutrition. Can't you find adequate proteins and fats in vegetables/seeds?  And aren't they healthier fats/proteins anyway? I think you'd need to be aware of how to compensate adequately of course. These are mostly rhetorical questions, but i'm honestly interested if someone has a stat that shows a vital nutrient, of which we need in order to survive, that can't be found anywhere except for meat

Also let's not forget eggs. They come from an animal, but aren't meat.  I eat a good deal of raw eggs, and have recently switched to eating only the yolks raw and egg whites lightly poached. I guess the egg whites have an anti-nutrient that is destroyed at around 120 degrees, so that's the reason for poaching them.  But anyway, for anyone who has tried a vegetarian diet and felt worse on it, were you getting the same amount of fats and proteins through vegetables while on it?  Also you'd think there would be a period where you did feel worse, because your body is adjusting to the new diet, and that adjustment period could be different from person to person.  And if you are eating a very small amount of meat anyway, and then switch to a vegetarian diet...i'm wondering why this would cause anyone to feel worse.  I don't think it's a drastic enough of an adjustment to cause any real physical or mental strain.  Just some things to think about when considering eliminating meat (which again, i still haven't done completely)

there is nothing in meat that you cant get in a plant based diet.  the protein in meat is not as optimal as raw plant based proteins, why you ask.  they are quickly digested and assimilated into the blood.  unlike plant based protein, animal protein has to be broken down, anything cooked that gets denatured has to be broken down, this takes energy from your body to create new enzymes to do this process.  as the enzymes go to work it takes much longer, in raw plants the food already contains the protein as enzymes and amino acids, they are already broken down, your body saves energy and does not have to create new enzymes to break them down.  hemp seeds (protein powder), chia seeds, yellow pea protein, and brown rice protein is where its at.  you can eat these raw (rice sprouted) or you can get them in easily to use protein powders.

eggs arent terrible, they do however contain more cholesterol than one would think.

Are chicken eggs good or bad for my cholesterol?

Answer

from Thomas Behrenbeck, M.D., Ph.D.

Chicken eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to high blood cholesterol levels. However, how much the cholesterol in your diet can increase your blood cholesterol varies from person to person. Although eating too many eggs can increase your cholesterol, eating four egg yolks or fewer on a weekly basis hasn't been found to increase your risk of heart disease.
When deciding whether to include eggs in your diet, consider the recommended daily limits on cholesterol in your food:

• If you are healthy, it's recommended that you limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 300 milligrams (mg) a day.
• If you have cardiovascular disease, diabetes or a high low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") blood cholesterol level, you should limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 200 mg a day.

One large egg has about 186 mg of cholesterol — all of which is found in the yolk. Therefore, if you eat an egg on a given day, it's important to limit other sources of cholesterol for the rest of that day. Consider substituting servings of vegetables for servings of meat, or avoid high-fat dairy products for that day.

Eggs don't affect cholesterol levels negatively. That's not how you get high cholesterol.

You can't get Vitamin A from plants.
Or cholesterol (this is a nutrient. It's found all over your body.)
Or saturated fat (most of the fat in your body is saturated. A small amount is MUFA. A negligible amount is PUFA.)
Omega-3s (ALA isn't useful to anyone except VERY healthy females. And even then, seafood will always be superior.)
Or easily absorbed protein.
Or CLA (found in grass-fed butter and meats.)
Or Beta-Alanine.
Or Carnosine.
Zinc in significant amounts is also not found in plant foods.
Heme-Iron
Or Creatine.
Or B12.
Carnitine exists in some plants, but in negligible amounts. animal foods are the only viable sources of carnitine.

I'm sure I'm missing some stuff.

Animal protein is superior. You measure protein absorption through bioavailability, not some mumbo jumbo psuedoscience raw enzyme wizard. Bioavailability states that animal proteins are easier absorbed than plant protein.  

Life is death. Life springs from death, everywhere and always. You cannot live without something dying to make it all possible. Grain heavy vegan diets require the destruction of ecosystems and all their inhabitants; meat heavy Primal diets require the slaughter of a pig or a cow. If you’re going to exist in this world, you have to accept the fact that things will die. Oh, and things won’t just die; they’ll die to ensure your survival. You, me, all of us have blood on our hands. Your pets have blood on their paws.

