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Zinc decreases DHT by inhibiting (reducing or stopping) 5 alpha-reductase, an enzyme which is responsible for converting Testosterone (and other hormones as far as I know, but the science on that is not as well-researched from what I've been able to find) into the more potent DHT. DHT = bad testosterone, DHT causes prostate issues in men and also hair loss.    

 

That study is an anomaly. You know how 9 in 10 Dentists recommend Colgate toothpaste? This study is that 10th dentist. 

 

Ok, that's a bad example because Colgate sucks. But you get my point.

If you get quail eggs or duck eggs, the egg whites don't have Avidin (the protein in egg whites that many people have issues with.) 

 

You can purchase quail or duck eggs in Asian/Indian groceries. You might be able to find them in health food stores, but I've never personally seen them. The only place I've been able to get them is an Asian market. 

 

 

First of all, don't react so severely to just 1 pimple. You could potentially be causing your child self-esteem issues. 

 

Although I do think it's best to remove junk food from your child's diet, you don't want to do it in a manner that will cause them to rebel. I wish you luck. It's good that you're nipping this in the bud early.

I had oily skin all throughout my teenage years which decreased when I cut out soy from my diet

 

I eat a lot of butter, because I have found a high-quality brand I like that I can purchase in bulk for cheap. My skin has not gotten more oily from eating substantial amounts of butter. I believe soy + high-carb diets are a far more common "trigger" for oily skin. 

I know this thread was started in regards to whether or not humans were designed to eat meat and...i'm not touching that with a 100 foot pole.  But the real issue in this country is most people eat a main course of meat with a side of vegetables, if they even have vegetables.  And it should be the other way around.

I haven't yet completely eliminated meat, but I eat it maybe a couple times a week and in a very small portion.  I'm wondering if there is anything offered in meat that can't be found via other sources of nutrition. Can't you find adequate proteins and fats in vegetables/seeds?  And aren't they healthier fats/proteins anyway? I think you'd need to be aware of how to compensate adequately of course. These are mostly rhetorical questions, but i'm honestly interested if someone has a stat that shows a vital nutrient, of which we need in order to survive, that can't be found anywhere except for meat

Also let's not forget eggs. They come from an animal, but aren't meat.  I eat a good deal of raw eggs, and have recently switched to eating only the yolks raw and egg whites lightly poached. I guess the egg whites have an anti-nutrient that is destroyed at around 120 degrees, so that's the reason for poaching them.  But anyway, for anyone who has tried a vegetarian diet and felt worse on it, were you getting the same amount of fats and proteins through vegetables while on it?  Also you'd think there would be a period where you did feel worse, because your body is adjusting to the new diet, and that adjustment period could be different from person to person.  And if you are eating a very small amount of meat anyway, and then switch to a vegetarian diet...i'm wondering why this would cause anyone to feel worse.  I don't think it's a drastic enough of an adjustment to cause any real physical or mental strain.  Just some things to think about when considering eliminating meat (which again, i still haven't done completely)

there is nothing in meat that you cant get in a plant based diet.  the protein in meat is not as optimal as raw plant based proteins, why you ask.  they are quickly digested and assimilated into the blood.  unlike plant based protein, animal protein has to be broken down, anything cooked that gets denatured has to be broken down, this takes energy from your body to create new enzymes to do this process.  as the enzymes go to work it takes much longer, in raw plants the food already contains the protein as enzymes and amino acids, they are already broken down, your body saves energy and does not have to create new enzymes to break them down.  hemp seeds (protein powder), chia seeds, yellow pea protein, and brown rice protein is where its at.  you can eat these raw (rice sprouted) or you can get them in easily to use protein powders.

eggs arent terrible, they do however contain more cholesterol than one would think.

Are chicken eggs good or bad for my cholesterol?

Answer

from Thomas Behrenbeck, M.D., Ph.D.

Chicken eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to high blood cholesterol levels. However, how much the cholesterol in your diet can increase your blood cholesterol varies from person to person. Although eating too many eggs can increase your cholesterol, eating four egg yolks or fewer on a weekly basis hasn't been found to increase your risk of heart disease.
When deciding whether to include eggs in your diet, consider the recommended daily limits on cholesterol in your food:

• If you are healthy, it's recommended that you limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 300 milligrams (mg) a day.
• If you have cardiovascular disease, diabetes or a high low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") blood cholesterol level, you should limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 200 mg a day.

One large egg has about 186 mg of cholesterol — all of which is found in the yolk. Therefore, if you eat an egg on a given day, it's important to limit other sources of cholesterol for the rest of that day. Consider substituting servings of vegetables for servings of meat, or avoid high-fat dairy products for that day.

Eggs don't affect cholesterol levels negatively. That's not how you get high cholesterol.

