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Miko Yan

Member Since 16 Sep 2012
Offline Last Active Sep 29 2013 07:45 PM

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In Topic: Daily 30 Minute Massages On Face Eradicates Scars?

21 August 2013 - 08:54 PM

So far after 1 month no change.

 

could you tell us about the technique you've employed? i've been doing massages since mid May and i'm certain i've gotten at least 20% long term improvement over the area i treated.

 

I've taken a rather extreme approach compared to aquasea's methods; that is massaging everyday with a %0.05 tretinoin cream up until the point that my skin is just about to bleed as a result of mechanical abrasion. no oils, no mosturizers, just leaving the tretinoin overnight. timing varies from 10-70 minutes depending on how vigorous you are (i don't think that matters much). I don't recommend this unless your skin is used to retinoids (5 months at least; ive been on %0.05 tretinoin for more than 2 years).


In Topic: Sever Body Acne Scars, Follicular Atrophy, Perifollicular Elastolsysis. Venti...

16 July 2013 - 08:30 PM

Severe, disfiguring scarring? oh please..  I mean, there is scarring (unlike other posters calling open pores gaping holes) , but do you expect ANY user to agree with you? of course not, that's why you managed to post those pictures. People with truly disfiguring acne scarring VERY rarely post pictures of themselves because they can't even handle the idea of pictures of their bodies being taken, let alone uploading them to the internet for everyone to see. There are many, many people with disfigurements, but pictures of them are very hard to come by, and most of the time belong to medical papers more than public internet forums.

 

Anyway, acne body scars can be flattened with steroid injections (risky) and then tattooing over the hypopigmented area with surrounding skin color. Of course, tanning is out of the question if you don't want to look worse than before so it is up to you.

Sadly, body acne scars are more difficult to treat than "classical" facial acne scars, which are by themselves nigh-impossible to perceivably remove


In Topic: Truth Revealed On Laser For Acne Scars**must Read***

28 June 2013 - 09:27 PM

AFR = co2, NAFR = erbium"

 

So ~40% improvement - which in my opinion is reasonable.

 

There is a problem on how exactly they measure the amount of improvement:

 

"The only objective tool is the software based on an optical profiling system (Primos Imaging; GFM; Tetlow, Germany), which allows high-resolution topographical imaging of cutaneous scars and calculation of quantitative volumetric and depth changes in atrophic scar volumes before and after treatment. This has been used only in two studies and one of them did not study acne scars All the other studies use either a patient or observer-dependent quartile scoring which is not an accurate indicator of acne scars improvement. The use of photography is also meaningless as it is again assessed by a quartile or self-devised scoring pattern by an investigator wherein the assessment of the depth of the scar is impossible."

 

This is the study that covered acne scars: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19226575

 

But I couldn't find the topographical tool mentioned anywhere (it says: "according to study investigator quartile improvement scoring").

 

Now just before the paragraph i quoted before it is written:

 

"The third study that subclassified the scar types used a quartile scale and reported patient assessment which is always superior to the physician assessment and thus has less validity."

 

That third study is the table you posted in your topic: http://www.acne.org/...-study-results/


In Topic: Truth Revealed On Laser For Acne Scars**must Read***

27 June 2013 - 08:43 PM

This paper doesn't seem to portrait lasers in a favorable light:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3461801/

 

If it's hard to understand (for the non scientist/statistician) just jump to the conclusions. Here I quote some words:

 

"We have reliably shown that the results of the different studies are not as dramatic even by using subjective or objective analysis. Probably, the acne scars have a ‘memory’ which is difficult to change by fractional lasers."


In Topic: Daily 30 Minute Massages On Face Eradicates Scars?

23 June 2013 - 02:56 PM

Sorry i havent been able to go to this site for days. Trying to enjoy my life despite this acne and scars. Anyways, it's been days since i read that story but im pretty sure you guys will be able to find it on google. Just type, facial massag ruined my face. You'll eventually find some. Because i always search the negative together with the positive. But anyways, im excited to try this massage! I agree with Aquasea. TRY IT ONLY and ALWAYS listen to your face ans skin! Stop if there is negative effects immidiately!

 

Thanks for your input. There are indeed negative reports of facial massaging, but i think most of them are coming from a "Carole Maggio's facercise" program which doesn't seem suitable for just scars. In any case, the positive effects of facial massages in general seem to overwhelmingly outweigh the negative ones surprised.gif

 

I wish i could afford those serums you suggest aquasea, but I'm a broke college student at the moment, and shippings to Mexico are not cheap blush.png