Right, but the difference is animals have brains, whereas plants don't.  Plants regrow, and animals reproduce.  But again, the difference is that what raw foodists/vegetarians eat can be replenished through farming and in nature without taking the life of a conscious being. It's one of the beautiful things that happen on this earth, concerning vegetation and it's ability to regrow.  

As for the studies and or opinions, this could go back and forth all day.  Again, what is the vital nutrient that can only be found in meat that we need in order to survive?  I'm not trying to push anyone into a raw food diet.  If you eat meat in moderation, i'm confident you will be just fine.  It's all about your life habits and balancing what you eat.  But if there is no need to eat meat, because you can find what you need through plant based foods, i'm not going to do it.  I've felt much healthier since limiting my meat intake to almost nil, and am anxious to see the results of completely replacing it with other nutrient dense, plant based foods

Vegetarianism encourages agricultural biocide and stripping the land of all life. It also encourages world hunger.
If you want to stop world hunger, stop buying subsidized crops and CAFO meat and buy only grass-fed.

grains are new to the human lifestyle, its only been in use for about 10000 years, before that cooked grains didnt happen...the diet was fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, fish/little meat

Oh ok, so you agree that humans evolved to eat fish and meat. Glad to see you finally saw the light of a whole foods diet.

NO!! Humans aren't designed to eat meat. Look at your teeth and compare it to meat eaters and plant eaters, now, what our teeth looks like?  If you said herbivore, correct.
Also, why humans are getting heart-attack from eating  animals-product and other diseases and cancers?  Those who said that human are designed to eat meats need to learn more...   Try eating raw meats.... you'll get sick and die eventually.   I have lots of vegan friends on FB and most of them cured and reversed  their symptoms, diseases, and even cancer by going vegan. They also look much younger, etc..

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I'm looking at my teeth right now and I see omnivore teeth. Not carnivore, and definitely not herbivore.
If you want to nitpick, our intestinal tract is a good indicator that we're closer to carnivores than we are herbivores. Prove me wrong.

I've asked you several times to show me one study where healthy meat is linked to heart attacks and diseases when NOT combined with a SAD/high carb diet. Just one study.

The ONLY reason veganism might cure cancer is because veganism is a starvation diet. It's a diet devoid of many nutrients and there's nothing particularly special about cancer cells - they require nutrients too.

First, you should know that the food pyramid is a joke. It has NOTHING to do with health and the people who designed it do NOT have your best interest at heart. Not even a little bit. So just throw that worry out the window.

Re: Carbs. Plenty of fruits and vegetables have carbs. If you eat a balanced paleo diet you will be getting complete nutrition.

Also, sometimes when we go on a healthier diet or detox plan, it shocks our body a bit and we lose weight. This isn't true for everyone, but it has been true for me in the past. I've found that sometimes after your body "settles in" to your new diet, your weight balances again.

Adding on to this, most healthy diets will balance your weight. If you're underweight, you may find yourself gaining weight (even if you don't want to) and if you're overweight, you will find yourself losing weight. Eventually these things stabilize. I've been in the same 3 pound range for over a year now. My weight doesn't really fluctuate.

Paleo is not safe if it includes animal-products and lack of fruits/veggies..  I agreed with the post above, don't follow the food pyramid unless it is by Dr.Fuhrman.

Try 80% carbs (mainly from veggies/fruits) 10% fats (Raw nuts/seeds, little bit of oils (healthy ones)   and 10% protein ( Didn't you know that Broccoli contains more protein than steak? Also, most calories from greens is protein, but yeah, you can get more protein from legumes.

If your "paleo" diet does not include animal products, it's not paleo. It's veganism, which is a starvation diet.  


That's the silliest thing I've heard in the past 24 hours. Please stop misleading people.

Broccoli does not have more protein than steak. Why? Because eating 100 grams of steak is much easier than eating 100 grams of leaves. Protein amounts of broccoli are gotten by measuring the nutrients in not just the bushy crunchy head of the plant, but also the leaves and stalk. Broccoli protein/nutrient total= stalk+head+leaves. Most people don't eat the entire stalk and throw away the leaves.