You can't get Vitamin A from plants.
Or cholesterol (this is a nutrient. It's found all over your body.)
Or saturated fat (most of the fat in your body is saturated. A small amount is MUFA. A negligible amount is PUFA.)
Omega-3s (ALA isn't useful to anyone except VERY healthy females. And even then, seafood will always be superior.)
Or easily absorbed protein.
Or CLA (found in grass-fed butter and meats.)
Or Beta-Alanine.
Or Carnosine.
Zinc in significant amounts is also not found in plant foods.
Heme-Iron
Or Creatine.
Or B12.
Carnitine exists in some plants, but in negligible amounts. animal foods are the only viable sources of carnitine.

I'm sure I'm missing some stuff.

Animal protein is superior. You measure protein absorption through bioavailability, not some mumbo jumbo psuedoscience raw enzyme wizard. Bioavailability states that animal proteins are easier absorbed than plant protein.  

Life is death. Life springs from death, everywhere and always. You cannot live without something dying to make it all possible. Grain heavy vegan diets require the destruction of ecosystems and all their inhabitants; meat heavy Primal diets require the slaughter of a pig or a cow. If you’re going to exist in this world, you have to accept the fact that things will die. Oh, and things won’t just die; they’ll die to ensure your survival. You, me, all of us have blood on our hands. Your pets have blood on their paws.

Right, but the difference is animals have brains, whereas plants don't.  Plants regrow, and animals reproduce.  But again, the difference is that what raw foodists/vegetarians eat can be replenished through farming and in nature without taking the life of a conscious being. It's one of the beautiful things that happen on this earth, concerning vegetation and it's ability to regrow.  

As for the studies and or opinions, this could go back and forth all day.  Again, what is the vital nutrient that can only be found in meat that we need in order to survive?  I'm not trying to push anyone into a raw food diet.  If you eat meat in moderation, i'm confident you will be just fine.  It's all about your life habits and balancing what you eat.  But if there is no need to eat meat, because you can find what you need through plant based foods, i'm not going to do it.  I've felt much healthier since limiting my meat intake to almost nil, and am anxious to see the results of completely replacing it with other nutrient dense, plant based foods

Vegetarianism encourages agricultural biocide and stripping the land of all life. It also encourages world hunger.
If you want to stop world hunger, stop buying subsidized crops and CAFO meat and buy only grass-fed.

thanks for your opinion on the matter, although i highly disagree with everything you just stated, it is out there.  all sides of the argument, search it and youll find anything.  check out horticulture, not even water is needed to grow plants, its called compost, plants can actually thrive on their own compost, no stripping of the land is needed.  i have been using my juicing compost as plant feed and they have thrived for years off of it. there is no offsets.

as far as your nutrition from plants is concerned, i guess monks are all poor in health and die from all those deficiencies every year....poor monks...

biocide is really a matter of population, growth, and DEFORESTATION, carbon cycle much?  nitrogen cycle much?  phosphorus cycle much?  learn a few things before you jump on a band wagon.

You're completely free to disagree and watch your health decline gradually. I don't care to convert anyone to a whole foods diet if they would prefer to remain willingly ignorant of basic nutritional facts. However, there are certain things you can't dispute in this world because they are facts, not a matter of opinion. The color red will always be the color red, and even when you look at it in different lighting, it may look different, but it's still always red. N=1.
Plant foods are lacking in full nutrition. Please don't mislead those trying to fix their acne.

If you disagree with what I said, offer up some evidence to the contrary (not from raw vegan websites that are trying to make you pay for membership costs/supplements.) Can you show me a plant with Vitamin A (not beta carotene) or creatine or significant quantities of zinc/b12/cholesterol/etc. everything I listed?

The only plant you could show me that might contradict what I said is 'coconut,' which is the most saturated fat on this planet (it's obvious why coconut is also the healthiest fruit on the planet too, because of the saturated fat.)
There are also plants with phytosterols such as 'saw palmetto,' which is like the plant equivalent of cholesterol (but we're not plants.) Some plants have a membrane made of negligible amounts of cholesterol. My point still stands.

If you took 5 seconds to read the scientific literature, you'd realize that no way in hell were people designed to be vegans. Veganism is a starvation diet and even the SAD-promoting government (not just the US government) realizes that feeding a child a vegan diet = child abuse.

These are not my opinions, these are facts. And most of it is common sense too.

A degree does not ensure you understand human nutrition, or human biology or even human anatomy (so many people who are otherwise knowledgable in nutrition or biology don't understand how the human body is laid out and the function of basic organs. There's lots of saturated fat around your heart for example, this is not a bad thing and it's supposed to be there.) If you build a house on a shaky foundation, it will collapse.