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In Topic: The Big Hormone Post For Both Men And Women

06 September 2013 - 02:27 PM

 

I posted the study that shows Accutane reduces testosterone in the research board. You can find it if you wish. I'm on a phone and can't find anything after the mods reorganized the forums.

You can also search for the green tea study that shows it increases DHT by 194% and testosterone by 74%. If you want the flavonoids from green tea there are more potent sources of flavonoids without caffeine.

do u mean that for even if taken in moderation & for those without any auto-immune disorder/caffeine intolerance?

also, isn't a lil' caffeine suppose to be good(if one isn't intolerant)?

 

The study used moderate consumption in normal people without auto-immune disorders or "caffeine intolerance", whatever that is. 

 

Look, caffeine stimulates the wrong types of hormones for acne sufferers. There are no real health benefits to caffeine. It's a stimulant that people use to cope with sleep deprivation or just to get a small high. Green tea itself has flavonoids, yes, which you can easily get from other caffeine-free sources.

 

It's kind of like how wine is touted as a source of antioxidants. Sure. You can also get more antioxidants from GRAPE JUICE...but no one wants to say that, because it's nice to think that you should get a nice buzz every evening 'cause you're getting your antioxidants too tongue.png



 

I posted the study that shows Accutane reduces testosterone in the research board. You can find it if you wish. I'm on a phone and can't find anything after the mods reorganized the forums.

You can also search for the green tea study that shows it increases DHT by 194% and testosterone by 74%. If you want the flavonoids from green tea there are more potent sources of flavonoids without caffeine.

 

Hi Green Gables, 

I'm technically new to acne.org but have been an avid reader for many years, trying in vain to cure the acne I've had for the previous 10 years (23yearsold). Ive been to dermatologist after dermatologist and tried countless tablets and pills including antiobiotics (damn doctors) and the pill.. my last derm appointment resulted in tears and me walking out as the man had no inclination to even hear me about a hormonal imbalance that I'm sure I have, saying 'hormones fluctuate, its a myth' and simply insisting my last resort was accutane and id I didn't take i'd be left with this disease for the rest of my life. *cue the tears of anger and me walking out*..

anyway, since then I've been researching and researching what could be going on inside and am sure I have a hormonal imbalance. I started taking Dim about six months ago now and have seen huge improvements in my PMS acne, instead of cystic, raw acne along my jawline and chin I now suffer with a moderate outbreak in this area a week or so before. Due to timing and educating myself through numerous of your posts about hormonal acne, I believe I have low progesterone? Does this sound about right or am I on the wrong track do you think? Im definitely thinking of adding saw palmetto to the dim and zinc I take smile.png. Should I look at a progesterone cream too or stick to two types of DHT inhibitors?

All the research can be incredibly overwhelming but I'm gradually making my way through your posts and connecting the dots smile.png id love to be able to go back to that derm and show I don't need accutane to be clear smile.png 
Sorry for rambling & also for the quoting of the previous comment, not sure of how this all works just yet smile.png

 

DIM does 3 major things:

 

1) Speeds up your estrogen metabolism.

2) Increases "good" estrogen metabolites (2-hydroxy estrogens) and reduces "bad" estrogen metabolites (16-hydroxy estrogens)

3) Increases free testosterone in the body. Now, this may seem like a bit of a contradiction. Remember that hormones are either "bound" to a protein or circulating freely. What happens is when you speed up estrogen metabolism, it releases some testosterone off of proteins so it becomes "free" testosterone. So it doesn't increase the amount of testosterone, but it does change the proportion of bound/free testosterone.This is why DIM can be either good or bad, depending on what is going on in your body. If you found improvement on it, by all means continue it, though. But you should be educated on what DIM is doing. smile.png

 

In general, especially for females, I recommend trying anti-androgens before progesterone. Like DIM, progesterone can be a double-edged sword. If your progesterone is too low, you will have acne. However, if your progesterone is too high, you will also create acne. However reducing testosterone through anti-androgens hardly ever makes acne worse, and usually clears your skin. I would try anti-androgens (along with the DIM, since it improved you) for several months. If you don't see noticeable improvement, then I would look into progesterone.