100g steak = 35g protein
100g broccoli = less than 3g protein

200 calories worth of steak = 35g protein
200 calories worth of broccoli = 18g protein

Forget the math though for a second. Even IF brococli had more protein than steak, which it doesn't, plant protein is shit and not easily absorbed, whereas protein from egg whites, whey and meat is quite easily absorbed. Plant foods have their use, but it's not for their meager protein content. The only decent source of plant protein is soy and soy is allergenic and a crap food, so nobody should be consuming soy protein. Natto is fine.

I also lost my hair and sex drive, but that was more likely because I was so hungry all the time on low carb.

Are you kidding, what were you eating?

Low carb actually restored my hair, it was lifeless and receeding and it all grew back when I got rid of carbs. I didn't even think that was possible.

It can happen if someone is low-carb AND deficient in magnesium.

I've seen that video before. Bodybuilding does not equate to health btw. Do YOU look like that with your raw vegan diet? Probably not.  Most raw vegans are either average weight or horribly underweight/"skinny fat" like Freelea (who has obvious signs of muscle loss) and Durianrider who looks sickly.

There's plenty of bodybuilders that eat all manner of strange diets from positive nitrogen balance diets (EXTREMELY high protein) to raw veganism. I'm not sure what this video is supposed to prove. Why are you still trying to push raw veganism on people who just want to eat a healthy but satisfying diet? Last I saw, you were saying that raw veganism was difficult for you and you were going back on cooked foods. A bit hypocritical, don't you think?Raw veganism is not sustainable or plausible for a long period of time for the large majority of society. Whole foods > raw veganism.

Wade Lightheart has got some obvious male pattern baldness going on too. Most 811 vegans I've spoken to note supposedly miraculous changes in their hair. Why didn't it help him?

There's plenty of high-calorie food that actually has nutrition in it. Nuts/seeds/Potatoes/sweet potatoes/avocados/coconuts/fruit/lard/butter/bone marrow/squash/beets are all calorie-dense healthy foods.

Yes, you are better off eating such foods than you are by replacing your wheat based empty calorie processed food with some other grain based empty calorie processed food.  cheaper, too. Sweet potatoes are great for breakfast.  And if you really want a cereal like thing I soak overnight and cook buckwheat with spices then mix with nearly equal parts dried coconut and some dried fruit, then have with  sprouted sunflower seeds and some chopped fresh fruit.  You can make enough for several days at a time.  No milk or milk substitute needed. It also doesn't take long for the sunflower seed to sprout.

why would you recommend dried anything?  it takes water out of your body when you consume dried or cooked foods.  why not recommend foods that actually puts water into the body?

You act as if someone is going to dehydrate overnight if they eat a few strips of beef jerky. There is such a thing as too much water. And if you're eating enough carbs to have glycogen stores (most of modern society) you've got extra water hanging around on your body.

The reason people are disagreeing with you is not because we want to argue, butt heads or put you down. It's because you need to understand that your ideology on nutrition and the human diet is based on faulty science, actually let me take that back, it's not based on much of anything except Freelea and Durianrider. Both of whom admit to sleeping 10+ hours a day regularly. I highly recommend you do legitimate research not from any of these websites:

webmd
Mayoclinic
30bananasaday
Any vegan-exclusive health site.  

Loads of people gain weight on 30bad as well.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sTM47y6wziI

For breakfast, I usually go for, Grab of Broccoli, 2 cucumbers, an apple, some other fruits or vegetable and , small apple/grape juice (to make it more drinkable).

I could then just drink that, and then I sometimes have oatmeal, with Kefir and some apples.

For Lunch/Dinner: I cook myself a soup consisting of meat, and vegetables only, its delicious and makes me feel full.

Although its simple, it's quite hard to gain weight for people with fast metabolism, without much grains.

That's probably because humans weren't designed to be bodybuilders, thus you need to do "extra work" to gain muscle. We were meant to be lean and toned, with the females having slightly higher body fat than males and the males having slightly more muscle than the females. Most healthy food will have a "balancing" effect on the body meaning that if you're underweight, it will most likely make you gain weight and if you're overweight, it will make you lose weight. Your body is constantly trying to achieve homeostasis. We don't want to fight this balancing, we want to let it happen until we achieve an excellent state of health.

In order to bulk up, he will have to consume more protein than normal as well as more fat, otherwise a calorie deficit may occur. Protein is generally never used as a source of energy (calories) only to provide the basic materials needed to recover and rebuild the body. Fat is also often used to rebuild and repair rather than as a source of calories. Hence why you want a healthy mix of the 3 macronutrients (although carbs aren't actually necessary.)

There's plenty of high-calorie food that actually has nutrition in it. Nuts/seeds/Potatoes/sweet potatoes/avocados/coconuts/fruit/lard/butter/bone marrow/squash/beets are all calorie-dense healthy foods.

bad recs: high in fat and starchy foods, hard to digest.  high calorie foods you want to eat are fruit, bananas, apples and pears are about 100 calories each, a whole watermelon is about 1350 calories, dates are high in calories as well.

now comes the question of whether you want to keep fat or muscle as weight?  if you want to keep muscle then consume more amino acids and lift weights...notice i didn't say protein, don't eat foods high in protein, rather pick foods high in protein.  if you want to be fat or keep the fat you have, then eat fatty health foods as were the ones listened above, however i highly recommend against it

Nothing wrong with healthy fats. Fats are by far the easiest macronutrient to digest. And fats don't make you fat unless you're consuming rancid oxidized PUFAs, but they can help you maintain weight. Do more research.
Nothing wrong with starch either (especially resistant starch,) unless you have some pathogenic overgrowth. Not everyone has a candida issue. Bananas are starchy and have starch even when fully ripe, yet I still see you touting that 30Bad garbage on this board. Plenty of people go on a Paleo diet and only start to see real improvements in their health after they add a little bit of starch back in.
Coconuts and coconut-products are among some of the easiest foods to digest. So is bone marrow.
Treat fruit as a snack, not as a meal.

I like fruit but who actually wants to eat 10 apples or a WHOLE WATERMELON (wtf?) for ~1000 calories when they could replace those 1000 calories with 1000 calories worth of varied, highly-nutritious whole foods? I'm pretty laid back but if I was in the supermarket buying a shopping card full of bananas I'd feel pretty self-conscious because everyone would probably assume I'm insane. Either insane or had problems feeling full due to faulty leptin/ghrelin wiring.  

Whole foods > mono(tonous)foods.

some truth to this portion, if you dont consider mucus toxins, I consider mucus a toxin....as 55 diseases have been found to be caused by mucus build up, acne being one of them.  it necessarily isn't what you eat, its what you dont eat that actually changes you...so you are right on that

It's not just some truth, it's how your body works. Mucus also plays an important role in protecting your digestive tract:

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/15591243
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/18492562

But you're probably right, too much can't be good for you, just like too many bananas Even though this "mucoid plague" was never seen by physicians, as far as I know. It's why people have to use their common sense and just eat proper foods, and not go crazy.

"not go crazy" is subjective not objective and it is also a matter of perspective....to you it sounds crazy but then again to the people that do that diet everything else seems crazy

30 bananas a day is only crazy to sane people.

Yes, there's a method of dealing with acne that involves no needles or pain. You shouldn't pop pimples anyway unless you want your son to be left with scars, which will do a whole lot more damage to his psyche and emotional state than a few whiteheads.  

You should check out the nutrition board on this forum.

It's completely unnecessary to strive for some sort of acid/base balance in your body.

I might be able to rationalize recommending someone pay attention to this acid/alkaline balance if you could tell me what exactly it is we're trying to acidify/alkalize.
Saliva is slightly alkaline, but often the pH of your mouth and gums can be acidic. Your stomach is very acidic. Your blood is slightly basic. Your intestines vary from moderately acidic to slightly acidic to slightly alkaline. The blood in your arteries is very slightly alkaline. Your spinal fluid is generally slightly alkaline, but can also be slightly acidic. Bile begins at a pH that hovers somewhere between 7 (pH of H2O) and 2-4 once it's inside your intestines.

I don't pay attention to this acid/alkaline stuff because it's just another factor which will confuse people and may contradict with someone's journey to better health (my opinion.) People with metabolic acidosis can have abnormal pH serum levels and a normal pH in cerebrospinal fluid and GI tract. Hypochlorhydria can interrupt the signaling mechanism involved in preparing chyme for digestion which in turn can allow for the ingestion of pathogenic bacteria from food and indigestion. I wouldn't recommend people screw with their pH levels in the hopes of fixing something that their body is generally capable of doing on its own. If you have low stomach acid, taking betaine HCl can have great benefits for overall digestion but that's about the only thing I'd recommend to someone in regard to messing with your body's pH. Just focus on the overall picture of health instead of trying to isolate individual variables and hope that it's the answer you've been searching for for all these years.  