 

 

 

 Thankyou for responding to such a rambling post :) 

 

 Ahh, this does make sense to me, before taking DIM I was plagued with all round all over breakouts, whereas now I just reallly get a bad breakout a week or so before and its usually around my chin and jawline, which Im guessing might be something to do with the increase of free testosterone, caused by the DIM, roaming around causing chaos as well as the monthly hormonal changes. Im just guessing though. 

 

 I've been taking Saw Palmetto for the past five or so days, so I'll see how that goes for the next 5-6 months. I might add another anti-androgen in a months or so and see what happens.

 

 I saw your post about DIM breaking you out after being clear for soo long, thats sad :( though at least you know you can rely on Spiro to keep your hormones in check :) 


In Topic: The Big Hormone Post For Both Men And Women

01 September 2013 - 04:03 PM

I posted the study that shows Accutane reduces testosterone in the research board. You can find it if you wish. I'm on a phone and can't find anything after the mods reorganized the forums.

You can also search for the green tea study that shows it increases DHT by 194% and testosterone by 74%. If you want the flavonoids from green tea there are more potent sources of flavonoids without caffeine.

 

Hi Green Gables, 

I'm technically new to acne.org but have been an avid reader for many years, trying in vain to cure the acne I've had for the previous 10 years (23yearsold). Ive been to dermatologist after dermatologist and tried countless tablets and pills including antiobiotics (damn doctors) and the pill.. my last derm appointment resulted in tears and me walking out as the man had no inclination to even hear me about a hormonal imbalance that I'm sure I have, saying 'hormones fluctuate, its a myth' and simply insisting my last resort was accutane and id I didn't take i'd be left with this disease for the rest of my life. *cue the tears of anger and me walking out*..

anyway, since then I've been researching and researching what could be going on inside and am sure I have a hormonal imbalance. I started taking Dim about six months ago now and have seen huge improvements in my PMS acne, instead of cystic, raw acne along my jawline and chin I now suffer with a moderate outbreak in this area a week or so before. Due to timing and educating myself through numerous of your posts about hormonal acne, I believe I have low progesterone? Does this sound about right or am I on the wrong track do you think? Im definitely thinking of adding saw palmetto to the dim and zinc I take smile.png. Should I look at a progesterone cream too or stick to two types of DHT inhibitors?

All the research can be incredibly overwhelming but I'm gradually making my way through your posts and connecting the dots smile.png id love to be able to go back to that derm and show I don't need accutane to be clear smile.png 
Sorry for rambling & also for the quoting of the previous comment, not sure of how this all works just yet :) 


In Topic: The Big Hormone Post For Both Men And Women

01 September 2013 - 10:26 AM

Hi Green Gables,

I'm technically new to acne.org but have been an avid reader for many years, trying in vain to cure the acne I've had for the previous 10 years (23yearsold). Ive been to dermatologist after dermatologist and tried countless tablets and pills including antiobiotics (damn doctors) and the pill.. my last derm appointment resulted in tears and me walking out as the man had no inclination to even hear me about a hormonal imbalance that I'm sure I have, saying 'hormones fluctuate, its a myth' and simply insisting my last resort was accutane and id I didn't take i'd be left with this disease for the rest of my life. *cue the tears of anger and me walking out*..

anyway, since then I've been researching and researching what could be going on inside and am sure I have a hormonal imbalance. I started taking Dim about six months ago now and have seen huge improvements in my PMS acne, instead of cystic, raw acne along my jawline and chin I now suffer with a moderate outbreak in this area a week or so before. Due to timing and educating myself through numerous of your posts about hormonal acne, I believe I have low progesterone? Does this sound about right or am I on the wrong track do you think? Im definitely thinking of adding saw palmetto to the dim and zinc I take :). Should I look at a progesterone cream too or stick to two types of DHT inhibitors?

All the research can be incredibly overwhelming but I'm gradually making my way through your posts and connecting the dots :) id love to be able to go back to that derm and show I don't need accutane to be clear :)
Sorry for rambling.