Rarely does a single macronutrient/food/food group/type of food fix all problems. Eat a healthy diet with emphasis on mineral-rich foods like meat, fish and nuts, along with green leafy veggies and you'll have a "complete" diet full of nutrition.

When you consume an imbalance of acid forming foods to alkaline forming foods, whatever acid can't be neutralized has to be stored in deposits throughout the body in order to keep our blood at it's normal ph. It's in those deposits that cells become malignant and turn cancerous.  Your body has to neutralize acids via acid-buffering minerals found in alkaline forming foods.  Basically you need more buffering mineral receptors for electrons than you need acid-forming electron donors.  Otherwise your body seeks out alkalinity from within your body and it usually comes from the calcium in your bones.  The body cannot effectively heal itself until it is slightly alkaline.  

It's way too much of a generalization to say that you need meat and nuts.  Because each variety of meat and nut has a different level of net acid yielding capabilities.  Nuts like almonds and chestnuts are alkaline forming.  Walnuts, cashews, peanuts...all high acid yielding.  Chicken breast is about the only meat that is debatably neutral.  Red meat has a high acid yield.  Granted how you prepare these meats and nuts, as in cooked or raw, and how they are raised or grown can alter how acid forming they are.  Whole grains=high acid yield.  

This is all about balance.  You don't have to completely eliminate every acid forming food from your diet.  But it's important to keep a balanced ratio.  



http://www.naturalhe...lkalinediet.pdf

http://www.ithacachi...ds-in-Your-Diet

http://massagemag.co...thy-ph-balance/

I understand the acid/base issue just fine and I still think it's mostly a load of crock.
Acids are utilized and created by the body for a variety of purposes. In fact, I'd go as far as to say your body (including your skin) prefers acidic things over alkaline compounds. Many alkaline compounds are hepatotoxic. Lactic acid/acetic acid/butyric acid are all acids that have very significant healing and anti-inflammatory properties. They can be consumed from certain foods and they can also be produced by certain strains of bacteria and yeasts in our intestinal tract. I will continue consuming these acid-containing and acid-producing foods and ignoring this acid/base balance because it seems like a lot of added (unnecessary) stress.  

If you have no digestive issues, resistant starches found in certain seeds, grains and legumes can be beneficial because they are highly fermentable and in turn produce butyric acid inside your body. This is part of the reason why we consume well-prepared seeds and grains - if we can mitigate the damaging (to humans, not to the plant) substances inside the seed, we can derive a great deal of benefit from them. Even phytic acid which binds to minerals has anti-cancer properties. (Part of the reason why I don't believe being "acidic" causes cancer.)    

Acids aren't just "stored" in the body like fat. You breathe out CO2, which lo and behold decreases your body's pH. Urine pH can vary greatly but it's another way of removing acidic compounds and alkaloids from the body. Many more acids are used as various factors in countless reactions in the human body. Acids and alkaline compounds in the body have a very short lifespan and usually end up being utilized for one thing or another pretty fast.

I guarantee you that there are health-conscious people on this board and elsewhere, who will take the acid/base balance to the extreme and soon learn they have a new unhealthy obsession with whether or not their body is acidic or alkaline enough. I can just see it now: "Hi I've been eating a 93% alkaline diet and the 7% acidity is coming from grass-fed pastured meat. I'm still breaking out. Will decreasing my acidity to 6.5% stop my breakouts and fix all of my health problems? Anyone tried ashwaghanda supplementation? I've heard that taking ashwaghanda can increase the body's alkalinity by 2% if taken for a month."  

I looked at the links you provided and found something interesting. Supposedly if I alkalize my body, I can get rid of all these problems:
Cardiovascular damage
Weight gain, obesity and diabetes
Bladder conditions
Kidney stones
Immune deficiency
Acceleration of free radical damage
Hormonal problems
Premature aging
Osteoporosis and joint pain
Aching muscles and lactic acid buildup
Low energy and chronic fatigue Slow digestion and elimination
Yeast/fungal overgrowth
Lack of energy and fatigue
Lower body temperature
Tendency to get infections
Loss of drive, joy, and enthusiasm
Depressive tendencies
Easily stressed
Pale complexion
Headaches
Inflammation of the corneas and eyelids Loose and painful teeth
Inflamed, sensitive gums
Mouth and stomach ulcers
Cracks at the corners of the lips
Excess stomach acid
Gastritis
Nails are thin and split easily
Hair looks dull, has split ends, and falls out
Dry skin
Skin easily irritated
Leg cramps and spasms
I can't believe I didn't know about this acid/base thing sooner. I could have fixed all of my health problems by eating a carton of baking soda (a great alkalizing food, just don't eat the actual cardboard of the carton because it's too acidic.) The lactic acid-tired muscle connection has been debunked. Leg cramps and spasms are usually a very clear sign of magnesium deficiency.

Focusing on acid/alkaline balance is mostly a waste of time because the same diet that will make you healthy is the same diet that will automatically fix this supposed "acid issue."  Why add more stress and potential restriction to your diet? A complete diet, composed of varied nutrition from high-quality whole foods will fix the problems on that list. Also drinking water and deep-breathing exercises help.

It's completely unnecessary to strive for some sort of acid/base balance in your body.

I might be able to rationalize recommending someone pay attention to this acid/alkaline balance if you could tell me what exactly it is we're trying to acidify/alkalize.
Saliva is slightly alkaline, but often the pH of your mouth and gums can be acidic. Your stomach is very acidic. Your blood is slightly basic. Your intestines vary from moderately acidic to slightly acidic to slightly alkaline. The blood in your arteries is very slightly alkaline. Your spinal fluid is generally slightly alkaline, but can also be slightly acidic. Bile begins at a pH that hovers somewhere between 7 (pH of H2O) and 2-4 once it's inside your intestines.

I don't pay attention to this acid/alkaline stuff because it's just another factor which will confuse people and may contradict with someone's journey to better health (my opinion.) People with metabolic acidosis can have abnormal pH serum levels and a normal pH in cerebrospinal fluid and GI tract. Hypochlorhydria can interrupt the signaling mechanism involved in preparing chyme for digestion which in turn can allow for the ingestion of pathogenic bacteria from food and indigestion. I wouldn't recommend people screw with their pH levels in the hopes of fixing something that their body is generally capable of doing on its own. If you have low stomach acid, taking betaine HCl can have great benefits for overall digestion but that's about the only thing I'd recommend to someone in regard to messing with your body's pH. Just focus on the overall picture of health instead of trying to isolate individual variables and hope that it's the answer you've been searching for for all these years.  

Rarely does a single macronutrient/food/food group/type of food fix all problems. Eat a healthy diet with emphasis on mineral-rich foods like meat, fish and nuts, along with green leafy veggies and you'll have a "complete" diet full of nutrition.

Why do you need to make an excuse for eating healthy?

This is what's wrong with today's society. People who are trying to better their health are bizarre because our less-informed peers have dysfunctional intestines and by extension screwed up brains and so they think "OMG I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT BREAD I NEED THOSE OXIDIZED OMEGA-6S TO GO RIGHT TO MY THIGHS."

You don't need to make any excuse for trying to eat healthy because there's nothing wrong with trying to better yourself.

But if someone was to ask you to explain your rationale about health, you should. It may help them in the future or at least inspire them to make positive changes in their diet, even if it's a small change.

dairy doesnt spike insulin???  i think you need to research that a little more dude.  dairy spikes insulin the most of any food.  it has a low glycemic index though.

Read it again, the keyword was "doesn't spike insuline much" I never said it didn't, thing is, drinking dairy won't be much of a problem since it has small effect compared to other carbs. It's the other stuff in dairy not the sugar that is causing acne, which was my point.

read what i said again, dairy is one of the most insulin spiking foods there are. regardless if it causes acne or not.  I believe its actually the protein that makes it this way.  I have no idea where your getting the idea its not unless your following the glycemic index of dairy products

Why not try a natural form of a topical retinoid (not Retin-A.) ?

Or better yet - exhaust all possible natural methods of healing before moving onto something so drastic as Accutane.

I have tried all topicals.  acne is definitely an internal problem more than a topical one.

I have exhausted all possible methods.

I assure you, you haven't.
Stick with the natural approach.